Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Loliko YnT]

Yeah , the servers were down for a bit today , but now it's working fine.

Gotta remember that it's Nintendo , their online infrastructure isn't the best. Seriously , I know that the Switch is technically an handeld with an accesory that allow to play on the TV , but I had less issues with the 3DS online , so I still wonder what went wrong.

 

[Lord Woomy]

You gotta read between the lines, Bro. He obviously meant to say, "Fighter #6 has been delayed until Christmas and the rest of FP2 has been cancelled." Yeesh, you people and your blind optimism.

Oh crap, I didn't read past the paragraph where Sakurai said "I hate Geno and everything about it him. I will do everything in my power to make sure he is never a fighter in Super Smash Brothers."

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Was more thinking "maybe it hints towards a direct -> potential Smash reveal?

No, it's because everyone's online due to the coronavirus. Means nothing. Microsoft and Sony had similar issues too.

 

[Firox]

Oh crap, I didn't read past the paragraph where Sakurai said "I hate Geno and everything about it him. I will do everything in my power to make sure he is never a fighter in Super Smash Brothers."

There. See? That wasn't so hard, was it? If you read on, Sakurai says, "Abandon all hope. I will not hear your prayers. Let your dreams die in obscurity while Spirits deconfirm 90% of the most notable characters and franchises." He sounds like such a happy guy.

 

[Fatmanonice]

If there are delays it will more than likely hit the later characters than the early ones. If we were to set the parameters as early September being the literal start of Season 2's development, 6 already has had 7 1/2 months of development. There's been decent arguments that Season 2 could have started development as early as last June so that potentially tacks on an additional 3 months for 6 and 7 at the very least. If I had to guess, 6 is all but done, 7 and 8 are at least half done, and 9 is probably in the super early stages of actual development. Planning for 10 has probably started while 11 is on the back burner. Again, if there's significant delays, it will probably be for the two tail end ones, especially if we follow the evidence that 11 was successfully decided in December/January.

 

[Deleted member]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the closest thing Sakurai said to "the presentation got delayed" was "I couldn't travel to present something to a publisher" Unless there's something I missed, I think it's really twisting Sakurai's words to claim the release/presentation of FP6 was delayed.

Yeah, the translation is really weird since it’s not official yet.

 

[SSGuy]

If there are delays it will more than likely hit the later characters than the early ones. If we were to set the parameters as early September being the literal start of Season 2's development, 6 already has had 7 1/2 months of development. There's been decent arguments that Season 2 could have started development as early as last June so that potentially tacks on an additional 3 months for 6 and 7 at the very least. If I had to guess, 6 is all but done, 7 and 8 are at least half done, and 9 is probably in the super early stages of actual development. Planning for 10 has probably started while 11 is on the back burner. Again, if there's significant delays, it will probably be for the two tail end ones, especially if we follow the evidence that 11 was successfully decided in December/January.

But it will probably affect these earlier characters as well if Sakurai wants to make more videos for.

 

[pinshadow]

follow the evidence that 11 was successfully decided in December/January.

Which is? Sakurai already said in the Byleth presentation that all the characters were decided, and that was recorded in November.

 

[Deleted member]

If there are delays it will more than likely hit the later characters than the early ones. If we were to set the parameters as early September being the literal start of Season 2's development, 6 already has had 7 1/2 months of development. There's been decent arguments that Season 2 could have started development as early as last June so that potentially tacks on an additional 3 months for 6 and 7 at the very least. If I had to guess, 6 is all but done, 7 and 8 are at least half done, and 9 is probably in the super early stages of actual development. Planning for 10 has probably started while 11 is on the back burner. Again, if there's significant delays, it will probably be for the two tail end ones, especially if we follow the evidence that 11 was successfully decided in December/January.

An alternative that I mused earlier was that they genuinely didn't start working on any characters until November, and Sakurai was being 100% real with us when he said that they had started work "in earnest" on the second wave of fighters. I think it's unlikely, given the turnaround on Joker and the whole of Fighters Pass 1, but it's a real possibility.

