Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[pinshadow]

Ah! Found it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SmashPrecede/status/1285205456382767105

Some people are saying they're old videos but in the past Nintendo has taken down old videos in playlists to replace them with new ones and it was noted that this happened shortly after the Mini Direct.

But those were already privated last week, we even talked about it in the thread, one of them is the old 2015 E3 direct. They weren't privated recently.

 

[okamifire]

Let's talk about Geno's personality. What do you like about him? I love how calm, polite, and considerate he is. He makes a great straight man for the silly, exuberant Mario world and it makes him come across as heavenly.

I like that he seems so unassuming at first just being in a doll, then you find out that he's a mysterious celestial being. I also like the whole tying in with the stars theme he has too.

 

[Deleted member]

Yesterday I played as Sheik to test her side-b in WoL against Galeem and...yeah, it's pretty glitchy, I can't even get the the bomb to go off before it rolls off the screen. And that was after I tested it in training mode when it was working fine.

Since Sheik was the stand-in for Geno's spirit battle I could see Sakurai taking that move and basing part of Geno's moveset around it.

 

[Fatmanonice]

But those were already privated last week, we even talked about it in the thread, one of them is the old 2015 E3 direct. They weren't privated recently.

Then perhaps we're looking at this all wrong... Not four total videos... But three. Three videos privated for the placement of three upcoming videos, one of them being yesterday's video. This could also explain the three consecutive weeks of online maintenance.

 

[JarBear]

Then perhaps we're looking at this all wrong... Not four total videos... But three. Three videos privated for the placement of three upcoming videos, one of them being yesterday's video. This could also explain the three consecutive weeks of online maintenance.

That would be nice. I hope. Something something.

 

[pinshadow]

Then perhaps we're looking at this all wrong... Not four total videos... But three. Three videos privated for the placement of three upcoming videos, one of them being yesterday's video. This could also explain the three consecutive weeks of online maintenance.

They didn't even put the Mini Direct in the playlist though, it hasn't been updated since May 15th.

I'm still expecting some form of announcement in the next few weeks, but I don't think this whole playlist debacle means anything.

 

[Icewolff92]

Being honest now that they've established this whole partner direct thing as a constant for the foreseeable future I don't see them doing a normal direct for the rest of the year. Maybe we'll get some Mario direct or something focused on only first parties, but we aren't getting a general. Smash will come and while I can't see them doing another reveal straight into release like Byleth it's still a possibility since if it's out in September they would be doing the reveal SOON, otherwise they would just wait until around the release anyway and do a Smash Presentation.

I think the more annoying issue right now is trying to figure out what the hell the Holiday Title is. Does it even exist? I mean what do we even have that we know/people think is still happening this year?

• Bravely Default 2
• 3D World
• Pikmin 3
• The 3D Mario Collection (which the longer we go without seeing it makes me think it literally is just suped-up ports and nothing else)
• Smash/Pokemon DLC

Are they seriously just going to make a bunch of ports, some DLC, and a third-party JRPG their big Holiday Line-Up? Yea, I get it, the ports will sell gangbusters, look at MK8 Deluxe, but...really? Not one NEW first-party game? Something doesn't add up here but I can't figure out what that game could even be.

I mean, make no mistake, the 3D collection (which I personally belive is happen) could cover enough for them to have some ground during the holiday. Everything that contains the word Mario + quarantine time will sell like butter in the sun. It will be even bigger concidering the power of nostalgia. Just look at all the reskinned Super Mario Bros titles that they constantly they spit out like Activision do with Call of Duty or EA with Battlefield. They sell a ton even with a barebones tweak or two.

My guess is that (if we are lucky) the holiday title is either going to be Pokemon Snap 2 or Breath of The Wild 2 outside of the ports,

 

[Wazygoose]

FYI this post contains no spoilers, but I'm putting it in a spoiler section just in case someone wants to hear absolutely nothing about Paper Mario Origami King.

Spoiler: My no-spoiler impression about Paper Mario Origami King relative to SMRPG

I've been playing the new Paper Mario game, Origami King, and there have been a few things I personally think are nice throwbacks to SMRPG, intentional or unintentional. You could definitely argue that they are coincidences, and are just things the designers naturally thought were good to do. But to me, there are enough throwbacks to where I think when making this game they had in mind some of the elements from where the RPG Mario games originated from. I never played Sticker Star or Color Splash, but this is the first time I've played a "Mario Story"-ish game with things in it that remind me specifically of SMRPG.

It's a cute, hilarious game that truly has the same brand of fun-ness to me that SMRPG has, and I absolutely recommend it to SMRPG fans.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

FYI this post contains no spoilers, but I'm putting it in a spoiler section just in case someone wants to hear absolutely nothing about Paper Mario Origami King.

