Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Deleted member]

Help me contreras.

The Ultimate Social thread is going too slow, I fear to take part of the Newcomer thread right now and my mother is this close to making me see the live action remake of Beauty And The Beast with her.

This thread is my only hope at the moment.

 

[ForsakenM]

I feel like that one guy having a list of really specific correct Mii costumes that also had Mallow/Smithy on it seems like, way more evidence than anything else. Moreso than the Cacomallow leak which could very well be a mod.

Beyond that it's fine to make theories because they're kinda just for fun and COULD be right. But they shouldn't be thought about like they're "sure things". Like Color Theory which is kind of just looking at something that wasn't meant to be really a hint, more of a coincidence.

Ayeee, someone gets it.

Also I have no problem with anyone trying to take apart my theories really. There is only so much I can prove. However, I've been doing pretty good this year with trying to line-up timeframes and so far I'm batting a thousand because I was right about future DLC as far back as June/July with my earliest posting about it in July, although I remember much before that I was touting about 'Nintendo loves money, of course they will make more!' and that technically isn;t wrong either.

The main part of my theory is honestly just timeframes and placing where I think things happened and how it affected things down the line (like Hero having no returning costumes and how gameplay breakdowns changed from Joker being a massive production to everyone else getting a Sakurai Stream) and by doing so trying to get an idea on when characters could be done and thus when they may be coming.

The only reason I ever even originally tied it to Geno was because some of my theory lined up with it and we have strong evidence besides.

That and, if I didn't make it about Geno, the mods would yell at me.

 

[Franco Geno]

Help me contreras.

The Ultimate Social thread is going too slow, I fear to take part of the Newcomer thread right now and my mother is this close to making me see the live action remake of Beauty And The Beast with her.

This thread is my only hope at the moment.

Oh god not the Disney live action remakes...

 

[ActualGarbage]

Help me contreras.

The Ultimate Social thread is going too slow, I fear to take part of the Newcomer thread right now and my mother is this close to making me see the live action remake of Beauty And The Beast with her.

This thread is my only hope at the moment.

That's off topic but yo that movie's hot garbage, I hope you end up watching it.

 

[Deleted member]

Ok, let's try to talk about Geno.

I find Geno really likely. Either as a fighter or a Mii Costume but he may be added through some form in the near future for sure.

And as someone who really liked Super Mario RPG on the SNES Classic, I would be cool with him.

 

[Spatulo]

I even think Geno's chances are good. But a theory that requires too many conclusive jumps while ignoring points against it too often isn't a good way to go about it.

I want him in. But I'm someone who also tries to look at all information and keep skeptical.


Or maybe cause Square-Enix and Sakurai wanted a DQ-specific direct. It's not honestly that hard to believe. He comes in later. Big deal. It's not like it would matter if he was in that pack or pack 5 if he is still going to be a costume.

It's reasonable to think he would've come with his company. But he didn't. The costumes are all over the place in some cases. Of course it could just as well mean Geno is in. I'm hoping for that myself. But it's not evidence so much as a lack of any information. I"m most worried that the costume is scrapped and that's the end of it. I keep it as a possibility because a lot of things need to be re-licensed. It's quite possible Geno was licensed more than once(once for Ultimate to use the Mii costume and icon, and once for Smash 4 including the one-time use Song). It's possible he was fully licensed to be a Mii Costume the first time around for both games, along with the Online Icon and Spirit. And he just simply hasn't come out yet since their perfect chance had them of another thing(note my first sentence in the reply for a legitimate possibility).

I don't know what is more likely. Returning costume, playable, costume not coming back, really. I couldn't say. I don't have a thought due to a severe lack of actual details to come up with a halfway decent conclusion.

I even see where you’re coming from with the whole “focus on DQ” thing but frankly that seems like significantly more of a logical leap.

Franchises that Sakurai loves and would want to focus on:
Persona
DQ
Fatal Fury/SNK

Franchises with no costumes from other series that came with their characters:
DQ

Sure, it’s entirely possible that the costume is coming later. It’s possible that character 5 is KOS-MOS. It’s possible that it’s Professor E Gadd. It’s possible that it’s Bomberman, or Isaac, or Sora, or Nightmare, or Travis Touchdown, or Master Chief, or Goku, or a giant middle finger, and it’s possible that all the remaining DLC fighters are also literal playable middle fingers and they all come with the Geno Mii Costume and every time you select it instead of saying Mii Gunner the announcer says “**** Geno”. All of that is possible, but the current speculation is that the lack of the returning Mii costume so far is an indication that maybe it’s possible that Geno could maybe possibly be a dlc character. No one here is saying Geno is guaranteed but we feel pretty positive about it due to our speculation, and I don’t see how being positive about something that has a possibility of being wrong is so bad. Like, duh, we could be wrong, that’s why it’s called speculation.

