Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[MattX20]

I'm getting the feeling that Luigi's Mansion 3 will probably get a spirit event closer to Halloween. Recall how long it took for Ring Fit Adventures to get one

 

[Icewolff92]

Still, even if the spirit event is meant to tie into Trials of Mana's release date, the significance of non-FF or DQ spirits getting their own event is huge. It does nothing but bolster the chances of Geno's likelyhood.

That¨s up for debate concidering these spirits could be seen as a marketing ploy, from both Nintendo and Square Enix part. I see what you mean, but at the same time, I don¨t think this lessens or higher Geno¨s (or any other Square Enix characters for that matter) chances to be perfectly frank. These could just easily have come even if there were no SQ character in the game due to... like I stated earlier, marketing. I would be more inclined to agree with you if these spirits did not go along with the game.

And this comes from someone that wants two Square Enix character (Sepiroth and Geno) who is both from the Square Soft area of the Square Enix company, and Trials is also an original Square Soft property.

 

[Sigran101]

I'm getting the feeling that Luigi's Mansion 3 will probably get a spirit event closer to Halloween.

I would agree with this if the game didn't actually release on Halloween.

 

[GodzillaGuy64]

They're available, right now!
https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1252401667154247680

That was fast.

Edit: Of course the picture doesn't load.

 

[Deleted member]

Sweet for Trails of Mana maybe it means something for Geno. I’m not sure but it’s still something.

 

[MattX20]

I would agree with this if the game didn't actually release on Halloween.

We've had to wait for other spirit board events to happen months after the game was released, and I feel Luigi's Mansion 3 is no different in that regard

 

[Icewolff92]

We've had to wait for other spirit board events to happen months after the game was released, and I feel Luigi's Mansion 3 is no different in that regard

And we also have a game that they waited to add spirits for, because they wanted to add a character from said game. So it¨s not like its impossible. Especially if they are truly going all-in with Mario in June

 

[Megadoomer]

On the topic of spirits anyone know when the hell the River City spirits will show up again on the Spirit Board?

https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1252401667154247680

They've been on there for the past day or two, apparently.

EDIT: 'd

 

[MattX20]

And we also have a game that they waited to add spirits for, because they wanted to add a character from said game. So it¨s not like its impossible. Especially if they are truly going all-in with Mario in June

FE's treated as largely the exception given Corrin and Byleth. The problem is Luigi's Mansion 3 really doesn't have much in the way of a playable character that people really wanted to get in or at least one that isn't already playable since Luigi's been playable since the very beginning.

 

[Firox]

Also, when you say 10 was the "high point", do you mean in terms of game design or what the fans enjoyed?

Both actually. As someone who's personally played FFX, I can tell you the game was a solid example of what made FF so great as a franchise. The world building was superb, the battle format was pretty solid for a turn-based style, the story was excellent, the summoning mechanic (and number of summons) was one of the best in the franchise and most (though admittedly not all) of the characters were fairly well put together. Even the graphics were pretty great for its time. Believe it or not, X was the second best selling FF behind the beast that is 7, hence why X got a direct sequel with X-2. X and X-2 even outsold the TRILOGY of XIII (I didn't even realize until this morning that XIII even HAD a trilogy). So yeah, despite the endless memes of Tidus, FFX was considered by SE to be a significant installment. I suspect that's why XIII shares so many elements with both 7 and X (Main character is "Lightning". Get it? Cloud? Lightning? And the general gameplay is strikingly similar to X). SE was trying to recapture the magic that made the other two appealing.

 

[TriggerX]

I wouldn’t put too much stock into the mana spirit event and Geno’s chances.
If anything it shows that Square has been only pushing things in smash that have upcoming releases since DQ did the same thing.

 

[Sigran101]

We've had to wait for other spirit board events to happen months after the game was released, and I feel Luigi's Mansion 3 is no different in that regard

Yet your argument is that they're waiting for Halloween. But the game came out on Halloween, so if that was the case they would have just done it at release like most other games.

