Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[PsychoIncarnate]

Would this affect Geno in any way if the fan polls aren't being factored into the picks they made? I am not exactly sure how to interpret his wording.

The only poll Nintendo care about is the official one

 

[Datboigeno]

You guys saw this I'm assuming, right? https://www.inverse.com/article/508...reggie-fils-aime-nintendo-not-taking-requests

Reggie said "no fan-made poll trying to push Waluigi, as an example, will not influence the decisions that have already been made."

It's interesting that Reggie makes it seems as though the no poll thing was a Sakurai decision with this quote:

“I haven’t talked to him,” he said, “but I believe he was working hard to communicate two things: One, that the characters have been decided on. Second, that he is well in development on this, so please be patient.”

Nothing about Nintendo making the decisions which is what Sakurai also communicated with the tweet. I really wonder why they went a full 180 on using a ballot for DLC after the last one seemed so popular. I really do wonder now if the ballot was less for Smash 4 DLC and more for both newcomers and DLC for what became SSBU. Especially considering decisions on the DLC seem to have begun back in 2015.

 

[Rummy]

You guys saw this I'm assuming, right? https://www.inverse.com/article/508...reggie-fils-aime-nintendo-not-taking-requests

Reggie said "no fan-made poll trying to push Waluigi, as an example, will not influence the decisions that have already been made."

It only makes me think the Ballot was actually meant for Ultimate more than 4's DLC.

 

[FalconFire93]

Well, since LGPE is out today as of 12:01 a.m. EST, I’m gonna be playing that to pass the time until Smash Ultimate releases

But here’s a song for all of us that still have hope for our Starsend Savior:

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

It's actually kind of funny.

During Smash 4 we had the ballot and it felt like our choices mattered.

Now we're being told no matter what we do it won't affect the end.

We moved from Undertale to Delta Rune irl

 

[CrunchyCHEEZIT]

the ballot obviously counted for something regarding Ultimate. I'd wager the decision to add in King K. Rool (and maybe to a lesser extent Ridley) was influenced by the data they got the ballot. It was really more of Sakurai's way to gauge what the fans want and factor that in to the usual variables that go into making a character for Smash - how they'll work, what hoops they'll have to go through to bring them in if they're third-party, etc.

reggie makes me think that the ballot isn't really what Nintendo themselves are looking that for their list so a lot of the major fan picks are probably out the window as long as Nintendo is managing DLC. of course, anything can happen.

 

[Deleted member]

I think this was entirely to confirm no more Waluigi. I don't think this at all affects Geno's chances, since Vergeben said we are getting a SE rep, and Geno is obviously the best choice. This may have even increased Geno's chances, since Sakurai makes weird decisions. Geno was always very likely imo

 

[FunAtParties]

It's actually kind of funny.

During Smash 4 we had the ballot and it felt like our choices mattered.

Now we're being told no matter what we do it won't affect the end.

We moved from Undertale to Delta Rune irl

Yo man without this support, we would've never gotten that sweet Geno spirit, so our support clearly mattered in the end

 

[Asxin]

It's actually kind of funny.

During Smash 4 we had the ballot and it felt like our choices mattered.

Now we're being told no matter what we do it won't affect the end.

We moved from Undertale to Delta Rune irl

Because with the ballot, we knew Geno was highly demand by many of us, so we didn't give up and keep encouraging each other to stay in hope.

The ballot might not effert the Nintendo, but it bring us together, isn't it?

 

[ZelDan]

Yo man without this support, we would've never gotten that sweet Geno spirit, so our support clearly mattered in the end

I think you meant that sweet geno icon. Which is even better!

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

It's interesting that Reggie makes it seems as though the no poll thing was a Sakurai decision with this quote:

“I haven’t talked to him,” he said, “but I believe he was working hard to communicate two things: One, that the characters have been decided on. Second, that he is well in development on this, so please be patient.”

Nothing about Nintendo making the decisions which is what Sakurai also communicated with the tweet. I really wonder why they went a full 180 on using a ballot for DLC after the last one seemed so popular. I really do wonder now if the ballot was less for Smash 4 DLC and more for both newcomers and DLC for what became SSBU. Especially considering decisions on the DLC seem to have begun back in 2015.

