Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Griselda]

I'm almost tempted to make a fluffy/funny Geno/Hero shipping piece, now (Even though I know very little about Hero and DQ in general). Like he tries to kiss Geno's cheek and gets splinters.

 

[MattOnwheels]

I couldn't help myself, damn it! >.<; It isn't much, but I wanted to spread the hype in this depressing time!

 

[Griselda]

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I couldn't help myself, damn it! >.<; It isn't much, but I wanted to spread the hype in this depressing time!

...Does this mean that if Geno doesn't show, someone's gonna dress up as him and start handing out all of their furniture?

 

[TheCJBrine]

First of all, when it comes to Square, adding Cloud before Geno is a no brainer no matter if we like it or not. Not adding him first would be like adding Jigglypuff before Pikachu when it comes to Pokemon, or as someone else has pointed out, having a character from a game like Fantasie zone over Sonic if you want to represent Sega.

When it comes to Dragons Quest, that series has prior to the Switch version of DQ11 sold piss poor in the west. Adding Hero in Smash would then be a perfect marketing tool in order to shine some light on the franchise. And thanks to Heros inclusion, Dragon Quest is way more recognizable and popular here. So it made sense why Geno has not arrived yet. But with those two out of the way, there is nothing really that stops him

https://www.videogamer.com/news/dra...western-sales-for-new-entries-to-be-localised

Which brings me to the "Master Chief vs Steve" thing. There is a reason why they chose Banjo first. He is a popular character in both the west and the east (trust me, I was surprised too when I found out) and unless rare replay is ported to Switch, Banjo is a first-party character for Xbox. Why do you think Sakurai mentioned,"if you want to play Banjo Kazooie, you can find him on Xbox One". Now, with series X on the horizon, having a new console releasing, Master Chief is the one that makes the most sense. He is the face of Xbox. and they could easily use him in the poster for the Japanese market, as an "I recognize that guy" and all that jazz. Steve on the other hand is a character that is accessible on every platform. So unless they are having both (which I find even more unlikely) Master Chief is the one that has every card on the table against Steve right now.

If I´m wrong, I´m happy for you. But I cannot see Steve being more than just a Mii Costume at this point.

Alright, alright. I understand why DQ and Cloud got in first, I wasn’t even comparing them to Geno. Just the guy acted like Cloud was difficult when there’s nothing saying he was and he seemed to act like DQ got in Smash because of promotion when, while I’m sure there was promotional intentions, it likely wasn’t the only reason, and it was easy to get. I understand why they got in before Geno, I just didn’t understand why the guy and other people still think Geno isn’t happening because he wouldn’t benefit Square, when it should already be apparent that probably doesn’t matter too much now that their two biggest franchises are in and they seem to be fine just accepting a one-time payment considering the spirit events + they and Nintendo have a good relationship and Geno could symbolize that since he’s from the first game they made together.

I wasn’t putting Cloud and DQ down, I wasn’t confused as to why they got in first, I was just expressing a bit of frustration with people who think Geno is still impossible because of Square wanting big money.

As for MS, alright. I still think Mojang could take action like Rare did, even though MS would still be involved of course, and I still think Steve is just as likely due to Nintendo loving Minecraft and it being the biggest game - and Microsoft likely not saying no to Nintendo if they happen to be the ones who ask first and are dead-set on Steve, but alright, yes, I know and understand Microsoft could ask first or succeed in a counter offer Nintendo may accept to have Chief in to promote the new XBox in Japan, or Nintendo themselves could ask for Chief. Either could get in, this is just what I think, you don’t have to think the same way, my initial issue was just you claiming he wouldn’t get in because he’s indie when that isn’t right and shouldn’t matter anyway with how big he is, competing with other huge games and is the top of its genre. Of course I argue how Steve could get in as I really want him, but okay, I know Chief could get in too and he makes sense as well if Nintendo accepts. I’m not arguing in absolutes or anything like that.

In the end, I guess arguing over this is quite pointless anyway, so I’ll just shut up about it, but I understand Chief could get in and why they’d choose him, I just believe Steve has stuff in his favor as well, so I don’t think he’s much less likely personally, but rather about equal...

 

[MattOnwheels]

...Does this mean that if Geno doesn't show, someone's gonna dress up as him and start handing out all of their furniture?

...And then you find out it's actually Kellios dressed in the Geno Mii costume, and suddenly he gets a mysterious letter saying "Thanks for the help". As he looks up, he sees Sakurai working on Geno for fighter number #78 in this distance...

Kellios: "Yup...leaks are insane,"

LMAO!

 

[Plank08]

I know this is super late and I apologize for that but I feel it needs to be said. the next time y’all don’t get geno, can we please try to not go ape**** and start saying how much the persona fanbase and all of its mains are awful? Cause that’s not even true and quite frankly it’s really annoying how this always happens everytime we don’t get geno and it annoys me a lot.

 

[Powerman293]

I can't believe Papa Genos bought into this "The Leakers are just like us" meme. Really dude? You think after the Sabi thing that the first warning sign of someone's credibility being destroyed he'd disassociate from talking about these people.

"They're taking a risk by sharing this information with us." He's pretending like these people are patron saints and aren't just doing it to make themselves important in a small pond.

 

[TriggerX]

Alright, alright. I understand why DQ and Cloud got in first, I wasn’t even comparing them to Geno. Just the guy acted like Cloud was difficult when there’s nothing saying he was and he seemed to act like DQ got in Smash because of promotion when, while I’m sure there was promotional intentions, it likely wasn’t the only reason, and it was easy to get. I understand why they got in before Geno, I just didn’t understand why the guy and other people still think Geno isn’t happening because he wouldn’t benefit Square, when it should already be apparent that probably doesn’t matter too much now that their two biggest franchises are in and they seem to be fine just accepting a one-time payment.

