Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The irony is Square-Enix doesn't directly own a lot of their own content. Which makes the theory even funnier in itself.

 

[Tomasagaz14]

I have a honest question, exactly how many times has Sakurai actually used patterns that people found? Everyone keeps talking about Patterns but many times they end broken or are absurd.
Color Theory: ... I don't have to say much, thinking that Sakurai picks characters based on their main color is nonsense.
"Mii Costumes must be related to company": Banjo came with Capcom, Nintendo and Toby Fox costumes, Terry came with Sega costumes

How many patterns that people supposedly found were actually correct?

 

[Opossum]

Good lord some of y’all can write freakin novels. Okay so if I’m caught up correctly.

-every fighter has come with 2 returning Mii costumes except Hero.
-Thematically the most logical returning costumes to come with Hero would be Geno and Chocobo
-They didn’t
-So Geno is in

Why does this take so much yelling

The issue, for me at least, is the conclusion being jumped to. If anything, it would indicate any Square-Enix character, not just Geno. Someone like 2B could, theoretically, come with those costumes as well (and imo she fits the general direction of the Pass better, but your mileage may vary).

 

[Gentlepanda]

frankly amazed that banjo came with a ****ing sans costume and people are still peddling costume pattern theories

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I don't remember addressing that anywhere in my prior argument, but arguments on abstract notions like "iconicness" and "making sense" are similarly weak.

I'm not saying that you can't believe these theories if you want to. At the end of the day it's up to you do decide what you believe.

I'm saying that you shouldn't argue such theories as if they're fact, because they aren't. Just like any argument they are subject to scrutiny, and more times than not they tend to be weak and based more off of assumptions and perceived patterns over facts and statements.

But still a bunch of people shouldn't assume some iconic character like Jill Valentine or Hayabusa is in without any evidence to even prove that. The biggest evidence if any evidence most of the time is in the game itself.

 

[ForsakenM]

Just wanted to chime in and say that this isn't how music licensing works at all.

There are various types of music licenses. Among them, the two most relevant here are synch/promotional licenses (the type for things like commercials) and mechanical/distribution licenses (the type that allows you to sell the music in a tangible form, like a CD or a digital download). Getting the rights to the former and getting the rights to the latter are two entirely separate things.

So when they agreed to have Beware the Forest Mushrooms play in the showcase, that was a promotional license. That does NOT give them the right to sell that song in a costume pack or Challenger Pack. That's an entirely separate agreement. We've even seen similar things like this before. For Hero's trailer, Overture plays in its full symphonic glory, and they include the orchestral version of Adventure, but the game itself only has a snippet of Overture in Hero's victory theme and only includes the MIDIs of the other tracks, Adventure included.

For reference, this is also the reason certain stages can't be played in Nintendo-sponsored tournaments. Some stages have music that they didn't get the streaming or live performance rights for, which is a whole different license too.

So no, there's no preset negotiation for SMRPG music. Or at least, there's not any evidence for it.

Since I have no idea about the specifics on rights negotiations, I mentioned both options.

Either the rights were already there, or the rights would already be negotiated for prior to the DLC being finalized in Nov.

The way they have to be negotiated doesn't affect the fact that they would have been already negotiated for as original DLC talks were being finalized. Thus, either way, it would have been done before more DLC was worked on...or would it?

See, I can see only two ways how this works out.

1. As my theory suggests, Nintendo waited until they worked out the numbers for the sales of both Ultimate and the Fighter's Pass during the launch week and a bit after that and saw that they made mad bank on the Fighter's Pass and thus came to Sakurai and told him they want MOAR and thus decisions had to be made during development of the Fighter's Pass characters and thus negotiating for Geno as an actual character caused him to be pulled from Hero's Mii costume line-up because more would be done with Geno and the return of his costume would be better placed (if at all) with other SMRPG content.
2. Perhaps more DLC after the Fighter's Pass was already planned or in the works like some people think, but Nintendo had an ax ready the entire time ready to cut it off based on the Fighter's Pass sales. Since they were crazy, Nintendo exchanged that ax for more money and thus we are where we are. That could make sense on why we are receiving 2 returning Smash 4 costumes with each line-up and that WOULD fall in line with DQ just not getting two returning costumes to 'focus on DQ' but more than that maybe we have enough DLC coming that splitting the returning Mii costumes in sets of two works out that way and that not having two come with Hero balances it out?