Spoiler: My no-spoiler impression about Paper Mario Origami King relative to SMRPG

I've been playing the new Paper Mario game, Origami King, and there have been a few things I personally think are nice throwbacks to SMRPG, intentional or unintentional. You could definitely argue that they are coincidences, and are just things the designers naturally thought were good to do. But to me, there are enough throwbacks to where I think when making this game they had in mind some of the elements from where the RPG Mario games originated from. I never played Sticker Star or Color Splash, but this is the first time I've played a "Mario Story"-ish game with things in it that remind me specifically of SMRPG.

It's a cute, hilarious game that truly has the same brand of fun-ness to me that SMRPG has, and I absolutely recommend it to SMRPG fans.

I could be completely wrong about this because I haven't tried out the game myself, but the battling system looks ridiculously complicated during some fights. Not sure which one, but I was watching someone fight a boss and they had to control Mario across this board while making sure they were on the right path and collecting as much bonuses as they can before being able to actually attack. Probably wrong on this, I should try the game out myself lol.

Do you guys prefer Mario and Luigi or Paper Mario? Both series have dropped the ball as time went on, but I hope M&L gets a second shot in the future (RIP AlphaDream!) I personally prefer M&L at the moment. Can you believe I've never played a single Paper Mario game? I have an N64 in the basement, I might order the original Paper Mario and then try out TTYD after. I'm certainly missing out. But I'm sure both RPG series are great at what they do, with highs and lows as typical games do.

 

[Deleted member]

I could be completely wrong about this because I haven't tried out the game myself, but the battling system looks ridiculously complicated during some fights. Not sure which one, but I was watching someone fight a boss and they had to control Mario across this board while making sure they were on the right path and collecting as much bonuses as they can before being able to actually attack. Probably wrong on this, I should try the game out myself lol.

Do you guys prefer Mario and Luigi or Paper Mario? Both series have dropped the ball as time went on, but I hope M&L gets a second shot in the future (RIP AlphaDream!) I personally prefer M&L at the moment. Can you believe I've never played a single Paper Mario game? I have an N64 in the basement, I might order the original Paper Mario and then try out TTYD after. I'm certainly missing out. But I'm sure both RPG series are great at what they do, with highs and lows as typical games do.

You've gotta play TTYD for sure. And I'm not sure which I prefer more, but the ones I'd recommend that I've played are PM:TTYD, M&L Superstar Saga, and M&L Partners in Time.

The ones I haven't played yet that I want to are PM 64 and M&L Bowser's Inside Story.

 

[Icewolff92]

I could be completely wrong about this because I haven't tried out the game myself, but the battling system looks ridiculously complicated during some fights. Not sure which one, but I was watching someone fight a boss and they had to control Mario across this board while making sure they were on the right path and collecting as much bonuses as they can before being able to actually attack. Probably wrong on this, I should try the game out myself lol.

Do you guys prefer Mario and Luigi or Paper Mario? Both series have dropped the ball as time went on, but I hope M&L gets a second shot in the future (RIP AlphaDream!) I personally prefer M&L at the moment. Can you believe I've never played a single Paper Mario game? I have an N64 in the basement, I might order the original Paper Mario and then try out TTYD after. I'm certainly missing out. But I'm sure both RPG series are great at what they do, with highs and lows as typical games do.

They are at the same level. While I adore the M&L series, it lost me with Dream Team and I have yet (nor have any interest) to try out Paper Jam.
With Paper Mario, I adore the first two, kinda like Oragami King, but not so fan of Sticker Star and haven´t even bothered to try out Color Splash. The ultimate SMRPG sequel to me would sort of being like the M&L series in gameplay, but Paper Mario when it comes to the writing.

 

[Droodle]

That's a REALLY good theory (the only doubt I have is that both 2019 and 2020 would have a Square Rep and a Microsoft Rep as their E3 reveals).
Btw: your predictions still being the same only changing the orders, right? If that is the case we will get:
CP6: MinMin
CP7: Geno
CP8: Master Chief
CP9: Lloyd
CP10: Dante
CP11: Crash

Since these characters get brought up a ton in this thread by Fatman and others. I'll just post my honest thoughts on their chances, and I am a fan of all these characters too so I'm not really biased against them.

Geno: Super duper likely imo. I don't think he's guaranteed but I think it's his time guys and gals. And I think he's coming no later than CP 8 (CP7 is most likely though). If you're a regular, you already know all the stuff surrounding his chances; and while I myself don't buy a lot of it, his chances look good nonetheless.

Master Chief: Unlikely, I'd say. I know Microsoft and Nintendo worked wonderfully in FP 1, and their relationship is pretty good; but unlike someone like Banjo, Master Chief doesn't have the insanely vocal fan support. And on top of that he was never as big as Banjo was in Japan, he is decently niche over there. In terms of the BIG 3 3rd party characters (Crash, Sora, Master Chief); I'd say Master Chief has the lowest chance (not too far off from Sora) to be a character but the highest chance to get represented (either via spirits or mii costumes).