As for MS, alright. I still think Mojang could take action like Rare did, even though MS would still be involved of course, and I still think Steve is just as likely due to Nintendo loving Minecraft and it being the biggest game - and Microsoft likely not saying no to Nintendo if they happen to be the ones who ask first and are dead-set on Steve, but alright, yes, I know and understand Microsoft could ask first or succeed in a counter offer Nintendo may accept to have Chief in to promote the new XBox in Japan, or Nintendo themselves could ask for Chief. Either could get in, this is just what I think, you don’t have to think the same way, my initial issue was just you claiming he wouldn’t get in because he’s indie when that isn’t right and shouldn’t matter anyway with how big he is, competing with other huge games and is the top of its genre.

There really isn’t much incentive for Square to want to push for Geno since it’s a property they can’t use without Nintendo. They would be better off pushing Sora, or even better Lara Croft. Essentially any other character that could spread awareness for their respective series. On top of promotion square still gets a check.

As far as Geno is concerned Square would probably just be paid for the license, which by comparison to any other character they own or currently work with most likely wouldn’t generate nearly as much money as the other two characters I mentioned.

These are pretty big companies as well, it’s not like Square would just let Nintendo use the character for pennies. I’m sure the money involved would have to be worth their time or else they’d be content to just let the property go unused.

Overall I doubt Square is against Geno, it’s probably more the case that he isn’t on their priority list, which means Nintendo has to create the desire for the character and be willing to pay.

 

[Griselda]

I know this is super late and I apologize for that but I feel it needs to be said. the next time y’all don’t get geno, can we please try to not go ape**** and start saying how much the persona fanbase and all of its mains are awful? Cause that’s not even true and quite frankly it’s really annoying how this always happens everytime we don’t get geno and it annoys me a lot.

Wasn't that only like one person? I hardly think it's a 'we' situation.

 

[MattOnwheels]

I can't believe Papa Genos bought into this "The Leakers are just like us" meme. Really dude? You think after the Sabi thing that the first warning sign of someone's credibility being destroyed he'd disassociate from talking about these people.

"They're taking a risk by sharing this information with us." He's pretending like these people are patron saints and aren't just doing it to make themselves important in a small pond.

Let's not assume the worst in people, shall we? These people have nothing to gain from sharing their info. The risk outweighs the reward,

 

[TheCJBrine]

There really isn’t much incentive for Square to want to push for Geno since it’s a property they can’t use without Nintendo. They would be better off pushing Sora, or even better Lara Croft. Essentially any other character that could spread awareness for their respective series. On top of promotion square still gets a check.

As far as Geno is concerned Square would probably just be paid for the license, which by comparison to any other character they own or currently work with most likely wouldn’t generate nearly as much money as the other two characters I mentioned.

These are pretty big companies as well, it’s not like Square would just let Nintendo use the character for pennies. I’m sure the money involved would have to be worth their time or else they’d be content to just let the property go unused.

Overall I doubt Square is against Geno, it’s probably more the case that he isn’t on their priority list, which means Nintendo has to create the desire for the character and be willing to pay.

That’s basically what I think too; I don’t think Square themselves would push for him unless they happened to care about the fans (probably not...? though assuming every name on the seven squares list was official leakbait, he was on it...), however considering the mii costume and spirits, I think they would very likely say yes to Nintendo and Sakurai if they were willing to pay enough and show how he’s profitable. So, let’s hope Nintendo wants him and does that.

 

[Plank08]

Wasn't that only like one person? I hardly think it's a 'we' situation.

I’m not trying to say it’s an everyone thing by any means, but I just get bothered by the constant bashing by some people that seems to occur everytime we miss a geno opportunity

 

[Powerman293]

Let's not assume the worst in people, shall we? These people have nothing to gain from sharing their info. The risk outweighs the reward,

LMAO these people have the pride to gain for themselves. Why else do you think they do this? So a bunch of nerds on an internet forum can talk positively about them and how they're infallible.

Nate Drake is never gonna get punished by Nintendo for doing this, he can keep getting away with it forever while stroking his ego. GameXplain too. I honestly can't believe GameXplain has been doing this given they purportedly have a closer connection to Nintendo than most media outlets. What leeches, Nintendo gives them special access and they spoil their secrets for their own pride and self-importance.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I can't believe Papa Genos bought into this "The Leakers are just like us" meme. Really dude? You think after the Sabi thing that the first warning sign of someone's credibility being destroyed he'd disassociate from talking about these people.

"They're taking a risk by sharing this information with us." He's pretending like these people are patron saints and aren't just doing it to make themselves important in a small pond.

Sabi is not comparable to these other dudes. Some of them genuinely want to give people info, even if some may be a bit arrogant about it as well. Sabi was just mooching off of others and pretending to be someone he wasn’t to feed his ego, and was a terrible person in general.

 

[Griselda]

We wouldn't need leakers and insiders to give information if Nintendo would actually do it themselves.

 

[MattOnwheels]

LMAO these people have the pride to gain for themselves. Why else do you think they do this? So a bunch of nerds on an internet forum can talk positively about them and how they're infallible.

Nate Drake is never gonna get punished by Nintendo for doing this, he can keep getting away with it forever while stroking his ego. GameXplain too. I honestly can't believe GameXplain has been doing this given they purportedly have a closer connection to Nintendo than most media outlets. What leeches, Nintendo gives them special access and they spoil their secrets for their own pride and self-importance.