If that second one is true, that leaves me wondering if a certain scenario could have come into play that both makes me happy and relieved.

What if Geno WAS supposed to come with Hero as the final costume and he already had music negotiated to come with him and Geno was going to be the FIRST Mii costume to come to Ultimate with music tracks instead of Sans...but then Sakurai was able to negotiated for Geno to be playable and that opened the door for more content from SMRPG and thus revealing his costume with that track with Hero no longer made sense/had to change due to negotiations with Square?

There are a lot of ways to look at this, but I'm still rather confident in mine theory due to DLC being tossed in Sakurai's lap during base game development so I wouldn't be surprised if they just flat out did it again after the dollar signs lit up their eyes.

 

[Deleted member]

I have a honest question, exactly how many times has Sakurai actually used patterns that people found? Everyone keeps talking about Patterns but many times they end broken or are absurd.
Color Theory: ... I don't have to say much, thinking that Sakurai picks characters based on their main color is nonsense.
"Mii Costumes must be related to company": Banjo came with Capcom, Nintendo and Toby Fox costumes, Terry came with Sega costumes

How many patterns that people supposedly found were actually correct?

Box theory.

I think that's about it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

frankly amazed that banjo came with a ****ing sans costume and people are still peddling costume pattern theories

My guess is it got licensed at a time that worked out, so it was the easiest time to add it. The biggest coincidence to come with Banjo as it's the only costume with music, coming with a character named after a musical instrument. Emphasis on coincidence and meaning nothing.

It's possible some costumes were not licensed at the same time as any individual DLC character. There's a lot of behind the scene stuff that could've happened.

 

[Tomasagaz14]

Box theory.

I think that's about it.

That's not a pattern, a pattern is based on things that happened before for then making conclusions, Box Theory is a look at the boxart and looking there at the slots.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I have a honest question, exactly how many times has Sakurai actually used patterns that people found? Everyone keeps talking about Patterns but many times they end broken or are absurd.
Color Theory: ... I don't have to say much, thinking that Sakurai picks characters based on their main color is nonsense.
"Mii Costumes must be related to company": Banjo came with Capcom, Nintendo and Toby Fox costumes, Terry came with Sega costumes

How many patterns that people supposedly found were actually correct?

Observable patterns are the basis of any theory while on the opposite end of the spectrum is assuming Sakurai is a Christmas Elf of Chaos but I suppose that's part of the allure of the man. There's totally a gulf between "hard to predict" and "totally unpredictable" but, as we've established nuance is too complicated. What's black and white and red all over? Smash Speculation! Wakka wakka wakka!

 

[Tomasagaz14]

Observable patterns are the basis of any theory while on the opposite end of the spectrum is assuming Sakurai is a Christmas Elf of Chaos but I suppose that part of the allure of the man. There's totally a gulf between "hard to predict" and "totally unpredictable" but, as we've established nuance is too complicated. What's black and white and red all over? Smash Speculation! Wakka wakka wakka!

Yeah... you didn't answer my question about how many times fans were actually right with their patterns.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That's not a pattern, a pattern is based on things that happened before for then making conclusions, Box Theory is a look at the boxart and looking there at the slots.

My guess is they misread your intention, as it's more saying that the only theory that was real was Box Theory.

 

[Rohanx17]

The amiibo release theory is still in play and I personally expect it to stay true the whole way through. I'm finding the only theories that tend to go somewhere are based on marketing or promotional materials. I would be surprised if the costumes stopped releasing in pairs without a decent explanation like a future fighter release but for the most part the devs just kinda do their own thing.

 

[Deleted member]

That's not a pattern, a pattern is based on things that happened before for then making conclusions, Box Theory is a look at the boxart and looking there at the slots.

