Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Franco Geno]

>purpmcdrup was planned the whole time

But why go through the whole effort of making him an assist trophy then? That's what I don't get.

Just to break another one of those fan rules.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait, who the hell is Herman the German?

You know, Wah?

 

[AdamBel731]

My theory is that Herman the German was always planned for DLC, just like Mewtwo was.

Ultimate: Wilt Chamberlain, Geno, and Lloyd

I love your codenames for him lol

Wait, who the hell is Herman the German?

...come with me, I'll tell you somewhere safe.















((("Waluigi.")))

(Fatman likes using random codenames because Waluigi can be a... controversial subject.)

 

[Lord Woomy]

>purpmcdrup was planned the whole time

But why go through the whole effort of making him an assist trophy then? That's what I don't get.

I feel like, if all this is correct, Purple Kaiser Wilhelm was decided some time before Ultimate was released, but after E3. Nintendo saw the waves he made when he wasn't a fighter, so think of what would happen if he was. As Sakurai was planning the Fighter Pass, they asked him to add an extra bonus character for the free publicity. Yet, since this was after he was shown to be an AT, they couldn't remove him from the game.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Just to break another one of those fan rules.View attachment 256784

Heh.

But really, Sakurai might not have ideas for a character yet.

This is the biggest DLC game yet, and an all new ballgame.

I'm not going to get anyone's hopes up for an AT to get promoted, but there's no past patterns that really tell us it can't happen. I'm in the "hype responsibility" boat too, but keeping an open mind is also good, you know?

 

[AdamBel731]

I feel like, if all this is correct, Purple Kaiser Wilhelm was decided some time before Ultimate was released, but after E3. Nintendo saw the waves he made when he wasn't a fighter, so think of what would happen if he was. As Sakurai was planning the Fighter Pass, they asked him to add an extra bonus character for the free publicity. Yet, since this was after he was shown to be an AT, they couldn't remove him from the game.

"Purple Kaiser Wilhelm" LMAO, that made me chuckle. You made a jaded stuck-up young zoomer laugh, good on ya.

More to your point though, I think Nintendo saw how much people wanted Waluigi at E3 and then decided to have him be the final character (originally) for Ultimate DLC. Whether his demand at E3 was more meme or not doesn't matter (as I've said before, Nintendo doesn't look at that stuff), Waluigi had such a massive demand that offical news articles like the Washington Post talked about it. If Nintendo were gonna add any other 1st party character, they are gonna add the one with the biggest outcry, and whether it was more meme or not, Nintendo saw it was Waluigi. I've said all that before, but am I right you think Fatmanonice ? Makes the most sense to me.

 

[Franco Geno]

I'm not going to get anyone's hopes up for an AT to get promoted, but there's no past patterns that really tell us it can't happen. I'm in the "hype responsibility" boat too, but keeping an open mind is also good, you know?

While i agree with you on both the hype responsibly and having an open mind, i must say that i'm loving Ultimate so far because it feels like there's no limits and we don't know what could be coming next

 

[MisterMike]

I'm not saying that fan demand has no merit, of course those characters got in because people wanted, but great chance that Sakurai likes those characters as well.

Oh, so all of the fan-requested characters that got in just so happened to be ones Sakurai also had a fondness to?
How much farther are you going to push those goalposts until you just admit your argument is bad, Wynn?

If a creator hears fan demand and they end up liking the idea then most likely they're going to follow up on it. I'm sure Sakurai likes characters like Banjo, K Rool, and Ridley, they take eight months to make, I'd doubt you put that much effort into something you hate or had no interest in.

I, uhh... Wynn, you don't actually believe this, do you?

It's also how Fatman could make a 15 page essay about Geno, he really likes Geno which is enough motivation for anyone to do something like that. I'd doubt he could even make a 4 page essay for a character that he doesn't like. There's a lot of love that goes into the playable characters because the people who made the characters likes them a lot. I'd doubt we have the same kind of polish if Sakurai and his team are just making a bunch of characters that they don't like. You can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink.

