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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior
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Geno Boost
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this is why i dont over hype myself i am prepared for all of types of outcomes so i dont end up being dissapointed or think about leaks and rumors
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Firox
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The best takeaway I can see from the video:
"There can be no true despair without hope."
A little morbid, but so true. If Sakurai were to flat out say "Geno's not getting in", I'd be bummed but simply move on. The fact that Geno's chances look so good are what make the wait and potential shaft so agonizing.
Springwood Slasher
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Who’s (responsibly) hyped for tomorrow?
Even if we don’t hear about Smash, we will finally (hopefully, most likely) have some fun games to look forward to for the rest of 2020! Nintendo surely can’t hold out much longer.
Also - I am of the camp that when there’s smoke, there’s fire. The Geno talk has REALLY ramped up in the past week. There’s clearly been some chatter about him amongst people, and whether they are reliable or not, it seems coincidental with all of the previous evidence outlined by the Old Guard in this thread.
somethings gotta give, you guys. (And if he ends up not being CP7, well....then we wait another few months for 8 and reassess his likelihood).
Even if we don’t hear about Smash, we will finally (hopefully, most likely) have some fun games to look forward to for the rest of 2020! Nintendo surely can’t hold out much longer.
Also - I am of the camp that when there’s smoke, there’s fire. The Geno talk has REALLY ramped up in the past week. There’s clearly been some chatter about him amongst people, and whether they are reliable or not, it seems coincidental with all of the previous evidence outlined by the Old Guard in this thread.
somethings gotta give, you guys. (And if he ends up not being CP7, well....then we wait another few months for 8 and reassess his likelihood).
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There is something suspicious going on! It's...
It's....
It's the weekend. They never tweet even the most rudimentary **** on the weekend.
Geno Boost
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i wouldnt say another Konami rep is out of possibilities even without Bomberman since they still have huge icon character which is Frogger he is even more recognizable than Goemon
of course i would prefer Bomberman but Frogger is still a big valid option out there, he is Konami's Pac-man
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WeirdChillFever
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Except,..I think Nintendo UK did tweet today
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Given that this is likely the direct where they show off their E3 content there are pretty likely going to be big announcements, including at least one Smash reveal.
Summer is almost over and there just isn't a better time for them to reveal their E3 content so I'm really not buying that we're going the entire year without characters or even that we're not getting FP7 revealed in the direct
Summer is almost over and there just isn't a better time for them to reveal their E3 content so I'm really not buying that we're going the entire year without characters or even that we're not getting FP7 revealed in the direct
vivala
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There's been a lot of "What is Nintendo doing??" sentiment with regards to their announcement schedule, so for funsies I decided to think of a reasonable explanation that gives them the benefit of the doubt. It probably isn't perfect, and I'd still say they could've done a much better job, but I think this explanation is more satisfying than "Nintendo's marketing department is full of idiots
Part 1: The Pre-Pandemic Gap
So first and foremost, we need to know why Nintendo's announcements were relatively lacking, even before the pandemic. I think this could be due to two main factors:
1. Lost/Delayed Big Titles: Between the loss of Retro's last project, the delays in Metroid, Bayonetta, and Doom Eternal for Switch, and BoTW2's announcement trailer possibly being from very early in development, Animal Crossing was probably Nintendo's only big game for early 2020. Okay cool, so why not share more plans for later in 2020 then? Well...
2. Big Push for Animal Crossing: New Leaf was already a huge seller, but with New Horizons, Nintendo had an opportunity to elevate Animal Crossing to a Mario/Zelda-tier franchise. And since no big games were coming out around then anyways, it made sense to keep quiet on late 2020 releases and focus their marketing on Animal Crossing, like how they approached Odyssey, BoTW or Smash. And it's not like they had nothing else, since Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, SwSh DLC, Smash DLC, and FE3H DLC were all happening. They were big enough to hopefully keep us busy, but not so big that they'd detract from ACNH. So that was the plan: stay silent about the huge late 2020 releases so Animal Crossing could dominate the market (and dominate it did!)
Xenoblade is maybe the biggest piece of evidence against this theory, but considering it's a remaster, I'd still say it falls into the category of "keeps fans satisfied, but doesn't detract from Animal Crossing."