FE's treated as largely the exception given Corrin and Byleth. The problem is Luigi's Mansion 3 really doesn't have much in the way of a playable character that people really wanted to get in or at least one that isn't already playable since Luigi's been playable since the very beginning.

I'm sorry but you can't just dismiss that point by saying "well that's an exception". Few people wanted Corrin and King Boo is fairly popular. But more importantly, do you really think, aside from a few fan demand picks, that the characters are chosen based on how much people want them?

 

[MattX20]

Yet your argument is that they're waiting for Halloween. But the game came out on Halloween, so if that was the case they would have just done it at release like most other games.

I'm sorry but you can't just dismiss that point by saying "well that's an exception". Few people wanted Corrin and King Boo is fairly popular. But more importantly, do you really think, aside from a few fan demand picks, that the characters are chosen based on how much people want them?

If we're to believe what insiders are saying that the second Fighter Pass is going to be very heavy on the fanservice, then yes.

 

[Trevenant]

I don't think the lack of Luigi's Mansion 3 spirits means much. It wouldn't be the first time they missed out on a Mario game with spirits as Mario Maker 2 missed them. I guess the argument could be made that they wouldn't be able to add characters from they game as there aren't any but it doesn't really good up when Yanamura and other Mario Maker staples are lacking spirits and even if they do have spirits they could simply put in variants like Builder Toad in considering they announced him for Mario Kart tour this morning and how boulder mario and such are spirits.
TLDR: MM2 didn't really have spirits despite there being enough options which suggests the lack of them for LM3 doesn't mean much. Ring Fit had to wait months to get them and in that time people were speculating that there protag would be included yet it was confirmed to be an event

 

[Sigran101]

If we're to believe what insiders are saying that the second Fighter Pass is going to be very heavy on the fanservice, then yes.

By insiders you mean Fatman? Because I don't recall anyone else saying that. And just like Fatman would tell you, he's not a leaker. Besides how is ARMS fanservice? It's not going great for that claim so far. Luigi's Mansion 3 sold significantly more than Xenoblade 2 and Three Houses combined. It would make sense for it to get a character. The series has really become one of Nintendo's heavy hitters.

 

[GodzillaGuy64]

I don't think the lack of Luigi's Mansion 3 spirits means much. It wouldn't be the first time they missed out on a Mario game with spirits as Mario Maker 2 missed them. I guess the argument could be made that they wouldn't be able to add characters from they game as there aren't any but it doesn't really good up when Yanamura and other Mario Maker staples are lacking spirits and even if they do have spirits they could simply put in variants like Builder Toad in considering they announced him for Mario Kart tour this morning and how boulder mario and such are spirits.
TLDR: MM2 didn't really have spirits despite there being enough options which suggests the lack of them for LM3 doesn't mean much. Ring Fit had to wait months to get them and in that time people were speculating that there protag would be included yet it was confirmed to be an event

This is a very good point. If MM2 didn't get them, do all games have to get spirit events?

 

[Icewolff92]

FE's treated as largely the exception given Corrin and Byleth. The problem is Luigi's Mansion 3 really doesn't have much in the way of a playable character that people really wanted to get in or at least one that isn't already playable since Luigi's been playable since the very beginning.

It is so easy to say that about Byleth in hindsight after he got revealed. I remember so many of you here believed 3H got disconfirmed after the whole Astral Chain spirit reveal. You being one of them

The fact that Astral Chain showed up this recently for a spirit event all but confirms that we'll probably see the same fate befall the Fire Emblem Three Houses cast also.

That, and 3 Houses was probably too recent for Wave 2's DLC. Plus, Sakurai got sick of adding FE reps during Smash 4 and only added Chrom due to fan demand on the ballot

Like Sigran said... if they really wanted to have a "Halloween celebration" with those spirits, it would have come when the game was first released.

The lack could mean nothing, it could mean something. But it's worth keeping in mind concidering Three Houses scenario and the fact that Mario is celebrating 35 years this year.

