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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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MrJudd

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Yeah , I don't want to sound like some kind of anti-smash dude , but I don't recommend spending 30 bucks on FP2 , unless you just want a full roster.
Spending that much money on what is a mystery box , is just a very risky buy overall...

Yeah , you'll spend like , 5 or 6 less dollars , so that's basically a free character. But it's only worth it if you like at least 5 characters out of 6.

Once again , I'm not saying this out of negativity , but I'm sure I'm not the only one who ended up liking only one or two DLC characters , and probably wouldn't play the rest for more than 2/3 matches. Of course , anyone is free to spend their money like they want.
For me, even if the Fighter Pass 2 was entirely made of characters I didn't like, the fact that, by spending $115 dollars in a fighting game you get:
- You get over 90 playable characters, each with a classic mode route.
- You get over 110 stages, each with 3 variations. Plus Stage Morph, which increases even more the amount of layouts possible.
- You get over 1000 songs to listen to, with all ranges and amazing remixes, and more than 100 of them are Smash exclusive.
- You have over 600 "event battles" and over 1200 collectables, with a wide range of history inside
- Every single thing mentioned above is really high quality and respectful to their source content
- One of the most meaty single player modes out there in the form of World of Light
- Lots of match modes & rules playable with 2 to 8 players (barring some expections): Team Smash, Squad Strike, Special Smash, Smashdown, Tournament, Time, Stock, Stamina, Final Smash Meter, etc
- A lot of extra modes to play with: Home-Run Contest, Custom Stages, Multi-Man
- Online play (even though it can be iffy, it still is there available)

Just to put into perspective:
- Street Fighter V is about to get it's fifth season of DLC characters, and even after that, it will still have just a fraction of the amount of content that Smash has.
- Most fighting games today like Blazblue CrossTag Battle only have a survival, arcade or small story mode. Even Arcade Modes lost some of their flavors like bonus stages.
- The only rosters that are able to compete with Smash in terms of roster count (AFAIK) are filled with clones left and right, and most of them don't have unique animations like Smash.
- With $60 dollars in other Fighting games, you get: a fifth of the roster, a fifth of the stages (all sharing the same layout most of the time), about 30 original songs. The only thing they can have above Smash is the online and that's only valid for a selection of games. We only have 4 with open tournaments at EVO because of this.

Ultimate for me is not the supreme Smash game, it's the supreme Fighting game.
 
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Honestly though, I think they're done with the ad/shill picks
One can only hope. Though, I do agree that if we get any more, they'll likely be third party. Then again, I think third party shills wouldn't be so bad compared to something like a Gen 8 pokemon shill. I'm really banking on fighter #7 sealing the deal for me here. If it ends up a dud, I'm going to have some serious doubts in this pass. COME ON, GENO! Revive my faith!
 

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It's more or less that Sakurai deserves the extrra money, at least from my POV. Even though I have no ties to Joker/Persona, Hero/DQ (DQ11 was pretty cool, still gotta finish), Terry/FF/KoF, nor Byleth (even though I like FE/3H, Byleth is a big dumb), all the characters still play really well. Even if we get a bad (i.e., unwanted) ARMS rep, Urshifu, and 4 more characters I really don't want to see, I have faith that Sakurai will make them unique and hopefully fun to play. I'll still be miffed as hell at Nintendo, but I'm supporting Sakurai and his team, not Nintendo at that point (even though they obviously do get a cut), and I won't let the crappiness of Nintendo not picking Geno get in the way of supporting the people who do deserve the extra paycheck. Now if Sakurai was the one calling the shots, much different story, but the fact is he's not; he's just the one who makes the characters movesets and stuff.
Sakurai is a great developer with a lot of passion but he's no god or someone with no faults. If I don't like what I see, unless I want to complete the roster, I'm not gonna be inclined to buy it and that's my mentality for everything for the most part.
 

