Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[MattX20]

Recall that we had the Animal Crossing Direct revealed in the afternoon. We have until the end of the day to find out

 

[Firox]

Firox My theory is that Elecman, Rathalos, and Monster Hunter are coming with our hypothetical Capcom rep in Season 2 because, like I said yesterday, the costume spread seems to suggest that most of the passes will outright celebrate their respective company instead of one particular franchise.

This makes a lot of sense. I figured that Elecman would make for a better costume than a fighter. That said, do we have any actual evidence (more than just rumors) pointing towards who the Capcom rep will be?

I really really really hope after this DLC happens that he isnt pressured into doing more.

tbh after seeing this news, the dlc doesnt seem worth it to me anymore, not at the cost of his health

The thing that worries me the most is that he'll continue working of his own volition. Nintendo will likely continue to milk the franchise until the end of time, but since Sakurai considers Smash his baby, he simply refuses to hand the reigns over to anyone else. Blame it on culture or his own pride, but Sakurai really does seem to be a workaholic. He pushes himself when someone really needs to tell him "that's enough. You're good." Then again, some people just refuse to quit.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

FFS nintendo
Nothing AGAIN?!
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chill the **** out, please.m, damn

 

[AdamBel731]

chill the **** out, please.m, damn

Could you please stop telling people to chill out all the time and actually discuss Geno for once in the Geno Support Thread? You're the police for people's feelings, so stop acting like it. I really don't think OffBi is melting down, just being a little comedic. And at least he can actually discuss Geno in here.

People keep saying this over and over, but I'm wondering when the character change will actually occur. It is like wynn all over again (not the same pessimism, but just a person incessantly doing the same thing over and over).

 

[Heoj]

chill the **** out, please.m, damn

It confuses me whenever ppl post things like "dude, calm down, it happens when it happens", cuz I highly doubt people like Offbi are legitimately angry and upset so i dont think its necessary to tell people to calm down.

Edit: Personally i see it more as Offbi joking and memeing around.

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

The thing that worries me the most is that he'll continue working of his own volition. Nintendo will likely continue to milk the franchise until the end of time, but since Sakurai considers Smash his baby, he simply refuses to hand the reigns over to anyone else. Blame it on culture or his own pride, but Sakurai really does seem to be a workaholic. He pushes himself when someone really needs to tell him "that's enough. You're good." Then again, some people just refuse to quit.

This is right about where Im at.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

It confuses me whenever ppl post things like "dude, calm down, it happens when it happens", cuz I highly doubt people like Offbi are legitimately angry and upset so i dont think its necessary to tell people to calm down.

Edit: Personally i see it more as Offbi joking and memeing around.

Well if they were memeing around then I apologize

 

[MattX20]

If not today, next week is our best bet. I don't think Nintendo can realistically afford to wait until E3 for any new game reveals or dates for previously announced titles

 

[SSGuy]

So you're basically saying it's alright to make fun of people that have pipedream wants? I don't think that is a smart way of thinking honestly and I think that it is rude and disrespectful to laugh at those with a near to impossible dream.

Without us, that is literally what Geno would be a pipedream. If he get's in, it won't be because he deserves it or he was solely chosen too by Nintendo or Sakurai, it will be because of us the fans that push his inclusion until they and Square-Enix couldn't ignore it no longer.

Goemon is my most wanted character and I consider him a pipedream. Will he ever get in? I doubt it, but I won't stop pushing for him. He got a Mii costume so that gives me a tiny bit of hope for the future.

This is the best take I have seen In this thread. I feel the same exact way as every character request to me is valid so long as those fans are respectful to their 'competition'

(I know which ones I am referring to)

 

[Fatmanonice]

So Sakurai passed out at the gym a couple of weeks ago

https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1235119651614408704?s=19

Saw this earlier and I just have to say... Guys... Season 2 is probably it. I know I sound like a broken record at this point but Sakurai is literally physically exhausted from working on Smash for almost a decade straight. This is also why I'm pretty convinced that the December 2021 deadline was a basic placeholder more than anything else and Sakurai, for an increasing myriad of obvious reasons, is probably looking to put a bow on this game by next Spring. One character before E3, two at E3 to uphold tradition, one in the fall, at least one in the winter and probably the absolute final one by next March at the latest. Hard pill to swallow but we're getting to a point where he literally needs to wrap up this game for his own good.

 

[MattX20]

Saw this earlier and I just have to say... Guys... Season 2 is probably it. I know I sound like a broken record at this point but Sakurai is literally physically exhausted from working on Smash for almost a decade straight. This is also why I'm pretty convinced that the December 2021 deadline was a basic placeholder more than anything else and Sakurai, for an increasing myriad of obvious reasons, is probably looking to put a bow on this game by next Spring. One character before E3, two at E3 to uphold tradition, one in the fall, at least one in the winter and probably the absolute final one by next March at the latest. Hard pill to swallow but we're getting to a point where he literally needs to wrap up this game for his own good.