First off, that's not the only reason why Fatman's essay was so long, he had a lot of subjects to cover, ranging from rumors to leaks to all sorts of other happenings and history.
Second, Fatmanonice that's your cue! Make a 4-page essay about a character you hate! GO GO GO GO!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

While i agree with you on both the hype responsibly and having an open mind, i must say that i'm loving Ultimate so far because it feels like there's no limits and we don't know what could be coming next

Same. A lot of who I hoped for got hit with DLC spirits too. Poor Jill Valentine...

But that's okay. Things aren't over for quite a while yet!

Damn, Geno being the first post-pass would be lovely(Waluigi being among the others would be great too).

 

[Franco Geno]

Same. A lot of who I hoped for got hit with DLC spirits too. Poor Jill Valentine...

But that's okay. Things aren't over for quite a while yet!

Damn, Geno being the first post-pass would be lovely(Waluigi being among the others would be great too).

Yeah that was sad, i think a RE rep like Jill or Leon would have been amazing...

Exactly, let's enjoy the ride while it lasts! now that you mentioned them together, how about a double reveal? that would be pretty sweet to me

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

so would you prefer Geno to be fighter #5 to finish off the Fighters Pass, anywhere in the second Fighters Pass, or a bonus fighter of his own like

 

[Fatmanonice]

Tons of people messaged me while I was grocery shopping with my wife so I will say, yes, I do think we're getting Ryu/Cloud/Bayo after Mewtwo/Lucas/Roy so I'll explain.

In Smash 4, Ryu was the beginning of totally new content. Ryu brought an all new franchise, Street Fighter, and technically a new company, Capcom USA. I've noticed that new third party characters tend to "split hairs" in this way. Castlevania is purely owned by Konami while Metal Gear Solid is technically owned by Konami and Kojima Productions (at least the past games represented in Smash). Sonic, Bayo, and Joker are all SEGA characters but can be split between Sonic Team, Platinum, and Atlus respectively. Cloud is Square Enix while Dragon Quest is Square, Armor Project, and Bird Studio. Outside of echoes, third parties have yet to truly "repeat."

Now, going back, my theory is that 6, 7, and 8 will be Wavarotti, Geno, and Lloyd, following patterns seen in Smash 4 with Mewtwo, Lucas, and Roy. My theory is that the next three characters will be "new" in the sense that their companies haven't had true newcomers to Smash yet. My current prediction is that 9, 10, and 11 will be Crash (Blizzard/Activision), Ryu (Tecmo/Team Ninja), and Dante (Capcom, doesn't have a true newcomer in Ultimate yet). If my theory is correct, I don't believe Smash Ultimate will have a "Corrin." My theory is that 6 was technically always planned as an extra for the Fighter's Pass and that, in a way, 7 will technically be the true start of "Season 2", just as Lucas technically was the true start of extended DLC in Smash 4.

 

[Deleted member]

While i agree with you on both the hype responsibly and having an open mind, i must say that i'm loving Ultimate so far because it feels like there's no limits and we don't know what could be coming next

Yeah. The best thing about Ultimate is every character is super fun to play as. All of the newcomers are so well crafted and thought out that I honestly do not care who they are. I just want these characters to be fun and feel like they belong.

 

[Lyncario]

Tons of people messaged me while I was grocery shopping with my wife so I will say, yes, I do think we're getting Ryu/Cloud/Bayo after Mewtwo/Lucas/Roy so I'll explain.

In Smash 4, Ryu was the beginning of totally new content. Ryu brought an all new franchise, Street Fighter, and technically a new company, Capcom USA. I've noticed that new third party characters tend to "split hairs" in this way. Castlevania is purely owned by Konami while Metal Gear Solid is technically owned by Konami and Kojima Productions (at least the past games represented in Smash). Sonic, Bayo, and Joker are all SEGA characters but can be split between Sonic Team, Platinum, and Atlus respectively. Cloud is Square Enix while Dragon Quest is Square, Armor Project, and Bird Studio. Outside of echoes, third parties have yet to truly "repeat."