According to this narrative, we should've gotten a big March/April direct to highlight later releases once AC was out. It probably would've included Paper Mario, Min Min, and maybe something like 3D World Deluxe. But right before New Horizons came out, the pandemic hit, which changed everything.
Part 2: Coronavirus & Caution
I'm willing to believe that the pandemic hasn't affected production in any significant way so far. Nintendo wouldn't outright lie to their investors like that. However, Nintendo did note at the start of the March Mini that the pandemic may alter release dates, suggesting that, while production hasn't been affected so far, Nintendo sees the situation as very unpredictable, and believes it has the potential to slow things down later on. And clearly in their mind, announcing a game before having it delayed indefinitely due to health concerns would end poorly.
Nintendo's strategy, then? Only announce games that are pretty much ready to release. That perfectly explains why Paper Mario was announced so close to its release date. It was likely almost, if not entirely complete upon announcement. Same goes for Clubhouse 51 and for Xenoblade getting its release date. It would also somewhat explain what Paper Mario was shadowdropped. Normally they'd save it for a direct, but it wasn't close enough to release in March, no other games were close enough to release when it was announced, and it was too close to release to push the announcement back without also delaying the release (and imagine how cranky we'd be if we had even fewer games right now).
There are some other announcements that don't fit this model, but that's because none of them are under Nintendo's control. In particular, big March Mini announcements like Bravely Default II are third party, and those companies have different strategies when it comes to advertising during a pandemic. Pokemon Snap and Pokemon League of Legends Version fall into the same category, since Nintendo doesn't actually control the Pokemon Company.
As for why they'd choose to shadowdrop the March Mini? I'm honestly not sure. I'd say it's so expectations didn't get too out of control, but that wouldn't say great things about tomorrow.
Part 3: Tomorrow For Sure
So where does this theory leave tomorrow's rumored direct? I have two interpretations:
Pessimistic: Like with March, they're shadowdropping because they don't have a ton to show and they don't want our expectations to get too high. We'll see one or two games that are set to come out in September, plus some Pokemon and third party news (though that last bit is questionable, with Nintendo supposedly asking companies to hold off on direct stuff until September).
Optimistic: It won't be a shadowdrop, is shadowdropping because it's meant to be a big, hype surprise, or is shadowdropping because Nintendo is Nintendo and they're not always great at reading the room. This is their E3 direct that's showing everything that was meant to come out after Animal Crossing, save for Paper Mario. Yes, that would go against the rule of only announcing games when they're basically done, but not only is the pandemic on the decline in Japan, but these are also (hopefully) games that are simply too hype to give only two months of advertising. If these are the system sellers that Fatmanonice hopes they are, then even a hyper-cautious Nintendo wouldn't be foolish enough to keep them hidden for so long.
Part 4: The Alternatives
So that's my theory! And to further try and argue that it's roughly true, I want to look at the alternative explanations for Nintendo's silence and how they make less sense from a business perspective. These aren't the only possibilities, but they're the sorts of things I've heard in this thread.
1. The pandemic is slowing production: Keep in mind that Nintendo told their investors things were fine. Lying to customers is one thing, but lying to your investors? That's the sort of thing that leads to people at the top leaving in disgrace. Now, it is possible that things started slowing down later, but considering that Nintendo has said nothing of the sort, and that other Japanese companies seem to be handling things fine suggests that nothing major has gone wrong with production.
2. This is basically all we're getting this year: This was probably the case through Animal Crossing, but to have Paper Mario, Pokemon Snap, and some DLC carry them through the rest of the year? Has Nintendo ever had a year like that, save for when one of their consoles is actively dying? Heck, even Nintendo's crappier E3 years leave us with much more than what we have right now.
3. Nintendo genuinely misunderstands fan demand: I mean, absolutely to an extent, but when planning out their games for 2020, they certainly wouldn't have been stupid enough to look at what we currently have and be like "Yup, that's enough!" No matter how tone deaf they are, they always try their best to have a decent E3 showing, and we haven't seen that yet.