You call us nerds in a derogatory sense and I think that's pretty damning of you. We as a community are not without fault but we are nothing to inflict self hate upon. Leakers leak (when they are honest) because they want to give back to the community where they feel Nintendo will not. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Powerman293]

You call us nerds in a derogatory sense and I think that's pretty damning of you. We as a community are not without fault but we are nothing to inflict self hate upon. Leakers leak (when they are honest) because they want to give back to the community where they feel Nintendo will not. There's nothing wrong with that.

You do realize leakers are still around and behave exactly the same even when Nintendo does give us news regularly, right? The only time they have any "value" is a situation like right now but even that has proven to not be the case.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

We wouldn't need leakers and insiders to give information if Nintendo would actually do it themselves.

Say what you will about Metroid Prime 4 getting delayed, but at least we know it's coming in some official capacity, because Nintendo actually announced it back in 2017.

Those supposed ports of the 3D Mario games and Pikmin 3, the new 2D Metroid, and possibly (if you think that teasing from insiders several days back was more than it seems) the identity of Fighter 7? Leakers are the reason we're even just talking about them, when we really instead should've been talking about them because Nintendo came out and announced them already... which they haven't.

 

[MattOnwheels]

You do realize leakers are still around and behave exactly the same even when Nintendo does give us news regularly, right? The only time they have any "value" is a situation like right now but even that has proven to not be the case.

What is it you're trying to defend here? If someone wants to leak information they have every right to, especially with Nintendo's oft anti-consumer behavior.

 

[pinshadow]

I find a post which tries to predict when we may get the next reveal with the stuff of the tag in the page but is in spanish but my native language is spanish so i will translate it:
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*Between the 23th and 24th of August-Nintendo Direct of September 13th: Isabelle ( Within 21 days)
*October 2nd-Smash Direct November 1st: Ken, Incineroar and Piranha Plant (Within a Month)
*August 2nd 2019-Nintendo Direct September 4th: Terry (Within a Month and 2 days)
*July 13th 2020-????: (Within ?????)
Conclusion: Each time the New tag is removed, a new character is revealed within 20 days to a month, so the next character should be announced between August 2 and August 15.


Pd: remember that on the 27th and the 3rd there is maintenance therefore, if this is real, on the 27th there would be a Partner Showcase and on the 3rd either a "Mr Sakurai Presents ???" as with Byleth or a general direct

Hold on, let's take this a step further. So a Smash reveal is implied for early August, how can we tie this in to what we already know? Well...

• Amiibo Theory, which has held true for all 7 DLC Characters thus far, still implies a Late September/Early October release for the next character, so if they are revealed at the start of August it will not be a Sakurai Presents. More interestingly, there's no way in hell they just drop a trailer on twitter for #7, so it has to be attatched to some kind of presentation.
• The "Partner Showcase" format being a recurring thing for the foreseeable future as confirmed by Nintendo themselves carries the heavy implication that we ARE NOT getting a general direct for the rest of the year. Again, why hold multiple seperate events for third party announcements if you have a normal direct already planned, makes zero sense.
• So Normal Style General Directs are out of the picture, but obviously Nintendo still has to announce their Holiday line-up, I mean we have literally JACK right now in terms of upcoming first party releases. Well that just means Twitter Drops like Origami King right? Maaaybe? But I can't see Nintendo doing that for EVERY game they have coming out, they have to do a real event sometime. Being blunt, based on what has been said about the supposed cancelled Mario Event in April, the fact it didn't show up in the March mini for no reason, and it only being dropped once it actually went gold, tells me it was only shadowdropped out of necessity. I mean Nintendo is clearly capable of holding/creating presentations now, THEY JUST DID ONE.
• There's still stuff pointing towards a reveal happening soon. Nintendo's First Quarter Earnings Report goes out on August 6th, are they really going to tell investors that they have zero announced first-party games for the Holiday Season when both of their competitors are releasing brand new consoles this year? Not to mention, the general consensus appears to be on the idea that the 3D Mario ports are releasing in September to coincide with the anniversary, and A. I'm about 90% sure Japan requires games be announced 30 days before retail release for pre-orders and B. Nintendo's shortest reveal-release window is 5 weeks and that's for their casual stuff like Ring Fit. Revealing a game, even a collection like this only a month out feels like it's causing more of a hassle for everyone than it's worth, frustrating for retailers, probably leads to more leaks, you get the idea. So they have to announce that SOON, at the absolute latest by mid-August.
• Yet, despite that, we've established that Nintendo isn't going to hold a normal style direct due to the fact they are shoving third-parties into their own directs for the rest of the year it seems. So a first-party only direct/presentation? Well, if they were going to do that, why not just combine it with the third party stuff and make it a normal direct/mini? No, instead I'm thinking something a bit more specific, what about a Mario-focused mini direct? I mean, there's alot going on around him right now, the collection, 3D World, maybe sports, maybe MK9 but that probably isn't happening this year even if it is real, I'm sure there's some other spinoff they got in the pipeline right now, plus the whole anniversary thing in general which they still haven't officially announced even though all this merch clearly implies they are going to make it a big deal this year.

So wait, we have a Smash reveal implied for early August but a late September/early October release, yet no obvious presentation to reveal them in since general directs are clearly on-hold for the time being. At the same time, we have plenty implying some kind of first party announcement/s for early August, almost certainly revolving heavily or entirely around the 35th anniversary of Mario, but general directs are dead so they are either getting revealed through twitter shadowdrops, or some kind of first-party/Mario Focused mini direct.