It is clear that the ballot was made to decide Ultimate's newcomers. I'm certain that King K. Rool won the ballot because of what Sakurai said, "I referred to the Smash Ballot when selecting characters this time, and King K. Rool from the Donkey Kong series was one who received a ton of votes."

Source: https://www.sourcegaming.info/2018/...smash-direct-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-561/

 

[Lime3037]

I think "Everyoneis here!" was also a result of the ballot. He even said Snake was "back by popular demand" at E3.
Also, the 8/8 direct called Dark Samus and Chrom highly requested, no doubt because of the ballot. You can't tell me, "BUT Dark Samus was an AT and Chrom was a Final Smash!" stopped people from voting for them. I guarantee you people voted for Ridley, too, despite him being a stage boss.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Would this affect Geno in any way if the fan polls aren't being factored into the picks they made? I am not exactly sure how to interpret his wording.

No, they're only ignoring the fan polls. Geno AND King K. Rool got a Mii costume, so it's clear they both received a lot of votes in the official Smash 4 DLC ballot... it makes me wonder if that splash screen on Geno meant that he was in the top 5 for the ballot, but I think either King K. Rool or Geno won #1 in the Smash 4 DLC ballot. The only ballot that matters to Nintendo is the official one. Also, if it ended in 2015, that's interesting because a senior artist did say SMRPG was a topic being discussed at Nintendo during that time. Hmm, makes me wonder if Geno was in discussion for Smash Ultimate's roster at the time, but he was possibly pushed back to DLC because Square only likes having their characters as DLC; I believe this is why Geno couldn't make it in Brawl, only because Square was still bitter with Nintendo at the time, AND because Brawl didn't have any DLC.

Bayonetta and Cloud didn't win the ballot, they were already planned for Smash 4's DLC. So it's quite clear that the ballot was made to decide newcomers for future Smash games.

 

[Giga Kaiju]

Damn. Guys, you guys are talking about Sora's chances way more than Geno's or how his thread on Smashboards, like at all.

The talk might be too much...

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[Dr. Robotnik]

Not to go to far back cause I was off for 2 days, but its interesting that everyone is trying to apply context to sakurai's tweet with Vergaben, when in fact it could just be a reference in general. Honestly when I thought in reverse, it was referring to Prince of Persia, which I believe now is owned by Ubisoft and a confirmed part in ultimate.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Catching up on the past few pages, and I don’t know what to make of your ideas on the Sora vs Geno thing. A lot of people are making way too lofty claims for our little puppet, and I hate seeing that because that gives way too many people who dislike us ammo for their “Geno fans are crazy” narratives.

There won’t be some massive uproar if he isn’t made playable, we’ll get a similar to Isaac situation with probably less sympathy than that in all honesty. We’re the most popular community with probably the greatest backlash as is, so people are consistently gunning for us to not get our character in. I’d love to be able to scream validation from my lungs like everyone here, but you can’t deny there’s a decent number of people who’d be spitefully delighted in our failure to receive him as DLC. So, again, Isaac levels of sympathy at best as a request who didn’t make it in.

Then there’s this whole, well, which fan base is going to generate hype for Smash? Sure, Sora hasn’t done super well on the polls we have, but again, I don’t think that matters. As people who post on Smash websites, we’re still just a fraction of the fan base, and probably not a huge one at that. I have friends who already ask, who could they possibly even add? Kingdom Hearts crossover is something that goes way beyond the Smash community, and I’d argue it actually has a pretty decent crossover in terms of fans.

But the most damning thing that comes to mind is the headlines. Which one would get more PR, more coverage, appeal to people beyond us?:

“Nintendo finally includes fan favorite Geno after 10 years”

Or

“Smash Bros x Kingdom Hearts is Happening”

Sure, the fan favorite sounds good on paper, and will likely get some positive reception much like King K Rool did (though probably less seeing as his status in the community).

But that one little X in the other one makes all the difference I think. You’re expanding the crossover to a new level, adding in another completely unlikely franchise, and the games media would eat that up I guarantee. Especially in relation to the timing of Kingdom Hearts III. And I’ll remind you Cloud got in with basically no future of Final Fantasy at sight during the time. That’s a good storm of media coverage right there.