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One can only hope. Though, I do agree that if we get any more, they'll likely be third party. Then again, I think third party shills wouldn't be so bad compared to something like a Gen 8 pokemon shill. I'm really banking on fighter #7 sealing the deal for me here. If it ends up a dud, I'm going to have some serious doubts in this pass. COME ON, GENO! Revive my faith!
And even shill ad characters can still be accepted based on how they do it.

Basically for ARMS:

ARMS 2 comes out and the Smash character is from 1 but also has a 2 design = fine

ARMS 2 comes out and the Smash character is only from 2 = Bull.
 

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Cant wait for GENO to join the battle between the next 2 weeks! Call me crazy but he is IN.

GENO SHOOTS FOR SMASH!
 

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One can only hope. Though, I do agree that if we get any more, they'll likely be third party. Then again, I think third party shills wouldn't be so bad compared to something like a Gen 8 pokemon shill. I'm really banking on fighter #7 sealing the deal for me here. If it ends up a dud, I'm going to have some serious doubts in this pass. COME ON, GENO! Revive my faith!
I mean, how many ads/shills can they fit on a "TRULY EXTRAS" FP?
FTR: The ARMS rep is very clearly an ad-pick regardless of who they pick, which is fine, but could still be a shill pick if they stupidly pick some rando that isn't a fan-favorite (e.g., not a spirit). I'm fine with ad-picks if they tie into characters that people want (e.g., Hero to push DQ11), but not with shills (Byleth to push 3H).

Sakurai is a great developer with a lot of passion but he's no god or someone with no faults. If I don't like what I see, unless I want to complete the roster, I'm not gonna be inclined to buy it and that's my mentality for everything for the most part.
Well I would like to complete the roster, but if the characters weren't enjoyable *AND* ones I don't like, that'd be different. I have complete faith that the majority of the pass's characters will fall into one or both of the categories (I like them or I like how they play). All 5 of the FP1 characters did.

ARMS 2 comes out and the Smash character is only from 2 = Bull.
It's not going to happen.
 

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It's more or less that Sakurai deserves the extrra money, at least from my POV. Even though I have no ties to Joker/Persona, Hero/DQ (DQ11 was pretty cool, still gotta finish), Terry/FF/KoF, nor Byleth (even though I like FE/3H, Byleth is a big dumb), all the characters still play really well. Even if we get a bad (i.e., unwanted) ARMS rep, Urshifu, and 4 more characters I really don't want to see, I have faith that Sakurai will make them unique and hopefully fun to play. I'll still be miffed as hell at Nintendo, but I'm supporting Sakurai and his team, not Nintendo at that point (even though they obviously do get a cut), and I won't let the crappiness of Nintendo not picking Geno get in the way of supporting the people who do deserve the extra paycheck. Now if Sakurai was the one calling the shots, much different story, but the fact is he's not; he's just the one who makes the characters movesets and stuff.
im all for sakurai getting more money but Im not buying a 30 buck mystery box that sakurai even said dont buy unless you are sure. I feel better just buying the characters I like which in the 1st fighters past was all but 1 so he got a good deal of my money
 
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Super painfully accurate. Characters with very little evidence being generally accepted and characters with a lot getting the whole "LUL NO SPEEREETS ALOUD". It hurts, but man it's gonna be a fun /popcorn day when he gets revealed. ;)
Really, who is even saying characters with little evidence are in (Trolls don't count)?

Actually speaking most people are reluctant to even except any character unless it's an official leak, like Terry; or someone with high credibility outright says the character is in. I dunno where you all are getting the idea that characters with little to no evidence are being accepted, because they certainly aren't being accepted here, on reddit, on gamefaqs, or on 4Chan.

Currently, only a potential ARMS rep is widely accepted within the community (because they're confirmed). On the other hand, characters with more evidence/vocal fanbases still get discussed far more then characters with little to no evidence. You see a lot of Reimu, Geno, Doomguy, Rayman discussion; you don't see a lot of Crash, 2B, Heihachi discussion.

So unless you live in bizarro world, none of this is really true. Characters with lots of evidence are discussed far more (but not accepted), characters with little evidence are discussed a lot less (and still aren't widely seen as plausible picks).