I want Sakurai to get as much rest as possible after this whole thing is over. He deserves it at least 100 times over.

 

[Vector Victor]

Question though: Sakurai takes a break, but does he get paid? He loves Smash, but it's still a paying job, so if he's not doing it, is he still getting a paycheck?

 

[Firox]

Question though: Sakurai takes a break, but does he get paid? He loves Smash, but it's still a paying job, so if he's not doing it, is he still getting a paycheck?

I think the issue here is over HOW he works, rather than whether he does or not. For example, how many hours per day does he work? Per week? How many days off does he get a week? If he works 12+ hours a day, 6 days a week, that's gonna rip him up pretty bad. If he only works 8 hours a day, 5 days a week and STILL gets as jacked up as he is, then it may just be that his general health is poor. We frankly don't know his circumstances, but from news articles we've seen, he seems pretty obsessive about his work. Like 24/7, sleep deprived obsessive. Like eat, breath and dream about coding obsessive. Heck, some forms of workaholisism require a therapist to correct. It could likely require a third party to FORCE him to stop. I'm just curious what his homelife is like. I did some research and found out that he's married to a video game graphics designer (Michiko) and that she helps him run Sora, ltd. Apparently, she helps a lot with the coding and graphic interfaces for Kirby, Smash Bros, etc. so I'm curious what her take is on all this. Is she just as driven as Masahiro is? Is she the one pushing him? Is she begging him to stop? Is Nintendo pushing him to makes profits? Are they willing to ease up on him for his own good? Lots of interesting questions to be answered.

 

[Deleted member]

Question though: Sakurai takes a break, but does he get paid? He loves Smash, but it's still a paying job, so if he's not doing it, is he still getting a paycheck?

In the United States, most jobs that pay above minimum wage offer paid time off accrued at a rate that approximately equates to 1 day a month, and many also offer paid sick leave that accrues at a slightly faster rate. I've read some articles that suggest Japan has a similar system, but given their general work ethic they likely take even less of it than we do (the guilt associated with taken time earned off is an evergreen opinion piece, look it up some time).

 

[Icewolff92]

Question though: Sakurai takes a break, but does he get paid? He loves Smash, but it's still a paying job, so if he's not doing it, is he still getting a paycheck?

If I¨m not mistaken, it¨s royalties and/or potential written of as to sick to work is the only way he could get paid if he took a massive break

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Question though: Sakurai takes a break, but does he get paid? He loves Smash, but it's still a paying job, so if he's not doing it, is he still getting a paycheck?

I think it’s pretty safe to say Sakurai doesn’t have to worry about money

 

[Firox]

I think it’s pretty safe to say Sakurai doesn’t have to worry about money

The guy owns his own company that generated the single most lucrative fighting game in the world. I'm pretty sure his bank account is doing just fine. Hell, I bet the royalties for Ultimate alone have him set for life.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Just reminding you all that he fainted because he was trying a low carb diet and didn’t hydrate enough when he tried working out at the gym. It had nothing to do with Smash.

that being said, he should try to take care of himself better, whether or not he’s actively working on Smash

 

[MattX20]

Just reminding you all that he fainted because he was trying a low carb diet and didn’t hydrate enough when he tried working out at the gym. It had nothing to do with Smash.

that being said, he should try to take care of himself better, whether or not he’s actively working on Smash

Exactly. Low hydration isn't a good thing, and you do need a decent amount of carbs to get you through the day.

 

[Firox]

Just reminding you all that he fainted because he was trying a low carb diet and didn’t hydrate enough when he tried working out at the gym. It had nothing to do with Smash.

that being said, he should try to take care of himself better, whether or not he’s actively working on Smash

Man, what is that guy thinking going on any kind of diet when he's already skin and bones? Dude looks like he couldn't weigh an ounce over a buck twenty.

"Evacuate the city, engage all defenses.....and get this man a shield cheeseburger!"

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Just reminding you all that he fainted because he was trying a low carb diet and didn’t hydrate enough when he tried working out at the gym. It had nothing to do with Smash.

that being said, he should try to take care of himself better, whether or not he’s actively working on Smash

People won’t want to look at that because it’s more fun to overreact and suggest he quit his job that he enjoys.

And hey, I’m mostly expecting this to be Sakurai’s last Smash game as well, and when he does quit he has more than earned that right, but literally being scared for his life because of a pretty common health problem is just a tad bit of an overreaction

 

[MattX20]

The waiting game fatigue has been strenuous.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah I don’t think the it had anything to do with Smash, probably the new diet but he needs a break...

I do think he gets it, and I just hope he takes a long break from everything when this is done.

All the best Masahiro Sakurai you always have our support!