By definition? There was a pattern of characters on the box and fans picked up on it. I think it's a pattern, but maybe I'm alone. You guys really have me second guessing my definition of patterns, anymore.

I guess if you want to call it a pattern, "we're always doomed to get one shillmon" is a pattern that has yet to prove itself wrong in the base roster.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Yeah... you didn't answer my question about how many times fans were actually right with their patterns.

A bunch of peoples' theories being wrong doesn't discount others' theories being wrong.

Honestly guys, I think I'm leaving this thread after Fatmanonice drops his big *** essay because the Geno thread is becoming Speculation/Social thread 2.0 and I can't stand that because that thread is toxic. I'll come back and celebrate with y'all when he get's in, but after the essay I'm leaving the Geno thread. Sorry guys.

Edit: For though of you who visit from the Speculation thread, you shouldn't come to a character thread unless you are somewhat interested in said character. Otherwise, it makes you look like troll if you just come to drop by to just say negative things on the character's chances. There is a reason the Speculation thread exists you know.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Yeah... you didn't answer my question about how many times fans were actually right with their patterns.

Okay, I'll flip the script: why would this time be impossible? First time for everything, right? I mean, Fatmanonice being right about literally anything? Who doesn't enjoy a good ol' Christmas miracle? Both Eric and Ponycorn have called me unreliable over the course of a year so, it begs the question, why care so much? Hakuna Matata. I'm just sitting in this thread doing my usual thing so the ignore button still exists as well as literally thousands of other threads. If you think I'm the Hannibal Lector of Smash, I'm staying in my cell (well, and Discord too) so it ain't no thang either way.

 

[Ze Diglett]

>mfw i open the geno thread on smashboards on this fine day in the year of our lord 2019 and end up reading what might as well be a textbook during my winter break

(yes, i have to use a link because image embeds are broken. sue me.)

 

[ActualGarbage]

>mfw i open the geno thread on smashboards on this fine day in the year of our lord 2019 and end up reading what might as well be a textbook during my winter break

(yes, i have to use a link because image embeds are broken. sue me.)

I, Actual Garbage, hereby sue you for making me click on a link to see an image in the Geno thread on Smashboards. See you in court, loser.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I guess my big takeaway here is there's no need for me to live in people's heads rent free if they don't like my theories or agree with them. If they're wrong, well, they're wrong. If I'm wrong, come **** on my welcome mat. I'll just be derping around in Cape Girardeau, Missouri like I always do, having fun with Smash speculation on muh phone.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Some of ya'll need to relax with these essays. That or just write novels instead.

 

[Tomasagaz14]

Okay, I'll flip the script: why would this time be impossible? First time for everything, right? I mean, Fatmanonice being right about literally anything? Who doesn't enjoy a good ol' Christmas miracle? Both Eric and Ponycorn have called me unreliable over the course of a year so, it begs the question, why care so much? Hakuna Matata. I'm just sitting in this thread doing my usual thing so the ignore button still exists as well as literally thousands of other threads. If you think I'm the Hannibal Lector of Smash, I'm staying in my cell (well, and Discord too) so it ain't no thang either way.

What you're saying is basically the same as if someone said "Hey guys, Goku is getting in, why would this time be impossible? First time for everything, right?"

You just saying "it can be right" and "there's always a first time" is literally not evidence.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I, Actual Garbage, hereby sue you for making me click on a link to see an image in the Geno thread on Smashboards. See you in court, loser.

Porky: Spankty, spankty! Come get me loser!

 

[Fatmanonice]

What you're saying is basically the same as if someone said "Hey guys, Goku is getting in, why would this time be impossible? First time for everything, right?

You just saying "it can be right" and "there's always a first time is literally not evidence"

Then that's the end of it, isn't it? Fun stuff.

 

[Deleted member]

I guess my big takeaway here is there's no need for me to live in people's heads rent free if they don't like my theories or agree with them. If they're wrong, well, they're wrong. If I'm wrong, come **** on my welcome mat. I'll just be derping around in Cape Girardeau, Missouri like I always do, having fun with Smash speculation on muh phone.

honestly, ol' whatshisname from GameFAQs should come over here and give you a pat on the back since you're the one doing all the legwork to defend his theory.

