Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Organization XIII]

I still think the fan base really needs to reevaluate its stance on ATs. These were the characters the dev team thought were worth putting more time into in the first place so if they are going to rethink a character that's in the game already it will be one of them. 3rd parties notwithstanding as there's more to consider there. They even have systems in place to remove ATs from circulation based on certain factors. Really it's more likely we are to receive a character upgrade from one who has a costume or AT over one that has just a spirit. Again not counting 3rd parties.

 

[DaxMasterix]

Watch it the new fighter being "♪!?" instead of Geno and people using that as a fact to keep saying that Spirit deconfirm but the Current Geno Spirit was just the doll.
But about that, Calling the fighter ♪!? instead of Geno would be a great move I think. (My apologies for the Announcer)

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Calling the fighter ♪!? instead of Geno would be a great move I think. (My apologies for the Announcer)

"HEART NOTE EXCLAMATION?"

 

[zferolie]

While i would love to see waluigi in if he reps the party, kart, and sporta games woth his moveset, i just dont see any AT being upgraded right now. If im wrong thats fine

 

[Polarthief]

Sigran101 (can't quote cuz you did the double-quote thing) It's a Three Houses video that, not in the context of Smash, was just like Isabelle's video of "oh, what is this about? The next AC game?". It was meant to be a surprise Smash reveal. Sakurai said it himself that you'll "probably know who it is right away", implying that in the context of Smash, it doesn't make sense because, yeah, the reveal is ruined immediately. In a direct though, you wouldn't instantly know it was Byleth in Smash. You'd assume it's some kind of other DLC or something.

But about that, Calling the fighter ♪!? instead of Geno would be a great move I think. (My apologies for the Announcer)

I'd love if text-wise he was ♪!?, but any voice clip pronouncing his name, it was Geno, because it's too hard for humans and other species that can speak common languages to pronounce correctly, so they just call him after the doll he inhabited.

"HEART NOTE EXCLAMATION?"

However you pronounce "♪", you just have to be loud/yelling it, with the question-like inflection at the end of it.

 

[DaxMasterix]

I'd love if text-wise he was ♪!?, but any voice clip pronouncing his name, it was Geno, because it's too hard for humans and other species that can speak common languages to pronounce correctly, so they just call him after the doll he inhabited.

I mean, his name in the Character Selection could be ♪!? and the Announcer could say "Geno" anyways, I guess?

 

[Deleted member]

With Geno being among the last long time requested characters, if Sakurai knew for sure that he would not be playable, don’t you think Geno could of been an assist trophy this game since Square is involved again? And since Sakurai thought 1 or maybe 2 characters after the first pass, Geno may very well be one of them as another fan pick. On my stance on ATs, I think it’s possible but not very likely but hopeful. They’ve done several situations with NPCs like Alucard programmed not being in the Wii Fit stage. All they have to do is doing some programming making the Waluigi assist trophy not available while playable Waluigi is present. Sakurai made the “Extravagant Additions” comment that could mean anything but it seems likely that they exceed on the money and resources than necessary. If Nintendo has interest in Waluigi, they can simply make Sakurai work on him whether he’s on board or not.

 

[DaxMasterix]

With Geno being among the last long time requested characters, if Sakurai knew for sure that he would not be playable, don’t you think Geno could of been an assist trophy this game since Square is involved again? And since Sakurai thought 1 or maybe 2 characters after the first pass, Geno may very well be one of them as another fan pick. On my stance on ATs, I think it’s possible but not very likely but hopeful. They’ve done several situations with NPCs like Alucard programmed not being in the Wii Fit stage. All they have to do is doing some programming making the Waluigi assist trophy not available while playable Waluigi is present. Sakurai made the “Extravagant Additions” comment that could mean anything but it seems likely that they exceed on the money and resources than necessary. If Nintendo has interest in Waluigi, they can simply make Sakurai work on him whether he’s on board or not.

Before Nov 1 2018 I was hoping for a Geno reveal with Mallow AT (Healing you and Shocking Opponents) :<

 

[Polarthief]

I mean, his name in the Character Selection could be ♪!? and the Announcer could say "Geno" anyways, I guess?

Yes, exactly. Same with the victory screen. I know it won't happen but still.

With Geno being among the last long time requested characters, if Sakurai knew for sure that he would not be playable, don’t you think Geno could of been an assist trophy this game since Square is involved again?

Exactly, plus Sakurai's originally-wanted 5th character was pushed aside in favor of Byleth by Nintendo (since they have the final say on characters). It could have easily been Geno, which is why he wasn't an AT and his Sm4sh costume is still AWOL.

And since Sakurai thought 1 or maybe 2 characters after the first pass, Geno may very well be one of them as another fan pick.

Woah wait, what? Are you saying as a DLC AT? No, what? No. Stop this thinking immediately, unless I'm not reading what you're intending to say correctly.