The previous characters had their presentation recorded several months in advance of their launch date, so it does seem kind of odd that the next character would have their presentation delayed. It's nice to hope that this is only affecting a future one and we can get #6 soon, though...

 

[Firox]

Which is? Sakurai already said in the Byleth presentation that all the characters were decided, and that was recorded in November.

I can only imagine how Sakurai must have felt after people reacted to Byleth, what with FP2 having already been decided....

Salty fans: "ANOTHER swordsman?! WTF, Sakurai?! I swear, if one more anime swordsman gets in the game, we going to fly to Japan and beat you like a piñata!"

(Sakurai stuffs the plans for Sora, Dante and Lloyd into his desk)

Sakurai: "I dunno, guys. Nintendo works in mysterious ways...."

 

[CommanderZaktan]

hey fat, so there's a rumor that Hayabusa was planned to be in FP1, but due to leaks he was moved to FP2 and Byleth is his replacement in FP1. Is this true?

 

[MisterMike]

Indie World went about as good as I thought it'd would. Blue Fire looks pretty cool, and I know that a lot of people are excited for Exit the Gungeon.

Seeing my Mewtwo get cut in Brawl was a huge kick in the ***** for me. I was very sad when I didn't see him in the character select screen after unlocking Wolf completing Brawl's roster.

For me it was Roy. I was real bummed to see him go in Brawl, especially since there was leftover data found in the game for him, suggesting he was supposed to stick around. Him coming back in 4 was definitely the high point of that game for me.

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God ****ing damn it, how can things get any worse...

"Good year to be a plumber"

Maybe Odyssey 2 will be revealed at the E3 Direct?

More like "Mario's Plumbing School", if you ask me.

 

[Polarthief]

Salty fans: "ANOTHER swordsman?! WTF, Sakurai?! I swear, if one more anime swordsman gets in the game, we going to fly to Japan and beat you like a piñata!"

People were significantly more pissed at FE than Byleth's primary weapon being a sword, especially considering they still do have 3 other weapons in their kit.

(Sakurai stuffs the plans for Sora, Dante and Lloyd into his desk)

I feel like none of those characters would play like "swordusers" though, Lloyd especially since he's very agile and also dual-wields which is kinda neat. Dante's got a bunch of demonic stuff, and Sora... ... Meh. But he's got spells and stuff too.

 

[Icewolff92]

No, it's because everyone's online due to the coronavirus. Means nothing. Microsoft and Sony had similar issues too.

I was more thinking about the screenshot which is what I thought the mod where talking about

 

[Firox]

People were significantly more pissed at FE than Byleth's primary weapon being a sword, especially considering they still do have 3 other weapons in their kit.



I feel like none of those characters would play like "swordusers" though, Lloyd especially since he's very agile and also dual-wields which is kinda neat. Dante's got a bunch of demonic stuff, and Sora... ... Meh. But he's got spells and stuff too.

I mean, the comment was mostly just satire. I don't personally think any of the listed characters would play generically or that people were physically hostile toward Sakurai. I just think it's funny to imagine how Sakurai feels about our comments when he already knows what's coming.

 

[Deleted member]

Do you guys think Geno is more likely earlier or later in this pass?

 

[Polarthief]

I mean, the comment was mostly just satire. I don't personally think any of the listed characters would play generically or that people were physically hostile toward Sakurai. I just think it's funny to imagine how Sakurai feels about our comments when he already knows what's coming.

Oh I know, I'm well aware. Just saying that I don't think too many people would be unhappy since they're wanted characters anyway.

I won't be happy over Sora specifically, but meh, like I said, I don't really care if I get Geno.

Do you guys think Geno is more likely earlier or later in this pass?

Earlier for sure, assuming CacoMallow and Mii Costume Leaker are legitimate.

 

[SSGuy]

I mean, the comment was mostly just satire. I don't personally think any of the listed characters would play generically or that people were physically hostile toward Sakurai. I just think it's funny to imagine how Sakurai feels about our comments when he already knows what's coming.

Not many people were ever really that hostile to Sakurai before though. It is just a zoomer/anime mentality to literally act as degenerate or disrespectful towards Sakurai when they do not get their way. It has been a trend starting with Smash 4.