Lloyd: I think a Tales character is all but guaranteed. It's the last of the BIG JRPG's in Japan (aside from Kingdom Hearts) that doesn't have a presence in Smash on top of the rights to be fairly easy to get to. IF a Tales character is revealed this year, I'd say Lloyd has the best shot of making it in, followed closely by Yuri. However, if we end up going to the next year with NO Tales reveal; I think the front runner will switch to Alphen. Sure, his game won't be on a Nintendo console but at this point that rule has already been pushed hard. It makes too much sense for Bamco to advertise Arise like that especially when Arise is the next "BIG" addition to Tales.

But regardless Lloyd has a good shot, and his biggest competition are in his own series.

Dante: Likely, I'd say. He's grown as a big request, and DMC is more popular than ever. He has a good fanbase both in the West and in the East, so it seems like a pretty likely character. His only issue is that Capcom has so many "good" picks, and he's competing with the likes of Phoenix Wright and Monster Hunter both of which are more attached to Nintendo comparatively to DMC. Who knows though, Capcom was fine with spiriting away RE so it's hard to say if these series just get more spirits instead of a fighter.

Crash: 50/50 for me. I think out of the BIG 3 I've mentioned before, Crash has the highest chance to become playable. He doesn't have Sora's potential copyright issues, and unlike Master Chief, Crash does have a Japanese fanbase (as niche as it may be nowadays). He's probably the most likely "Western" character we're can potentially get.


Personally speaking; here is how I think the rest of the pass is going to go.

7: Geno (Smash x Mario RPG) (September 2020)
8: Rex and Pyra (Smash x Xenoblade Chronicles 2) (November/December 2020)
9: Alphen (Smash x Tales of Arise) (March 2021 or around the time Arise is planned to release)
10: Dante (Smash x DMC) (June 2021) (I don't think they'll use the word "Devil", just because they've already censored Fallout and Assassin)
11: A "niche/controversial" character (Arle/Ryu Hayabusa/Adol Christin/Reimu/etc) (September 2021)

I think I feel pretty confident in something along the lines of this happening.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I do think we'll be getting something sooner than later simply because of how game development works. For example, we already know there are things planned for September and October because the video itself yesterday said there was. I've noticed that games tend to "go platinum" about two months out from their release. This means that they're virtually ready to ship, all the major debugging is done, and may just need to get some retail stuff in order, even if it's just online. For example, pirated copies of Smash Ultimate were found as early as October 2018. If Nintendo has announced games for October, we have a decent indication that things for the Mario 35th anniversary are ready to go and possibly releases into early November.

 

[Xehanort1372019]

Hmm?... Probably means nothing, but worth keeping an eye on.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bayonetta-3-Nintendo-Nintendo-Switch-045496592165/838016510

Also, the Ring Fit Adventure and New Horizons Spirits are coming back in rotation, tonight.

https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/sta...r-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3404

Also... I think this is why Nintendo's first-party news is slow.

https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/post-24026350

 

[Droodle]

Hmm?... Probably means nothing, but worth keeping an eye on.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bayonetta-3-Nintendo-Nintendo-Switch-045496592165/838016510

Also, the Ring Fit Adventure and New Horizons Spirits are coming back in rotation, tonight.

https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1285454460072996864?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1285454460072996864|twgr^&ref_url=https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3404

Also... I think this is why Nintendo's first-party news is slow.

https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/post-24026350

Don't new spirits get added around the time the old ones get added back permanently?

We might get a deconfirmation tonight or so, my bet is something related to Origami King.

 

[Icewolff92]

Master Chief: Unlikely, I'd say. I know Microsoft and Nintendo worked wonderfully in FP 1, and their relationship is pretty good; but unlike someone like Banjo, Master Chief doesn't have the insanely vocal fan support. And on top of that he was never as big as Banjo was in Japan, he is decently niche over there. In terms of the BIG 3 3rd party characters (Crash, Sora, Master Chief); I'd say Master Chief has the lowest chance (not too far off from Sora) to be a character but the highest chance to get represented (either via spirits or mii costumes).

While I think MC is unlikely too, you forget one thing. Xbox has tried to establish themself in Japan for quite some time but failed horribly. Heck, rumor goes that Microsoft is teaming up with Sega in order to get some ground in Japan. https://ticgamesnetwork.com/rumor-microsoft-partners-with-sega-for-series-x-in-japan/

Having what is essentially their mascot on Smash Brothers could be a good way for them to market the console for Japan. Before you say anything about "why would Nintendo do that"... They allowed Sakurai to tell people to buy an Xbox if they want to play Banjo Kazooie with Rare Replay on the showcase of Banjo Kazooie's moveset.

 

[waterhasataste]

Since these characters get brought up a ton in this thread by Fatman and others. I'll just post my honest thoughts on their chances, and I am a fan of all these characters too so I'm not really biased against them.