Also. the assist/spirit promotion thread found this (if it does turn out to be real, that means spirits/ATs are officially on the table)
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EDIT: It could also be Terry, so take it with caution
EDIT 2: It's the blue turtle.
 
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Really, who is even saying characters with little evidence are in (Trolls don't count)?

Actually speaking most people are reluctant to even except any character unless it's an official leak, like Terry; or someone with high credibility outright says the character is in. I dunno where you all are getting the idea that characters with little to no evidence are being accepted, because they certainly aren't being accepted here, on reddit, on gamefaqs, or on 4Chan.

Currently, only a potential ARMS rep is widely accepted within the community (because they're confirmed). On the other hand, characters with more evidence/vocal fanbases still get discussed far more then characters with little to no evidence. You see a lot of Reimu, Geno, Doomguy, Rayman discussion; you don't see a lot of Crash, 2B, Heihachi discussion.

So unless you live in bizarro world, none of this is really true. Characters with lots of evidence are discussed far more (but not accepted), characters with little evidence are discussed a lot less (and still aren't widely seen as plausible picks).
Well yeah sure if we just ignore Tracer, Steve, KOS-MOS, LOL Rep, Gen 8 Pokemon, Paper Mario, Katalina, Sylux, Porky, etc. Then this is totally true!
 

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im all for sakurai getting more money but Im not buying a 30 buck mystery box that sakurai even said dont buy unless you are sure. I feel better just buying the characters I like which in the 1st fighters past was all but 1 so he got a good deal of my money
Which is totally fine and you're free to do whatever you'd like. All I did was say what I personally am doing.

Really, who is even saying characters with little evidence are in (Trolls don't count)?
Tracer was thrown around quite a lot just because of that case. Also I didn't say "they're in", I just said that they're "generally accepted".

Well yeah sure if we just ignore Tracer, Steve, KOS-MOS, LOL Rep, Gen 8 Pokemon, Paper Mario, Katalina, Sylux, Porky, etc. Then this is totally true!
Also these.

Also. the assist/spirit promotion thread found this (if it does turn out to be real, that means spirits/ATs are officially on the table)
??? Sorry I must be blind, it just says "Nintendo Game; Coming Soon". How does this relate to a promotion?
 
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Which is totally fine and you're free to do whatever you'd like. All I did was say what I personally am doing.



Tracer was thrown around quite a lot just because of that case. Also I didn't say "they're in", I just said that they're "generally accepted".



Also these.



??? Sorry I must be blind, it just says "Nintendo Game; Coming Soon". How does this relate to a promotion?
First of all, a ton of people generally said that they don't think it's Tracer or Tracer is a bad pick.

Second in regards to the picture, it's on the AMIIBO section, so if it is a amiibo listing; the characters name is after Sonic and before Toon Link. Springman could fit in there, but as some people brought up; it could just end up being a listing for a standalone Squirtle or Terry. Or just completely unrelated.
 

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??? Sorry I must be blind, it just says "Nintendo Game; Coming Soon". How does this relate to a promotion?
It's an amiibo that's between Sonic and Toon Link in terms of alphabetical order. It could be Spring Man, but it's more likely Squirtle, who's absent from that list even though their amiibo has been released.
 

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Really, who is even saying characters with little evidence are in (Trolls don't count)?

Actually speaking most people are reluctant to even except any character unless it's an official leak, like Terry; or someone with high credibility outright says the character is in. I dunno where you all are getting the idea that characters with little to no evidence are being accepted, because they certainly aren't being accepted here, on reddit, on gamefaqs, or on 4Chan.

Currently, only a potential ARMS rep is widely accepted within the community (because they're confirmed). On the other hand, characters with more evidence/vocal fanbases still get discussed far more then characters with little to no evidence. You see a lot of Reimu, Geno, Doomguy, Rayman discussion; you don't see a lot of Crash, 2B, Heihachi discussion.