Before Nov 1 2018 I was hoping for a Geno reveal with Mallow AT (Healing you and Shocking Opponents) :<

On rare occasions, he would also announce to everyone that a fighter was at X% damage, with Y stocks left, and give info about their inner thoughts (kinda like a Palutena's Guidance, but just one quick line based on the character it is).

 

[Icewolff92]

If Nintendo has interest in Waluigi, they can simply make Sakurai work on him whether he’s on board or not.

So you are saying that Waluigi will never get in then?

 

[Sigran101]

Sigran101 (can't quote cuz you did the double-quote thing) It's a Three Houses video that, not in the context of Smash, was just like Isabelle's video of "oh, what is this about? The next AC game?". It was meant to be a surprise Smash reveal. Sakurai said it himself that you'll "probably know who it is right away", implying that in the context of Smash, it doesn't make sense because, yeah, the reveal is ruined immediately. In a direct though, you wouldn't instantly know it was Byleth in Smash. You'd assume it's some kind of other DLC or something.



I'd love if text-wise he was ♪!?, but any voice clip pronouncing his name, it was Geno, because it's too hard for humans and other species that can speak common languages to pronounce correctly, so they just call him after the doll he inhabited.



However you pronounce "♪", you just have to be loud/yelling it, with the question-like inflection at the end of it.

I know that's the argument. But that's far from proof that a general direct was delayed. There could be any number of reasons why it was not shown in a direct. And it's a huge assumption to say it was meant to be in a direct to begin with. Smash reveal trailers are all over the place. Like I said, at the very best, it's a single piece of evidence, not proof.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, exactly. Same with the victory screen. I know it won't happen but still.



Exactly, plus Sakurai's originally-wanted 5th character was pushed aside in favor of Byleth by Nintendo (since they have the final say on characters). It could have easily been Geno, which is why he wasn't an AT and his Sm4sh costume is still AWOL.



Woah wait, what? Are you saying as a DLC AT? No, what? No. Stop this thinking immediately, unless I'm not reading what you're intending to say correctly.



On rare occasions, he would also announce to everyone that a fighter was at X% damage, with Y stocks left, and give info about their inner thoughts (kinda like a Palutena's Guidance, but just one quick line based on the character it is).

I said ATs are possible but unlikely.

So you are saying that Waluigi will never get in then?

That’s not what I said at all... if Nintendo has Waluigi in consideration just for the fans than yes he could very well happen

Edit: Mods fix this please this 2 posts were suppose to be in 1 dunno I thought I hit reply on my other post.

 

[DaxMasterix]

I thought I hit reply on my other post.

Well, in that case, you're supposed to edit it, not to reply your own post

 

[Deleted member]

Well, in that case, you're supposed to edit it, not to reply your own post

Yeah I thought I edit and reply. Oh well

 

[Icewolff92]

That’s not what I said at all... if Nintendo has Waluigi in consideration just for the fans than yes he could very well happen

And I wrote that since there is not an optimal business move to put him as DLC when there are first parties that you can promote new games for or fan-favorite third parties that you can use to strengthen the relationship with said company

 

[TriggerX]

And I wrote that since there is not an optimal business move to put him as DLC when there are first parties that you can promote new games for or fan-favorite third parties that you can use to strengthen the relationship with said company

This I would have to agree with, but this logic places Geno in a poor situation as well.

 

[Icewolff92]

This I would have to agree with, but this logic places Geno in a poor situation as well.

Not really. Because Geno is in the "strong the relationship with a third party company" which would be Square in this cause. With the promoting part, to elaborate, I meant another Byleth.

 

[Deleted member]

And I wrote that since there is not an optimal business move to put him as DLC when there are first parties that you can promote new games for or fan-favorite third parties that you can use to strengthen the relationship with said company

Well, there’s Banjo. Despite him being a fan favorite, he’s not a good business pick. Yes, adding a character can strengthen the relationship of a company, but you can say the same thing for any other character that is way more beneficial. A lot of people were saying the Steve will be in because he’s much more profitable by a long shot because the popularity and success. The last Banjo game is an XBOX 360 exclusive that sold bad. There’s no Banjo game and no sign of Rare Replay. Sakurai telling the audience to play Banjo on the XBOX is the complete opposite of beneficial and got the XBOX trending in Japan. You can say the same thing for Geno. Nintendo has passed through 20+ years without him and Square could still rather prioritize other franchises. Nintendo could very well choose Paper Mario as the Mario RPG rep since it requires no negotiation with Square and promote the upcoming game.

 

[TriggerX]

Not really. Because Geno is in the "strong the relationship with a third party company" which would be Square in this cause (with the promoting part, to elaborate, I meant another Byleth)

First, Nintendo and Square's relationship is already on decent terms. For Square, Including Geno is a step down from additions like Cloud and Hero.
Unless SMRPG is getting some kind of remake or port, Square doesn't benefit as much as they would from Nintendo using another character.
From a business stand point, if Square had its way, Geno would be the last character they would want to include in smash.