Geno: Super duper likely imo. I don't think he's guaranteed but I think it's his time guys and gals. And I think he's coming no later than CP 8 (CP7 is most likely though). If you're a regular, you already know all the stuff surrounding his chances; and while I myself don't buy a lot of it, his chances look good nonetheless.

Master Chief: Unlikely, I'd say. I know Microsoft and Nintendo worked wonderfully in FP 1, and their relationship is pretty good; but unlike someone like Banjo, Master Chief doesn't have the insanely vocal fan support. And on top of that he was never as big as Banjo was in Japan, he is decently niche over there. In terms of the BIG 3 3rd party characters (Crash, Sora, Master Chief); I'd say Master Chief has the lowest chance (not too far off from Sora) to be a character but the highest chance to get represented (either via spirits or mii costumes).

Lloyd: I think a Tales character is all but guaranteed. It's the last of the BIG JRPG's in Japan (aside from Kingdom Hearts) that doesn't have a presence in Smash on top of the rights to be fairly easy to get to. IF a Tales character is revealed this year, I'd say Lloyd has the best shot of making it in, followed closely by Yuri. However, if we end up going to the next year with NO Tales reveal; I think the front runner will switch to Alphen. Sure, his game won't be on a Nintendo console but at this point that rule has already been pushed hard. It makes too much sense for Bamco to advertise Arise like that especially when Arise is the next "BIG" addition to Tales.

But regardless Lloyd has a good shot, and his biggest competition are in his own series.

Dante: Likely, I'd say. He's grown as a big request, and DMC is more popular than ever. He has a good fanbase both in the West and in the East, so it seems like a pretty likely character. His only issue is that Capcom has so many "good" picks, and he's competing with the likes of Phoenix Wright and Monster Hunter both of which are more attached to Nintendo comparatively to DMC. Who knows though, Capcom was fine with spiriting away RE so it's hard to say if these series just get more spirits instead of a fighter.

Crash: 50/50 for me. I think out of the BIG 3 I've mentioned before, Crash has the highest chance to become playable. He doesn't have Sora's potential copyright issues, and unlike Master Chief, Crash does have a Japanese fanbase (as niche as it may be nowadays). He's probably the most likely "Western" character we're can potentially get.


Personally speaking; here is how I think the rest of the pass is going to go.

7: Geno (Smash x Mario RPG) (September 2020)
8: Rex and Pyra (Smash x Xenoblade Chronicles 2) (November/December 2020)
9: Alphen (Smash x Tales of Arise) (March 2021 or around the time Arise is planned to release)
10: Dante (Smash x DMC) (June 2021) (I don't think they'll use the word "Devil", just because they've already censored Fallout and Assassin)
11: A "niche/controversial" character (Arle/Ryu Hayabusa/Adol Christin/Reimu/etc) (September 2021)

I think I feel pretty confident in something along the lines of this happening.

I'm going to disagree on Chief. If King Zell rumors are true and Master Chief Collection ends up on Switch, I think he has a decent shot. He may be very niche in Japan, but I don't think it would necessarily hurt Nintendo if they included one character to pander to the west. There's still 5 other slots outside of that and they could easily pick a character to pander to Japan to compensate

As Icewolff92 said as well. Xbox is trying to get into the Japanese market. So there's enough motivation on Microsofts end to at least consider the idea

I just don't see a scenerio where, Microsoft negotiates with Nintendo about getting MCC on Switch and they don't at the very least discuss the possibility of Master Chief in Smash. This wouldn't be like just another 3rd party game coming to the Switch. This is effectively Xbox's Mario showing up on a competitors console. If the rumor pans out, I would be convinced that talks for Chief probably did happen somewhere down the line which would put him in a good position

 

[Icewolff92]

Hmm?... Probably means nothing, but worth keeping an eye on.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bayonetta-3-Nintendo-Nintendo-Switch-045496592165/838016510

Also, the Ring Fit Adventure and New Horizons Spirits are coming back in rotation, tonight.

https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1285454460072996864?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1285454460072996864|twgr^&ref_url=https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3404

Also... I think this is why Nintendo's first-party news is slow.

https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/post-24026350

So the pandemic has f-uped the year for them after all? Can´t say that I´m surprised

 

[Xehanort1372019]

Don't new spirits get added around the time the old ones get added back permanently?

We might get a deconfirmation tonight or so, my bet is something related to Origami King.

Yeah...I think we might get an Origami King Spirt Event...or another boring random theme Spirit Event.

 

[QQS]

Love this picture: “You’re next, little buddy”

Photo by roboticoperatingbud. Found on geno.propaganda (Instagram).

GENO FLASHES IN!

 

[MisterMike]

Also, the Ring Fit Adventure and New Horizons Spirits are coming back in rotation, tonight.

https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1285454460072996864?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1285454460072996864|twgr^&ref_url=https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-3404

Oh finally! I completely missed the Animal Crossing Spirits when they dropped. Now my collection will finally be complete again!