Which this post reminds me that I've been wanting to throw out there for everyone in this thread, regardless of where you stand on Geno or any other character:

No one with a healthy mindset believes anything we theorize as fans on a message board is the gospel. No one thinks that they're going to be the one who cracks the Smash code and starts predicting every character and every release date, and I seriously doubt that even if one of us turns out to be right that we're going to let it inflate our ego and we start acting like Sakurai's chosen prophet. No matter how much we convince ourselves that we're Sherlock ****ing Holmes, we're basically just pissing in the wind and hoping we don't get hit for it. Christmas is in two days so if you get genuinely upset that there's people who have a good time coming up with theories or defending theories or arguing for the sake of arguing, take a break, spend time with your family and/or friends.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

That's not answering the question: if my arguments are too complicated despite breaking it down into smaller and smaller parts, how come the explanations against it are ironically significantly more complicated? You say that my ideas betray Occam's Razor but then make responses with the blade thickness of an axe? I... Uh... Bleh... Obviously no one is going to budge on this so it's one of those "golly, I guess we disagree on this thing" and leave it at that. If it's too complicated for you, then it's too complicated for you. Carry on my wayward son and all that.

The length of our responses has literally nothing to do with how complicated or not your theory is. The refutation of your theory just goes more into detail than your actual initial theory does. As I've said before, your theory isn't terribly complex on paper... but it requires tons of assumptions and leaps in logic that are significantly more complex than you're willing to admit and have greater implications than you're willing to admit. You're just being intransigent about your theory at this point, so yeah, we can drop this if you're not willing to actually engage in a discussion about the substance of your theory.

honestly, ol' whatshisname from GameFAQs should come over here and give you a pat on the back since you're the one doing all the legwork to defend his theory.

Which this post reminds me that I've been wanting to throw out there for everyone in this thread, regardless of where you stand on Geno or any other character:

No one with a healthy mindset believes anything we theorize as fans on a message board is the gospel. No one thinks that they're going to be the one who cracks the Smash code and starts predicting every character and every release date, and I seriously doubt that even if one of us turns out to be right that we're going to let it inflate our ego and we start acting like Sakurai's chosen prophet. No matter how much we convince ourselves that we're Sherlock ****ing Holmes, we're basically just pissing in the wind and hoping we don't get hit for it. Christmas is in two days so if you get genuinely upset that there's people who have a good time coming up with theories or defending theories or arguing for the sake of arguing, take a break, spend time with your family and/or friends.

You've seriously misjudged us if you think those of us working to demonstrate the issues with the theory ever thought it was gospel or were getting genuinely upset about it. It's a discussion board and we're discussing the substance of the theory in order to demonstrate issues with said theory. It's just pretty standard fair.

 

[Fatmanonice]

"Fatman, I think you're full of ****!"

Well, I don't but you're free to believe that I am.

"WHY AREN'T YOU DISAGREEING WITH YOURSELF?!? YOU... YOU... FRAUD-MAN-ALL-LIES!!!!!"

I'm not sure what people are wanting out of this at this point? Again, living rent free over here for some reason.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

"Fatman, I think you're full of ****!"

Well, I don't but you're free to believe that I am.

"WHY AREN'T YOU DISAGREEING WITH YOURSELF?!? YOU... YOU... FRAUD-MAN-ALL-LIES!!!!!"

I'm not sure what people are wanting out of this at this point? Again, living rent free over here for some reason.

With love. - SirJuicius

I hope somebody get's this.

 

[ForsakenM]

Some of ya'll need to relax with these essays. That or just write novels instead.

Nah man, I'm either 100% or -.25%

Either I'm writing paragraphs or I'm not even really here.

 

[EarlTamm]

Nah man, I'm either 100% or -.25%

Either I'm writing paragraphs or I'm not even really here.

I think that goes for a few people here as well.