2B, Lara Croft, and even Sora, are all better picks in their favor.


Edit: Once again, its not that I don't believe Geno doesn't have a chance, but its obvious that he isn't the smartest business move for both companies. If he's added to the roster its just due to fan demand.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

I suggested this on Star Road, but why don't we try to get Jerma involved with Operation Starfall somehow? SMRPG is one of his favorite games of all-time and he's expressed a lot of desire for getting Geno back, particularly in Smash.
Hell, his skin in Jermacraft was Geno.

Spoiler: First part of his SMRPG stream, at the point with a haha funni Exor noise

Spoiler: Cute Jerma + Geno fanart by @wotersun on Twitter

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I myself don't actually watch streamers, but someone I support watches Jerma sometimes and I think this would be a good idea. Jerma is very entertaining and definitely loves SMRPG. It would be very cool to try to reach out to him and he'd probably be up for it as he seems like a cool dude.

 

[Firox]

I think it's important to note that there ARE in fact characters Sakurai, for one reason or another, simply rejects as fighters. Not saying I like it. Not saying I agree with it, but the fact remains that some characters, despite overwhelming demand, just can't seem to get in while other, arguably less relevant characters do. I would dare say that there are some characters that would REQUIRE some outside intervention by Nintendo for them to happen. I'm not calling out any specific characters, but rather stating the fact that Sakurai does still seem to have negative biases toward certain characters that don't seem to be going away no matter how much we wish they would.

 

[Polarthief]

I know that's the argument. But that's far from proof that a general direct was delayed. There could be any number of reasons why it was not shown in a direct. And it's a huge assumption to say it was meant to be in a direct to begin with. Smash reveal trailers are all over the place. Like I said, at the very best, it's a single piece of evidence, not proof.

We're just gonna agree to disagree then; that trailer was MADE for a direct, or at the very least, 100% NOT something Smash-related. It ruined the reveal completely by being in a Sakurai (i.e., Smash-related) video.

<snip>

*points to KKR, Belmonts, Chrom, Dark Samus, Banjo, and Terry (Terry's irrelevant today, right?) as well as the tons of evidence in Geno's favor*

Just because characters aren't promoting anything doesn't mean they can't get in. Literally 40%(?) (more than that if you count Hero alts!) of FP1 were "no longer relevant" picks.

I think it's important to note that there ARE in fact characters Sakurai, for one reason or another, simply rejects as fighters. Not saying I like it. Not saying I agree with it, but the fact remains that some characters, despite overwhelming demand, just can't seem to get in while other, arguably less relevant characters do. I would dare say that there are some characters that would REQUIRE some outside intervention by Nintendo for them to happen. I'm not calling out any specific characters, but rather stating the fact that Sakurai does still seem to have negative biases toward certain characters that don't seem to be going away no matter how much we wish they would.

I actually would like to hear certain callouts if you have any theories because who at this point has been extremely demanded and left out? Geno's obviously not one of them since Sakurai has explicitly said he'd fit in perfect. ATs maybe? Steve? Shooty-shoot gunbois?

 

[Deleted member]

We're just gonna agree to disagree then; that trailer was MADE for a direct, or at the very least, 100% NOT something Smash-related. It ruined the reveal completely by being in a Sakurai (i.e., Smash-related) video.



*points to KKR, Belmonts, Chrom, Dark Samus, Banjo, and Terry (Terry's irrelevant today, right?) as well as the tons of evidence in Geno's favor*

Just because characters aren't promoting anything doesn't mean they can't get in. Literally 40%(?) (more than that if you count Hero alts!) of FP1 were "no longer relevant" picks.



I actually would like to hear certain callouts if you have any theories because who at this point has been extremely demanded and left out? Geno's obviously not one of them since Sakurai has explicitly said he'd fit in perfect. ATs maybe? Steve? Shooty-shoot gunbois?

Dude, chill out. I’m not saying Geno isn’t getting in. Ice wolf made a point saying that Waluigi isn’t getting in because he doesn’t benefit while Banjo and Geno are in the boat.

 

[Icewolff92]

Well, there’s Banjo. Despite him being a fan favorite, he’s not a good business pick. Yes, adding a character can strengthen the relationship of a company, but you can say the same thing for any other character that is way more beneficial. A lot of people were saying the Steve will be in because he’s much more profitable by a long shot because the popularity and success. The last Banjo game is an XBOX 360 exclusive that sold bad. There’s no Banjo game and no sign of Rare Replay. Sakurai telling the audience to play Banjo on the XBOX is the complete opposite of beneficial and got the XBOX trending in Japan. You can say the same thing for Geno. Nintendo has passed through 20+ years without him and Square could still rather prioritize other franchises. Nintendo could very well choose Paper Mario as the Mario RPG rep since it requires no negotiation with Square and promote the upcoming game.