 

[GodzillaGuy64]

The LM3 spirits could also launch sooner than we think. They could've planned to release them with either pack of the multiplayer DLC. If I'm remembering correctly, the first pack launched like a full month and a half earlier than anticipated. We could get them as soon as next week. But, no one knows. Just some speculation on my part.

 

[Sigran101]

It is so easy to say that about Byleth in hindsight after he got revealed. I remember so many of you here believed 3H got disconfirmed after the whole Astral Chain spirit reveal. You being one of them



Like Sigran said... if they really wanted to have a "Halloween celebration" with those spirits, it would have come when the game was first released.

The lack could mean nothing, it could mean something. But it's worth keeping in mind concidering Three Houses scenario and the fact that Mario is celebrating 35 years this year.

Exactly this. I'm not saying it's confirmed or something. But if you really don't think it's even slightly suspicious after what happened with three houses, you're deluding yourself. Ring fit and Astral Chain were suspicious along with three houses. One of them got a character, 2 didn't. It's not a sure thing but it's something and it has precedence. And don't even try to tell me it's different because King Boo is unlikely because y'all jumped down my throat and said he had a zero percent chance when I used this same argument to say Byleth was likely coming.

 

[Datboigeno]

Besides how is ARMS fanservice?

Springman was actually a pretty highly requested character that people thought was a lock before they revealed he was AT'd. I don't understand the rhetoric that no one wanted an ARMS rep when that's objectively not true.

Few people wanted Corrin and King Boo is fairly popular. But more importantly, do you really think, aside from a few fan demand picks, that the characters are chosen based on how much people want them?

What makes you think Sakurai picked King Boo at this point other than some "missing" spirits?

 

[MattX20]

By insiders you mean Fatman? Because I don't recall anyone else saying that. And just like Fatman would tell you, he's not a leaker. Besides how is ARMS fanservice? It's not going great for that claim so far. Luigi's Mansion 3 sold significantly more than Xenoblade 2 and Three Houses combined. It would make sense for it to get a character. The series has really become one of Nintendo's heavy hitters.

and you're dismissing fans that wanted ARMS characters? I can tell you I know quite a few people wanted them, not just on Smashboards, they were all but expected to show up in the base game by fans, and there were quite a few who were disappointed. But, now there are several fans I've seen and talked to who were excited for any inclusion whether it be MinMin, Twintelle, Ninjara, or even Springman and Ribbongirl. That, and just because a game sells well isn't an automatic guarantee for a Smash Bros slot.

 

[Icewolff92]

Springman was actually a pretty highly requested character that people thought was a lock before they revealed he was AT'd. I don't understand the rhetoric that no one wanted an ARMS rep when that's objectively not true.

You would think that Fan service is someone that takes the internet by storm and don't get a shrug with people saying "neat". Adding Arms in a pack that is supposedly going all in when we have so many long requested charachters that are way more popular does not really add up

 

[Firox]

Springman was actually a pretty highly requested character that people thought was a lock before they revealed he was AT'd. I don't understand the rhetoric that no one wanted an ARMS rep when that's objectively not true.

Did SOMEBODY want an ARMS character? Of course. Statistically, there's some poor sucker out there screaming for Bad Girl from No More Heroes, but does that represent what we'd call "fan service"? I would say that fan service is usually determined by a consistenty high presence in mulitple high-sample polls, not Miyamoto's niece or some Nintendo execs trying to push a lack-luster franchise. I don't deny that there was probably a notable amount of people campaigning for Springman, but relative to what? Isaac? Geno? Waluigi? Shadow? Knuckles? Let's not pretend like ARMS isn't mostly a political manuever by Nintendo. If anyone wants to argue that it isn't, by all means, please produce OBJECTIVE evidence to support this. As in poll results, Nintendo/Sakurai acknowledgements, etc. NOT just anecdotal statements like "I saw 'tons' of people supporting ________ on reddit and twitter!"