Now, going back, my theory is that 6, 7, and 8 will be Wavarotti, Geno, and Lloyd, following patterns seen in Smash 4 with Mewtwo, Lucas, and Roy. My theory is that the next three characters will be "new" in the sense that their companies haven't had true newcomers to Smash yet. My current prediction is that 9, 10, and 11 will be Crash (Blizzard/Activision), Ryu (Tecmo/Team Ninja), and Dante (Capcom, doesn't have a true newcomer in Ultimate yet). If my theory is correct, I don't believe Smash Ultimate will have a "Corrin." My theory is that 6 was technically always planned as an extra for the Fighter's Pass and that, in a way, 7 will technically be the true start of "Season 2", just as Lucas technically was the true start of extended DLC in Smash 4.

Just to say, the reason as to why Corrin joined is because someone on Sakurai's team convinced him that Corrin could be an unique and fun character in Smash, and seeing how the current dlc is structured, it does feel like another Corrin won't happen.

 

[wynn728]

I, uhh... Wynn, you don't actually believe this, do you?

What, do you think a creator will follow up on fan demand if they hated what the fans are asking for? If an author likes to write serious horror stories and fans are asking for a comedy relief character to be put in the story do you think the author will do it? Most likely not, and even if they did follow up on it it probably won't be good because the author is writing something they don't like. Take it from.a person who has done a lot of work on many different thing, your sense of enjoyment has a major impact on motivation.

 

[T2by4]

Tons of people messaged me while I was grocery shopping with my wife so I will say, yes, I do think we're getting Ryu/Cloud/Bayo after Mewtwo/Lucas/Roy so I'll explain.

In Smash 4, Ryu was the beginning of totally new content. Ryu brought an all new franchise, Street Fighter, and technically a new company, Capcom USA. I've noticed that new third party characters tend to "split hairs" in this way. Castlevania is purely owned by Konami while Metal Gear Solid is technically owned by Konami and Kojima Productions (at least the past games represented in Smash). Sonic, Bayo, and Joker are all SEGA characters but can be split between Sonic Team, Platinum, and Atlus respectively. Cloud is Square Enix while Dragon Quest is Square, Armor Project, and Bird Studio. Outside of echoes, third parties have yet to truly "repeat."

Now, going back, my theory is that 6, 7, and 8 will be Wavarotti, Geno, and Lloyd, following patterns seen in Smash 4 with Mewtwo, Lucas, and Roy. My theory is that the next three characters will be "new" in the sense that their companies haven't had true newcomers to Smash yet. My current prediction is that 9, 10, and 11 will be Crash (Blizzard/Activision), Ryu (Tecmo/Team Ninja), and Dante (Capcom, doesn't have a true newcomer in Ultimate yet). If my theory is correct, I don't believe Smash Ultimate will have a "Corrin." My theory is that 6 was technically always planned as an extra for the Fighter's Pass and that, in a way, 7 will technically be the true start of "Season 2", just as Lucas technically was the true start of extended DLC in Smash 4.

What surprises me is that you don't even mention Rex/Pyra. I feel like that's an obvious one that's gonna happen since sakurai himself said he ran out of time and apologized to the fanbase, I doubt that he forgot about them. What if this upcoming dlc post pass is dedicated to big smash requests, and then after like 3-4 characters it goes back to 3rd party. Seems weird to have Geno and waluigi be considered the big names we keep hearing and mix in 3rd parties like hayabusa and crash. I feel like Rex/Pyra are definitely contenders and that rhis upcoming "pass" or whatever you call it is gonna be dedicated to requests he heard the most during development.

 

[wynn728]

Oh, so all of the fan-requested characters that got in just so happened to be ones Sakurai also had a fondness to?
How much farther are you going to push those goalposts until you just admit your argument is bad, Wynn?