 

[Fatmanonice]

8 Geno colors? Probably the default and the 7 star colors despite how boring that would be. An edgy black and red Geno would make 8 year old me happy.

 

[Deleted member]

8 Geno colors? Probably the default and the 7 star colors despite how boring that would be. An edgy black and red Geno would make 8 year old me happy.

Maybe also a Mallow colour pallette?

 

[Spatulo]

8 Geno colors? Probably the default and the 7 star colors despite how boring that would be. An edgy black and red Geno would make 8 year old me happy.

My hope would be the colors would be based off other SMRPG characters or even characters from other Mario RPGs, but yeah just basing them off the 7 stars themselves is probably a safer bet

 

[Mega_Mario_Man]

No one here is saying Geno is guaranteed but we feel pretty positive about it due to our speculation, and I don’t see how being positive about something that has a possibility of being wrong is so bad. Like, duh, we could be wrong, that’s why it’s called speculation.

All I can think of when I read this is that quote from Mona in Shovel Knight Showdown when a Liquid Samurai tells her she's meddling with things she doesn't understand and Mona's just like "that's what science is"

 

[CannonStreak]

Maybe also a Mallow colour pallette?

I know they both were not in the same game, but how about Starlow from the Mario and Luigi games, as in a Starlow color scheme? Both she and Geno have to do with stars, after all.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I even see where you’re coming from with the whole “focus on DQ” thing but frankly that seems like significantly more of a logical leap.

Franchises that Sakurai loves and would want to focus on:
Persona
DQ
Fatal Fury/SNK

Franchises with no costumes from other series that came with their characters:
DQ

Sure, it’s entirely possible that the costume is coming later. It’s possible that character 5 is KOS-MOS. It’s possible that it’s Professor E Gadd. It’s possible that it’s Bomberman, or Isaac, or Sora, or Nightmare, or Travis Touchdown, or Master Chief, or Goku, or a giant middle finger, and it’s possible that all the remaining DLC fighters are also literal playable middle fingers and they all come with the Geno Mii Costume and every time you select it instead of saying Mii Gunner the announcer says “**** Geno”. All of that is possible, but the current speculation is that the lack of the returning Mii costume so far is an indication that maybe it’s possible that Geno could maybe possibly be a dlc character. No one here is saying Geno is guaranteed but we feel pretty positive about it due to our speculation, and I don’t see how being positive about something that has a possibility of being wrong is so bad. Like, duh, we could be wrong, that’s why it’s called speculation.

Huge difference is that Square-Enix actually is a fairly controlling company as is. But more importantly, Terry is basically Mr. SNK, not Fatal Fury.

Banjo's a decent point, but he doesn't have a remote theme to his costume set up and nothing else Microsoft is mentioned(other than to support the company by Sakurai's statements). So they're all outliers in their costumes too. There's really nothing concrete about it overall. Mostly all of the costumes with Terry were SNK bar two special ones, the fighting game characters from Sega's options. Key term being Sega.

Also, Sakurai talks an awful lot about Erdrick, one of his personal favorites, using him a bit more than the others(despite Luminary being the star). It's not a normal direct or a normal procedure.

Keep in mind another possibility is the costumes were not re-licensed anyway, so once again, that'd explain a lot. I do agree that Hero was a great time to announce the returning SE costumes. Don't get me wrong. Buttttttt that's not how life always is. I would wait to see what happens, cause to be honest, we're very in the dark. I'm sure we'll know a lot more soon enough. We might know by FP5. Geno could legitimately be the first post-pass character.

Basically, not every direct will be the same. One direct being an outlier(Hero) doesn't mean others follow the same pattern. There's barely a pattern, mind you, but yeah.

I hope that explains well what I mean.