 

[T2by4]

>no direct

W-whats gonna happen on MAR10 day then?

 

[Megadoomer]

>no direct

W-whats gonna happen on MAR10 day then?

Let's ask the magic conch shell:

Given that Nintendo's mostly gone silent for roughly half a year (we got two Smash character releases, an Animal Crossing Direct, Pokemon DLC, and some Tweets - that's pretty much all of the updates that we've gotten since September), I'm expecting a Tweet referencing that it's Mar10 day, and that's it.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

>no direct

W-whats gonna happen on MAR10 day then?

Didn’t the Animal crossing direct last month get announced in the evening? Give it a few hours

 

[Fatmanonice]

>no direct

W-whats gonna happen on MAR10 day then?

Well, I thought about it but if the Fighter's Pass card is due out on the 23rd in Japan, that suggests that it will be a similar situation to Byleth and a Direct would likely be next week at some point. Byleth was announced on the 16th (a Thursday) and released on the 28th (a Monday for the US). This could potentially suggest that a Direct would be had on the 12th (next Thursday) to line up with this timeframe.

 

[MattX20]

Well, I thought about it but if the Fighter's Pass card is due out on the 23rd in Japan, that suggests that it will be a similar situation to Byleth and a Direct would likely be next week at some point. Byleth was announced on the 16th (a Thursday) and released on the 28th (a Monday for the US). This could potentially suggest that a Direct would be had on the 12th (next Thursday) to line up with this timeframe.

That would at least make some sense if we don't see a Direct announcement within in the next 3 and a half hours.

 

[Deleted member]

That would at least make some sense if we don't see a Direct announcement within in the next 3 and a half hours.

didn't the timeframe for a direct announcement pass like 3 and a half hours ago

 

[MattX20]

didn't the timeframe for a direct announcement pass like 3 and a half hours ago

No, because the Animal Crossing direct was announced at 4 p.m. est

 

[Deleted member]

No, because the Animal Crossing direct was announced at 4 p.m. est

aren't the patterns for general direct announcements fairly consistent while game specific direct announcements bounce off the ****ing walls

 

[MattX20]

aren't the patterns for general direct announcements fairly consistent while game specific direct announcements bounce off the ****ing walls

It's a new decade, and we've had patterns broken before, so for all we know, general directs will be announced at a different time going forward

 

[ForsakenM]

This is where we disagree. Ashley has been in way more games than Geno, has also been heavily present in Smash speculation, and even to someone who has zero knowledge of Warioware and Mario RPG, Ashley has a bigger presence in Smash itself as an AT for several games. I massively prefer Geno, but Ashley is likely more well-known, although both are niche.

There's a couple things here and there, like the Twitter poll, insiders hearing him and DMC games on Switch after Capcom said they'd need DMC on Nintendo first.

I'm sorry, but as of late, I completely disagree.

We have so many big YouTubers talking about Geno 'being a lock' and many more talking about his likelihood and moveset, big Twitter channels talking about him (including ones for big corporations like Walmart), ranking high in polls and the haters are stronger than ever. Not that Akinator is the end-all be-all, but I did a round of guesses for both Geno and Ashley: Geno had almost 11,000 while Ashley almost had 4,000 in terms of people who had picked her as the character to guess. Also, Geno is a Spirit and an Icon and people are more fired up about him being playable than than her, and in terms of ATs Waluigi and Isaac rank at the top and she also has to contend with Skull Kid. She is an unimportant side character from a silly game series and Geno is a main character and while he may only be in that one game that one game is still really popular despite being over 20 years old and his impact has been felt to this day.

If you had said this during Smash 4's run, I may have agreed with you, but not for Ultimate at all. Geno is currently one of the most talked about character choices.

Speaking of which, hey fellow Geno Bros, let that sink in a bit: Geno is currently one of the most discussed characters for Ultimate.

What a timeline we live in.

EDIT: Forgot about the Dante stuff. None of that means anything concrete. Insiders have been ungodly wrong recently, Twitter voting for him means nothing other than a desire, and DMC games coming to Switch doesn't character him being in, regardless of what staff members say. If that were the case, Tracer would be in already.

 

[MattX20]

Man, I will be glad to talk about something else once this forsaken drought ends.

 

[DaxMasterix]

>no direct

W-whats gonna happen on MAR10 day then?

You can get mario games on eShop with like 30% discount on MAR10 DAY. At least that happened last year..

 

[ForsakenM]

Man, I will be glad to talk about something else once this forsaken drought ends.

What are you talking about, I literally just posted something!

 

[axel_]

I know you love Travis but other than Suda wanting him in an being a friend of Sakurai, he has nothing going for him. I believe there is even proof that he hasn't been considered much like Doom Guy but you would have to check with someone wiser than me on that one.