Is Geno the easier inclusion with his rights already available to Smash? Sure. Is he the cheaper option? Probably, though we actually don’t know how difficult Sora would be in terms of cost no matter how we slice it.

But would he generate the better reception? I doubt it. We’ve done a lot to get his name into the mainstream as persistent fans, but Kingdom Hearts has 9 games and the biggest one so far about to release. Versus one humble old character from later in Super Mario RPG. That’s a massive divide in exposure no matter how you approach it, and if we get a Kingdom Hearts game on Switch in any form, than things are made even more complicated.

Again, Geno might be the better pick financially as he doesn’t require as many hoops, but Sora is the bigger deal to the gaming community at large by far. The fact that Geno is even in this discussion at all is more a testament to our love and support than anything else. We managed to put him up against Dragon Quest and Kingdom Hearts, two absolute titans of gaming. That’s impressive in its own right, but that still doesn’t mean we speak for the collective of the Smash community in demanding him, nor does it necessarily mean him being passed over for those other characters (as unlikely as it may or may not be) is a giant snub and disgrace to that same whole Smash community.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I already covered this extensively yesterday but Sora in Smash doesn't have "legs." Nintendo and Sakurai have repeatedly talked about how a giant part of the Smash Bros is getting people into franchises they ordinarily wouldn't know/be interested in. In other words, promote other Nintendo products or at least games on Nintendo platforms. Sora's a dead end and his benefits begin and end with Ultimate. Look at Sonic. Look at Megaman. Look at Final Fantasy. New and old games on Nintendo platforms. Exclusives on Nintendo platforms. There's no long term investment prospects aside from maybe ports for Switch which would still probably be at least a year and a half off. You might as well have someone like Kratos from God of War or Dante from Devil May Cry because it's pretty much the same issue.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

Hey look Nintendo being dip***** to fan requests again! What a stunner!

 

[Fatmanonice]

Guys... Nintendo was referrencing the 2000 Melee poll through 2008 and the 2006 Brawl poll through 2015. Can you all, I dunno, chill? As evidenced here and elsewhere, fan demands haven't changed that significantly since 2015. I think people are grossly understating how much mileage those polls get.

 

[RingJ5]

A really important aspect of all this that I think a lot of people are overlooking is that Nintendo not only has individual DLC to sell, they have a Fighters Pass. This time, the first character revealed is especially important, as it will set the tone for the rest of the content.

And quite simply, Sora and DQ won’t sell a Fighters Pass remotely as well as Geno will. I am in no way denying that their singular $5.99 DLC would sell like hotcakes, because they totally would. But the audience that would be attracted to the game solely because of said character are decidedly not the kind of audience that would buy that full pass.

Whereas with Geno, that immediately sends a signal to their audience that “WE’RE FILLING REQUESTS, GET IN HERE!” Suddenly, characters like Bandana Dee, Elma, and even Banjo feel way more possible, and a lot more fans will snap up that pass with reignited hopes(as long as they weren’t already dashed in the base game, R.I.P. Chorus Kids, Shantae, and Isaac).

Sora or DQ, while again they’d cause a good amount of individual DLC sales, would generally cause less overall faith in Nintendo’s DLC choices(because of sentiment like “oh god their marketing team is in full force, prepare for Steve and a FE character, **** this”), meaning far less pass purchases.

Not to mention that Sora has a bunch of issues that come with being the first reveal, since it’d throw a pretty gigantic wrench into KH3’s marketing plans no matter how you slice it. Suddenly the focus is on the one console that is most likely never getting the game(due to processing power) instead of the two that actually are, which is a genuinely bad plan. Sora appearing a couple months after KH3’s launch would make more sense for both sides, but it’d be practically suicidal to have an announcement beforehand.

 

[Fatmanonice]

>"Here's all these things going for Geno and against his competitors."

>*teleports behind you* "Nothing personnel kid, but Sora/DQ is getting in because it will make IGN, Famistu, and Kotaku say 'wowie zowie.' It's simple logic. Better luck next Smash, amigo."

There, I just summarized the last two days for anyone just joining in.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

>"Here's all these things going for Geno and against his competitors."

