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While I agree that the music takedowns are nice to have, I don't think they're conclusive proof- I might be wrong, but didn't Nintendo take down some Half-Life music as well? They don't hurt Geno's chances one bit for sure, but I wouldn't use them as his primary evidence.
No, I don’t think so... only Undertale and Banjo music.
"Ken was photoshopped in , you fools , this is just a super well made Brawl mod"Guys, imagine around May, another image and short video clip get leaked, and curiously enough we have Ken yet again doing the same taunt from the two former notorious leaks (the first Ken leak prior to his official reveal, and the CacoMallow leak); however he's on what seems to be a new stage (forest-themed), and we see the Mallow hat, AND what seems to be a never before seen model of Geno IN ACTION (in the short video clip, and posing alongside Ken on the image). Oh, and the leak ends up going live on May 13th.
Just imagine. Not saying it'll happen (most likely it won't but, the release from this eternal struggle would feel ever closer).
Not true, they also took down Fortnite music.
To play devil's avocado on a few of these points:
Actually they have, sort of. Sure, they're not found before a character gets added in, as they no doubt got wise right quick when it became public knowledge that they were there, but the characters themselves still use codenames:"Ken was photoshopped in , you fools , this is just a super well made Brawl mod"
Also , a thing I find interesting is that , since the discovery of the Brave codename , they never added any codenames through updates afterwards.
Oh no.
Source?
I also remember that GTA music was taken down.
not sure if this is supposed to be a joke or actually trying to insult the thread’s intelligence and assuming we think the Nintendo music takedown is the one and only “tidbit of note” in Geno’s favor
Of course it's not conclusive. Nothing is conclusive until it's official. My point was there are so many coincidences lined up that it points to Geno, but there's a handful of people here still being doubtful. At absolute worst, it could be a premium costume but I honestly doubt that.
Eh. Possibly, but I still say there's too many coincidences.
But all the other stuff I can Google/YouTube right now, including the entire soundtrack that is the very first Google result, that's all totally fine?
But they don't have the rights to any of them. Fanmade remixes are 100% fair use, obviously, and not to mention those were games (and more importantly, songs) that Nintendo doesn't own. The SMRPG songs as well, they don't own in any way. Sure you could argue some of the songs that have some of Koji Kondo's Mario themes in them, I could see that, but these were two songs that have nothing to do with Mario, both in the story and the songs themselves don't make you think "oh yeah those are Mario songs".
??? In what way did they have a relation to Smash prior to their reveals? To say they have a relation to Smash now, after we know of BK and Sans is like "yeah, no ****, cuz they're literally in Smash".
When was this though? If it was any time around 2018-2020, that's pretty suspect, but if it was before that, I wouldn't really give it a second glance.
Exactly. If the takedowns were ALL the evidence we had to go off of, I'd be like "oh that's cool, but it means nothing".
For the Hero part I've actually heard people attribute the 8 songs to it being two from each game they come from, so technically each individual Hero gets two songs.
It was around the same time the UT, Banjo, and SMRPG got taken down. I also think that it was around the time that Brawl's channel got taken down, so i think that it was mostly Nintendo being heavy on their Smash copyright.
Nothing about Half Life music. You are thinking of the news that word got out Valve was impressed with the Switch and was at one time interested in making a Half Life series game for the console. If I am not mistaken, that news broke around the same time as the copyright stuff.
Interesting... Do you think maybe just maybe, a bit tinfoil-hat-theory, but it could have been to obscure what is legit and what's just a red herring? I mean, we already know leakbait is a thing, so I could see them doing something like this, after getting permission from the companies of course, to make people think "oh look, they're taking down Fortnite stuff so clearly Fortnite's in Smash too!" or something to that effect. If they only took down things that got in Smash, that would be a very obvious thing, y'know?
I'm really glad this wasn't leaked beforehand like "Brave" was cuz god... I'd immediately jump to thinking that Geno was confirmed.
I didn't even think of that. That totally would have sounded like Geno. That would have been seriously awful if that leaked.
It would make no sense to have the DK crew in Geno's trailer instead of Mario, Peach, or Bowser. Maybe they could do the same gimmick but at Mario's house instead, but honestly at a certain point it's not funny anymore.
I don't want to think what could happen if the Master CodeName was leaked; EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the world has expect Master Chief as CP5
I would never want Mega Man in the receiving end of a fake out like that lol I want them both celebrating
I think geno's reveal trailer will be a recreation of geno's revival in gaz's house
Yeah, the thing which make me dislike the banjo reveal was that, i was expecting a megacute rare reference reveal
That idea is funny
Also to be fair, having it tie in with Donkey Kong Country is a big enough Rare tie in.
. (Just like how you had and in the other ones)
Oh no I agree.
I think it might also be a visibility thing, like BrawlBRSTM wasn't just some rando uploading a soundtrack here and there, he was a large channel doing it constantly on a regular basis and a lot of people watched those uploads.
I was talking about the IP, not necessarily the music. Nintendo owns Mario, and SquareEnix owns the characters original to it. Nintendo reserves the rights to re-release the game, but I'm pretty sure they need the O.K. from SquareEnix.