Now combine the theories together, both heavily imply early August reveals, and go against the idea of random unannounced shadowdrops since they aren't going to do that with Smash. At the same time, the implication of no general directs means whatever presentation we would get would atleast focus heavily if not entirely on first parties, but based on what's implied to be releasing this year and more importantly very soon in September (as well as the fact that if they were doing a first-party mini direct why couldn't they just combine it with third party stuff and make a real mini), the evidence points more towards a more Mario focused presentation or one entirely focused on him and the Anniversary. But wait, what about Smash then? It's too bad there isn't some Mario character that has a very strong amount of evidence pointing towards them not only being part of the Fighter's Pass, but coming within the first-half, nooope. Not a single character I can think of.

 

[cmbsfm]

I don’t know why, and hopefully I’m wrong for the fans of him here, but Chief just seems like he’d be pretty out of place, both aesthetically and moveset. Kind of like Snake. (Which I also feel is out of place.)

I’m not against the idea, but if you told me 5 years ago to pick 25 characters I could see fitting into Smash, without any 1st/3rd party restrictions, Chief wouldn’t be one of them.

Again, I know he’s insanely popular, important to XBox, and is as fair game as any, but I would legitimately be surprised. While I don’t think Steve is that much more likely, I can at least picture that. I think either would end up being fun, but yeah.

Maybe I just feel like the more traditional wacky and colorful characters fit into Smash better, but that’s just personal bias.

Out of place? You do realize one of the biggest selling points of this game is to bring in characters from contrasting backgrounds. Would you prefer if it just happy-go-lucky,colorful, or anime characters?

 

[Izanagi97]

I can't believe Papa Genos bought into this "The Leakers are just like us" meme. Really dude? You think after the Sabi thing that the first warning sign of someone's credibility being destroyed he'd disassociate from talking about these people.

"They're taking a risk by sharing this information with us." He's pretending like these people are patron saints and aren't just doing it to make themselves important in a small pond.

Sabi is not comparable to these other dudes. Some of them genuinely want to give people info, even if some may be a bit arrogant about it as well. Sabi was just mooching off of others and pretending to be someone he wasn’t to feed his ego, and was a terrible person in general.

That reminds, does he still keep in contact with Sabi (since I know they used to talk to each other quite a bit... I think) or are they no longer on speaking terms after that Google Doc on Sabi got published

 

[QQS]

How many of you will main 100% Geno? I’m on that list. I’m a projectile/distance guy since my first Smash when I was 9 years old (Smash 64 in 1999).

My Mains are Toon Link & Mega Man. There aren’t other characters I’m good at as I am with those two. Toon Link since Brawl and Mega Man since Wii U have been my all time partners in this game (also in general cause Zelda and Mega Man are my 2 favorites franchises outside of Smash). Back in the days of 64 and Melee I think I was a lot a Samus/Link/Young Link guy.

Now in Ultimate even if I tried with Samus, Young Link or others, no one will ever reach my 2 mains in Ultimate: Toon and Mega Man. I consider my secondary there: Pac-Man. That being said, Geno will also be a distance/projectile/timed hits guy, so he will completely fit my style in Smash. Also Geno is my other childhood hero since I was a kid in 1996, that’s why he is my most wanted right now and I will consider myself done and grateful when he makes in.

Finally, I believe Geno is going to be revealed as a playable character in the next months 100% and he will bring so much good material to Smash: design, music, stage and moveset.

Are you going to main Geno? Are you going to put Geno equal or even superior to your all time mains? I will try Geno to be equal or even greater as my All Times: Toon Link & Mega Man. Though I love Geno, that won’t be an easy quest because I have Toon and Mega Man written in my DNA at this point. But I will do my best everyday to reach that level also with our boy. (I’m not a profesional player, just a very passionate one since Smash 64, playing since ancient times with my friends, and within this Virus, online in Ultimate).

Im so glad that Geno will be a wish to all of us and not only he will have an amazing design and Challenger Pack, he will also bring a fresh and fun moveset to Smash, and a proper one to my skills in Smash.

 

[Griselda]

How many of you will main 100% Geno? I’m on that list. I’m a projectile/distance guy since my first Smash when I was 9 years old (Smash 64 in 1999).

My Mains are Toon Link & Mega Man. There aren’t other characters I’m good at as I am with those two. Toon Link since Brawl and Mega Man since Wii U have been my all time partners in this game (also in general cause Zelda and Mega Man are my 2 favorites franchises outside of Smash). Back in the days of 64 and Melee I think I was a lot a Samus/Link/Young Link guy.

Now in Ultimate even if I tried with Samus, Young Link or others, no one will ever reach my 2 mains in Ultimate: Toon and Mega Man. I consider my secondary there: Pac-Man. That being said, Geno will also be a distance/projectile/timed hits guy, so he will completely fit my style in Smash. Also Geno is my other childhood hero since I was a kid in 1996, that’s why he is my most wanted right now and I will consider myself done and grateful when he makes in.

Finally, I believe Geno is going to be revealed as a playable character in the next months 100% and he will bring so much good material to Smash: design, music, stage and moveset.

Are you going to main Geno? Are you going to put Geno equal or even superior to your all time mains? I will try Geno to be equal or even greater as my All Times: Toon Link & Mega Man. Though I love Geno, that won’t be an easy quest because I have Toon and Mega Man written in my DNA at this point. But I will do my best everyday to reach that level also with our boy. (I’m not a profesional player, just a very passionate one since Smash 64, playing since ancient times with my friends, and within this Virus, online in Ultimate).