But Banjo is owned by Microsoft. Getting a Microsoft rep in is a sign of creating a relationship with the company. That¨s the difference. Like I said. Being marketing material (aka Byleth) or fan favorite that strengthens the relationship with said company is the smartest way to go. Granted, there is also the option of having another Hero... but unless Sepiroth is in, I can¨t really see "fanfavorite+marketing" happen in this pass.

First, Nintendo and Square's relationship is already on decent terms. For Square, Including Geno is a step down from additions like Cloud and Hero.
Unless SMRPG is getting some kind of remake or port, Square doesn't benefit as much as they would from Nintendo using another character.
From a business stand point, if Square had its way, Geno would be the last character they would want to include in smash.

Not necessarily. There is something called, I scratch your back, your scratch mine which goes on a lot when it comes to videogame and movie industry. Geno could be that type of deal.

Just because characters aren't promoting anything doesn't mean they can't get in. Literally 40%(?) (more than that if you count Hero alts!) of FP1 were "no longer relevant" picks.

Companies will always have a different mindset when it comes to DLC and base game. Plus read what I said. I said that Geno and Banjo make more sense in the long term then Waluigi does for DLC.

 

[Polarthief]

Dude, chill out. I’m not saying Geno isn’t getting in. Ice wolf made a point saying that Waluigi isn’t getting in because he doesn’t benefit while Banjo and Geno are in the boat.

I'm absolutely chill, but you're talking about ATs being thrown in as DLC (as in new ATs, not AT promotions) and talking about "bad for business" picks which have been proven to not matter.

Companies will always have a different mindset when it comes to DLC and base game. Plus read what I said. I said that Geno and Banjo make more sense in the long term then Waluigi does for DLC.

I definitely wasn't disagreeing with that; hell I wasn't even replying to you

 

[Icewolff92]

I definitely wasn't disagreeing with that; hell I wasn't even replying to you

It was a misunderstanding. My bad

 

[TX-55]

Hiya everybody, don't remember when's the last time I visited this thread, hope you're all healthy and well throughout this coronavirus crisis.

Going straight into Smash discussion.
Honestly, I'm surprised some are still dismissive of Waluigi getting promoted in Ultimate.
But it's only natural, I have always been a Waluigi fan more than a Geno one, I always searched for anything positive regarding Waluigi's chances, so I can't really complain when some who aren't fans of the Wah don't see him as legitimate, it's the same view I had for a number of characters, Geno included.
I think it's best to look from different point of views to get the full picture, that's just my opinion.

But here's the problem, Waluigi has never (and I say this as a true Waluigi fan) had so much going for him than he did after his deconfirmation in E3 2018.
Everything changed the moment his AT appeared (for the third time in a row) after Daisy's reveal.

Nintendo has never acknowledged a deconfirmed character like they did with Waluigi. They talked specifically about "Waluigi in Smash Ultimate", not once, not twice, not thrice, but FOUR TIMES.

Suddenly, Nintendo was paying more attention towards Waluigi.
We got a new animated intro for an already finished game, Mario Tennis Aces, featuring Wario and Waluigi.
We got Dr. Waluigi, who I'd argue is more impressive since he isn't as big as Donkey Kong, or easy to clone as Daisy.
We got Bus Driver Waluigi for Mario Kart Tour, a new alternate look for the Wah, Waluigi gained an alt before a lot of characters, including Luigi and Wario.

Waluigi has been gaining a lot of attention from pretty much everyone after his deconfirmation, I'd even argue that the impact of his deconfirmation was much stronger than that of super requests like Ridley or K Rool.

And Nintendo teased something Waluigi related back in May 27th 2019. The paragon leak was around the same time, and according to it, we were getting Waluigi and Undertale content in some form, and we did!
Sans is a premium Mii costume, with Megalovania included.

And lastly, people forget that Waluigi is an ancient AT.
The time and resources spent on porting his Brawl AT isn't comparable to ATs made from scratch like Alucard or Bomberman.
Plus, he's a recognizable first party character, so no licensing hoops to go through.

He always had the moveset potential, he is currently one of the most, if not the most requested character for Smash. He will never get the same backing he has right now.
I personally believe that if Waluigi was gonna be included in Smash, now's the time.
If he doesn't get added now in Ultimate, then it's done, it's over.
There's no Waluigi for Smash 6.

 

[Deleted member]

But Banjo is owned by Microsoft. That¨s the difference. Like I said. Being marketing material (aka Byleth) or fan favorite that strengthens the relationship with said company. Granted, there is also the option of having another Hero... but unless Sepiroth is in, I can¨t really see "fanfavorite+marketing" happen in this pass.




Not necessarily. There is something called, I scratch your back, your scratch mine which goes on a lot when it comes to videogame and movie industry. Geno could be that type of deal.