 

[Fatmanonice]

KCCHIEFS27

In other words, this is basically the perfect metaphor for today:

 

[Ze Diglett]

All I can think of when I read this is that quote from Mona in Shovel Knight Showdown when a Liquid Samurai tells her she's meddling with things she doesn't understand and Mona's just like "that's what science is"

I see you're a man (or woman) of patrician taste as well.

 

[Deleted member]

You've seriously misjudged us if you think those of us working to demonstrate the issues with the theory ever thought it was gospel or were getting genuinely upset about it. It's a discussion board and we're discussing the substance of the theory in order to demonstrate issues with said theory. It's just pretty standard fair.

That's really weird, that you say "us" like I haven't been actively arguing against the power of six theory. It's like you feel like I targeted that message at you or even anyone specifically in this thread. It was a good will message to remind people not to take any of this too seriously because in the end, nothing we do or say will change the future, unless in Geno's presentation Sakurai says "well this guy wouldn't even be here if it weren't for all those weirdos on Smashboards talking about him every day. I don't even know what I'm doing here."

 

[Datboigeno]

Funny maymay

 

[Mega_Mario_Man]

I see you're a man (or woman) of patrician taste as well.

That's funny, I was about to say the exact same thing about Fatman posting the Courage macaroni clip

Mona best girl go ahead and @ me

 

[Spatulo]

Huge difference is that Square-Enix actually is a fairly controlling company as is. But more importantly, Terry is basically Mr. SNK, not Fatal Fury.

Banjo's a decent point, but he doesn't have a remote theme to his costume set up and nothing else Microsoft is mentioned(other than to support the company by Sakurai's statements). So they're all outliers in their costumes too. There's really nothing concrete about it overall. Mostly all of the costumes with Terry were SNK bar two special ones, the fighting game characters from Sega's options. Key term being Sega.

Also, Sakurai talks an awful lot about Erdrick, one of his personal favorites, using him a bit more than the others(despite Luminary being the star). It's not a normal direct or a normal procedure.

Keep in mind another possibility is the costumes were not re-licensed anyway, so once again, that'd explain a lot. I do agree that Hero was a great time to announce the returning SE costumes. Don't get me wrong. Buttttttt that's not how life always is. I would wait to see what happens, cause to be honest, we're very in the dark. I'm sure we'll know a lot more soon enough. We might know by FP5. Geno could legitimately be the first post-pass character.

Basically, not every direct will be the same. One direct being an outlier(Hero) doesn't mean others follow the same pattern. There's barely a pattern, mind you, but yeah.

I hope that explains well what I mean.

*blinks several times in rapid succession*
Yes it’s entirely possible that Geno’s costume is just coming later or even not at all but the lack of it so far means there’s a possibility that he’s coming as a character, and the lack of any returning Mii Costumes with Hero is an unusual outlier in the DLC so far and given that Geno is a Square Enix character (sort of) it seems logical that if he was to return it would’ve been there, thus leading to the theory that he was meant to but after more DLC was decided on the costume was removed because he was chosen as a character. But that could be wrong.

 

[TriggerX]

I think there are some solid patterns that lean towards Geno's inclusion in Smash, just not as FP5. I also don't see him as any kind of bonus character unless Nintendo has secured his rights for future games.

I could definitely see Geno getting the "Sans" treatment, and he would be represented fairly well if the helmet part of the costume had its own unique animations. Essentially making him a gunner echo.

If Geno does make it into Smash as a fully done character, I really hope he gets some kind of costume redesign as well as the original.

 

[ForsakenM]

I even think Geno's chances are good. But a theory that requires too many conclusive jumps while ignoring points against it too often isn't a good way to go about it.

I want him in. But I'm someone who also tries to look at all information and keep skeptical.


Or maybe cause Square-Enix and Sakurai wanted a DQ-specific direct. It's not honestly that hard to believe. He comes in later. Big deal. It's not like it would matter if he was in that pack or pack 5 if he is still going to be a costume.

It's reasonable to think he would've come with his company. But he didn't. The costumes are all over the place in some cases. Of course it could just as well mean Geno is in. I'm hoping for that myself. But it's not evidence so much as a lack of any information. I"m most worried that the costume is scrapped and that's the end of it. I keep it as a possibility because a lot of things need to be re-licensed. It's quite possible Geno was licensed more than once(once for Ultimate to use the Mii costume and icon, and once for Smash 4 including the one-time use Song). It's possible he was fully licensed to be a Mii Costume the first time around for both games, along with the Online Icon and Spirit. And he just simply hasn't come out yet since their perfect chance had them of another thing(note my first sentence in the reply for a legitimate possibility).