 

[Sigran101]

Springman was actually a pretty highly requested character that people thought was a lock before they revealed he was AT'd. I don't understand the rhetoric that no one wanted an ARMS rep when that's objectively not true.



What makes you think Sakurai picked King Boo at this point other than some "missing" spirits?

Obviously it's not the case that no one wanted Springman. I've been one of the ones defending the ARMS rep this whole time. But calling it fanservice? It's not THAT popular. As far as King Boo, I've long thought he's inevitable. If not in this game then in the next. Luigi's Mansion is not niche anymore. It's one of Nintendo's heavy hitters. It actually outsold Mario Maker 2 by quite a bit, and like I said, it's in the top 10 best selling Switch games. King Boo is becoming a staple in spin offs and he's been the main villain of 3 major games. To put that in perspective he's had as many villain roles as Ganondorf not including Hyrule Warriors. He's Luigi's nemesis, and that's a very significant role. I just think he makes sense. I thought he was more likely to come in the next game, but the missing spirits are suspicious to me. Maybe it will be nothing. I'd say there's probably a good 50 to 60% chance we'll just get delayed spirits. But 40% isn't bad odds for a smash character, and the FE spirits missing did end up leading to a character.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Lord, every time I come back, it's a new Soap Opera episode. Seriously, the drama is absurd. Consider this crazy theory, stacking on that MM2 missing style and the supposed spreading of resources: imagine if ToM was supposed to come out this week because Geno was going to be revealed this week but everything went off course due to Rona.

Don't take it seriously and god, stop bickering over LM3 and spirits. It's in a similar boat to MM2; it has potential spirits but does it really need spirits?

 

[Sigran101]

Lord, every time I come back, it's a new Soap Opera episode. Seriously, the drama is absurd. Consider this crazy theory, stacking on that MM2 missing style and the supposed spreading of resources: imagine if ToM was supposed to come out this week because Geno was going to be revealed this week but everything went off course due to Rona. View attachment 269918
Don't take it seriously and god, stop bickering over LM3 and spirits. It's in a similar boat to MM2; it has potential spirits but does it really need spirits?

Uuh, yeah it kind of does. A top ten best selling Switch game that adds a whole slew of unique characters totally deserves a spirit event. And you don't get to tell me I'm not allowed to talk about it just because you disagree.

 

[MattX20]

Lord, every time I come back, it's a new Soap Opera episode. Seriously, the drama is absurd. Consider this crazy theory, stacking on that MM2 missing style and the supposed spreading of resources: imagine if ToM was supposed to come out this week because Geno was going to be revealed this week but everything went off course due to Rona.
Don't take it seriously and god, stop bickering over LM3 and spirits. It's in a similar boat to MM2; it has potential spirits but does it really need spirits?

Yeah, we're still unfortunately in the wait for the June Direct to see how things pan out.

 

[Datboigeno]

You would think that Fan service is someone that takes the internet by storm and don't get a shrug with people saying "neat". Adding Arms in a pack that is supposedly going all in when we have so many long requested charachters that are way more popular does not really add up

Realize that if Geno gets in for as many of us that are going to be brought to tears in excitement and relief there's going to be a very large segment of the internet whose response is going to be "Who gives a ****" and it's not going to make him any less of a fan service character.

 

[Sigran101]

Realize that if Geno gets for as many of us that are going to be brought to tears in excitement and relief there's going to be a very large segment of the internet whose response is going to be "Who gives a ****" and it's not going to make him any less of a fan service character.

Yeah, but Geno would literally be added due to popularity like Ridley K Rool and Banjo. A character from a new, successful, unrepresented Nintendo IP isn't fanservice it's just a logical pick. It doesn't mean it's not popular and it doesn't mean it's a bad choice. I'm personally a big fan of it, and I've spent a lot of time defending it from y'all on this thread, but the ARMS rep is definitely not fanservice.

 

[Icewolff92]

Realize that if Geno gets for as many of us that are going to be brought to tears in excitement and relief there's going to be a very large segment of the internet whose response is going to be "Who gives a ****" and it's not going to make him any less of a fan service character.