On my end, I don't know if I have ever written a post that goes beyond two full paragraphs.

 

[Fatmanonice]

EricTheGamerman Bold of you to assume I put a lot of value of whether I'm right or not. It's video game speculation, my guy. Like I said, you're free to blast ass all over my welcome mat if I'm wrong. Merry Christmas.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Nah man, I'm either 100% or -.25%

Either I'm writing paragraphs or I'm not even really here.

I can confirm this. Finding a "small post" of his is barely 1%. There's a reason he spoiler tags a lot. Which is a nice thing to do for others.

 

[Fatmanonice]

When people get mad about my speculation:

The grand ol' question of the day. I've been here almost 15 years. Like I said, I'm going to be here until either the site shuts down or Geno gets in. Guess we're stuck with each other.

 

[RingJ5]

You do realize that they have to renegotiate for Beware the Forests Mushrooms, and there's probably a different procedure for its inclusion in a trailer and in a finished product. We don't know at all how much things might have changed for Square Enix or if they may have been more difficult in negotiating for Geno content a second time around because of the renewed interest or something of the sort.



So, right now the costumes are as follows, with the returning costumes in bold:

Joker - Yu, Makoto, Teddy, Morgana, Tails, Knuckles (2 Returning Costumes)
Hero - Dragon Quest 1 Hero (Erdrick), Martial Artist, Veronica, Slime (0 Returning Costumes)
Banjo & Kazooie - Sans, Goemon, Team Rocket Grunt, Zero, Protoman (2 Returning Costumes)
Terry - Nakoruru, Ryo, Iori, Akira, Jacky (2 Returning Costumes)

The flaws come from how the "power of six" was originally propositioned. The power of six would have been as follows:

Joker - Yu, Makoto, Teddy, Morgana, Tails, Knuckles (2 Returning Costumes)
Hero - Dragon Quest 1 Hero (Erdrick), Martial Artist, Veronica, Slime, Chocobo, Geno (2 Returning Costumes)
Banjo & Kazooie - Sans, Goemon, Zero, Protoman, EXE, X (4 Returning Costumes)
Terry - Nakoruru, Ryo, Iori, Akira, Jacky, Heihachi (3 Returning Costumes)
FP#5 - ?, ?, Gil, Lloyd, Rathalos Armor, Hunter Armor (4 Returning Costumes)

This is the proposition that Fatmanonice makes with the original "power of six." The issue with the theory comes from how much it assumes. Here are the assumptions I'll list out:

1. Hero was supposed to come with additional Square Enix content and not just be a focus on Dragon Quest. It's a sensible idea on paper, but there's nothing factually backing it up outside of "it would make sense."
2. Banjo & Kazooie were originally supposed to come with 2 more returning costumes. Again, this is part of the theory that cannot be substantiated outside of "it fits with the theory." The theory demands that there originally have been 4 costumes here so as to fit the return of all previous missing Mii costumes, so this has to be true for "power of six" to hold any grounds... but again, it remains completely unproven.
3. Team Rocket Grunt was a replacement for one of those missing costumes. I genuinely don't know how this comes in to play in any logical way. The sole "evidence" that is claimed for this is that the Team Rocket Grunt is the only first party costume in the game... but that doesn't actually tell us anything conclusive. It could have just been a cool idea that they finally got the approval for or just genuinely always been planned to come with Banjo & Kazooie. Everything in the "power of six" being correct hinges on Team Rocket Grunt (or Sans or Goemon) being a replacement for a cut returning costume... Otherwise there would be either 7 costumes with Banjo & Kazooie or there were never planned to come with 4 returning ones (3 does work if we assume Fighter #5 comes with only one new costume in that scenario, but it's pretty unlikely).
4. The cut costumes from Banjo & Kazooie were specifically EXE and X. In addition to the leap of logic required to get to the fact that B&K were originally supposed to come with 4 returning costumes, it specifically requires yet another leap in that they were supposed to be all Mega Man costumes to fit the "thematic theming" concept the theory pushes forward. There's once again, nothing to substantiate this claim in the least bit other than "it works with the theory." It's worth pointing out that the Mega Man costumes in Smash 4 came in different batches, so there's no guarantee they were ever supposed to come together. Fatmanonice also likes to point out that it would have neatly fit to 2 swords, 4 gunners as if there is a consistency to what gets released when in terms of "types" of costumes... but then Terry also breaks that mold. He came with 1 sword, 4 brawlers... if the original power of six had been followed it would have been 1 sword, 5 brawlers. Which means that balance of "types" was never a priority for the team before or after whatever decisions were made regarding future DLC.
   1. It's worth also pointing out that if plans had changed there's no reason to change the original plan and make a replacement. Hero came with 4 costumes and 0 of those were returning costumes, they had no issue with a smaller batch of all new ones previously, and there's no reason to cut specifically EXE and X as we're unlikely to get more Mega Man content since all the wanted and sensible options are already present as Mii costumes in Protoman and Zero (and Bass is in the Final Smash). You can say, well another Capcom character is coming... but again, that assumes A. Another Capcom character is indeed coming and B. They care about the fact that there is a returning costume with said Capcom character (which they didn't care about with regards to Hero). Again, neither is a provable claim and requires additional assumptions.
5. Chocobo was cut to join Geno in future DLC/throw people off from the idea that he would be playable. Again, the "power of six" insists that Chocobo was slated to come with Hero, but was cut. Again, this is the second instance in which we have to assume an unnecessary cut was made in order to satisfy the new "power of two" rule. That puts us at a minimum of 3 unnecessary cuts (EXE, X, and Chocobo). None of these need to be cut. They can just cut Geno if he's going to be DLC later on, and they can just cut Heihachi if he's going to be DLC later on (those are the 2 costumes that are presumably the most notably missing).

You all see where I'm going with this. Power of six, and the ad hoc hypothesis of the "power of two," require tons of logical leaps and assumptions to be some complete theory. It's ridiculous to try to use "Occam's Razor" as a defense when you've added so many unnecessary complications and wrinkles in those additional assumptions to make one giant massive theory as opposed to a more straightforward one like: Geno and Heihachi were cut because they will be playable in the future. Even that's entirely unsubstantiated because of the fact that "it makes sense" isn't actually a terribly important line of logic. Geno and Heihachi may have made sense to be included with Hero and Terry respectively, but there's no guarantee they were ever meant to come with them and there's not even a guarantee that they'll return to begin with...

But it's a much simpler and easy to digest theory that doesn't require this much from an observer as the power of six and power of two. Those in particular are on incredibly shaky ground at best and nowhere near the simplistic and "obvious" explanations people seem to think them to be. They're convoluted masses of explanation with a couple of pieces of circumstantial and possible evidence at best.

I think you’re attaching more onto “power of two” than is intended. The “two” theory is basically just this:

Good lord some of y’all can write freakin novels. Okay so if I’m caught up correctly.

-every fighter has come with 2 returning Mii costumes except Hero.
-Thematically the most logical returning costumes to come with Hero would be Geno and Chocobo
-They didn’t
-So Geno is in

Why does this take so much yelling

It’s not implying that Rocket Grunt was a replacement or whatever the hell the original theory was trying to say about Heihachi, it’s simply just “every wave has had exactly two so far besides Hero, and Hero coming eith just Chocobo and not Geno would cause speculation to ****ing explode in on itself.” That’s basically it, it’s not nearly the same kind of insane logical leap that Six is.

 

[Kewl0210]

I feel like that one guy having a list of really specific correct Mii costumes that also had Mallow/Smithy on it seems like, way more evidence than anything else. Moreso than the Cacomallow leak which could very well be a mod.

Beyond that it's fine to make theories because they're kinda just for fun and COULD be right. But they shouldn't be thought about like they're "sure things". Like Color Theory which is kind of just looking at something that wasn't meant to be really a hint, more of a coincidence.

 

[Spatulo]

The issue, for me at least, is the conclusion being jumped to. If anything, it would indicate any Square-Enix character, not just Geno. Someone like 2B could, theoretically, come with those costumes as well (and imo she fits the general direction of the Pass better, but your mileage may vary).