>*teleports behind you* "Nothing personnel kid, but Sora/DQ is getting in because it will make IGN, Famistu, and Kotaku say 'wowie zowie.' It's simple logic. Better luck next Smash, amigo."

There, I just summarized the last two days for anyone just joining in.

You seem delusional....Don't you know how popular Kingdom Hearts is?!?!

 

[Loliko YnT]

Eh ? I thought we were discussing the Mallow VS Roxas debate , not the Geno VS Sora debate...

Jk jk

 

[Fatmanonice]

A really important aspect of all this that I think a lot of people are overlooking is that Nintendo not only has individual DLC to sell, they have a Fighters Pass. This time, the first character revealed is especially important, as it will set the tone for the rest of the content.

And quite simply, Sora and DQ won’t sell a Fighters Pass remotely as well as Geno will. I am in no way denying that their singular $5.99 DLC would sell like hotcakes, because they totally would. But the audience that would be attracted to the game solely because of said character are decidedly not the kind of audience that would buy that full pass.

Whereas with Geno, that immediately sends a signal to their audience that “WE’RE FILLING REQUESTS, GET IN HERE!” Suddenly, characters like Bandana Dee, Elma, and even Banjo feel way more possible, and a lot more fans will snap up that pass with reignited hopes(as long as they weren’t already dashed in the base game, R.I.P. Chorus Kids, Shantae, and Isaac).

Sora or DQ, while again they’d cause a good amount of individual DLC sales, would generally cause less overall faith in Nintendo’s DLC choices(because of sentiment like “oh god their marketing team is in full force, prepare for Steve and a FE character, **** this”), meaning far less pass purchases.

Not to mention that Sora has a bunch of issues that come with being the first reveal, since it’d throw a pretty gigantic wrench into KH3’s marketing plans no matter how you slice it. Suddenly the focus is on the one console that is most likely never getting the game(due to processing power) instead of the two that actually are, which is a genuinely bad plan. Sora appearing a couple months after KH3’s launch would make more sense for both sides, but it’d be practically suicidal to have an announcement beforehand.

This is an underrated post because Geno's situation now is a lot like Mewtwo's was pre Smash 4 DLC. I remember there was a couple of insiders in August and September of 2014 who said Mewtwo was in and they got hardcore dragged for it. "Mewtwo fans BTFO" "you're wrong kys", and all that because he was nowhere to be found aside from a trophy in Smash 3DS. A lot of people flat out dismissed the possibility of DLC too making them even more belligerent to those people.

Mewtwo being the first DLC character shown was pretty significant too, especially with the argument being used here that "Kingdom Hearts X Smash Bros" on an IGN article trumps literally everything. The first three DLC characters for Smash 4 were cut characters with huge fan demand. There was literally no reason to bring any of them back outside of sheer fan demand. Roy and Lucas STILL haven't had their respective games translated and brought out of Japan and the only reason a vast majority of people even care about them is because of Smash and the Smash Community.

What happened after that? Ryu was revealed fourth and Cloud was fifth, more than a year after Mewtwo and DLC was announced, and then Bayo was last. If "Smash Bros X Your Mom" is such a big deal, shouldn't Ryu or Cloud have been first, not Mewtwo? Ryu's announcement was roughly 8 months after Mewtwo's. Mewtwo, the fan favorite who was one of the worst characters in Melee, was chosen as the first reveal to show Smash fans that the DLC was worth their time and investment.

Circling back, we have insiders saying a Square Enix character is up first for DLC with some outright saying it's Geno, the character's already been shown in a non playable form that's not an assist trophy, a number of people are dismissing the character because of this, and the character is someone that's a bigger deal to the Smash Community than a typical casual fan. Anyone else getting deja Vu?

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Again, I’m not trying to argue that Geno has a worse chance than Sora or Dragon Quest, but I am arguing that those objectively bring more attention to the game than Geno ever could hope to because they are entire major third party franchises being represented with their inclusion. Both of which are “in” right now with new games coming out/recently released. And you’re going to see people complain about Geno being in if he gets in over those franchises and vice versa.