Part 1: The Pre-Pandemic Gap
So first and foremost, we need to know why Nintendo's announcements were relatively lacking, even before the pandemic. I think this could be due to two main factors:
1. Lost/Delayed Big Titles: Between the loss of Retro's last project, the delays in Metroid, Bayonetta, and Doom Eternal for Switch, and BoTW2's announcement trailer possibly being from very early in development, Animal Crossing was probably Nintendo's only big game for early 2020. Okay cool, so why not share more plans for later in 2020 then? Well...
2. Big Push for Animal Crossing: New Leaf was already a huge seller, but with New Horizons, Nintendo had an opportunity to elevate Animal Crossing to a Mario/Zelda-tier franchise. And since no big games were coming out around then anyways, it made sense to keep quiet on late 2020 releases and focus their marketing on Animal Crossing, like how they approached Odyssey, BoTW or Smash. And it's not like they had nothing else, since Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, SwSh DLC, Smash DLC, and FE3H DLC were all happening. They were big enough to hopefully keep us busy, but not so big that they'd detract from ACNH. So that was the plan: stay silent about the huge late 2020 releases so Animal Crossing could dominate the market (and dominate it did!)
Xenoblade is maybe the biggest piece of evidence against this theory, but considering it's a remaster, I'd still say it falls into the category of "keeps fans satisfied, but doesn't detract from Animal Crossing."
According to this narrative, we should've gotten a big March/April direct to highlight later releases once AC was out. It probably would've included Paper Mario, Min Min, and maybe something like 3D World Deluxe. But right before New Horizons came out, the pandemic hit, which changed everything.
Part 2: Coronavirus & Caution
I'm willing to believe that the pandemic hasn't affected production in any significant way so far. Nintendo wouldn't outright lie to their investors like that. However, Nintendo did note at the start of the March Mini that the pandemic may alter release dates, suggesting that, while production hasn't been affected so far, Nintendo sees the situation as very unpredictable, and believes it has the potential to slow things down later on. And clearly in their mind, announcing a game before having it delayed indefinitely due to health concerns would end poorly.
Nintendo's strategy, then? Only announce games that are pretty much ready to release. That perfectly explains why Paper Mario was announced so close to its release date. It was likely almost, if not entirely complete upon announcement. Same goes for Clubhouse 51 and for Xenoblade getting its release date. It would also somewhat explain what Paper Mario was shadowdropped. Normally they'd save it for a direct, but it wasn't close enough to release in March, no other games were close enough to release when it was announced, and it was too close to release to push the announcement back without also delaying the release (and imagine how cranky we'd be if we had even fewer games right now).
There are some other announcements that don't fit this model, but that's because none of them are under Nintendo's control. In particular, big March Mini announcements like Bravely Default II are third party, and those companies have different strategies when it comes to advertising during a pandemic. Pokemon Snap and Pokemon League of Legends Version fall into the same category, since Nintendo doesn't actually control the Pokemon Company.
As for why they'd choose to shadowdrop the March Mini? I'm honestly not sure. I'd say it's so expectations didn't get too out of control, but that wouldn't say great things about tomorrow.
Part 3: Tomorrow For Sure
So where does this theory leave tomorrow's rumored direct? I have two interpretations:
Pessimistic: Like with March, they're shadowdropping because they don't have a ton to show and they don't want our expectations to get too high. We'll see one or two games that are set to come out in September, plus some Pokemon and third party news (though that last bit is questionable, with Nintendo supposedly asking companies to hold off on direct stuff until September).
Optimistic: It won't be a shadowdrop, is shadowdropping because it's meant to be a big, hype surprise, or is shadowdropping because Nintendo is Nintendo and they're not always great at reading the room. This is their E3 direct that's showing everything that was meant to come out after Animal Crossing, save for Paper Mario. Yes, that would go against the rule of only announcing games when they're basically done, but not only is the pandemic on the decline in Japan, but these are also (hopefully) games that are simply too hype to give only two months of advertising. If these are the system sellers that Fatmanonice hopes they are, then even a hyper-cautious Nintendo wouldn't be foolish enough to keep them hidden for so long.