Like I said, you could say the same thing for other characters but more beneficial. Microsoft is still a competitor nonetheless, Minecraft crossplay benefits both companies as saying people should play a game on the XBOX benefits Microsoft more. That is still not a good move. Lara Croft catches the mainstream audiences while Geno is for hardcore fans. It’s not gonna bother Nintendo picking a fan favorite for 1st party when Nintendo could of made a way better choice for a franchise owned by a competitor that benefits both companies nowadays.

I'm absolutely chill, but you're talking about ATs being thrown in as DLC (as in new ATs, not AT promotions) and talking about "bad for business" picks which have been proven to not matter.



I definitely wasn't disagreeing with that; hell I wasn't even replying to you

Bad business picks not matter has been my point all along for Waluigi talking about Banjo and Geno are in the same boat. I’m talking about Waluigi being an assist trophy not Geno being an assist trophy and then being promoted. This is Square, we don’t know if they are open making Geno playable.

 

[Firox]

I actually would like to hear certain callouts if you have any theories because who at this point has been extremely demanded and left out? Geno's obviously not one of them since Sakurai has explicitly said he'd fit in perfect. ATs maybe? Steve? Shooty-shoot gunbois?

Fine, since you twisted my arm I guess I'll just throw it out there. Just don't lynch me or anything. These are just my opinions:

1) Waluigi (obviously) - Why? Just reread my posts/responses over the last page or so. Tons of fan demand. 1st party. Been around since Brawl....and still no dice. Meanwhile, we've seen the likes of Rosalina, Daisy and PP get in. If PP alone isn't a massive kick to Waluigi's nuts, I really don't know what is. Sakurai, for whatever reason, just REALLY doesn't seem to care about this guy. Sorry, he just doesn't. I see ZERO evidence to the contrary. Period.

2) Isaac - Similar to Waluigi with a once sizeable fan base, great home franchise, 2nd party (?), and a history dating back to Brawl. What Isaac lacks in vocal fans, he makes up for in what could potentially be the rival of a great and lucrative franchise. In other words, he could actually hold some serious strategic value for Nintendo aside from his fan demand, yet still he has been relegated to AT hell. This leads me to one of two conclusions: Either Nintendo doesn't gives a rat's balls about Golden Sun or Sakurai doesn't give a rat's balls about Isaac. Either way, the apathy is palpable.

3) Shadow/Knuckles (but mostly Shadow) - Another character(s) with a sizeable fan base and 3rd party "Bromance" potential, yet BOTH got the shaft without so much as a Mii costume for Shadow. After three games' worth of AT status, it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in Chancellor Valorum *ahem* Sakurai's leadership.

In short, if a character has been ATed THREE TIMES IN A ROW (though Isaac technically only twice) without any reassurances on the horizon, I wouldn't get my hopes too high unless someone else takes the helm or Nintendo decides to start/revamp a franchise around them....or they get featured in an upcoming Fire Emblem game.

Fortunately for Geno, he was never made an assist trophy, but rather a Mii costume (the closest thing to a playable character). Considering that almost ALL highly requested Mii costumes were eventually turned INTO playable characters, this puts Geno in a much better place.

DISCLAIMER: Note that I'm not bashing moveset potential, fan demand or viability of any of the characters listed. I'm simply saying that current evidence suggests that Sakurai doesn't favor these characters for whatever reason. Could they happen? I mean, technically ANYTHING could happen. Then again, anything could just as easily NOT happen. I'm not saying to give up on these characters if you still want them, just realize that it might be a fairly uphill battle.

 

[StarLight42]

Hiya everybody, don't remember when's the last time I visited this thread, hope you're all healthy and well throughout this coronavirus crisis.

Going straight into Smash discussion.
Honestly, I'm surprised some are still dismissive of Waluigi getting promoted in Ultimate.
But it's only natural, I have always been a Waluigi fan more than a Geno one, I always searched for anything positive regarding Waluigi's chances, so I can't really complain when some who aren't fans of the Wah don't see him as legitimate, it's the same view I had for a number of characters, Geno included.
I think it's best to look from different point of views to get the full picture, that's just my opinion.

But here's the problem, Waluigi has never (and I say this as a true Waluigi fan) had so much going for him than he did after his deconfirmation in E3 2018.
Everything changed the moment his AT appeared (for the third time in a row) after Daisy's reveal.

Nintendo has never acknowledged a deconfirmed character like they did with Waluigi. They talked specifically about "Waluigi in Smash Ultimate", not once, not twice, not thrice, but FOUR TIMES.

Suddenly, Nintendo was paying more attention towards Waluigi.
We got a new animated intro for an already finished game, Mario Tennis Aces, featuring Wario and Waluigi.
We got Dr. Waluigi, who I'd argue is more impressive since he isn't as big as Donkey Kong, or easy to clone as Daisy.
We got Bus Driver Waluigi for Mario Kart Tour, a new alternate look for the Wah, Waluigi gained an alt before a lot of characters, including Luigi and Wario.