You can try and discredit the new buzz of headline grabbers all you want, but they’re important in this industry. That’s the best advertisement you can get, the free kind written by excited people. There’s much more of a story to tell there, and that kind of mainstream coverage is important. Those headlines have power to attract lots of positive attention. Sora especially is just a bigger name to be added to Smash than Geno. It doesn’t matter how loud and vocal we are as a fan base, you’re just not going to top Kingdom Hearts in the number of people that reaches.

Does that mean I think he’s in, that he’s likely, or even that I particularly care for him to be in? NO to all of those things. But I’m seeing a scary dismissive tone towards him where he is a real consideration and objectively the more popular character all around. Geno has a huge name in the Smash community, and nothing outside of it. Sora has a decently strong presence for Smash, and a massive following outside of it. See what I’m getting at. That’s the main point I take issue with in these discussions.

Well that and somehow Sora wouldn’t be a huge boon to the fighter pass as well. He’d still be a hell of a first reveal no matter how you look at it and would inspire faith in the pass despite some people’s personal disdain.

I’m just saying, he’s a goddamn real presence. He may be more complicated to get in, but we really have no clue on exactly how complicated that would be and what it might entail, we’re just completely speculating on that front.

Obviously I want Geno more than him, he’s my number one now. But I can’t deny that’s Sora is the all around bigger presence and would be far from a bad pick as well (ideally we’d just get both to satisfy everyone).

 

[domriver]

Im just waiting for the VGA see what goes on but from what I read people are expecting
Metroid Prime 4 news
Bayonetta 3 news
Smash DLC News

In a perfect world we would get all 3. However i think we are only seeing 1. I could see 2 out of those 3 but not all 3.
Time will tell.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Again, I’m not trying to argue that Geno has a worse chance than Sora or Dragon Quest, but I am arguing that those objectively bring more attention to the game than Geno ever could hope to because they are entire major third party franchises being represented with their inclusion. Both of which are “in” right now with new games coming out/recently released. And you’re going to see people complain about Geno being in if he gets in over those franchises and vice versa.

You can try and discredit the new buzz of headline grabbers all you want, but they’re important in this industry. That’s the best advertisement you can get, the free kind written by excited people. There’s much more of a story to tell there, and that kind of mainstream coverage is important. Those headlines have power to attract lots of positive attention. Sora especially is just a bigger name to be added to Smash than Geno. It doesn’t matter how loud and vocal we are as a fan base, you’re just not going to top Kingdom Hearts in the number of people that reaches.

Does that mean I think he’s in, that he’s likely, or even that I particularly care for him to be in? NO to all of those things. But I’m seeing a scary dismissive tone towards him where he is a real consideration and objectively the more popular character all around. Geno has a huge name in the Smash community, and nothing outside of it. Sora has a decently strong presence for Smash, and a massive following outside of it. See what I’m getting at. That’s the main point I take issue with in these discussions.

Well that and somehow Sora wouldn’t be a huge boon to the fighter pass as well. He’d still be a hell of a first reveal no matter how you look at it and would inspire faith in the pass despite some people’s personal disdain.

I’m just saying, he’s a goddamn real presence. He may be more complicated to get in, but we really have no clue on exactly how complicated that would be and what it might entail, we’re just completely speculating on that front.

Obviously I want Geno more than him, he’s my number one now. But I can’t deny that’s Sora is the all around bigger presence and would be far from a bad pick as well (ideally we’d just get both to satisfy everyone).

Hey man, Sora isn't happening. You can make the exact argument you just made for almost any popular third party character, Sora isn't some special case of "grabbing headlines" compared to many other third parties.

It's very clear to me that many people aren't understanding the arguments being made against Sora and just boil it down to him being popular and saying that we're dismissing that fact. He is popular, but he is also owned by Disney (remember, Vergeben said it was a SE owned character coming) and the only character left that could "break the internet" is Banjo.

Nintendo does what is in their best interest, and as stated before Sora in Smash literally only benefits them for one single game and if anything would push a lot more PS4's than Switches

 

[Fatmanonice]

Already went into it about why the significance of the headline aspect is being way over blown but here's my rebuttal in video form:

 

[Datboigeno]

Again, I’m not trying to argue that Geno has a worse chance than Sora or Dragon Quest, but I am arguing that those objectively bring more attention to the game than Geno ever could hope to because they are entire major third party franchises being represented with their inclusion. Both of which are “in” right now with new games coming out/recently released. And you’re going to see people complain about Geno being in if he gets in over those franchises and vice versa.