 

[MattX20]

If we do get another spirit event with new content, chances are it'll be another Square IP

 

[Xehanort1372019]

Oh finally! I completely missed the Animal Crossing Spirits when they dropped. Now my collection will finally be complete again!

Me too! I missed the event when I wasn't really feeling for Smash Bros. and regretted it since.

 

[Deleted member]

I wonder who are they gonna disconfirm tonight. If it’s another Square spirit event, then my guesses are Neku, Crono, or Braverly Default.

 

[Droodle]

While I think MC is unlikely too, you forget one thing. Xbox has tried to establish themself in Japan for quite some time but failed horribly. Heck, rumor goes that Microsoft is teaming up with Sega in order to get some ground in Japan. https://ticgamesnetwork.com/rumor-microsoft-partners-with-sega-for-series-x-in-japan/

Having what is essentially their mascot on Smash Brothers could be a good way for them to market the console for Japan. Before you say anything about "why would Nintendo do that"... They allowed Sakurai to tell people to buy an Xbox if they want to play Banjo Kazooie with Rare Replay on the showcase of Banjo Kazooie's moveset.

I don't disagree with that though. I'm not saying Master Chief is "impossible" or even super duper unlikely, I'm just saying he's "unlikely". I know that Xbox is trying harder in terms of getting a Japanese audience, but even then putting Master Chief in Smash wouldn't suddenly turn their situation around.

So really the only point Master Chief has is something that can be used for a ton of series, just in reverse (instead of advertising a primarily JP IP to the West, you're advertising a Western IP to JP instead). Will Nintendo do that or not is something completely separate, but it's pretty clear that Nintendo does tend to focus more towards Japanese IPs.

And like I said, I think Halo in Smash has a pretty good chance (but as a fighter less so).

I'm going to disagree on Chief. If King Zell rumors are true and Master Chief Collection ends up on Switch, I think he has a decent shot. He may be very niche in Japan, but I don't think it would necessarily hurt Nintendo if they included one character to pander to the west. There's still 5 other slots outside of that and they could easily pick a character to pander to Japan to compensate

As Icewolff92 said as well. Xbox is trying to get into the Japanese market. So there's enough motivation on Microsofts end to at least consider the idea

I just don't see a scenerio where, Microsoft negotiates with Nintendo about getting MCC on Switch and they don't at the very least discuss the possibility of Master Chief in Smash. This wouldn't be like just another 3rd party game coming to the Switch. This is effectively Xbox's Mario showing up on a competitors console. If the rumor pans out, I would be convinced that talks for Chief probably did happen somewhere down the line which would put him in a good position

If the MCC is coming to the Switch, I don't doubt that Smash has been brought up. But does that necessarily mean that it's a fighter? I mean the only thing that separates the MCC and Assassin's Creed Collection is that Halo is primarily a entirely Xbox series, but other than that they're both big Western IP's that you wouldn't normally associate with Nintendo. AC ended up with a Mii costume, what's preventing something like Master Chief from ending up like that? I think there are also a lot of rumors for a new MH coming to the Switch too, does that suddenly mean that MH is super likely to end up getting a character to advertise it (and that it's more likely than Dante)?

I just think if they're trying to pander to the West, Crash would be a better pick. Master Chief seems like a pick that would be used to solidify a already good relationship.

EDIT: A smart way to put things would be that Master Chief would be the Western equivalent of Hero in Smash. Impossible? No. But I'm pretty sure a lot of people in Japan won't know who he is. And Smash tends to be Japanese-centric, which reduces his chances imo. If Microsoft gets another character, I think it's more likely to be Steve compared to Chief, as Minecraft is still pretty popular in Japan and more "associated" with Nintendo already.

 

[Andwooooo]

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Love this picture: “You’re next, little buddy”

Photo by roboticoperatingbud. Found on geno.propaganda (Instagram).

GENO FLASHES IN!

This looks... uncomfortably sexual...

 

[Sigran101]

This looks... uncomfortably sexual...

I didn't want to be the one to say it

 

[Griselda]

This looks... uncomfortably sexual...

I'm not sure. Lap-sitting doesn't have to be sexual, and their faces don't really sell that angle, for me. It could be romantic, if anything, but they both just look like they're really confused about what's happening, to me.

 

[MisterMike]

This looks... uncomfortably sexual...

No it doesn't. He's just sittin' on his lap. Nothing inherently sexual there.

 

[Icewolff92]

I don't disagree with that though. I'm not saying Master Chief is "impossible" or even super duper unlikely, I'm just saying he's "unlikely". I know that Xbox is trying harder in terms of getting a Japanese audience, but even then putting Master Chief in Smash wouldn't suddenly turn their situation around.

So really the only point Master Chief has is something that can be used for a ton of series, just in reverse (instead of advertising a primarily JP IP to the West, you're advertising a Western IP to JP instead). Will Nintendo do that or not is something completely separate, but it's pretty clear that Nintendo does tend to focus more towards Japanese IPs.