Part 4: The Alternatives
So that's my theory! And to further try and argue that it's roughly true, I want to look at the alternative explanations for Nintendo's silence and how they make less sense from a business perspective. These aren't the only possibilities, but they're the sorts of things I've heard in this thread.
1. The pandemic is slowing production: Keep in mind that Nintendo told their investors things were fine. Lying to customers is one thing, but lying to your investors? That's the sort of thing that leads to people at the top leaving in disgrace. Now, it is possible that things started slowing down later, but considering that Nintendo has said nothing of the sort, and that other Japanese companies seem to be handling things fine suggests that nothing major has gone wrong with production.
2. This is basically all we're getting this year: This was probably the case through Animal Crossing, but to have Paper Mario, Pokemon Snap, and some DLC carry them through the rest of the year? Has Nintendo ever had a year like that, save for when one of their consoles is actively dying? Heck, even Nintendo's crappier E3 years leave us with much more than what we have right now.
3. Nintendo genuinely misunderstands fan demand: I mean, absolutely to an extent, but when planning out their games for 2020, they certainly wouldn't have been stupid enough to look at what we currently have and be like "Yup, that's enough!" No matter how tone deaf they are, they always try their best to have a decent E3 showing, and we haven't seen that yet.
Well everyone knows the UK does not count for anything!
TheCJBrine
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Weird; I could’ve sworn they tweeted yesterday and during past weekends, but you’re right.
I guess we’re getting a mini direct, a shadowdropped full direct, or insiders were off and it’s an announcement for Tuesday.
Though Sakurai’s Min Min presentation was announced on a Sunday iirc, but maybe that was something else and was probably just on the NintendoVS account.
MrJudd
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Since we're bound for a character reveal, time to post this video again:
PS: I had made this video a while back, before Min Min was revealed, hence it being named "ARMS rep" still and the presence of Heihachi and Vault Boy in the cast.
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WeirdChillFever
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Mario 35th collection might not be as hype to us as it is, but I think revealing that is enough as a sign of life for the holidays. Then they could for the rest gear up for September to fill out their holiday/spring line-up in a real big Direct. Tomorrow doesn't have to be all-or-nothing, it can be hype without being everything in the rumour mill ever. Reveal a Challenger Pack for Smash, talk a little Pokémon DLC, show what Mario 35th is and that's an above par Direct. Then third parties can join the big guns in September.
Theguy123
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Dunno why everyone expects a direct. I think we’ll get some sort of news this week but didn’t they recently say in an interview that there weren’t no plans for a direct any time soon and that they’d be continuing to post game news the way they did with paper mario
that and there were rumours (dunno if it was confirmed) that Nintendo told 3rd party companies to not send anything to them until September or just announce it themselves.
I feel like people are setting themselves up for disappointment but I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong.
that and there were rumours (dunno if it was confirmed) that Nintendo told 3rd party companies to not send anything to them until September or just announce it themselves.
I feel like people are setting themselves up for disappointment but I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong.
RingJ5
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A bunch of insiders have all specifically said that we’re getting a Direct this week, and most have agreed on the 20th. Since we haven’t seen the announcement yet, it’s more then likely another Mini.
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pinshadow
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Seriously, even Gamexplain has not only reported the rumor, but hinted at it themselves and even did a god damn discussion on it, they wouldn't be backing it this hard unless they were sure it was happening.
I'd set alarms for around 7:00AM PST tommorrow and go straight to Nintendo's youtube page. I don't understand Nintendo's absolute insanity where they feel the need to announce a Paper Mario livestream with a Bakugan reveal a day in advance but will just shadowdrop a mini at 7 in the morning with no warning but WHATEVER.
RichieGonzo
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You guys think it's a possibility we'll get the announcement for a full direct tomorrow, and have the full thing on Tuesday? It doesn't seem right to shadow drop a direct unless it's a mini and I swear if all we get tomorrow is a mini I'm gonna go psycho.
MisterMike
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This. Speaking of, as of right now, I've been playing Majora's Mask 3D with the restoration mod on
If everyone is saying the 20th, I'm willing to believe them.
domriver
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Anyone taking the 20th might be announcement for a direct instead?
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I decided to take some time and write down how I would picture Geno's trailer going like if he does get in.