Do you think that Sakurai has made any character playable that he didn't like or enjoyed? Do you think they wouldn't have included the Banjo theme during Kazooie's rapid attack if the team didn't like the characters? Do you think we would've gotten so many references for Simon & K Rool if Sakurai just straight up hated them? Sakurai likes many things, but there's also things that he doesn't like, he's human. If you believe that some of these requested are ones that he doesn't like then Sakurai must be one hell of a developer for giving so much love and care for characters he doesn't like.

 

[Fatmanonice]

>purpmcdrup was planned the whole time

But why go through the whole effort of making him an assist trophy then? That's what I don't get.

Sakurai technically explained this himself. Smash Ultimate began development in late 2015 but Nintendo didn't pitch DLC at him until early 2018. This means that the gap between the Salami Swami being an AT and Nintendo even approaching Sakurai about DLC was more than two years.

 

[Deleted member]

Do you think that Sakurai has made any character playable that he didn't like or enjoyed? Do you think they wouldn't have included the Banjo theme during Kazooie's rapid attack if the team didn't like the characters? Do you think we would've gotten so many references for Simon & K Rool if Sakurai just straight up hated them? Sakurai likes many things, but there's also things that he doesn't like, he's human. If you believe that some of these requested are ones that he doesn't like then Sakurai must be one hell of a developer for giving so much love and care for characters he doesn't like.

Wasn’t the Kazooie rapid jab reference debunked? I heard the speed was changed to make it sound like it was.

Edit: Here we go. It was this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-6VTVu0Wuw

 

[Rie Sonomura]

>Salami Swami

I’m gonna guess that’s code for Spring Man? I recall Sakurai apologizing for him not being playable just like with Rex when his Mii Costume was shown

 

[Fatmanonice]

>Salami Swami

I’m gonna guess that’s code for Spring Man? I recall Sakurai apologizing for him not being playable just like with Rex when his Mii Costume was shown

Nah man, not Spring Man, that other popular AT. You know, Salvador Dali?

 

[Deleted member]

>Salami Swami

I’m gonna guess that’s code for Spring Man? I recall Sakurai apologizing for him not being playable just like with Rex when his Mii Costume was shown

Not quite. Look up the character and then you’ll see.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Nah man, not Spring Man, that other popular AT. You know, Salvador Dali?

... Isaac?

 

[Deleted member]

... Isaac?

No, Akinator just minus the beard

 

[Akg0001]

Tons of people messaged me while I was grocery shopping with my wife so I will say, yes, I do think we're getting Ryu/Cloud/Bayo after Mewtwo/Lucas/Roy so I'll explain.

In Smash 4, Ryu was the beginning of totally new content. Ryu brought an all new franchise, Street Fighter, and technically a new company, Capcom USA. I've noticed that new third party characters tend to "split hairs" in this way. Castlevania is purely owned by Konami while Metal Gear Solid is technically owned by Konami and Kojima Productions (at least the past games represented in Smash). Sonic, Bayo, and Joker are all SEGA characters but can be split between Sonic Team, Platinum, and Atlus respectively. Cloud is Square Enix while Dragon Quest is Square, Armor Project, and Bird Studio. Outside of echoes, third parties have yet to truly "repeat."

Now, going back, my theory is that 6, 7, and 8 will be Wavarotti, Geno, and Lloyd, following patterns seen in Smash 4 with Mewtwo, Lucas, and Roy. My theory is that the next three characters will be "new" in the sense that their companies haven't had true newcomers to Smash yet. My current prediction is that 9, 10, and 11 will be Crash (Blizzard/Activision), Ryu (Tecmo/Team Ninja), and Dante (Capcom, doesn't have a true newcomer in Ultimate yet). If my theory is correct, I don't believe Smash Ultimate will have a "Corrin." My theory is that 6 was technically always planned as an extra for the Fighter's Pass and that, in a way, 7 will technically be the true start of "Season 2", just as Lucas technically was the true start of extended DLC in Smash 4.

So out of 12 DLC characters, no females?

 

[T2by4]

So out of 12 DLC characters, no females?