>Every fanbase of a revealed sword character that isn't Sora/Dante needs to be disrespected to the end of time and labeled as generic clone
>It's not Waluigi, Ashley, Isaac etc? Let's harass Sakurai via Social Media or customer support representatives at NoA until the end of time

These aren't a representation of everyone in these said fandoms but it's been a mentality with Smash speculation since Wii U. You didn't have this around during Brawl speculation.

I'm pretty thankful Geno's fanbase has never had these kind of outbursts. With Piranha Plant and Hero's reveals and even more so Rosalina or Cloud's reveal during Wii U days, it could have been an opportunity to give the community a really really bad look. Handling disappointment is never easy and I'm grateful we haven't had any really bad looks in the past. You guys are definitely handle emotions better than me.

 

[Megadoomer]

Do you guys think Geno is more likely earlier or later in this pass?

I'd think he'd be revealed earlier; Geno's probably one of the more consistently-requested characters out there (maybe not as consistently requested as Ridley or K. Rool were, but the demand's been there for a while), and I find that Smash reveals tend to be front-loaded.

I don't know if he'd be the first one to be revealed (I think they'd want to appeal to as broad of an audience as possible to get people to buy the second fighters pass), but I could see him being the second.

 

[Icewolff92]

People were significantly more pissed at FE than Byleth's primary weapon being a sword, especially considering they still do have 3 other weapons in their kit.

The fact that they use bow, axe, and lance is what "saved" Byleth from total damnation. And I would argue that Sword of the Creator is more of a whip then a sword. But yeah.. I would much prefer to have Byleth as a "Pokemon Trainer".

Do you guys think Geno is more likely earlier or later in this pass?

If he is in, I believe he is the next Banjo so to speak

 

[Blankiturayman]

Do you guys think Geno is more likely earlier or later in this pass?

Thinking earlier. In fact I've been mentioning it but I was thinking he could even be the first character revealed. Though if that's not the case I don't really mind.

 

[Polarthief]

If we assume we're still getting an E3 June direct with a double reveal for #7 and 8, after a single reveal (NEXT. WEEK. *glares at Nintendo*) showing off #6, I'd say he's #8 (3rd of FP2) at the latest. Somewhere in #6-8.

 

[Icewolff92]

If we assume we're still getting an E3 June direct with a double reveal, I'd say he's #8 (3rd of FP2) at the latest. Somewhere in #6-8.

Agreed. Even if it would be awesome to see him being the first, I can¨t see Nintendo view him as a "Joker". The likes of Dante is more of a Joker

 

[Firox]

Do you guys think Geno is more likely earlier or later in this pass?

I'm still very much of the belief that the longer Geno goes unrevealed, the worse his chances get. Why? Well consider this:

A) Given the timing of Cacomallow, assuming it's real, it would mean that Geno has to be within at least the first 2 or so characters of FP2. If he's not fighter 6, 7 or 8, I'm going to start getting worried. Granted, he could still make it in regardless of Cacomallow being real, but logically speaking, without any additional leaks/rumors to bolster evidence, it would mean his chances are hardly better than anyone else's.

B) I'm 99% sure that if Nintendo is going to hit us with a massive "Oh my freaking gosh, I can't believe they made it!" fan pick, then it's going to either be the opener pick or somewhere in the middle to follow the B-K formula of FP1. The last DLC character will likely either be an explosive third party pick (like Master chief, etc.) or be a dud (like Byleth or PP). Since Geno is relatively obscure to the general public at large, I'm almost positive that he will not be first or last in the fighters pass, so my money is on him being #7 or #8.

C) Going along the lines of point B, Geno's chances will effectively drop with every reveal that ISN'T him with fighter #10 being, in my opinion, the last viable slot for him to fill. This assumption is based on the simple logic that fewer slots means fewer chances, especially considering whoever gets added in the meantime. For example, if we end up seeing ZERO characters from what's left of the Smash Ballot, and only see shill characters, that will not bode well for Geno at all. As more characters get added, we'll see a clearer picture of what could be in store, albeit loosely given Sakurai's knack for the unexpected.