Waluigi has been gaining a lot of attention from pretty much everyone after his deconfirmation, I'd even argue that the impact of his deconfirmation was much stronger than that of super requests like Ridley or K Rool.

And Nintendo teased something Waluigi related back in May 27th 2019. The paragon leak was around the same time, and according to it, we were getting Waluigi and Undertale content in some form, and we did!
Sans is a premium Mii costume, with Megalovania included.

And lastly, people forget that Waluigi is an ancient AT.
The time and resources spent on porting his Brawl AT isn't comparable to ATs made from scratch like Alucard or Bomberman.
Plus, he's a recognizable first party character, so no licensing hoops to go through.

He always had the moveset potential, he is currently one of the most, if not the most requested character for Smash. He will never get the same backing he has right now.
I personally believe that if Waluigi was gonna be included in Smash, now's the time.
If he doesn't get added now in Ultimate, then it's done, it's over.
There's no Waluigi for Smash 6.

Exactly.
I really can’t applaud you enough, man. This “Waluigi is not coming to Ultimate but will be in Smash 6” stuff is so stupid. We don’t even know IF there will be a Smash 6, and if there is, it’s going to be a massive roster cut down to the point where Waluigi has a better chance of getting into this game than he ever will for the “Smash 6”

I mean, the Geno thread is one of the last places on earth I thought i’d hear “give up hope for this character, he’s never happening”, and yet, here we are. It’s incredibly obnoxious and quite frankly in the midst of this coronavirus scare I don’t even want to think about this stupid **** when there are much bigger things to worry about. I’m just about ready to tap out of Smash speculation completely, I already deleted Discord off of my phone today.

it’s time to just play video games to no end until that direct comes

 

[Icewolff92]

Like I said, you could say the same thing for other characters but more beneficial. Microsoft is still a competitor nonetheless, Minecraft crossplay benefits both companies as saying people should play a game on the XBOX benefits Microsoft more. That is still not a good move. Lara Croft catches mainstream audience while Geno is for hardcore fans. It’s not gonna bother Nintendo picking a fan favorite for 1st party when Nintendo could of made a way better choice for a franchise that benefits both companies nowadays.

Sure, they could think with the Hero mindset only. But they are still 3rd parties. That¨s my entire point. It is still more beneficial than a first-party that is not even market something that is coming up.

Bad business picks not matter has been my point all along for Waluigi talking about Banjo and Geno are in the same boat. I’m talking about Waluigi being an assist trophy not Geno being an assist trophy and then being promoted. This is Square, we don’t know if they are open making Geno playable.

No, he is not in the same boat in Banjo and Geno due to he is first, the latter two is third parties

I really can’t applaud you enough, man. This “Waluigi is not coming to Ultimate but will be in Smash 6” stuff is so stupid. We don’t even know IF there will be a Smash 6, and if there is, it’s going to be a massive roster cut down to the point where Waluigi has a better chance of getting into this game than he ever will for the “Smash 6”

Yes, because discuss a topic is so wrong

@Beandini

To clarify - Create an I scratch yours, your scratch our back with another company or market another game > the first party that does not market anything. That¨s the TLDR version of what I¨m trying to say. Banjo and Geno are in the first scenario which is why they are not in the same boat as Waluigi.

Could Waluigi be in? Sure.. I could be 100% wrong and if I am, I¨m happy for the fans. But to say that Waluigi is in the same boat as Geno or Banjo is nothing but wrong on so many levels.

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

Exactly.
I really can’t applaud you enough, man. This “Waluigi is not coming to Ultimate but will be in Smash 6” stuff is so stupid. We don’t even know IF there will be a Smash 6, and if there is, it’s going to be a massive roster cut down to the point where Waluigi has a better chance of getting into this game than he ever will for the “Smash 6”

I mean, the Geno thread is one of the last places on earth I thought i’d hear “give up hope for this character, he’s never happening”, and yet, here we are. It’s incredibly obnoxious and quite frankly in the midst of this coronavirus scare I don’t even want to think about this stupid **** when there are much bigger things to worry about. I’m just about ready to tap out of Smash speculation completely, I already deleted Discord off of my phone today.

it’s time to just play video games to no end until that direct comes

Okay so you asked for opinions, I gave you mine, and you got angry at me; but the one that is in favor of Waluigi is the one you applaud and praise

That's not asking for opinions, that's asking for what you want to hear. Like, I may hate it when people dump on Geno or Sora but hearing both sides of the argument is important, at least I think so anyway

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Hiya everybody, don't remember when's the last time I visited this thread, hope you're all healthy and well throughout this coronavirus crisis.