Kazooie

 

[MisterMike]

What, do you think a creator will follow up on fan demand if they hated what the fans are asking for? If an author likes to write serious horror stories and fans are asking for a comedy relief character to be put in the story do you think the author will do it? Most likely not, and even if they did follow up on it it probably won't be good because the author is writing something they don't like. Take it from.a person who has done a lot of work on many different thing, your sense of enjoyment has a major impact on motivation.

Do you think that Sakurai has made any character playable that he didn't like or enjoyed? Do you think they wouldn't have included the Banjo theme during Kazooie's rapid attack if the team didn't like the characters? Do you think we would've gotten so many references for Simon & K Rool if Sakurai just straight up hated them? Sakurai likes many things, but there's also things that he doesn't like, he's human. If you believe that some of these requested are ones that he doesn't like then Sakurai must be one hell of a developer for giving so much love and care for characters he doesn't like.

I think a creator may follow up fan demand regardless of how they feel about it personally, especially in the case of Sakurai and Smash. Do you think Sakurai is a die-hard King K. Rool fan who really cares for the character the same way most of his supporters do? Perhaps he does, or perhaps he doesn't, or perhaps he doesn't have any strong feelings on him one way or the other. Regardless of the answer it doesn't really matter, since personal investment is completely irrelevant to a creator's skill.

If you're capable of writing a good story but you don't particularly care for the subject matter, you can still produce a good story. If you're an actor in a movie that sucks or you hated working on, you can still give a good performance. I'm not saying that personal investment isn't or can't be a factor in the end product, but it isn't the only thing that matters. The fact that you seem to think Sakurai only adds characters because he really cares for them is laughable, even more so considering there are slightly over 80 characters in the game. Does Sakurai care about every single one of them, too?

 

[MattX20]

Nah man, not Spring Man, that other popular AT. You know, Salvador Dali?

I'd like to see Isaac upgraded for his fans sake. A lot of the Isaac fans I've seen/met are really nice people

 

[Franco Geno]

Nah man, not Spring Man, that other popular AT. You know, Salvador Dali?

Oh okay i got it, Papa Scooperia is coming

 

[Kewl0210]

This was something I was thinking about because I've got too much time on my hands.

The thing that's suspicious about the Cacomallow leak is the person could've leaked a bunch of things that would've immediately proven it real. But they didn't do that. They could've leaked something Terry-related (The character, the stage, one of the Mii costumes), or one of a number of other things like those dev tools we saw on the screen in the Ken leak with the small blurry text and the colored bars on the bottom of the screen. Everything else just being the vanilla game (besides the timer at 2:30.00) make it seem like it could be fake. (They could also have done other stuff like zoom in on the Cacodemon one more, show a REALLY complicated mii costume that also had a new body model, etc)

Seemingly Paragon's source who said "fighter 4 is an Undertale character who ISN'T Sans" knew there was a Sans Mii costume, but not who the character was. So technically that was a real leak, but just someone misinterpreting some information. Their source knew the mii costume, but not the character, and wrongly assumed the character was related to the costume. Fatman also mentioned the guy he was talking to that knew the list of Mii costumes of Goemon and such (which included Mallow/Smithy, which pointed to Geno being playable) knew about the Megalovania song.

So, one idea that might tie those all together is that there's a "low clearance" group of people that are testing smaller stuff like Mii costumes, but don't have access to unannounced stages or characters. Maybe balance patches and stuff like that. Basically, they're only given stuff that "is simple enough that it could be faked" so even if they leaked them, it wouldn't give away the big reveals. It could be done as a security measure similar to how they don't just put new characters' names in the files but instead give them nicknames like "Brave" and "Buddy" and "Dolly". But possibly those people have leaked some things anyhow. That would explain how we have a few of these odd "mii costume leaks" that were seemingly accurate. Those are being leaked by "low clearance" people, where the characters and stages are only handled by "high clearance people" working directly with Sakurai that they know for sure won't leak anything (At least not until the last few days before reveal so people could setup the websites and such). Which could also be an explanation for how the Cacomallow leak or the list of costumes with Mallow/Smitthy could be real. (Technically though the person who made the Cacomallow leak still could've leaked one of the Terry Mii costumes to prove it real, so it's really not definitive either way)

 

[Deleted member]

Oh okay i got it, Papa Scooperia is coming

No, no. You’re thinking of Vlad the Impaler.