And like I said, I think Halo in Smash has a pretty good chance (but as a fighter less so).

It makes the more marketable sense for Microsoft for having Masterchief as a fighter instead of a spirit or an MII costume. I say that you said Steve is more likely, which I highly disagree with due to what I mentioned earlier but also because Minecraft is essentially an indie game even with Microsoft buying Mojang. Those games tend to get a costume and not a character.

 

[MattOnwheels]

Really good post, seriously! I've said various forms of this over the period of time since I've been in here (since last summer), but you put it very well from a place of experience. It's awesome to have a person like you in here who has been in the trenches and has seen fans' dedication actually pay off personally. Genuine question though, what got you into this thread finally? (Sorry if you mentioned this before and I missed it because I'm a troglodyte.) I have a feeling you'll be good to have around in the thread as we seemingly get closer to our endgame!

I've been aware of the Geno movement since around Smash 4 if I were to hazard a guess. When the costume got revealed I can remember feeling sad, so I wouldn't be surprised if I knew even before then. My hopes back then were far too focused on K rool, but I wasn't even aware Smashboards existed then. Certainly durring Ultimate's hype cycle is when I became more involved. I had missed out on Brawl and Smash 4 largely because I had no Wii during Brawl and no Wii U...well, ever. LMAO!

Thank all of you for the likes. I meant every word and I'm glad to be here now that K, Rool and Banjo are safe and sound.

Allow me to further encourage you with this thought: I can personally confirm there is NOTHING like the feeling of relief you get when you not only finally see the trailer, but have been in the character's community. You know the Nintendo Store reactions to K Rool and Banjo's reveal? You get that feeling throughout your entire body and as soon as the trailer ends you shut the vid off, rush to discord, and it's like WWII just ended and everyone's dancing in the streets. You see the render get posted and think how amazing they look. You gush about the stages and the music. You're tired as hell because you stayed up all night to see if the rumors were true (And believe me, they'll be flying until the wee hours of the morning when it happens) causing you to feel zombified...but you know what? It doesn't matter. It just. Doesn't. Matter! Once you finally manage to give in and pry yourself away from the celebration to close your eyes, this feeling of inner peace just washes over you. When you wake up afterward, you first think it must have been a dream. Everything's a blur. You DO feel a hung over sense of confusion as you think, in those short few seconds, "What the hell happened last night? Why do I feel so happ--Oh. Oh my god!! OHHHHH ****!!!!" and the feeling comes right back! you hop out of bed, full of energy. You rush to the computer and go to all your stomping grounds: Youtube. Discord. Smashboards. Twitter, All of em--and you see it...The glorious, glorious jubilation! You want to hug every single person you see on every platform and tell them you love them before you finally step away to refresh youtube and watch every, single. Reaction...and then it hits you...It's real. It's forever and it can't be taken away by anyone who told you it would never happen. Tiers? Who gives a rat's behind?! They're in. They're FINALLY. IRREFUTABLY. **IN THE GAME** and all that's left is the satisfaction. No more leak theory, no more blurry, fake renders and best of all, no more anxiety. Just you and the moment...you, and all those who believed with you in one unified celebration of triumph and sweet, sweet relief. The cherry on top? You get to go back and read and watch the reactions over and over again so the memories never fade.

I can confirm with the utmost sincerity that even years later, the feeling has never truly sank in. It lingers with you. I know it sounds stupid hearing me describe it, but it's all true. It was for me, and it's how it will be for all of you as well. Myself included, even! I get to feel it THRICE!!!

 

[waterhasataste]

If the MCC is coming to the Switch, I don't doubt that Smash has been brought up. But does that necessarily mean that it's a fighter? I mean the only thing that separates the MCC and Assassin's Creed Collection is that Halo is primarily a entirely Xbox series, but other than that they're both big Western IP's that you wouldn't normally associate with Nintendo. AC ended up with a Mii costume, what's preventing something like Master Chief from ending up like that? I think there are also a lot of rumors for a new MH coming to the Switch too, does that suddenly mean that MH is super likely to end up getting a character to advertise it (and that it's more likely than Dante)?

I just think if they're trying to pander to the West, Crash would be a better pick. Master Chief seems like a pick that would be used to solidify a already good relationship.

EDIT: A smart way to put things would be that Master Chief would be the Western equivalent of Hero in Smash. Impossible? No. But I'm pretty sure a lot of people in Japan won't know who he is. And Smash tends to be Japanese-centric, which reduces his chances imo. If Microsoft gets another character, I think it's more likely to be Steve compared to Chief, as Minecraft is still pretty popular in Japan and more "associated" with Nintendo already.