Going straight into Smash discussion.
Honestly, I'm surprised some are still dismissive of Waluigi getting promoted in Ultimate.
But it's only natural, I have always been a Waluigi fan more than a Geno one, I always searched for anything positive regarding Waluigi's chances, so I can't really complain when some who aren't fans of the Wah don't see him as legitimate, it's the same view I had for a number of characters, Geno included.
I think it's best to look from different point of views to get the full picture, that's just my opinion.

But here's the problem, Waluigi has never (and I say this as a true Waluigi fan) had so much going for him than he did after his deconfirmation in E3 2018.
Everything changed the moment his AT appeared (for the third time in a row) after Daisy's reveal.

Nintendo has never acknowledged a deconfirmed character like they did with Waluigi. They talked specifically about "Waluigi in Smash Ultimate", not once, not twice, not thrice, but FOUR TIMES.

Suddenly, Nintendo was paying more attention towards Waluigi.
We got a new animated intro for an already finished game, Mario Tennis Aces, featuring Wario and Waluigi.
We got Dr. Waluigi, who I'd argue is more impressive since he isn't as big as Donkey Kong, or easy to clone as Daisy.
We got Bus Driver Waluigi for Mario Kart Tour, a new alternate look for the Wah, Waluigi gained an alt before a lot of characters, including Luigi and Wario.

Waluigi has been gaining a lot of attention from pretty much everyone after his deconfirmation, I'd even argue that the impact of his deconfirmation was much stronger than that of super requests like Ridley or K Rool.

And Nintendo teased something Waluigi related back in May 27th 2019. The paragon leak was around the same time, and according to it, we were getting Waluigi and Undertale content in some form, and we did!
Sans is a premium Mii costume, with Megalovania included.

And lastly, people forget that Waluigi is an ancient AT.
The time and resources spent on porting his Brawl AT isn't comparable to ATs made from scratch like Alucard or Bomberman.
Plus, he's a recognizable first party character, so no licensing hoops to go through.

He always had the moveset potential, he is currently one of the most, if not the most requested character for Smash. He will never get the same backing he has right now.
I personally believe that if Waluigi was gonna be included in Smash, now's the time.
If he doesn't get added now in Ultimate, then it's done, it's over.
There's no Waluigi for Smash 6.

Well said! Waluigi is not a character that I personally want much as I don't see much insteresting moveset potential but I'm sure Sakurai would find a way to make him comical and fun and I certainly wouldn't count him out or mind if he got in. I see most speculated characters as about 50% possibility including Waluigi. And from what I remember, when Fatman was discussing Waluigi there didn't really seem to be a legitimate reason that people were discounting him other than "he's Waluigi". As far as first party picks go, I can't see many other characters stand up to him except for maybe BWD or maybe King Boo or a shill pick.

I am not sure I agree with your last point though as it seems like a lot of fanbases have this "if they don't make it in this game then pack it up boys" mentality that I truly do not understand. The stakes for Geno are much higher than other commonly speculated characters due to his awkward legal limbo and one off character status so I understand it to a degree for him, but Waluigi could absolutely make it in any future Smash game without issue.

 

[StarLight42]

Okay so you asked for opinions, I gave you mine, and you got angry at me; but the one that is in favor of Waluigi is the one you applaud and praise

That's not asking for opinions, that's asking for what you want to hear. Like, I may hate it when people dump on Geno or Sora but hearing both sides of the argument is important, at least I think so anyway

...I asked for Fatman's opinion and you butted in. Stop trying to put your tail between your legs and acting like you're innocent. You knew exactly what you were doing.

This is the exact thing that a lot of Geno fans hate to see. And not just with Waluigi, you've been particularly toxic towards the fans of Steve from Minecraft too because of a handful of trolls on 4chan who were posting grotesque steve memes, so you've been homogenizing every single fan of the character as terrible people who shouldn't get their character. It's downright toxic and i've called you out for it before, only to be met with no response because you likely know exactly what you're doing and probably just don't care.

 

[Deleted member]

@Beandini

To clarify - Create an I scratch yours, your scratch our back with another company or market another game > the first party that does not market anything. That¨s the TLDR version of what I¨m trying to say. Banjo and Geno are in the first scenario which is why they are not in the same boat as Waluigi.

Could Waluigi be in? Sure.. I could be 100% wrong and if I am, I¨m happy for the fans. But to say that Waluigi is in the same boat as Geno or Banjo is nothing but wrong on so many levels.

I wouldn’t say wrong on many levels. If we’re talking about a scratch yours and scratch mine, Geno does not fit that...he doesn’t benefit Square being only there for pure fan demand. I have a hard time believing Geno is the type of character that strengthens relations. That would only be DQ and FF especially Hero and DQ11 marketing. Don’t you think Square and Nintendo relationships are already very high with Cloud and Hero in Smash, FF ports including 7, DQ, Octopath, Mana, Braverly Default and etc? How exactly would that be comparable to any of these? It’s a collaboration nonetheless, but Square would feel so much better with the marketing and exposure for their franchises. Guess we’ll agree to disagree.