You can try and discredit the new buzz of headline grabbers all you want, but they’re important in this industry. That’s the best advertisement you can get, the free kind written by excited people. There’s much more of a story to tell there, and that kind of mainstream coverage is important. Those headlines have power to attract lots of positive attention. Sora especially is just a bigger name to be added to Smash than Geno. It doesn’t matter how loud and vocal we are as a fan base, you’re just not going to top Kingdom Hearts in the number of people that reaches.

Does that mean I think he’s in, that he’s likely, or even that I particularly care for him to be in? NO to all of those things. But I’m seeing a scary dismissive tone towards him where he is a real consideration and objectively the more popular character all around. Geno has a huge name in the Smash community, and nothing outside of it. Sora has a decently strong presence for Smash, and a massive following outside of it. See what I’m getting at. That’s the main point I take issue with in these discussions.

Well that and somehow Sora wouldn’t be a huge boon to the fighter pass as well. He’d still be a hell of a first reveal no matter how you look at it and would inspire faith in the pass despite some people’s personal disdain.

I’m just saying, he’s a goddamn real presence. He may be more complicated to get in, but we really have no clue on exactly how complicated that would be and what it might entail, we’re just completely speculating on that front.

Obviously I want Geno more than him, he’s my number one now. But I can’t deny that’s Sora is the all around bigger presence and would be far from a bad pick as well (ideally we’d just get both to satisfy everyone).

Consider the fact that SMRPG sold extremely well when it was released on SNES, when it was re-released on the Wii and Wii U, and the SNES Classic on which it was included on sold out in tons of locations despite Nintendo making more units to meet demand. The same can’t even be said about Superstar Saga which is a fantastic game that sold well on its original release but more or less flopped on re-release.You’re making it sound as if people who are hardcore Smash fans are the only ones to have played SMRPG and that it’s some super niche title. Mario fans have been asking for Geno to show up again for decades now. Longer than Sora has even been a character. For as big of a fan base as KH has Mario is still the biggest and most mainstream franchise on the planet next to Pokemon. Also, If Geno is placing higher than Sora on things like the smash ballot back in 2014 and even currently when you look at the just released reddit smash sub results which combined have a vote count in the millions you have to ask yourself if Sora really would be the bigger deal compared to Geno overall that you’re making him out to be.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Again, I’m not trying to argue that Geno has a worse chance than Sora or Dragon Quest, but I am arguing that those objectively bring more attention to the game than Geno ever could hope to because they are entire major third party franchises being represented with their inclusion. Both of which are “in” right now with new games coming out/recently released. And you’re going to see people complain about Geno being in if he gets in over those franchises and vice versa.

You can try and discredit the new buzz of headline grabbers all you want, but they’re important in this industry. That’s the best advertisement you can get, the free kind written by excited people. There’s much more of a story to tell there, and that kind of mainstream coverage is important. Those headlines have power to attract lots of positive attention. Sora especially is just a bigger name to be added to Smash than Geno. It doesn’t matter how loud and vocal we are as a fan base, you’re just not going to top Kingdom Hearts in the number of people that reaches.

Does that mean I think he’s in, that he’s likely, or even that I particularly care for him to be in? NO to all of those things. But I’m seeing a scary dismissive tone towards him where he is a real consideration and objectively the more popular character all around. Geno has a huge name in the Smash community, and nothing outside of it. Sora has a decently strong presence for Smash, and a massive following outside of it. See what I’m getting at. That’s the main point I take issue with in these discussions.

Well that and somehow Sora wouldn’t be a huge boon to the fighter pass as well. He’d still be a hell of a first reveal no matter how you look at it and would inspire faith in the pass despite some people’s personal disdain.

I’m just saying, he’s a goddamn real presence. He may be more complicated to get in, but we really have no clue on exactly how complicated that would be and what it might entail, we’re just completely speculating on that front.

Obviously I want Geno more than him, he’s my number one now. But I can’t deny that’s Sora is the all around bigger presence and would be far from a bad pick as well (ideally we’d just get both to satisfy everyone).