Im so glad that Geno will be a wish to all of us and not only he will have an amazing design and Challenger Pack, he will also bring a fresh and fun moveset to Smash, and a proper one to my skills in Smash.

I'll probably always fall back on Link and Zelda as the ones I'm most used to and comfortable with, but Geno is definitely going to be up there in terms of characters I use more than any others, just because of who he is. Besides having movesets I like, I play characters because I like them and the series they come from, more than anything else.

On a related note, I'd be rather curious about testing my skills against yours in a Geno mirror match (after we've had a little while to figure him out, of course). I mean, I don't currently have Switch online, but if SMRPG comes there along with Geno's release, that'll change anyway.

 

[Droodle]

I don’t know why, and hopefully I’m wrong for the fans of him here, but Chief just seems like he’d be pretty out of place, both aesthetically and moveset. Kind of like Snake. (Which I also feel is out of place.)

I’m not against the idea, but if you told me 5 years ago to pick 25 characters I could see fitting into Smash, without any 1st/3rd party restrictions, Chief wouldn’t be one of them.

Again, I know he’s insanely popular, important to XBox, and is as fair game as any, but I would legitimately be surprised. While I don’t think Steve is that much more likely, I can at least picture that. I think either would end up being fun, but yeah.

Maybe I just feel like the more traditional wacky and colorful characters fit into Smash better, but that’s just personal bias.

As someone who said Master Chief is unlikely earlier today...

This ain't it, Chief.

 

[TX-55]

How many of you will main 100% Geno? I’m on that list. I’m a projectile/distance guy since my first Smash when I was 9 years old (Smash 64 in 1999).

My Mains are Toon Link & Mega Man. There aren’t other characters I’m good at as I am with those two. Toon Link since Brawl and Mega Man since Wii U have been my all time partners in this game (also in general cause Zelda and Mega Man are my 2 favorites franchises outside of Smash). Back in the days of 64 and Melee I think I was a lot a Samus/Link/Young Link guy.

Now in Ultimate even if I tried with Samus, Young Link or others, no one will ever reach my 2 mains in Ultimate: Toon and Mega Man. I consider my secondary there: Pac-Man. That being said, Geno will also be a distance/projectile/timed hits guy, so he will completely fit my style in Smash. Also Geno is my other childhood hero since I was a kid in 1996, that’s why he is my most wanted right now and I will consider myself done and grateful when he makes in.

Finally, I believe Geno is going to be revealed as a playable character in the next months 100% and he will bring so much good material to Smash: design, music, stage and moveset.

Are you going to main Geno? Are you going to put Geno equal or even superior to your all time mains? I will try Geno to be equal or even greater as my All Times: Toon Link & Mega Man. Though I love Geno, that won’t be an easy quest because I have Toon and Mega Man written in my DNA at this point. But I will do my best everyday to reach that level also with our boy. (I’m not a profesional player, just a very passionate one since Smash 64, playing since ancient times with my friends, and within this Virus, online in Ultimate).

Im so glad that Geno will be a wish to all of us and not only he will have an amazing design and Challenger Pack, he will also bring a fresh and fun moveset to Smash, and a proper one to my skills in Smash.

My mains are Ganondorf and Snake.
Wario, Hero, Simon, and Terry are secondaries.
But I enjoy playing as 30+ characters, and Geno would probably be in that same group for me.
So we'll see, maybe he'll become one of my secondaries.

 

[MattOnwheels]

I'm sure this has been discussed, but do you all think Geno will have a voice when he gets revealed? I always imagined he'd be like Mewtwo in Melee, with silent "Whispers" like "Hh! Hnn! Ha!" ect. Almost mute, but not quite. For his personality, I've always imagined him like Kurama from Yu Yu Hakusho:

He's smarter than most "Mortal" people, possessing knowledge they could never understand. Dutiful, bound by honor and very caring for those he protects, but also soft-spoken and no nonsense. He strikes me as someone with a strict moral code who wouldn't really laugh at a joke so much as he would smile like the picture above and say to himself, "Hmm, that's indeed humorous, Mario! Now. Let us get back to the task at hand. Our enemies are surely not far behind."

What say all of you?

 

[Griselda]

I'm sure this has been discussed, but do you all think Geno will have a voice when he gets revealed? I always imagined he'd be like Mewtwo in Melee, with silent "Whispers" like "Hh! Hnn! Ha!" ect. Almost mute, but not quite. For his personality, I've always imagined him like Kurama from Yu Yu Hakusho:

He's smarter than most "Mortal" people, possessing knowledge they could never understand. Dutiful, bound by honor and very caring for those he protects, but also soft-spoken and no nonsense. He strikes me as someone with a strict moral code who wouldn't really laugh at a joke so much as he would smile like the picture above and say to himself, "Hmm, that's indeed humorous, Mario! Now. Let us get back to the task at hand. Our enemies are surely not far behind."

What say all of you?

My interpretation of Geno isn't quite the refined and wisened sage type that I've seen many others see him as. He knows more about the inner workings of wish-granting and otherworldly elements than Mario does, but he's also almost as prone to over-the-top reactions as everyone else in SMRPG. When trying to stop Bowyer, he says, "Hey! Chill out!" A lot of his other quotes also give off a much more grounded and down-to-earth vibe than I see him portrayed with a lot in fan works: "Come on! Let's get this show on the road." "Take your best shot!"

And let's not forget that when he finally reaches the one responsible for all of the chaos, he shouts out "Yo, Smithy!"