I don't know what is more likely. Returning costume, playable, costume not coming back, really. I couldn't say. I don't have a thought due to a severe lack of actual details to come up with a halfway decent conclusion.

See this is why I haven't put any thought into 'Power of Six' Theory and why I haven't connected my theory to either that or the idea of each character bringing two Smash 4 Mii costumes with them because I don't need my theory connected to another to support it. I just find it interesting that Hero is this strange outlier when it was definitely the call to drop Geno/Geno & Chocobo with the other costumes.

Sure, it COULD have been just been a 'This is only for DQ because we love it and it's special!' kind of thing and I honestly wouldn't be surprised. It could just be that easy...but it also could have been just that easy to drop other Square Enix Mii costumes with him and really not have it take away from DQ all that much. On top of that, it REALLY seems like they have been trying to return all of the 3rd party costumes through DLC, and it's weird that each Mii costume line-up has gotten two aside from Hero. Hell, even who got no Mii costumes from their own series or from Microsoft not only brought new Mii costumes but still only featured two returning costumes. It just seems really odd.

When I was whisking together my timeline theory, I looked at my previous one that talked about how it was just TOO crazy to think that Sakurai and Co. being that far ahead meant absolutely nothing. There was no way they could be that far ahead of schedule and not have something planned, and people back then came to me and said 'Nah man, they could just be ahead of schedule. It doesn't have to mean anything.' Even MissingGlitch hit me with that...but guess who was in the right? This guy right here. Not only was I right, but I was right based off just a couple of small facts and the rest was guesswork.

Thus, I used the same method of grabbing facts and plugging in guesswork, and this is what I have. I took the facts of how long it's taken them to make characters and how they are done well before release and essentially done by their reveal as long as that reveal has gameplay. I took in the fact that Nintendo has a history of kinda just throwing stuff at Sakurai super suddenly and without really taking how he feels or what is going on with his life into consideration. I took in the fact that all the footage used need to be recorded (and possibly re-recorded until they got their desired outcome) and edited and in cases translated which takes a lot of time and I took the fact that the updates to the game that come with the character, the patches for the Amiibo and the Mii costumes have to all be finished and ready to go when that character drops. I mixed that all with guesswork and this is what I got.

It could easily be wrong, and the parts that involve Geno are the parts that come in last and are supported much more by the missing costume, Mii Costume list and the CacoMallow image and videos than by my own theory. I just pieced those in around timeframes of my own theory and they happened to fit in perfectly rather than being a chore or having to force them in. This could all be wrong, but I find it funny how it all just kinda falls into place on it's own.

Speaking of which, I never really talked about the Mii Costume list that has both Mallow and Smithy on it. I never talk about it because I find it to be the weakest evidence personally: it's just what someone who is semi-credible says will happen with no proof yet. However, this info came out in June or July I believe, which once again fits in effortlessly with my theory because the time line of some characters being already negotiated and even worked on by that time being very likely. The lack of Geno's costume being revealed fits in with negotiations resulting in changes that had to be made as well as those negotiations happening very early in the year, the Mii Costume list fits the timing of information being able to be gathered due to characters already being negotiated and being worked on, and CacoMallow not being disproven yet fits in with Mii costumes being easier to make and being done in advance as well as matching the timeline of the previous bits of information.

This also doesn't account for the backlash they received for holding onto those Assist Trophies for so long as well as the Waluigi backlash earlier on, teaching Nintendo that characters the community really loves, should they not be playable, should be announced earlier to let us down easily and much sooner. When you add in that fans were not truly satisfied with the Geno Mii costume in Smash 4 and it just paints a picture of Geno being negotiated for earlier this year.

Still could easily be wrong though, but I expect Geno to be announced early next year. I am that confident! :D

 

[Fatmanonice]

Wait... Are there still people who think we think Geno's going to be 5?

This thread hasn't collectively believed Geno was going to be 5 since like... August-ish. I don't know, guys. I know people low-ball our fanbase a lot but holy hell...

 

[ForsakenM]

Wait... Are there still people who think we think Geno's going to be 5?

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This thread hasn't collectively believed Geno was going to be 5 since like... August-ish. I don't know, guys. I know people low-ball our fanbase a lot but holy hell...