How about Nintendo caring for the series and Suda51 as much as they do, to the point of funding TSA themselves and doing the marketing for NMH 3. Any way you shake it there's a lot more to Travis' relationship with Nintendo than you might think.

Reimu has nothing other than that weird music leak thing and that isn't necessarily linked to Smash.

While that leak does have some ridiculous stuff regarding Smash (Yukari as a second Arsene? Sanae and Kanako as alts/echoes for both? WTF?) I have my own theories on why why the Doujin circle leak has a stronger tie to the potential for Reimu in Smash. But it would take me too long to type for my schedule today and it really isn't appropriate for the Geno thread. I think later today I'll post my theory in the Reimu thread.

But other than that leak, I think Reimu is likely because of what we've been getting with the indie series in Smash: Shovel Knight, Shantae, Undertale, Cuphead, and Warframe are all very recent indies that have made some sort of big impact. I don't think this seals the fate for Reimu because again, those are all recent. The last pass and, by extent, several of Smash Ultimate's previous pick had a strong focus on history.

- Belmonts in their classic design as opposed to the redesigns or timeskip appearances
- Terry Bogard coming with pieces of everything SNK has made
- Eleven & Co. all having ties to significant points in Dragon Quest's history
- ****ing Banjo

So an indie being a Fighter would have to lie on one with much more significant history than the previous characters, and the only two that fit that bill are Reimu and Quote. Not only is Reimu much easier to potentially negotiate due to ZUN being so open on the project being used by others, but **** Nicalis.

Dante really has nothing other than 'Capcom is likely to get another rep' which isn't foolproof in the slightest.

Capcom getting a new rep in this pass has been in the talks among insiders, which makes a lot of sense given how successful and active they've been lately, and if it's gonna be anyone Dante is really the only pick.

- Phoenix Wright's only true outing in battle was Mahvel 3, and his moves from there have carried over into every other crossover since and we know Sakurai doesn't like using previous crossover material to make a whole moveset.
- Monster Hunter devs have talked about how Rathalos is essentially the face of the series. It's likely that's all the MH content we'll get in Smash considering the monsters are the most important part of the series.
- RIP Jill

As for Dante on his own

- Itsuno pretty much said during the time for Pass 2 to start development, "If fans want Dante in Smash, they should ask for DMC on Switch first." No less than a few months later, DMC1 coming to the Switch was announced and we've been getting every DMC on the platform since.
- Compared to everyone else from Capcom, Dante has much more crossover prowess, even before Smash. SMT, Viewtiful Joe, Mahvel, PlayStation All-Stars (ignoring the fact that it's Donte), Breath of Fire, and more, have always had Dante as a main face for their crossover lineup. Smash would not only continue that trend, but would also mark Dante's first time ever officially facing off against Bayonetta, which would be a much bigger moment than you might think.

Heihachi is in a much weaker position than Lloyd. You can argue about anime swordfighters all day, but that doesn't remove his stature in the Smash community as well as his birth on Nintendo's console and the fun stuff he can easily bring.

I'll give you that partly, because I should've put Hayabusa there in place of Lloyd. Heihachi is a general placeholder for Bandai Namco in general, so it could be either him or Lloyd (hell, maybe even KOS-MOS) but I do have my reasons for Mr. Mishima.

First and foremost, Smash is a crossover game and Heihachi has always been Bandai Namco's king of crossovers. Soul Calibur, 3 different tennis games, Pac-Man Fever, PlayStation All-Stars, Tales of Phantasia and Tales of Abyss, Project X Zone, Bamco's weird old baseball games, Street Fighter X Tekken, KOF All Stars, all feature Heihachi as the main Tekken representative for these crossovers.
Second, it seems like after Symphonia ended, Bandai Namco may want to give Lloyd a bit of a retirement. He hasn't had a major role in any Tales game since Asteria. Heihachi, meanwhile, has still been going strong and is still likely to have an important role in Tekken even with his supposed death in Tekken 7.

Man, I feel like this post is gonna come back to haunt me.

 

[MattX20]

What are you talking about, I literally just posted something!

Oh you

 

[ForsakenM]

Lots of interesting points

So I want to address this but I'm leaving to run errands and I can't.

The best I can do right now is that indies seem to be getting the best recognition that can be done which is a really good costume and a music track. this is because the indie fanbase loves lots of characters who all come from different and unique games and there is no single character they support under a united banner. Considering this and the fact that the whole Vol 2 cannot be indie characters and will not be such, it's best to have indies represented outside of characters. Thus, Reimu would at best be a costume with a music track. Shovel Knight is the exception as not only was he base game but he was at one time kind of the united indie banner character, and the best he got was Assist Trophy. The idea of an indie character being made playable is basically dead.

 

[MattX20]

...182 days. https://twitter.com/DaysSinceDirect/status/1235233742995828737 Good lord, Nintendo.