 

[Jurae818]

As I was jogging around the neighborhood twenty minutes ago at the time of starting this post, I decided to brainstorm a bit and look back at my last post and realized I forgot to mention something that really drives home my point about the claims of being entitled and ungrateful.

As a consumer, you are entitled to the very best product that you are being sold. If there is a person who is selling you a product, you have every right to analyze and review it as you see fit. If simple critique is considered entitlement, so be it. We should not be thankful that Sakurai is working hard to give us more characters, Sakurai should be thankful that people are willing to buy what it is he is putting out. This is going to be controversial, but I don’t care. We, the consumers and the players are the bread and butter to Sakurai’s games and by extension, himself. Potential newcomers to your product are always a good thing, but it is not a wise decision to scorn your bread and butter by any means, even if it’s as a joke. For all of the claims of Sakurai working hard and not being able to rest, he doesn't have an issue with putting a price tag on his hard work. That alone makes any claim of you, the consumer being entitled and ungrateful null. Your hard-earned money has value, it can't be squandered so easily.

Melee is a hot button topic for the fact that it still has a presence in this day and age and often surpasses Ultimate in discussion and competitive play. Let me be the first to say if any other developer pulled a Brawl and reduced the amount of features and tech from the previous installment, that series would not only be dead, but the developers out of a job. Playing Melee does not invalidate Ultimate and the people who still prefer Melee over Ultimate are entitled to do so. A big roster won’t always cut it. Melee definitely did more with less and had a stronger presentation. Some people find that an accomplishment in itself. Some people may not find an appeal to having Sonic, Mega Man, Ryu and Cloud in the same game or Melee wouldn't be played as much as it is today in tournaments if the example given was all it took.

And that brings me to the next point relating to Geno and many others: I’ve been told many a time that I should be thankful or happy that some of my favorite characters, let alone wanted newcomers in Smash are still images or assist trophies. In the case of assists, Bomberman was the one character I wanted to play as since 2006. Seeing him as an assist broke my heart and I was not about to accept that. Even worse that some assists trophies can’t appear on certain stages. The number is minuscule and the reasons are just but consider that the Devil and Squid Sisters can’t appear in a chunk of the stages, around 60-ish. Imagine getting your favorite character as an assist and then finding out they can’t appear in over half the game’s stages.

The fact that they can be turned off like items only invalidates their purpose. You can’t turn off characters on the roster, but you can turn off assists like it was nothing. As much as the whole concept of spirits pissed me off, assist trophies still rub me off the wrong way, because it was stated that only the most dedicated of fans will notice them, implying that the core gamers who would play the game in the first place would notice them, and the non-gamers who the rosters of the last three games have pandered to predominately would not.

Wouldn’t the most dedicated of fans be the ones who would WANT those characters playable? This was in 2007, so I know the kids then IE myself was not having this mindset. Consider that Solid Snake was pushed as a newcomer. Now imagine an item coming in that only serves as a glorified cameo and getting your favorite characters regulated to that role. And to top it off, they have the nerve to get rid of regular trophies but keep the one trophy a fair amount of people have dreaded since 2013 and the spirits don’t even have descriptions, nor can you make a fun scrapbook like you could with stickers. Stickers of all things have more incentive to collect than spirits. Wow.

So, yeah. Overall, while I’ve been vocal about my praise for Sakurai for doing a few things right, there are things that I feel he is doing wrong and as a customer who purchased his hard work for $60+, I will continue to express my disdain and critique on anything I see fit. And that is okay. For those who still want Geno and are not satisfied with his spirit, keep at it. If he gets in and you have an issue with how he plays or whatnot, that is okay. You are allowed to critique said issues. You are not ungrateful because you gave constructive criticism to something that you wanted. Being ungrateful would be along the lines of “He’s in but it’s too little, too late, I’m not buying it.”. The fact that you brought the character and are giving your personal thoughts on him, be it good or bad shows that you are doing what is innate as a consumer. And that is not a bad thing. I brought Byleth technically thanks to that pass and that needs no explanation, even if he was 'free'.

If Geno’s costume returns and not him and you’re not happy about it, that’s okay too. In fact, I support your decision to protest against it 100%. Why settle for less when you can always receive more than what you got? And lastly, don’t let the haters and detractors get under your skin. I mentioned this in the past, schadenfreude is very popular in the Smash fanbase and one of the best examples of that was when the anti-Ridley/K. Rool/Banjo factions had to eat their goose when they were revealed. You reap what you sow. The ones who taunt you now will have to face that same scrutiny eventually, tread softly.



It’s been fifteen years since I’ve played Super Mario RPG, I should probably give it another go.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

I'm sure this has been discussed, but do you all think Geno will have a voice when he gets revealed? I always imagined he'd be like Mewtwo in Melee, with silent "Whispers" like "Hh! Hnn! Ha!" ect. Almost mute, but not quite. For his personality, I've always imagined him like Kurama from Yu Yu Hakusho:

He's smarter than most "Mortal" people, possessing knowledge they could never understand. Dutiful, bound by honor and very caring for those he protects, but also soft-spoken and no nonsense. He strikes me as someone with a strict moral code who wouldn't really laugh at a joke so much as he would smile like the picture above and say to himself, "Hmm, that's indeed humorous, Mario! Now. Let us get back to the task at hand. Our enemies are surely not far behind."

What say all of you?

There's a few voice actors that I think would suit Geno really well.

One of them is Keith Silverstein. He's already done voicework for Ultimate as the voice of Simon Belmont, but I could easily see him voicing Geno, using a voice similar to the one he did for Robert E. O. Speedwagon in the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure english dub...