Courage the Cowardly Dog stuff gives me life.

More of this, please.

 

[TriggerX]

Wait... Are there still people who think we think Geno's going to be 5?

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This thread hasn't collectively believed Geno was going to be 5 since like... August-ish. I don't know, guys. I know people low-ball our fanbase a lot but holy hell...

Honestly I wouldn't be too surprised if his costume resurfaced with FP5. Sure, there are patterns to consider, however this being what was intended as the final fighter pass could potentially be the biggest update. Idk I'm really pulling this out of thin air, but this last update could be siginificantly bigger than previous updates in terms of content if the original intention was to go out with a bang. Could be why information regarding this character so close to their release has been under wraps.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

*blinks several times in rapid succession*
Yes it’s entirely possible that Geno’s costume is just coming later or even not at all but the lack of it so far means there’s a possibility that he’s coming as a character, and the lack of any returning Mii Costumes with Hero is an unusual outlier in the DLC so far and given that Geno is a Square Enix character (sort of) it seems logical that if he was to return it would’ve been there, thus leading to the theory that he was meant to but after more DLC was decided on the costume was removed because he was chosen as a character. But that could be wrong.

No, I mean he was never a costume in Ultimate. That's a reason he wasn't in Ultimate. One possibility.

I barely consider Hero an outlier. There was no guarantee Geno could only come with a SE character, or the first one for that matter. That was just a simple conclusion we came up with. Banjo sticks out way more than Hero, and then Terry also sticks out.

Like, yeah, he might've been intended for Hero's set, but they went with DQ only for some reason(considering SE heavily promoting DQ11 more than any game, even FFVIIr, there is a fair logic that they wanted it that way). But that's just yet another reason they did something different.

I'm not sure why this is such a big deal to get. They decided Hero should be DQ only and stuck with it. So the costume was delayed. It's not some odd thing. We shouldn't let our personal expectations cloud what could happen.

See this is why I haven't put any thought into 'Power of Six' Theory and why I haven't connected my theory to either that or the idea of each character bringing two Smash 4 Mii costumes with them because I don't need my theory connected to another to support it. I just find it interesting that Hero is this strange outlier when it was definitely the call to drop Geno/Geno & Chocobo with the other costumes.

Sure, it COULD have been just been a 'This is only for DQ because we love it and it's special!' kind of thing and I honestly wouldn't be surprised. It could just be that easy...but it also could have been just that easy to drop other Square Enix Mii costumes with him and really not have it take away from DQ all that much. On top of that, it REALLY seems like they have been trying to return all of the 3rd party costumes through DLC, and it's weird that each Mii costume line-up has gotten two aside from Hero. Hell, even who got no Mii costumes from their own series or from Microsoft not only brought new Mii costumes but still only featured two returning costumes. It just seems really odd.

When I was whisking together my timeline theory, I looked at my previous one that talked about how it was just TOO crazy to think that Sakurai and Co. being that far ahead meant absolutely nothing. There was no way they could be that far ahead of schedule and not have something planned, and people back then came to me and said 'Nah man, they could just be ahead of schedule. It doesn't have to mean anything.' Even MissingGlitch hit me with that...but guess who was in the right? This guy right here. Not only was I right, but I was right based off just a couple of small facts and the rest was guesswork.

Thus, I used the same method of grabbing facts and plugging in guesswork, and this is what I have. I took the facts of how long it's taken them to make characters and how they are done well before release and essentially done by their reveal as long as that reveal has gameplay. I took in the fact that Nintendo has a history of kinda just throwing stuff at Sakurai super suddenly and without really taking how he feels or what is going on with his life into consideration. I took in the fact that all the footage used need to be recorded (and possibly re-recorded until they got their desired outcome) and edited and in cases translated which takes a lot of time and I took the fact that the updates to the game that come with the character, the patches for the Amiibo and the Mii costumes have to all be finished and ready to go when that character drops. I mixed that all with guesswork and this is what I got.

It could easily be wrong, and the parts that involve Geno are the parts that come in last and are supported much more by the missing costume, Mii Costume list and the CacoMallow image and videos than by my own theory. I just pieced those in around timeframes of my own theory and they happened to fit in perfectly rather than being a chore or having to force them in. This could all be wrong, but I find it funny how it all just kinda falls into place on it's own.