Well here's where I feel like there's a difference. Master Chief wouldn't just be another western 3rd party coming to the Switch. Assassin's Creed isn't quite comparable and neither is MH (which I assume is Monster Hunter) because they've been Multiplatform in the past. Master Chief isn't on the same page. This is a character who is effectively Xbox's Mario. Xbox's poster boy. Halo was made as an Xbox exclusive. For him to show up on a Nintendo console would be a way bigger deal than a Assassin's Creed port. It would be like a Mario game getting ported to PlayStation

That's part of the reason why I think in terms of a western character, he has a better shot than some other candidates. If Microsoft was open to the idea, talks would probably be more favorable than other western picks because he'd be a huge deal here if he made it in

Smash may be a game that panders more to Japan, but as I've said, I don't think this would be huge issue since most of the roster is recognizable in Japan anyways and it wouldn't hurt Nintendo to do one character that panders mostly to the west. Since Fighter Pass 2 is going to be the last Smash characters for a while, I think this would be something they would consider

 

[TheCJBrine]

It makes the more marketable sense for Microsoft for having Masterchief as a fighter instead of a spirit or an MII costume. I say that you said Steve is more likely, which I highly disagree with due to what I mentioned earlier but also because Minecraft is essentially an indie game even with Microsoft buying Mojang. Those games tend to get a costume and not a character.

You can’t call Minecraft an indie that would only get less than a fighter when it clearly isn’t an indie anymore and is one of the biggest games of all time if not the biggest, only being an indie in origin and a good example of an indie being successful enough to leave its indie status. Even if it only gets a Mii or spirit event this still doesn’t make any sense to use as a reason. Mojang is not the small indie company they were in the past.

Steve would still be good for marketing too, just not for selling XBoxes.

 

[Droodle]

It makes the more marketable sense for Microsoft for having Masterchief as a fighter instead of a spirit or an MII costume. I say that you said Steve is more likely, which I highly disagree with due to what I mentioned earlier but also because Minecraft is essentially an indie game even with Microsoft buying Mojang. Those games tend to get a costume and not a character.

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure it would have made more marketing sense for Ubisoft to get Altair/Ezio as a Fighter in Smash; or for Capcom to get a Resident Evil fighter rather than just spirits. But companies don't necessarily get to decide what Nintendo wants and unexpected things happen, I mean if you told me a year ago that we would end up getting RE spirits, but no fighter and AC would end up in Smash... as a mii costume, I wouldn't really believe it.

Also at this point Minecraft isn't really indie, sure it started out as an indie game but by now it's spent half of it's life in Microsoft's care; not to mention all the spin-offs were developed under Microsoft as well. I wouldn't really qualify it as an indie series now, it has the backing of a multibillion dollar company.

Well here's where I feel like there's a difference. Master Chief wouldn't just be another western 3rd party coming to the Switch. Assassin's Creed isn't quite comparable and neither is MH (which I assume is Monster Hunter) because they've been Multiplatform in the past. Master Chief isn't on the same page. This is a character who is effectively Xbox's Mario. Xbox's poster boy. Halo was made as an Xbox exclusive. For him to show up on a Nintendo console would be a way bigger deal than a Assassin's Creed port. It would be like a Mario game getting ported to PlayStation

That's part of the reason why I think in terms of a western character, he has a better shot than some other candidates. If Microsoft was open to the idea, talks would probably be more favorable than other western picks because he'd be a huge deal here if he made it in

Smash may be a game that panders more to Japan, but as I've said, I don't think this would be huge issue since most of the roster is recognizable in Japan anyways and it wouldn't hurt Nintendo to do one character that panders mostly to the west. Since Fighter Pass 2 is going to be the last Smash characters for a while, I think this would be something they would consider

Sure, it is Xbox's Mario but at the same time; if they really saw Master Chief as a must for Xbox, he would have gotten in over Banjo in FP1. On top of that Fallout and Assassin's Creed are also huge Western IP's, but they got represented in a way that's separate from a fighter. Something like MCC can come to the Switch without necessarily getting a fighter in Smash. MCC and Master Chief in Smash always get paired up together as if MCC means that Master Chief is practically confirmed in Smash. But that's not really... true?
We can get a huge moment like Halo on Switch, but have nothing from Halo in Smash.

And I'm pretty sure people are thinking that I think Master Chief is impossible. When I really am not, me saying Chief is unlikely doesn't really mean that I think Chief is absolutely not going to get in; I'd say Terry, Byleth, and Joker would also be considered "unlikely" to me back in FP 1. They all got in.

By unlikely I mean that I don't personally expect them to get in, and it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. I really only see 3 "Western" possibilities and it's Crash, Steve, and Master Chief; but like I've said before, I think if they were to pander to the West it's more likely to be Crash compared to the other 2 (but it's not impossible to get 2 of them).

 

[Icewolff92]

You can’t call Minecraft an indie that would only get less than a fighter when it clearly isn’t an indie anymore and is one of the biggest games of all time if not the biggest, only being an indie in origin and a good example of an indie being successful enough to leave its indie status. Even if it only gets a Mii or spirit event this still doesn’t make any sense to use as a reason. Mojang is not the small indie company they were in the past.