In short: I think he's coming earlier.

 

[Polarthief]

Agreed. Even if it would be awesome to see him being the first, I can¨t see Nintendo view him as a "Joker". The likes of Dante is more of a Joker

Mmmmm, I still think starting off with a "Spirits DON'T deconfirm!" character would be awesome for speculation. Even better if it was an AT because that would likely break Mii Costumes and Spirits, as well as ATs.

 

[MattX20]

If there are delays it will more than likely hit the later characters than the early ones. If we were to set the parameters as early September being the literal start of Season 2's development, 6 already has had 7 1/2 months of development. There's been decent arguments that Season 2 could have started development as early as last June so that potentially tacks on an additional 3 months for 6 and 7 at the very least. If I had to guess, 6 is all but done, 7 and 8 are at least half done, and 9 is probably in the super early stages of actual development. Planning for 10 has probably started while 11 is on the back burner. Again, if there's significant delays, it will probably be for the two tail end ones, especially if we follow the evidence that 11 was successfully decided in December/January.

The fact the article quoted that Sakurai couldn't present info to a publisher implies a Western rep too, so if we're to guess, Microsoft or Activision are the likely ones for this.

 

[Icewolff92]

The fact the article quoted that Sakurai couldn't present info to a publisher implies a Western rep too, so if we're to guess, Microsoft or Activision are the likely ones for this.

I don¨t know.. Japan suffers from corona to right now so and we don¨t know how the companies over there is handling their working structures right now

 

[MisterMike]

Do you guys think Geno is more likely earlier or later in this pass?

If the general timeframe for making characters lines up, and if any of the things that've popped up since July are worth anything, I reckon he'd be earlier rather than later. Any time is good, though.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

If there are delays it will more than likely hit the later characters than the early ones. If we were to set the parameters as early September being the literal start of Season 2's development, 6 already has had 7 1/2 months of development. There's been decent arguments that Season 2 could have started development as early as last June so that potentially tacks on an additional 3 months for 6 and 7 at the very least. If I had to guess, 6 is all but done, 7 and 8 are at least half done, and 9 is probably in the super early stages of actual development. Planning for 10 has probably started while 11 is on the back burner. Again, if there's significant delays, it will probably be for the two tail end ones, especially if we follow the evidence that 11 was successfully decided in December/January.

I imagine that there are going to be delays for at least every character after #6, but chances are that one will probably see a delay as well, depending on when it's intended to be released of course. It's really just a question of time before all development is put on hold momentarily, not just for Smash, but for everything in Japan in general. Here in Denmark everything that's not a necessity for society to run has already been locked down, and we're only just ahead of Japan when it comes to confirmed cases (granted we're a far smaller population), it's just about when Japan decides to take the issue seriously, the minute they do (the sooner the better) something as trivial as video game development will be halted immediately.

If we get the rumored Direct next week, I expect that's going to be the last thing we'll hear out of Nintendo for quite a while. It won't be too long before Japan's hand is forced, even if they've played ignorant so far.

 

[MrJudd]

I think Geno's probably #7 or #8. With these delays, it's possible that June is a single reveal instead of a double, meaning that we could be waiting until September for a Geno announcement. Aside from that, I think Nintendo Directs will keep their planned dates (March/June/September), but they may spread things out / show games farther away from release (unlikely) / use some of the games that are "on hold" to fill in the gaps until all is back to normal (or just the eShop exclusives).

 

[pinshadow]

Do you people even read the translations? All that we know is that Sakurai wasn't able to meet with a company to discuss something Smash related. That's it. The whole thing about stuff getting shut down and development stopping is IF someone in the office got the virus, not that anything is actually delayed.

Atleast wait until the actual article is out and fully translated before making rash assumptions about this stuff, christ.

 

[JarBear]

Are we going to have the FP2 card out before a direct to announce the fighter? This is such a strange situation. Or maybe the release will be delayed, the card that is? Man, strange times.