If it wasn’t Geno, why would they bother holding back Geno’s costume? Unless it was literally just to pad out the Mii Costume release schedule, and from my personal speculation I doubt that Mii Costumes take so many resources as to force them to do that if future characters are coming with costumes

 

[Datboigeno]

tbh I think it's kind of weird that all of a sudden a bunch of people who have historically been, let's say, less than positive about Geno and his chances decided to jump in all at once and dogpile on those of us who think that things are looking good for Geno and trashing what seems to me to be a pretty straightforward theory as either being too simple or too complicated. And just seem to be going around and around in circles when at several points people have basically said "Yeah this could be wrong I guess, but I don't think so" and yet they just keep going with it.

At a certain point I don't quite get why the idea that Geno could be coming as a playable and not a costume because he didn't show up is so upsetting to some people or that some people really seem like they want to stick it to this thread on this topic and especially stick it to some specific people in this thread.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I feel like that one guy having a list of really specific correct Mii costumes that also had Mallow/Smithy on it seems like, way more evidence than anything else. Moreso than the Cacomallow leak which could very well be a mod.

Beyond that it's fine to make theories because they're kinda just for fun and COULD be right. But they shouldn't be thought about like they're "sure things". Like Color Theory which is kind of just looking at something that wasn't meant to be really a hint, more of a coincidence.

Yes, thank you.. Keyword: COULD. That's the operative word here. COULD. Not "absolutely", not "inevitably", could. Could happen is literally anything between 1% and 99%. If people are seething over options beside 0% and 100%, speculation probably isn't a healthy pastime to take up.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I even think Geno's chances are good. But a theory that requires too many conclusive jumps while ignoring points against it too often isn't a good way to go about it.

I want him in. But I'm someone who also tries to look at all information and keep skeptical.

If it wasn’t Geno, why would they bother holding back Geno’s costume? Unless it was literally just to pad out the Mii Costume release schedule, and from my personal speculation I doubt that Mii Costumes take so many resources as to force them to do that if future characters are coming with costumes

Or maybe cause Square-Enix and Sakurai wanted a DQ-specific direct. It's not honestly that hard to believe. He comes in later. Big deal. It's not like it would matter if he was in that pack or pack 5 if he is still going to be a costume.

It's reasonable to think he would've come with his company. But he didn't. The costumes are all over the place in some cases. Of course it could just as well mean Geno is in. I'm hoping for that myself. But it's not evidence so much as a lack of any information. I"m most worried that the costume is scrapped and that's the end of it. I keep it as a possibility because a lot of things need to be re-licensed. It's quite possible Geno was licensed more than once(once for Ultimate to use the Mii costume and icon, and once for Smash 4 including the one-time use Song). It's possible he was fully licensed to be a Mii Costume the first time around for both games, along with the Online Icon and Spirit. And he just simply hasn't come out yet since their perfect chance had them of another thing(note my first sentence in the reply for a legitimate possibility).

I don't know what is more likely. Returning costume, playable, costume not coming back, really. I couldn't say. I don't have a thought due to a severe lack of actual details to come up with a halfway decent conclusion.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

fatman speculates on what he thinks might happen and is wrong -

“SATAN! LIAR!”

Joe schmo speculates about why KOS-MOS is probably coming because he learned about her existence on 4chan last week -

Literally no one cares or remembers.

Watching people in this thread demand that Fatman provides tangible proof that his SPECULATION will come true is ****ing hilarious. Theories have been right before. Theories have been wrong before. Same thing as leaks. We never know for sure until a reveal. Stop pooping your pants over a pretty solid theory

 

[JoscarGamma]

I think it’s a good theory and has been simple to understand. I mean, after things like box theory and color theory, this one (to me) gives us ideas of what companies or characters can come with these leftover costumes. Is it set in stone? No, it can change. Sakurai could just release the costumes without any major significance like the costumes that came with Banjo. At least this drives the conversation during the drought from here till the next direct