So unless you live in bizarro world, none of this is really true. Characters with lots of evidence are discussed far more (but not accepted), characters with little evidence are discussed a lot less (and still aren't widely seen as plausible picks).

Also. the assist/spirit promotion thread found this (if it does turn out to be real, that means spirits/ATs are officially on the table)View attachment 273215
EDIT: It could also be Terry, so take it with caution
It's a glitch in the site, if you notice Squirtle isn't listed at all.
 

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A rarely brought up quote I just found out about was this right here:
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By June 26, Banjo was already revealed (And I think that may be who he's referring to by "this fighter"), but FP2 was around the time it was being decided, so I wonder what "fan requests" he may have been referring to in the future...
 
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Well yeah sure if we just ignore Tracer, Steve, KOS-MOS, LOL Rep, Gen 8 Pokemon, Paper Mario, Katalina, Sylux, Porky, etc. Then this is totally true!
Tracer: A ton of people stated that they don't think it's her or she's a bad pick. People stated that Overwatch shouldn't get into Smash and that Overwatch on Switch doesn't mean Overwatch in Smash. People also stated not to believe any 4Chan leaks.

Steve: Minecraft was leaked by a popular leaker like Vergeben, unlike the others on your list. Even then, it was highly contentious because people wanted Banjo. The leak turned out to be fake, but a ton of ugly Steve falseflaggers spawned from it.

LoL rep: Unless you count the minor text leak that guessed Trials of Mana spirits right. No one discusses or accepts a LoL rep in any Smash community, at most people say they could see it happening; but the leak is bogus.

KOS-MOS: Had multiple leaks, and even Jon from GameXPlain thought she was potentially character 5. Still was highly contentious because people said that Lloyd, Heihachi, Nightmare should get in over her and that KOS-MOS is an irrelevant character from a decade ago.

Gen 8 Pokemon: Literally no one outside of a select few people think a Gen 8 Pokemon is happening. At most they'll get a few posts here or there, but most people say that either Gen 8 isn't happening or that it doesn't deserve it.

Paper Mario: Most people say that he makes a lot of sense, and that they could see him making it in. He's not incredibly divisive either, so most people do not get upset at Paper Mario. Doesn't mean that most people think he's in, again the common sentiment is getting a game does not equal Smash.

Katalina: Katalina was only discussed because Vergeben said that he trusts Hitagi. That doesn't mean that most people thought she was happening, and she was definitely not accepted. Nowadays after GBVS release, feelings of a GB rep warmed up; but at the time, most people stated Katalina was a literal who, and they still rip on Vergeben and Hitagi for it.

Sylux: Literally only discussed because 0 spirit and that he was in that popular leak with Joker. After Jokers content came out most people dropped thinking Sylux is likely unless Nintendo wants to promote MP4.

Porky: Again literally only discussed early on because of 0 spirits most people don't see him as a likely character anymore.

Unless you count "generally accepted" as "discussed somewhat seriously during speculation" none of these characters were "generally accepted" (unless by generally, you mean that around 20-40% of people said they want the character in and the remaining portion says this character doesn't deserve to get in). There is literally nothing different about these characters comparatively to Geno except Geno's been discussed for MUCH longer.

So again, these characters are "generally accepted" if you live in bizarro world. Some of y'all need to leave this thread way more.

The only character that I can think of that was generally excepted was Dante as fighter 5: but even then, you had people arguing that he's not iconic to Nintendo and that DMC announcements coinciding with the Smash DLC mean nothing. But Dante was seen as controversial as some of the others for sure, you even had popular youtubers like Max rooting for him.
 
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A rarely brought up quote I just found out about was this right here:
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By June 26, Banjo was already in but FP2 was around the time it was being decided, so I wonder what "fan requests" he may have been referring to in the future...
I like where you’re going with this, but at the same time this could totally be Sakurai teasing Banjo and trying to make it look like Banjo isn’t in Fighters Pass 1.