Another one is Max Mittelman, who's done a lot of voice acting work in general. Here's a clip of the One-Punch Man english dub (where Mittelman is the voice of the main character, Saitama), as an example of how I'd imagine Geno as voiced by Mittelman...

 

[MattOnwheels]

My interpretation of Geno isn't quite the refined and wisened sage type that I've seen many others see him as. He knows more about the inner workings of wish-granting and otherworldly elements than Mario does, but he's also almost as prone to over-the-top reactions as everyone else in SMRPG. When trying to stop Bowyer, he says, "Hey! Chill out!" A lot of his other quotes also give off a much more grounded and down-to-earth vibe than I see him portrayed with a lot in fan works: "Come on! Let's get this show on the road." "Take your best shot!"

And let's not forget that when he finally reaches the one responsible for all of the chaos, he shouts out "Yo, Smithy!"

Yes, but I feel like those lines are more or less dialog choices based on the time period the game was made rather than what he was overall intended to be as a character or how he'd be portrayed in modern times. I almost see those lines as instances of him trying to "Fit in" with the locals and coming off as forced because he's out of his element. Those things are almost certainly not things he would normally say in his own realm. At least, not if we were to portray him as true to his character archetype as possible. I honestly can't see him saying those things regularly, It makes him too Sonic-esque for what he's designed to be, "I serve a (totally tubular) higher authority, man!" doesn't have the same oomf to it, does it?

There's a few voice actors that I think would suit Geno really well.

One of them is Keith Silverstein. He's already done voicework for Ultimate as the voice of Simon Belmont, but I could easily see him voicing Geno, using a voice similar to the one he did for Robert E. O. Speedwagon in the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure english dub...

Another one is Max Mittelman, who's done a lot of voice acting work in general. Here's a clip of the One-Punch Man english dub (where Mittelman is the voice of the main character, Saitama), as an example of how I'd imagine Geno as voiced by Mittelman...

I don't know if i'd see Geno with a British accent or with Saitama's grit, but I do think he'd have charisma if he spoke. One thing to note: He IS a rather small doll, and a puppet to boot. I would give him a very slight high end to his voice. Perhaps akin to Jason Marsden as Chase Young from Xiaolin Showdown:

 

[QQS]

I'll probably always fall back on Link and Zelda as the ones I'm most used to and comfortable with, but Geno is definitely going to be up there in terms of characters I use more than any others, just because of who he is. Besides having movesets I like, I play characters because I like them and the series they come from, more than anything else.

On a related note, I'd be rather curious about testing my skills against yours in a Geno mirror match (after we've had a little while to figure him out, of course). I mean, I don't currently have Switch online, but if SMRPG comes there along with Geno's release, that'll change anyway.

Yes of course. Actually would love to play online right now with someone (not right now but I mean these days). Also of course the match you say, you’re welcome.

 

[Griselda]

Yes, but I feel like those lines are more or less dialog choices based on the time period the game was made rather than what he was overall intended to be as a character or how he'd be portrayed in modern times. I almost see those lines as instances of him trying to "Fit in" with the locals and coming off as forced because he's out of his element. Those things are almost certainly not things he would normally say in his own realm. At least, not if we were to portray him as true to his character archetype as possible. I honestly can't see him saying those things regularly, It makes him too Sonic-esque for what he's designed to be, "I serve a (totally tubular) higher authority, man!" doesn't have the same oomf to it, does it?

I disagree. I feel that he was designed to be a 'cool' sort of character before anything else (he's practically made of guns and rockets and shoots laser beams), but I'm perfectly alright with you having your own interpretation. A part of what makes Geno special is that he means something different but equally valid to all of his fans.

..I feel like Sakurai might go for a different angle than either of our interpretations, though. See, he seems to have this odd thing about non-human fighters playing up that aspect a bit more than perhaps they should, hence Bowser/DK/K. Rool being more feral than usual and Megaman not being anywhere near as emotive and human-like as he is in his own series. I hope he doesn't, but he could very well make Geno silent save for generic wooden doll sounds.

 

[MattOnwheels]

I disagree. I feel that he was designed to be a 'cool' sort of character before anything else (he's practically made of guns and rockets and shoots laser beams), but I'm perfectly alright with you having your own interpretation. A part of what makes Geno special is that he means something different but equally valid to all of his fans.

..I feel like Sakurai might go for a different angle than either of our interpretations, though. See, he seems to have this odd thing about non-human fighters playing up that aspect a bit more than perhaps they should, hence Bowser/DK/K. Rool being more feral than usual and Megaman not being anywhere near as emotive and human-like as he is in his own series. I hope he doesn't, but he could very well make Geno silent save for generic wooden doll sounds.

I understand your point, but him being cool for his weaponry and cool for having "Tude" are two different things. I could see him having a bit of snark towards a lesser opponent, but not enough to be TOO brash. Besides, his form was chosen for strength reasons. I feel like to him the strategy and effectiveness is more important and the gun power is merely because of his natural star spirit magic.

I could see him being silent as well.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Can I just say that I think people are too hung up on the idea of promotional characters specifically being used to support products? As demonstrated with Banjo and Terry it's also about commemorating partnerships with other developers which is where I think Geno would fit in. I get that we WILL get more promotional characters but I don't think they'll all be promotional in the sense of pushing products if this pass is to be anything like the last one.