 

[Icewolff92]

I wouldn’t say wrong on many levels. If we’re talking about a scratch yours and scratch mine, Geno does not fit that...he doesn’t benefit Square being only there for pure fan demand. I have a hard time believing Geno is the type of character that strengthens relations. That would only be DQ and FF especially Hero and DQ11 marketing. Don’t you think Square and Nintendo relationships are already very high with Cloud and Hero in Smash, FF ports including 7, DQ, Octopath, Mana, Braverly Default and etc? How exactly would that be comparable to any of these? It’s a collaboration nonetheless, but Square would feel so much better with the marketing and exposure for their franchises. Guess we’ll agree to disagree.

He does fit if Nintendo wants him but Square wants something in return. What it could be, we don¨t know because we are not a fly in either Square or Nintendos headquarters.

 

[Firox]

Alright, guys, let's keep it nice and civil here. This IS a public forum so you have to accept if other people are going to weigh in on what you have to say just as much as you can weigh in on them. At the end of the day, I'm just curious if anyone has any substantial evidence as to whether Waluigi has a shot of getting in BESIDES personal bias or self-drawn logic. As in, do we have any reputable insider testimonies or suspicious activity on the part of Nintendo like music takedowns, etc. Reason being, I'm curious how that might impact Geno and the rest of FP2. If we don't have anything, then simply take note and move on.

 

[Icewolff92]

Kody has started to translate the column now
https://twitter.com/nokoloc/status/1240388284779552768

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

...I asked for Fatman's opinion and you butted in. Stop trying to put your tail between your legs and acting like you're innocent. You knew exactly what you were doing.

Yeah, and if TX-55 had "butted in" before I had you wouldn't have said a word or told him "Who asked you?" you only got angry at me because I disagreed. This is a forum where ANYONE can discuss points and topics. I didn't insult you for wanting Waluigi, I just presented my thoughts as to why I don't think he's likely. You chose to take it personally.

As for the Steve thing? You know what, you're right. I have been petty and angry about it; but when you get bullied and laughed at and turned into a huge punchline for an entire year over wanting a dumb bear in a platform fighter, it stings. I realize that feeling that way is toxic, and I have as of late tried to be more understanding about it even if I joke about it sometimes, but I also see the same behavior come out of the Geno camp being unnecessarily hostile to the Sora fans from time to time, so how come that goes unspoken?

 

[StarLight42]

Yeah, and if TX-55 had "butted in" before I had you wouldn't have said a word or told him "Who asked you?" you only got angry at me because I disagreed. This is a forum where ANYONE can discuss points and topics. I didn't insult you for wanting Waluigi, I just presented my thoughts as to why I don't think he's likely. You chose to take it personally.

As for the Steve thing? You know what, you're right. I have been petty and angry about it; but when you get bullied and laughed at and turned into a huge punchline for an entire year over wanting a dumb bear in a platform fighter, it stings. I realize that feeling that way is toxic, and I have as of late tried to be more understanding about it even if I joke about it sometimes, but I also see the same behavior come out of the Geno camp being unnecessarily hostile to the Sora fans from time to time, so how come that goes unspoken?

I didn’t take it personally, it’s just something almost anyone could’ve told me. Maybe I didn’t make myself clear enough that I was asking for Fatman’s thoughts.

imagine it like this, what if you wanted to ask Fatman for his thoughts on Sora’s chances as DLC, so you did, and then I came in to remind you why “he’s not happening because X and Y.” even though you were asking for Fat’s thoughts specifically and not mine, wouldn’t that annoy you a little bit? It’s a matter of perspective here.

and hey, respect for being honest on your stance on Steve. All i’m trying to say is that the steveposters actually aren’t likely to align with people who are actually passionate about the character in Smash. “Steveposters” are more likely people who bandwagoned steve just to troll Banjo fans and didn’t actually care at all about Steve being in Smash. Same kinda people are trying to bandwagon characters like 2B as the “Geno supplement” much how Steve was the “Banjo supplement”. These type of people aren’t going to go away anytime soon, and will continue to deploy their nasty agendas until said character is confirmed one way or another.

Why? Because they’re trolls.

I get that I shouldn’t be talking about Waluigi on the geno thread, I apologize. The reason I thought it was relevant was because Waluigi getting in would completely extinguish the idea that spirits deconfirm which is one of the biggest things going against Geno and a lot of characters right now, and Fatman has spoken on the topic of Waluigi before, so I just wanted to see what his current stance was, a week before the direct.

Either way, i’m willing to just move on from it all.
And Again, I apologize if it seemed like I had an extreme reaction to your post, but it’s a post that i’ve seen countless and countless times and no different from someone telling you that Sora won’t get in “cause Disney” or whatever.