 

[T2by4]

This was something I was thinking about because I've got too much time on my hands.

The thing that's suspeicious about the Cacomallow leak is the person could've leaked a bunch of things that would've immediately proven it real. But they didn't do that. They could've leaked something Terry-related (The character, the stage, one of the Mii costumes), or one of a number of other things like those dev tools we saw on the screen in the Ken leak with the small blurry text and the colored bars on the bottom of the screen. Everything else just being the vanilla game (besides the timer at 2:30.00) make it seem like it could be fake.

Seemingly Paragon's source who said "fighter 4 is an Undertale character who ISN'T Sans" knew there was a Sans Mii costume, but not who the character was. So technically that was a real leak, but just someone misinterpreting some information. Their source knew the mii costume, but not the character, and assumed the character was related to the costume. Fatman also mentioned the guy he was talking to that knew the list of Mii costumes of Goemon and such (which included Geno) knew about the Megalovania song.

So, one idea that might tie those all together is that there's a "low clearance" group of people that are testing smaller stuff like Mii costumes, but don't have access to unannounced stages or characters. Maybe balance patches and stuff like that. Basically, they're only given stuff that "is simple enough that it could be faked" so even if they leaked them, it wouldn't give away the big reveals. It could be done as a security measure similar to how they don't just put new characters' names in the files but instead give them nicknames like "Brave" and "Buddy" and "Dolly". But possibly those people have leaked some things anyhow. That would explain how we have a few of these odd "mii costume leaks" that were seemingly accurate. Those are being leaked by "low clearance" people, where the characters and stages are only handled by "high clearance people" working directly with Sakurai that they know for sure won't leak anything (At least not until the last few days before reveal so people could setup the websites and such). Which could also be an explanation for how the Cacomallow leak or the list of costumes with Mallow/Smitthy could be real.

That's the first time I heard fatmanonice having a contact that said geno is a costume. When did he say this?

 

[AdamBel731]

Tons of people messaged me while I was grocery shopping with my wife so I will say, yes, I do think we're getting Ryu/Cloud/Bayo after Mewtwo/Lucas/Roy so I'll explain.

In Smash 4, Ryu was the beginning of totally new content. Ryu brought an all new franchise, Street Fighter, and technically a new company, Capcom USA. I've noticed that new third party characters tend to "split hairs" in this way. Castlevania is purely owned by Konami while Metal Gear Solid is technically owned by Konami and Kojima Productions (at least the past games represented in Smash). Sonic, Bayo, and Joker are all SEGA characters but can be split between Sonic Team, Platinum, and Atlus respectively. Cloud is Square Enix while Dragon Quest is Square, Armor Project, and Bird Studio. Outside of echoes, third parties have yet to truly "repeat."

Now, going back, my theory is that 6, 7, and 8 will be Wavarotti, Geno, and Lloyd, following patterns seen in Smash 4 with Mewtwo, Lucas, and Roy. My theory is that the next three characters will be "new" in the sense that their companies haven't had true newcomers to Smash yet. My current prediction is that 9, 10, and 11 will be Crash (Blizzard/Activision), Ryu (Tecmo/Team Ninja), and Dante (Capcom, doesn't have a true newcomer in Ultimate yet). If my theory is correct, I don't believe Smash Ultimate will have a "Corrin." My theory is that 6 was technically always planned as an extra for the Fighter's Pass and that, in a way, 7 will technically be the true start of "Season 2", just as Lucas technically was the true start of extended DLC in Smash 4.

Two things, one... I've always wondered why Capcom USA is a separate company on the trademarks... why is that? Like NOA doesn't specifically own anything, it is just under Nintendo.