Steve would still be good for marketing too, just not for selling XBoxes.

I would still say its an indie at its core but I see what you mean. And no, if Microsoft wants to push Xbox in Japan, Steve is not the answer. Steve is from a game that is on PC, Playstation, Switch, and Xbox. Master Chief on the other hand is the face of Xbox... Sort of like, if the role were reversed, Mario would be the obvious choice for Nintendo if Xbox was behind Smash and Nintendo owned Mojang

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure it would have made more marketing sense for Ubisoft to get Altair/Ezio as a Fighter in Smash; or for Capcom to get a Resident Evil fighter rather than just spirits. But companies don't necessarily get to decide what Nintendo wants and unexpected things happen, I mean if you told me a year ago that we would end up getting RE spirits, but no fighter and AC would end up in Smash... as a mii costume, I wouldn't really believe it....

Capcoms "Mario" is Streetfighter, not Resident Evil. That said

Like I said to CJBrine

If Microsoft wants to push Xbox in Japan, Steve is not the answer. Steve is from a game that is on PC, Playstation, Switch, and Xbox. Master Chief on the other hand is the face of Xbox... Sort of like, if the role were reversed, Mario would be the obvious choice for Nintendo if Xbox was behind Smash and Nintendo owned Mojang. And I highly doubt Nintendo would refuse to add Master Chief who they know would be a big deal

 

[MattX20]

The thing is Minecraft is pretty much everywhere, and Microsoft tends to put Halo at the top most often. Minecraft can get content in Smash, but I think Microsoft would want to get Halo more recognition in Japan first and foremost, much like how Square Enix wanted Dragon Quest to be more successful outside of Japan. It's a similar situation here. That, and since both FF and Dragon Quest got in, it helps Geno's chances since he wouldn't be a legal nightmare for licensing purposes

 

[TheCJBrine]

I would still say its an indie at its core but I see what you mean. And no, if Microsoft wants to push Xbox in Japan, Steve is not the answer. Steve is from a game that is on PC, Playstation, Switch, and Xbox. Master Chief on the other hand is the face of Xbox... Sort of like, if the role were reversed, Mario would be the obvious choice for Nintendo if Xbox was behind Smash and Nintendo owned Mojang.

Alright, but just saying this too: if it was still indie, it’s big enough for that to not matter at all as it competes with AAA games. The fact other indies don’t get much more than an AT is also likely due to just other characters getting prioritized but they still wanted to represent Shovel Knight, Shantae etc. Minecraft is with the top dogs now.

And yes I agree, Master Chief makes the most sense for selling systems. I just mean Steve still makes sense if they want to keep pushing and celebrating Minecraft and include it with Steve as a fighter in Smash, the biggest videogame crossover (Steve and Minecraft itself also have a lot of fans who would love this like other fan picks), but of course Microsoft may want Chief so they can have better hopes of setting up shop in Japan with more than just Minecraft, and they may have only allowed Banjo in first because of us fans - however, this all depends on what Nintendo wants, and while they may like to see Chief on their system, they also love Minecraft. So, I think it could go either way.

 

[pinshadow]

This whole Chief/Microsoft discussion feels kinda off-topic. This is still the GENO thread after all, he has his own thread.

So every DLC Stage so far has leaned super hard into having a bunch of characters show up as stage cameos. Who from SMRPG would you guys like to see, especially given this is the first time any of these characters will be seen outside of pre-rendered Sprites and the images of their 3D Models. Obviously you have to have Mallow, but who else? I guess it depends on what stage they actually go with, but having actual models of the Axem-Rangers would be awesome.

 

[MattX20]

This whole Chief/Microsoft discussion feels kinda off-topic. This is still the GENO thread after all, he has his own thread.

So every DLC Stage so far has leaned super hard into having a bunch of characters show up as stage cameos. Who from SMRPG would you guys like to see, especially given this is the first time any of these characters will be seen outside of pre-rendered Sprites and the images of their 3D Models. Obviously you have to have Mallow, but who else? I guess it depends on what stage they actually go with, but having actual models of the Axem-Rangers would be awesome.

Mostly, Mallow and some of the more noteworthy villains like Croco, Boshi, the Axem Rangers, Exor, and Smithy

 

[TheCJBrine]

This whole Chief/Microsoft discussion feels kinda off-topic. This is still the GENO thread after all, he has his own thread.

So every DLC Stage so far has leaned super hard into having a bunch of characters show up as stage cameos. Who from SMRPG would you guys like to see, especially given this is the first time any of these characters will be seen outside of pre-rendered Sprites and the images of their 3D Models. Obviously you have to have Mallow, but who else? I guess it depends on what stage they actually go with, but having actual models of the Axem-Rangers would be awesome.

Mostly Mallow and Boshi, but I’d like to see Johnny Jones, Bowyer, Croco, Frogfucius, Exor and Smithy as well. The Axem Rangers and Dodo would also be cool to see flying in the background.