As for Steve vs Chief the truth of the matter it could easily go either or neither way (with a small chance for both ways). Kind of like Dragon Quest needed more presence in the west, Halo needs more presence outside the west so using Chief as a springboard to draw new players in is a wise choice for Microsoft especially if Banjo already helped get some Switch players to buy an Xbox One. Chief is also clearly the Microsoft icon and having the icon of one of your biggest competitors (even if you don't recognize them as such) is a huge deal. Compare that to basically the biggest game in the world which Steve would represent. Steve would commemorate the relationships that brought Minecraft and other Microsoft content to Switch owners as well as celebrate arguably the biggest game in history. As others have stated, it could be a matter of who started talking to Nintendo first or what Nintendo's priorities are. It's an odd scenario all around for Chief imo. I can totally see Nintendo being all over Chief if MCC is really coming to Switch but then that doesn't really make sense for Microsoft to do and then having your flagship franchise on the Switch only gives Smash players incentive to buy that opposed to an Xbox or gaming PC. And if MCC isn't coming to Switch I think Nintendo still has plenty of incentive to add Chief for the wow factor of it being a competitors literal mascot, but I can't imagine they'd be as interested in Chief in this situation as they'd be in Steve. I actually think Steve's chances are slightly higher because there's no scenario where it isnt equally good for both companies for the character to be in Smash but it's a close race. Overall though I am unsure that we are even getting another Microsoft rep. It truly is a wait and see thing.

 

[QQS]

Smash Ultímate Age Chart by flipper_roll on Twitter.

Can you guess which character from 1996 is joining that 1996-Square soon?

 

[MattOnwheels]

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Smash Ultímate Age Chart by flipper_roll on Twitter.

Can you guess which character from 1996 is joining that 1996-Square soon?

CRASH BANDICOOT?! =D

 

[Deleted member]

How many of you will main 100% Geno? I’m on that list. I’m a projectile/distance guy since my first Smash when I was 9 years old (Smash 64 in 1999).

My Mains are Toon Link & Mega Man. There aren’t other characters I’m good at as I am with those two. Toon Link since Brawl and Mega Man since Wii U have been my all time partners in this game (also in general cause Zelda and Mega Man are my 2 favorites franchises outside of Smash). Back in the days of 64 and Melee I think I was a lot a Samus/Link/Young Link guy.

Now in Ultimate even if I tried with Samus, Young Link or others, no one will ever reach my 2 mains in Ultimate: Toon and Mega Man. I consider my secondary there: Pac-Man. That being said, Geno will also be a distance/projectile/timed hits guy, so he will completely fit my style in Smash. Also Geno is my other childhood hero since I was a kid in 1996, that’s why he is my most wanted right now and I will consider myself done and grateful when he makes in.

Finally, I believe Geno is going to be revealed as a playable character in the next months 100% and he will bring so much good material to Smash: design, music, stage and moveset.

Are you going to main Geno? Are you going to put Geno equal or even superior to your all time mains? I will try Geno to be equal or even greater as my All Times: Toon Link & Mega Man. Though I love Geno, that won’t be an easy quest because I have Toon and Mega Man written in my DNA at this point. But I will do my best everyday to reach that level also with our boy. (I’m not a profesional player, just a very passionate one since Smash 64, playing since ancient times with my friends, and within this Virus, online in Ultimate).

Im so glad that Geno will be a wish to all of us and not only he will have an amazing design and Challenger Pack, he will also bring a fresh and fun moveset to Smash, and a proper one to my skills in Smash.

Wario is my solo main, and I use Wolf as a secondary. I also play as K. Rool, Greninja, and Mii Swordfighter (aka Hat Kid). Wario's my main because, well, he's Wario and he's the greatest of all time, so Geno I'd likely have a few matches using him, and then fight against him a few matches to get an idea of what it's like to fight him.

 

[Spatulo]

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Smash Ultímate Age Chart by flipper_roll on Twitter.

Can you guess which character from 1996 is joining that 1996-Square soon?

My brain is trying to process the fact that Super Mario RPG and Pokémon came out in the same year

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

How many of you will main 100% Geno? I’m on that list. I’m a projectile/distance guy since my first Smash when I was 9 years old (Smash 64 in 1999).

My Mains are Toon Link & Mega Man. There aren’t other characters I’m good at as I am with those two. Toon Link since Brawl and Mega Man since Wii U have been my all time partners in this game (also in general cause Zelda and Mega Man are my 2 favorites franchises outside of Smash). Back in the days of 64 and Melee I think I was a lot a Samus/Link/Young Link guy.

Now in Ultimate even if I tried with Samus, Young Link or others, no one will ever reach my 2 mains in Ultimate: Toon and Mega Man. I consider my secondary there: Pac-Man. That being said, Geno will also be a distance/projectile/timed hits guy, so he will completely fit my style in Smash. Also Geno is my other childhood hero since I was a kid in 1996, that’s why he is my most wanted right now and I will consider myself done and grateful when he makes in.

Finally, I believe Geno is going to be revealed as a playable character in the next months 100% and he will bring so much good material to Smash: design, music, stage and moveset.

Are you going to main Geno? Are you going to put Geno equal or even superior to your all time mains? I will try Geno to be equal or even greater as my All Times: Toon Link & Mega Man. Though I love Geno, that won’t be an easy quest because I have Toon and Mega Man written in my DNA at this point. But I will do my best everyday to reach that level also with our boy. (I’m not a profesional player, just a very passionate one since Smash 64, playing since ancient times with my friends, and within this Virus, online in Ultimate).

Im so glad that Geno will be a wish to all of us and not only he will have an amazing design and Challenger Pack, he will also bring a fresh and fun moveset to Smash, and a proper one to my skills in Smash.

Im gonna try, but there's no telling, characters i play have little rhymne or reason, the just "feel good"