And two, are you more confident in "eggplant man" or Lloyd at this point? (I already know Geno is top for you, so I didn't include him.)

 

[Lord Woomy]

That's the first I heard fatmanonice has a contact that said geno is a costume. When did he say this?

I think he might mean the other Mii costume leak that included Goemon but not Geno, it may have just been a mistake.

 

[Franco Geno]

No, no. You’re thinking of Vlad the Impaler.

That's fitting.

 

[wynn728]

I think a creator may follow up fan demand regardless of how they feel about it personally, especially in the case of Sakurai and Smash. Do you think Sakurai is a die-hard King K. Rool fan who really cares for the character the same way most of his supporters do? Perhaps he does, or perhaps he doesn't, or perhaps he doesn't have any strong feelings on him one way or the other. Regardless of the answer it doesn't really matter, since personal investment is completely irrelevant to a creator's skill.

If you're capable of writing a good story but you don't particularly care for the subject matter, you can still produce a good story. If you're an actor in a movie that sucks or you hated working on, you can still give a good performance. I'm not saying that personal investment isn't or can't be a factor in the end product, but it isn't the only thing that matters. The fact that you seem to think Sakurai only adds characters because he really cares for them is laughable, even more so considering there are slightly over 80 characters in the game. Does Sakurai care about every single one of them, too?

... where did I say that Sakurai really cares about each character. I said that he likes each character. You can have various levels of liking a character. Not everyone is a personal favorite, but at the very least he likes the character.

Also personal investment is extremely relevant when it comes to creator's skills. Sometimes you can put it aside to get the work done, but a lot of times people just can't do that. We have so many projects where people who don't have like the material they're working with and ends up with a shoddy product.

 

[Deleted member]

Also, I just realized something about those new Geico Sequel commercials.

 

[Fatmanonice]

So out of 12 DLC characters, no females?

I know this is a sore topic but, hearing insider rumors and speculation for over a year now, no female characters have ever seriously come up. My contacts and friends have never heard anyone except in the context of being considered but likely dropped. Jill is one rumor that has gone public but people have requested the others not be because nobody knows if they were truly dumped. Confidence, however, isn't particularly high.

Two things, one... I've always wondered why Capcom USA is a separate company on the trademarks... why is that? Like NOA doesn't specifically own anything, it is just under Nintendo.

And two, are you more confident in "eggplant man" or Lloyd at this point? (I already know Geno is top for you, so I didn't include him.)

1. No clue. I believe Street Fighter has been handled by Capcom USA since Street Fighter 4.

2. Between the two of them? Lloyd. The amount that Lloyd has going for him is kind of ridiculous, first and foremost the team responsible for the Tales game has been heavily involved in Smash 4 and Ultimate. If I had the motivation, I could probably write an essay almost as long as Geno's about why I think he's incredibly likely but Lloyd's not a huge deal for me.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I would like to remind everyone that most of what Fatman is saying is theorycrafting based on statements from his sources, so it shouldn't be taken as the gospel. I'm in no place to judge weather they're likely guesses or not (though a Bethesda character, Geno, and Waluigi would be a pretty sweet lineup for me), but if you're disappointed after setting your expectations too high because you believed Fatman's theories that's on you for believing Fatman, not him.

 

[Megadoomer]

so would you prefer Geno to be fighter #5 to finish off the Fighters Pass, anywhere in the second Fighters Pass, or a bonus fighter of his own like

I think a lot of people would prefer for him to be the fifth fighters pass character, so he'd be released in about a month.

We don't even know if we're getting a second fighters pass (we're getting more fighters beyond the fighters pass, but that's not the same thing), but I'm expecting him to be the first character revealed after the fighters pass. Obviously, I'd want him to be the fifth fighters pass character, but I'm not sure how likely that is since we got a Square-Enix character in the Fighters Pass already. (admittedly, there's no way of knowing if the Smash dev team can double dip or not, but I have my doubts)