Geno has been on high demand for ages, growing more of a following over time. Arms is a rather new IP that did not sell copies of the shelf that kinda died untill they revealed the Smash Bros charachter.

Yes there will be people that say "who gives a ****" if Geno gets in. There will be for eveyone. But to act like Arms were suddenly in top 15 because their inclussion is just silly

 

[Datboigeno]

Obviously it's not the case that no one wanted Springman. I've been one of the ones defending the ARMS rep this whole time. But calling it fanservice? It's not THAT popular. As far as King Boo, I've long thought he's inevitable. If not in this game then in the next. Luigi's Mansion is not niche anymore. It's one of Nintendo's heavy hitters. It actually outsold Mario Maker 2 by quite a bit, and like I said, it's in the top 10 best selling Switch games. King Boo is becoming a staple in spin offs and he's been the main villain of 3 major games. To put that in perspective he's had as many villain roles as Ganondorf not including Hyrule Warriors. He's Luigi's nemesis, and that's a very significant role. I just think he makes sense. I thought he was more likely to come in the next game, but the missing spirits are suspicious to me. Maybe it will be nothing. I'd say there's probably a good 50 to 60% chance we'll just get delayed spirits. But 40% isn't bad odds for a smash character, and the FE spirits missing did end up leading to a character.

Cool, I don't think he's that likely. If we are getting another Mario character at this point it's likely going to be Geno or at a bigger stretch Waluigi. I don't think King Boo as a character is that popular or has that much demand behind him. He's also already a spirit in the game so with that being the case the missing spirits for LM3 really don't seem to point to him in the same way the missing 3H spirits could have been seen as a clue for Byleth.

Geno has been on high demand for ages, growing more of a following over time. Arms is a rather new IP that did not sell copies of the shelf that kinda died untill they revealed the Smash Bros charachter.

Yes there will be people that say "who gives a ****" if Geno gets in. There will be for eveyone. But to act like Arms were suddenly in top 15 because their inclussion is just silly

Hey here's Springman in a poll getting more votes than both Sora and Geno. But please keep telling me how he (or a character even more popular than him in ARMS fandom who is likely going to be FP6) is "not fanservice" lol I could care less about ARMS but the mental gymnastics people keep attempting by saying an ARMS rep isn't something people wanted and is somehow a sign Sakurai isn't giving people what they want in this new wave of DLC is just too absurd, sorry.

 

[Sigran101]

Cool, I don't think he's that likely. If we are getting another Mario character at this point it's likely going to be Geno or at a bigger stretch Waluigi. I don't think King Boo as a character is that popular or has that much demand behind him. He's also already a spirit in the game so with that being the case the missing spirits for LM3 really don't seem to point to him in the same way the missing 3H spirits could have been seen as a clue for Byleth.

I agree he's not as popular as a lot of the names going around, but neither was Terry, and certainly not Byleth. I think if you look back at the smash 4 roster, a lot of the choices were similar to what King Boo would be, like Rosalina and Palutena. Not unpopular, but not crazy popular either. Mainly added because they are significant characters who appeared prominently in recent games. That's why I think he makes sense. As far as the spirits, I think the main takeaway is that for some reason, they didn't do a spirit event for the new characters. For such a high profile game it would be weird to not do anything, so I figure either it's delayed like a couple of others, or it's being held off for a character's spirit board like the three houses ones. I think I feel extra confident because this is the exact same situation as TH was. I came in here and said the missing spirits were suspicious, and you guys said "Mario Maker didn't get spirits either and the Astral Chain ones were delayed. Besides, Byleth is unlikely for this list of reasons". But look what happened. So maybe that was a one time thing, but this really feels to me like the same exact situation.

Edit: I think we're getting Geno as well, not that we're getting King Boo instead of him.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Uuh, yeah it kind of does. A top ten best selling Switch game that adds a whole slew of unique characters totally deserves a spirit event. And you don't get to tell me I'm not allowed to talk about it just because you disagree.