Super Mario RPG sold over 2 million on the SNES alone, and clearly there must have been a massive amount of sales on virtual console for Wii/Wi U, because they put it on the SNES Classic as well. Saying that Geno isn't as popular as Sora is just completely ignorant, I'm sorry. This isn't even to mention how massive Geno is on the internet. Those famous animations everyone has seen of the "rawest forest" song from way back, all the people who ever talk about smash bros have mentioned Geno at some point, etc. I'm not saying Sora isn't popular, because he is. I'm saying that Geno is just as popular, if not more. You'd be crazy to claim otherwise. Geno, despite not being the main character of his series, despite being in one game, despite being "irrelevant," despite his appearance being on the SNES, despite EVERYTHING. Geno is STILL insanely popular. Hell, my parents recognize Geno.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Super Mario RPG sold over 2 million on the SNES alone, and clearly there must have been a massive amount of sales on virtual console for Wii/Wi U, because they put it on the SNES Classic as well. Saying that Geno isn't as popular as Sora is just completely ignorant, I'm sorry. This isn't even to mention how massive Geno is on the internet. Those famous animations everyone has seen of the "rawest forest" song from way back, all the people who ever talk about smash bros have mentioned Geno at some point, etc. I'm not saying Sora isn't popular, because he is. I'm saying that Geno is just as popular, if not more. You'd be crazy to claim otherwise. Geno, despite not being the main character of his series, despite being in one game, despite being "irrelevant," despite his appearance being on the SNES, despite EVERYTHING. Geno is STILL insanely popular. Hell, my parents recognize Geno.

Over 2 million copies is nothing against over 20 million. Though I agree that some people undersell SMRPG as this obscure game when it was anything but.

 

[Deleted member]

Consider the fact that SMRPG sold extremely well when it was released on SNES, when it was re-released on the Wii and Wii U, and the SNES Classic on which it was included on sold out in tons of locations despite Nintendo making more units to meet demand. The same can’t even be said about Superstar Saga which is a fantastic game that sold well on its original release but more or less flopped on re-release.You’re making it sound as if people who are hardcore Smash fans are the only ones to have played SMRPG and that it’s some super niche title. Mario fans have been asking for Geno to show up again for decades now. Longer than Sora has even been a character. For as big of a fan base as KH has Mario is still the biggest and most mainstream franchise on the planet next to Pokemon. Also, If Geno is placing higher than Sora on things like the smash ballot back in 2014 and even currently when you look at the just released reddit smash sub results which combined have a vote count in the millions you have to ask yourself if Sora really would be the bigger deal compared to Geno overall that you’re making him out to be.

Super Mario RPG sold over 2 million on the SNES alone, and clearly there must have been a massive amount of sales on virtual console for Wii/Wi U, because they put it on the SNES Classic as well. Saying that Geno isn't as popular as Sora is just completely ignorant, I'm sorry. This isn't even to mention how massive Geno is on the internet. Those famous animations everyone has seen of the "rawest forest" song from way back, all the people who ever talk about smash bros have mentioned Geno at some point, etc. I'm not saying Sora isn't popular, because he is. I'm saying that Geno is just as popular, if not more. You'd be crazy to claim otherwise. Geno, despite not being the main character of his series, despite being in one game, despite being "irrelevant," despite his appearance being on the SNES, despite EVERYTHING. Geno is STILL insanely popular. Hell, my parents recognize Geno.

I agree with both of you. Being irrelevant is not an issue, especially since K Rool is playable, and you don't have to be the most well known icons to get in to Ultimate (I see Geno as an icon though). The impact Super Mario RPG had on gamers is severely underestimated, and that is very disappointing. He was the creation of Nintendo and Square Enix's relationship and has had an absurd amount of requests for Smash

 

[Corbin]

People grossly overestimate the appeal of Kingdom Hearts. Just a quick reminder that Super Mario RPG has outsold every single Kingdom Hearts game:

If you look at the sales figures for individual Kingdom Hearts games, aside from the main titles, they really don't sell that well.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Over 2 million copies is nothing against over 20 million. Though I agree that some people undersell SMRPG as this obscure game when it was anything but.