Bear in mind that for Geno I am heavily considering a dual reveal as It matches with something else I am considering for Fighter Pass 2:
Bear in mind that for Geno I am heavily considering a dual reveal as It matches with something else I am considering for Fighter Pass 2:
vivala
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Nah this is just like March. Everyone doubted Jeff Grubb because there was no announcement. People started wondering if he was off by a day or so, but he stuck to it, and lo and behold: it was exactly when he claimed it would be.
Icewolff92
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Ain't this guy an insider that is pretty much hit or miss?
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RingJ5
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Again, not at this point. Too many people are specifically pointing to the 20th, and Kelios is already known for his track record with the March 26th Mini that he got, like, over a month in advance.
cmbsfm
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I don’t think he’s credible:
https://mobile.twitter.com/connoreatspants/status/980101911587192833?s=21
I found the tweet he was replying, those are predictions. He's also just a video game journalist according to his Twitter profile.
snowgolem
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How do you guys feel about the direct tomorrow?
I would hate for them to just shadow drop it, but it looks like that’s what is happening if it actually does happen tomorrow.
So do you guys really think it’s still happening?
I would hate for them to just shadow drop it, but it looks like that’s what is happening if it actually does happen tomorrow.
So do you guys really think it’s still happening?
Fatmanonice
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Thinking on it, it's probably another shadowdrop and that's technically... Fair? Think about it... The quality of livestreams depend entirely on your connection while videos are more standard across the board. "What about spoilers?" Somebody always gets screwed in the end no matter the presentation. It's literally impossible to do a presentation time that's convenient for everyone around the world. Most of us are adults so, truth be told, most of us are at work or deadass asleep when these things roll out. There's been a number of times I had to sneak away at work for like five minutes before my lead would bullhorn me on the radio about helping out with something. It sucks and there's likely going to be some bombshells but, in a weird way, this is actually the most fair way they could go about it.
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Icewolff92
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He hinted towards Crash a couple of days ago prior though if you check his profile
The Crash claim was 2 years ago though. It could be real now.
Powerman293
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Since June when this would have normally happened, I played from start to finish FF7 original, FF7 Remake, and I spent 10 hours beating Xenoblade 1 on Wii. And there's still no Direct after I beat 3 JRPGs.
*Internal screaming*
Let Geno Smash
Smash Ace
Marcus Sellars...
COME ON, we are better than this. He said that CP7 will be Bigby from The Wolf Amoung Us. A telltale Rep in Smash. That don't make sense
Ha has said that Crash will be in since base game. He is a Fraud
cmbsfm
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I took my lunch break during E3 last year to watch the direct lol. I’m working virtual now so I can just get away with having the stream playing while working haha.
Vector Victor
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'Enjoy playing the NES Mario games again but now as a Toad! Because people kept mentioning Toads in the recent Paper Mario games, so that means they love Toads, right?'
Icewolff92
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Weren´t that an April fools joke though?
Let Geno Smash
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I don't know. He sound "serious"
MisterMike
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As I said earlier, if everyone is saying the 20th, I'm willing to believe them. And speaking of this Direct I think, if it's actually happening tomorrow, we should maybe do something so as to not spoil anything for those who can't be here to watch it as soon as it drops. For example, if there's a Smash reveal in the Direct, then maybe we keep any talk about it under spoilers for the first day, or at least the first 12 hours? Maybe we can give those who wish to go in blind the link to the Direct so they can go download it and watch it without any spoilers? I dunno...
Yeah, but at the same time we still have some level of control in this situation. If your first instinct when it comes to logging on is to check your YouTube or twitter or something and you're trying to keep away from spoilers, then you're not doing a very good job of it.
TheCJBrine
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iirc this dude has been a joke or something when it comes to inside info. I don’t think he’s worth bringing up; I remember others talking about him
in the past and he doesn’t sound legitimate, but idk who he is really besides people talking negatively of him tbh. I want to say other insiders or big names said this kind of stuff about him too but I may just be misremembering.
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Malo Mart
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So, no Direct announcement as of yet, huh? Glad to know this thread hasn't gone into a mass posting frenzy without me.
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