Edit: my bad, Banjo was in at this point. Ignore.

having said that though - is it known that US demand for Geno is more prominent than Japan demand for Geno? I remember Geno ranking higher in the US poll, but would be nice to hear from some experts on this matter..
 
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This meme was so good, it made me rush back to the thread just to see it lmao. Beats the hell outta me how these flavor of the week 4chan leaks and the mere suggestion of a game coming to the Switch make rounds in Smash spec, let alone how they get more traction than things that are actually worth speculating on. I just can't with this community, dude.

Except with people like you guys! Stay cool, stay strong, and don't lose faith. especially not in cacomallow

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So again, these characters are "generally accepted" if you live in bizarro world. Some of y'all need to leave this thread way more.
You say this as if wasting my days on random SmashBoards threads and prying into every single character rumor is a better use of my time then just occasionally posting in here and spending the rest of my time being actually productive.
 

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First of all, a ton of people generally said that they don't think it's Tracer or Tracer is a bad pick.
While a ton of people did. Just because many or "a ton" didn't, doesn't mean a ton more also didn't.

Second in regards to the picture, it's on the AMIIBO section, so if it is a amiibo listing; the characters name is after Sonic and before Toon Link. Springman could fit in there, but as some people brought up; it could just end up being a listing for a standalone Squirtle or Terry. Or just completely unrelated.
It's an amiibo that's between Sonic and Toon Link in terms of alphabetical order. It could be Spring Man, but it's more likely Squirtle, who's absent from that list even though their amiibo has been released.
So... circumstantial evidence that points to someone between Sonic and Toon Link. As you even pointed out, yeah it could be Squirtle or Terry, so this is also kinda pointless. They haven't even announced FP1 Amiibo yet, so this seems like a... stretch... until they do.

ah gotcha, my bad, jumping to conclusions
Yeah I wasn't saying anyone has to do that, lol.
 

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You say this as if wasting my days on random SmashBoards threads and prying into every single character rumor is a better use of my time then just occasionally posting in here and spending the rest of my time being actually productive.
They're not mutually exclusive you know, it's better then just viewing the Geno thread for countless days and getting a completely biased opinion of what the speculation scene is like, and then spreading misinformation. Besides, you can spend time on this thread and others WHILE being productive.

While a ton of people did. Just because many or "a ton" didn't, doesn't mean a ton more also didn't.
Except then that means those characters weren't generally accepted. Which is the premise of the entire argument. More then a little minority of the community thought Tracer was completely bogus.
Bro, half of these happened before I even knew this thread existed.
Then don't use it them as evidence to prove your point?

I'm just saying that the meme contained a lot of misinformation, it's nothing super serious. It's funny sure, but it's not accurate at all. I don't know why some of you are getting super defensive, when I didn't really say anything super controversial at all (though the Bizarro world comments were definitely more on the rude side, sorry about that).
 
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Yeah, I feel one of the three Square titles listed at Amazon will be Super Mario RPG 2 or a remake of the first game.

The other two titles may potentially be the rumoured TWEWY2 and the recently announced Adventures Of Dai game.

It makes a good amount of sense for me, more so since Bravely Default 2 is already listed.
 

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Inject this straight into my damn veins. This basically represents how I've been feeling about this community for prolly a year at this point.
This meme was so good, it made me rush back to the thread just to see it lmao. Beats the hell outta me how these flavor of the week 4chan leaks and the mere suggestion of a game coming to the Switch make rounds in Smash spec, let alone how they get more traction than things that are actually worth speculating on. I just can't with this community, dude.

Except with people like you guys! Stay cool, stay strong, and don't lose faith. especially not in cacomallow

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Same here guys. Before Banjo was revealed, everyone used to say the evidence going for him meant nothing and that I should just give up. Once Banjo was revealed, I felt a strong sense of satisfaction and I just loved seeing all of the detractors lose their minds, and I can't wait to do the same for Geno. :4pacman:
 

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I don't know why some of you are getting super defensive, when I didn't really say anything super controversial at all (though the Bizarro world comments were definitely more on the rude side, sorry about that).
I apologize, I just got a little uppity when you said that people need to leave this thread more often. Plenty of the people who browse this thread also browse other threads besides this one, and they try to keep up to date on news and rumors as well.