The videos were mock-ups for Smash remixes. It was in the titles as well as the videos themselves. I think PapaGenos has screenshots of them in his videos that mention it.
I still have not found a source on this image but it wasn't really a talking point. It makes me thing that this is another mod. The texture around the face is not smooth at all and the bottom of it's jaw blocks half of the Default Mii's face. Also I think the final nail in the coffin for this one is that this exact model was formerly a 3DS mod ported over to the Switch. Just like a lot of the recreation ones have been.
scenario.
I am a skeptic when it comes to video game leaks. I spent 80+ hours editing a 3 part documentary covering the Grinch Leak. So yeah, I have seen a lot when it comes to leaks.PS: I appreciate that you're playing devil's advocate
Remember the Grinch Leak and everything "lined up" for Issac? Just because things line up doesn't mean it's gonna happen.
There's probably one dude that's spreading this fake information. There was another anon that said the same thing with Springman and the alts, only this one didn't have Doomguy. I know its fake af because FZero and Waluigi in the greentext, but just posting it for historical purposes... Just in case.
I think that Banjo and UT having music get taken down and having characters join Smash was just a coincidence, and that they would have been taken down anyway. I mean, think about it, Banjo and Geno are more likely to get fan-made Smash stuff, since they are wanted by the more old part of the fanbase (and so more likely to be able to create fan made content), while characters like Sans, CJ (the GTA music was from his game, from what I recall), Jonesy and most 4th parties are "hahaha, le funny meme choice", so they get fanmade conent for the comedy, and they all just hapened to get taken down at the same time. I don't think that this influence Geno's chance at all.
I know, you even said you're playing DA, bb
Fair enough, though being the first result and having the entire soundtrack is still pretty visible, even if it only has like 15k views, and like 100 of them are mine.
I... guess? I still say the rights are with Square and Shimomura though.
Ah okay, if they were explicitly "Smash remixes". I wasn't actually aware of that.
For sure, I'm skeptical too, especially after Grinch Leak, but it's not like the copyright takedowns and Sm4sh costume missing are "leaks". Also not to mention that neither CacoMallow nor Mii Costume Leaker are explicitly saying "Geno is playable". As weird of a world as it would be, we could have Geno return as a (premium?) costume alongside Mallow and Smithy costumes. I don't know why in the hell they would do that, but it's still possible that it could happen and both leaks to also still be real (and Cacodemon as well for CacoMallow).
Did Isaac have anything else for him besides the leak and the leaf thing? I didn't follow Isaac so I wouldn't know. Those are the only two things I recall "going for him". Geno on the other hand, at least right now, has way more.
Fair enough. At this point, it's just us speculating on a wait-and-see-in-June situation, which really sucks, but at least were just 8(ish) weeks away.
Assuming it's one of the five spirits, I disagree. At the very least, it tears down the biggest wall that a lot of detractors have that
Note: Didn't expect this part of the post to go on for so long, but it did. Sorry!
IMO, I think given how long it's been since CacoMallow and no one has claimed credit, I'm 90% sure it's real. But at the same time, just because it's real doesn't really mean anything. Asides from not being explicit markers of playable Geno, we could be waiting up to a whole TWO YEARS after this leak happens (Fall 2019 to December 2021) to see which character it comes with, since it may seem like they get these Mii costumes done early.
There was a glitch on the Smash website that lined up with the leak. And the leaf thing was speculated to be a vine tree that could grow, and climb up on hence the added ladder attacks when only 2 stages use ladders. So it was a bit more multifaceted then on the surface.
This. Sakurai is all about making characters look EXACTLY like their most iconic design they've had. Many people consider the Smash design of characters to be the absolute perfect and most iconic version of their design. Hell, the street fighter community were jealous af that our Ryu/Ken looked exactly how they wanted them to look in their OWN GAMES. That's a good point you made about that image, if they were going to bring in Cacodemon it would look more darker red like the original from 64.
Wait til June to make that conclusion. If this year is a big Mario year, I don't see why they would delay a Mario-esque character til next year for that, unless they're trying to surprise us because we already have all this stuff pointing to him.
What glitch? Do you have a source by chance? I'm just asking because I have no idea.
Speculation != evidence/leaks though. The leaf thing I just remember it looking like something from the game; I don't remember anything outside of that.
Boy, this won't go well for those leakers.
It would be nice whether in cutscene form or in actual gameplay footage
Another thing is that the original cacodemon mii from November was friendlier than in 1993, like the new stuffed animals, being a mini censorship, why not this one? Someone would say, but from November to here the design would have changed, but I see it very unlikely, so that's just a mod, which is strange because it has the body of sans, but I've seen ultimate mods
Both Nintendo and Sakurai have said that the reason why gameplay was not shown is because the character has special Gimmicks never before seen in the saga, I suppose a Down B in which you can change variants of Arms (I know that in Arms it is You can put a different fist on each arm but I feel it would be very complicated so you can only put the same fist on both hands) BTW: Nobody jokes that Twintelle fights with her hair instead of her arms