 

[ForsakenM]

Do you people even read the translations? All that we know is that Sakurai wasn't able to meet with a company to discuss something Smash related. That's it. The whole thing about stuff getting shut down and development stopping is IF someone in the office got the virus, not that anything is actually delayed.

Atleast wait until the actual article is out and fully translated before making rash assumptions about this stuff, christ.

Thank you for being observant and reasonable. I know I've been more aggressive here but this is a perfect example of why. Feels like people lack basic reading comprehension and critical thinking.

 

[Icewolff92]

Are we going to have the FP2 card out before a direct to announce the fighter? This is such a strange situation. Or maybe the release will be delayed, the card that is? Man, strange times.

This entire year is insane as a whole

 

[Deleted member]

The Indie World was okay...

"Good year to be a plumber"

Maybe Odyssey 2 will be revealed at the E3 Direct?

If this happens I'll flip out my favourite game if it gets a sequel I'll go nuts.


So yeah Indie World was aight. Baldo, The Last Campire look interesting. But nothing too big. Still these are fun look forward to them.


It sucks the Smash DLC might get delayed but understandable so makes sense. My best to the team I look forward to the characters when they release.


Okay now next week please let our Nintendo Direct be here.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Do you people even read the translations? All that we know is that Sakurai wasn't able to meet with a company to discuss something Smash related. That's it. The whole thing about stuff getting shut down and development stopping is IF someone in the office got the virus, not that anything is actually delayed.

Atleast wait until the actual article is out and fully translated before making rash assumptions about this stuff, christ.

My comment isn't at all based on the little snippet from Sakurai's column we got today and only based on keeping up with worldwide news, as well as living somewhere where the virus has already forced the country to effectively shut down. I don't really see what's so unbelievable about the development of a video game being put on hold over this considering all the things that have already been postponed, suspended or even outright cancelled across the globe, and we're talking about events from which companies and organizations are losing millions upon millions of dollars. Like, when there's major pressure for the Tokyo Olympics to be postponed/cancelled, chances are that something as relatively small as Smash DLC development isn't just going to keep going.

Again, it's just about when Japan finally buckles up and takes this thing seriously, it's not a thing that's just going to blow over without action being taken, and unfortunately they've been very passive in their approach so far, so what they're dealing with now is just the start. If they decide to go the same way as Europe when they finally do take action, something like a video game development studio will be among the first to close their doors for the time being (next after schools, which are already closed there), because it's not a necessary part of society. Whether they'll follow what Europe is doing remains to be seen of course, it is a very different culture after all, but it's inevitable for such a big country that their hands will be forced eventually. Again, it has nothing to do with Sakurai's column, as far as this issue is concerned he's none the wiser than any regular Japanese citizen.

 

[Lagguino]

Do you guys think Geno is more likely earlier or later in this pass?

Honestly i think geno would be 7-10. I don't think he's 6 because i just don't feel him appealing to a worldwide scale and 7-10 makes more sense imo. But hey i could be wrong and he's 6 or 11.

 

[Springwood Slasher]

Show of hands - who else has watched Contagion on Netflix in the wake of all of this mess? *raises hand*

but in all seriousness, I also agree that Geno is more likely to be in the beginning of the fighters pass. If we do indeed believe in Cacomallow, then that puts doom guy and Geno at 6 and 7. But I digress - that’s been discussed to death.

 

[pinshadow]

Show of hands - who else has watched Contagion on Netflix in the wake of all of this mess? *raises hand*

but in all seriousness, I also agree that Geno is more likely to be in the beginning of the fighters pass. If we do indeed believe in Cacomallow, then that puts doom guy and Geno at 6 and 7. But I digress - that’s been discussed to death.

I mean, we've been over this before, but Doomguy doesn't have to be in for Cacomallow to be real. Hell, after the Ubisoft costumes and the Warframe spirits I'll be shocked if DOOM doesn't get something in Smash regardless of whether the leak is real.

 

[Polarthief]

I mean, we've been over this before, but Doomguy doesn't have to be in for Cacomallow to be real.

I mean, neither does Geno, but that would be SUPER weird to get a Mallow Mii costume and not have Geno be playable, while Caco I could see coming w/o Doomguy.