I know you weren’t trying to point any fingers but that just sort of hit a nerve for me I guess, I dunno. Didn’t mean to snap at you my man.
 

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The main reason I'm not too active outside this thread (I tried Gamefaqs not too long ago , and I'm a mod on a decently big Smash server) is because it can get depressing.

There are people who will give you genuine arguments as to why they personnaly think Geno won't get in , wich is completely fair.

And then you have some weird obsessive dudes that hate Geno like he broke a glass during a family dinner or something.

It's simply depressing to see that the word Geno lead to so much negativity some times , and while I try my best to remain civil and more level headed...

When I see people on other medias saying "Yeah , Geno isn't popular in the Smash fanbase , let's calculate how much views TerminalMontage's video on Geno has compared to his other videos to prove that / SmashBoards thread , Starfall , PM mods , all the ballots , servers , are just echo chambers/too fan-centric" or "Sakurai lied during his interview/totally meant Geno would be a Mii Gunner clone" , it just depress me. Because it just reek of "I hate that character and will try anything to piss you off" instead of having a civil discussion and pointing out to other issues like licensing stuff , his Mario and SE compétition , and so on.

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I think that people can get annoyed to see some characters be sometimes heavily considered within Smash speculation just because of one thing happening , while dismissing the good things other characters have going for them.

I don't want to give any passive aggressive vibe , but this thread get often deemed as an "echo chamber" , but I feel like quite some other place would be reverse echo chambers , too.
I'm personnaly confident in Geno , and I'm well aware that there is quite some competition out there. And while trying to be on a calm middle ground is often the most healthy for me , getting hyped and excited during discussion about your favorite character is what make speculation fun.

(Side note , I didn't quoted Droodle because this wasn't a direct response to the on going discussion , rather my thoughts on how Geno is seen in other part of the Smash fanbase.)
 

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Painfully accurate
Super painfully accurate. Characters with very little evidence being generally accepted and characters with a lot getting the whole "LUL NO SPEEREETS ALOUD". It hurts, but man it's gonna be a fun /popcorn day when he gets revealed. ;)
Super duper painfully accurate. And since we're making memes, I feel I should contribute with a little creation of my own!
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Super duper painfully accurate. And since we're making memes, I feel I should contribute with a little creation of my own!
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At this point I think I respect the detractors who stick to their guns after the fighter is revealed more than than the backpedaling ones who claim that they were "just playing devil's advocate" or "were always fans but didn't want to commit to it". It shows that you'd rather be on "the winning team" than wrong but hold a consistent viewpoint.
 

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Know this is comng out of the blue, but I actually want to make a video/essay about the legacy of Geno (and Super Mario RPG as a whole) and his road to Smash (including some notable rumors like The Grinch Leak) when it's time for him to get in. Unless someone is already planning that...
 

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I apologize, I just got a little uppity when you said that people need to leave this thread more often. Plenty of the people who browse this thread also browse other threads besides this one, and they try to keep up to date on news and rumors as well.

I know you weren’t trying to point any fingers but that just sort of hit a nerve for me I guess, I dunno. Didn’t mean to snap at you my man.
It's fine. I myself probably took it a bit took seriously too, but while I still think that what I personally think was right, it's alright to have fun. In the end it's just memes and games and Geno. And there's nothing wrong with that.

EDIT: And I agree with the sentiment that it's hard to openly express wanting Geno in places outside of here. It's easier for me since I'm not as dedicated as a ton of people on here, but browsing other popular sites would definitely be annoying because it's hard to have a positive thread about Geno without people telling you how much of a "Garbage pick" he is.
 
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Having to justify SMRPG's legacy is kinda silly on its own if we are honest.

It was the first official Mario RPG Game, so It obviously has a legacy before-hand.
 
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