It's less about your opinion and more about the constant jab to the ribcage. We got it; Luigi's Mansion 3 is still sitting down on spirits. Just because it sold well doesn't mean it absolutely needs to have spirits. I'm not saying it won't get them eventually but by god, it's not a guarantee. Nothing in this whole darned cycle is guaranteed. It's frustrating, sorry. My last text was rather rude and I apologise. I'm just so bugged.

 

[Datboigeno]

I agree he's not as popular as a lot of the names going around, but neither was Terry, and certainly not Byleth. I think if you look back at the smash 4 roster, a lot of the choices were similar to what King Boo would be, like Rosalina and Palutena. Not unpopular, but not crazy popular either. Mainly added because they are significant characters who appeared prominently in recent games. That's why I think he makes sense. As far as the spirits, I think the main takeaway is that for some reason, they didn't do a spirit event for the new characters. For such a high profile game it would be weird to not do anything, so I figure either it's delayed like a couple of others, or it's being held off for a character's spirit board like the three houses ones. I think I feel extra confident because this is the exact same situation as TH was. I came in here and said the missing spirits were suspicious, and you guys said "Mario Maker didn't get spirits either and the Astral Chain ones were delayed. Besides, Byleth is unlikely for this list of reasons". But look what happened. So maybe that was a one time thing, but this really feels to me like the same exact situation.

Sorry, man but here's a huge degree of difference in popularity between Rosalina and King Boo. You keep restating the same points about spirits not showing up yet like 3H but really you could have said the exact same thing about Ring Fit Adventure too up until those spirits got revealed. I just don't see it. The pattern more than anything at this point is that new games have eventually gotten spirit events and not full characters than had their spirits delayed because they were getting a newcomer. And again, King Boo is already in as a spirit. If anything LM3 spirits not being in points to someone like Gooigi at this point more than King Boo and even then we know that's not going to happen.

 

[Sigran101]

It's less about your opinion and more about the constant jab to the ribcage. We got it; Luigi's Mansion 3 is still sitting down on spirits. Just because it sold well doesn't mean it absolutely needs to have spirits. I'm not saying it won't get them eventually but by god, it's not a guarantee. Nothing in this whole darned cycle is guaranteed. It's frustrating, sorry.

Read my previous posts. I'm saying I feel about a 40 to 50 percent chance of King Boo. I'm sorry if me being confident in King Boo annoys you, but all I did was make one little post and then I was just defending my viewpoint when you guys said I was wrong.

 

[Polarthief]

Read my previous posts. I'm saying I feel about a 40 to 50 percent chance of King Boo.

With no evidence outside of missing spirits... Just curious what you think Geno's chances are, given his tons of evidence.

PS: I'm not annoyed you're *that* confident in King Boo, I just think it's a bit silly to be without any evidence other than a missing spirit event.

 

[Sigran101]

With no evidence outside of missing spirits... Just curious what you think Geno's chances are, given his tons of evidence.

PS: I'm not annoyed you're *that* confident in King Boo, I just think it's a bit silly to be without any evidence other than a missing spirit event.

Probably about 60%. I generally don't go higher than that range because we can't really know anything. I feel a 70% confidence rate is too high for any character unless there's major insider support like there was with Hero and Banjo.

By the way, a lot of people are a lot more confident in other characters with a lot less evidence.

 

[Polarthief]

In fairness, because I'm sure this was a first-past-the-post voting system (which is by far the worst kind of voting system), where would the votes for KKR, BK, Ridley, etc go now that they aren't needed to be for anymore? 20% of the vote alone went to KKR, Ridley, and BK, which is extremely substantial.

Probably about 60%. I generally don't go higher than that range because we can't really know anything. I feel a 70% confidence rate is too high for any character unless there's major insider support like there was with Hero and Banjo.

I... wow. You sure your confidence in King Boo isn't just a bit... biased? I'm not saying it is, but for a missing spirit event to give a 50% chance for him, that's very substantial compared to just 10% more for Geno's evidence; just very surprising to me.