Where do you get 20 million from? The highest selling KH game was only 6 million. Combining the sales of every single game isn't really a good way to judge popularity, since it's so much overlap between all of them. As far as "people who bought and played at least one KH game" it's not 20 million. It's probably a lot closer to 8-10 million at best. Even still, SMRPG is such a massive thing on the internet that plenty of people have probably emulated it, or watched a youtuber play it. KH is nowhere near as popular on the internet.

 

[Deleted member]

People grossly overestimate the appeal of Kingdom Hearts. Just a quick reminder that Super Mario RPG has outsold every single Kingdom Hearts game:

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If you look at the sales figures for individual Kingdom Hearts games, aside from the main titles, they really don't sell that well.

That just feels SOOOO good

 

[domriver]

Im hoping Nintendo throws a last surprise with a SMRPG Remake or Sequel or whatever!! Just another game in full blown 3d action or new story. To kick off 2019 Just right! ejje

 

[EricTheGamerman]

People grossly overestimate the appeal of Kingdom Hearts. Just a quick reminder that Super Mario RPG has outsold every single Kingdom Hearts game:

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If you look at the sales figures for individual Kingdom Hearts games, aside from the main titles, they really don't sell that well.

Did you just use a wiki that anyone can edit as a source? Cause that’s not how you provide evidence for your claim that Super Mario RPG outsold Kingdom Hearts. Especially when this source isn’t even consistent about its own numbers, cause Super Mario RPG and Kingdom Hearts should definitely be on here:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_RPG_games

So, give me a source that is consistent and can’t be edited by anyone to make that conclusion.

 

[alemerltoucanet]

People grossly overestimate the appeal of Kingdom Hearts. Just a quick reminder that Super Mario RPG has outsold every single Kingdom Hearts game:

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If you look at the sales figures for individual Kingdom Hearts games, aside from the main titles, they really don't sell that well.

This is honestly some really cool info to know. XD
Gosh dang.

 

[Datboigeno]

Did you just use a wiki that anyone can edit as a source? Cause that’s not how you provide evidence for your claim that Super Mario RPG outsold Kingdom Hearts. Especially when this source isn’t even consistent about its own numbers, cause Super Mario RPG and Kingdom Hearts should definitely be on here:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_RPG_games

So, give me a source that is consistent and can’t be edited by anyone to make that conclusion.

Wait, are we entering "Fake News" territory now?

 

[Bobthealligator]

A really important aspect of all this that I think a lot of people are overlooking is that Nintendo not only has individual DLC to sell, they have a Fighters Pass. This time, the first character revealed is especially important, as it will set the tone for the rest of the content.

And quite simply, Sora and DQ won’t sell a Fighters Pass remotely as well as Geno will. I am in no way denying that their singular $5.99 DLC would sell like hotcakes, because they totally would. But the audience that would be attracted to the game solely because of said character are decidedly not the kind of audience that would buy that full pass.

Whereas with Geno, that immediately sends a signal to their audience that “WE’RE FILLING REQUESTS, GET IN HERE!” Suddenly, characters like Bandana Dee, Elma, and even Banjo feel way more possible, and a lot more fans will snap up that pass with reignited hopes(as long as they weren’t already dashed in the base game, R.I.P. Chorus Kids, Shantae, and Isaac).

Sora or DQ, while again they’d cause a good amount of individual DLC sales, would generally cause less overall faith in Nintendo’s DLC choices(because of sentiment like “oh god their marketing team is in full force, prepare for Steve and a FE character, **** this”), meaning far less pass purchases.

Not to mention that Sora has a bunch of issues that come with being the first reveal, since it’d throw a pretty gigantic wrench into KH3’s marketing plans no matter how you slice it. Suddenly the focus is on the one console that is most likely never getting the game(due to processing power) instead of the two that actually are, which is a genuinely bad plan. Sora appearing a couple months after KH3’s launch would make more sense for both sides, but it’d be practically suicidal to have an announcement beforehand.

Development probably only started like a week ago, at the earliest, the character will be shown in March, but my money's on May. Nothing's going to be announced before KH3 is released anyway. Also I disagree when you say Geno would sell better, Geno has a very vocal, dedicated fan base, but your average Smash fan would probably react with: "Who?".