I also really don't care if King Boo makes it in or not; he's not on my ****list, and I won't give a crap who makes it in if Geno does. I do agree it's weird LM3 didn't get a spirit event, but I think you might be reading a touch too much into it. I'll gladly admit to being wrong if he makes it though and I will personally ping you in an apology.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Will we probably get a LM3 spirit event once the next DLC drops? Most likely.

Will we get King Boo in Smash? Microscopic chance, much like I would've said about Piranha Plant. But let's not get too pattern-y, one Mario enemy as bonus DLC that no one asked for doesn't make another one likely.

 

[Firox]

I think it's important for people to try and get inside Nintendo's head right now. If you were an exec for Nintendo and you wanted to sell DLC characters for a high profile game, what would your motives be?

1) Promote an upcoming game or franchise
2) Boost sales/awareness for the resurgence of an older/underselling title
3) Boost sales of the DLC itself by offering what the majority of the player base wants to buy

With 6 (techinically 5 now) slots of DLC left, which of these three would you choose? Answer: Something that preferrably knocks out at least two at a time. That said, here's my take (yes, just my own opinion) with regards to some of our most discussed potential DLC...

-Geno: Would count towards 2 and 3 with his inclusion undeniably counting towards long-standing fan service. He could potentially unviel SMRPG on the Switch Virtual Console or even a new remake/remaster of his original game to fulfill the marketing bonus of category 2.

-Waluigi: Would certainly count towards 3 but wouldn't really apply to 1 or 2 since he's never really had a game of his own (nor does he have one coming in the forseeable future). Granted, B-K had a couple of historic games under their belt, but given their status of being 3rd party with no games (future or past) to promote, fan service alone seems to be capable of swinging a character. ***Mind you, B-K was statistically PROVEN to be a highly demanded character via multiple high-sample polls. To my knowledge, the Wah has not seen a comparable presence until MAYBE recently.***

-ARMS: I strongly argue that this falls solely under category 2. Unless someone provides objective evidence to the contrary, it would appear that categories 1 and 2 are powerful enough to get a character added individually (hence Byleth, Corrin, Pokemon of the Week, the ARMS rep themselves, etc.). If ARMS 2 gets unveiled at E3, it will actually make even more sense since the ARMs rep will then meet both cats 1 AND 2.

-King Boo: Unfortunately, I honestly don't see him falling into any of the three categories. He wouldn't be promoting an upcoming game because it's already been released. He wouldn't be bolstering an older/weak franchise because LM3 is already a powerhouse. Finally, he wouldn't really count as "fan service" either since I'm pretty sure that he hasn't made a significant showing on ANY of the character polls I've seen nor has Nintendo put forth any kind of effort to increase awareness of him outside of being a semi-recurring boss in the Mario Franchise. This, coupled with the already over-saturated Mario roster in Smash really doesn't make him seem very likely to me. Then again, we got landed with Plant, so who the hell knows anyway?

Hey here's Springman in a poll getting more votes than both Sora and Geno. But please keep telling me how he (or a character even more popular than him in ARMS fandom who is likely going to be FP6) is "not fanservice" lol I could care less about ARMS but the mental gymnastics people keep attempting by saying an ARMS rep isn't something people wanted and is somehow a sign Sakurai isn't giving people what they want in this new wave of DLC is just too absurd, sorry.

LOL Wait, wait. So you cite a poll where Springman beat out both Geno AND Sora while the likes of Banana Dee/Shovel Knight beat out Banjo-Kazooie....and you think it's LEGIT?! ROFLMAO This poll is hilariously skewed. I'm curious what this sample group's demographic was. It's like going to UC Berkely and holding a popularity poll for Trump. If this thing held any real water, then why hasn't Banana Dee, Crash, Decidueye, Shantae or Isaac been added as fighters yet? Also note that ARMS was still relatively fresh in 2018 and we didn't see the first round of newcomers for Ultimate until August 2018. Amazing to see how expectations change over time.