Speaking of which, I never really talked about the Mii Costume list that has both Mallow and Smithy on it. I never talk about it because I find it to be the weakest evidence personally: it's just what someone who is semi-credible says will happen with no proof yet. However, this info came out in June or July I believe, which once again fits in effortlessly with my theory because the time line of some characters being already negotiated and even worked on by that time being very likely. The lack of Geno's costume being revealed fits in with negotiations resulting in changes that had to be made as well as those negotiations happening very early in the year, the Mii Costume list fits the timing of information being able to be gathered due to characters already being negotiated and being worked on, and CacoMallow not being disproven yet fits in with Mii costumes being easier to make and being done in advance as well as matching the timeline of the previous bits of information.

This also doesn't account for the backlash they received for holding onto those Assist Trophies for so long as well as the Waluigi backlash earlier on, teaching Nintendo that characters the community really loves, should they not be playable, should be announced earlier to let us down easily and much sooner. When you add in that fans were not truly satisfied with the Geno Mii costume in Smash 4 and it just paints a picture of Geno being negotiated for earlier this year.

Still could easily be wrong though, but I expect Geno to be announced early next year. I am that confident! :D

Okay, I admit that I am for the first time lost by a big post of yours. Don't take it personally. You could say it's karma even.

I think the AT backlash, though, is worth mentioning. Sakurai and his crew seem to have plans that simply tend to cause uproars. It's just unfortunate, but that's what it is. Incineroar was often treated as a lame character to end on too. These kind of things happen cause it's just a difference of opinions overall on what is the best time for reveals and such. Sakurai is pretty unique in that regard.

I'll be able to respond to a bit or two; CacoMallow isn't good evidence because it's a leak in itself and is questionable right now. It shouldn't be taken much into account because there's too many who say it's possible. It's too unproven. Someone like Verge at least has a track record that gives him more reliability. Basically, it's why I don't think the leak means too much. It also could be just a part of costumes, including a Geno one, for all we know. It's full of too many possibilities, even if it's real, that it doesn't help nor hurt Geno's position. I absolutely do think his costume not being shown off yet helped Geno. No questioning that. I also don't believe in the Smithy leak either, to be fair.

I apologize cause I legitimately am unable to understand what you're saying for a lot of this. Brain fart perhaps. Sometimes my mind goes blank on more scientific explanations. It might be best if we don't continue since I can't properly respond to you. Sorry about that.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Truth be told, all the DLC was super under wraps. Hero was only known because of a massive scandal and then a datamine and Banjo was known by schmos like me as far back as April because Microsoft reps spilled the beans in private and then merch sellers and Resetera mods blew the door off its hinges close to E3. This is why one of mine and Papa's contacts knowing about the Undertale stuff as far back as May and then Banjo's costumes and Terry's spirit board is so wild. How did he get this stuff? Does he live under Sakurai's bed?

 

[EricTheGamerman]

EricTheGamerman Bold of you to assume I put a lot of value of whether I'm right or not. It's video game speculation, my guy. Like I said, you're free to blast ass all over my welcome mat if I'm wrong. Merry Christmas.

And I disagree with your theory and have laid out detailed notes on why, that's all that's going on here. I enjoyed the act of working through a speculative theory personally and picking apart the pieces to analyze them.


And to be clear to the thread about something else yet again, this has nothing to do with Geno's chances. They're good regardless of what is wrong or right here, but it's specifically this theory that I wanted to comment on and comb through because I disagree with the conclusions and way it handles a variety of assumptions. My thoughts on Geno as post pass DLC and my thoughts on this theory are two entirely different things.

 

[catsforlife1]

Truth be told, all the DLC was super under wraps. Hero was only known because of a massive scandal and then a datamine and Banjo was known by schmos like me as far back as April because Microsoft reps spilled the beans in private and then merch sellers and Resetera mods blew the door off its hinges close to E3. This is why one of mine and Papa's contacts knowing about the Undertale stuff as far back as May and then Banjo's costumes and Terry's spirit board is so wild. How did he get this stuff? Does he live under Sakurai's bed?

I thought banjo got leaked last October. I remember papa having a source that said banjo was happening and they also heard incinaroar. Was that guy a actual leaker or did he get lucky? Assuming you know what im talking about that is.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I also heard a rumor that DLC was decided about the same time as spirits. Is there more information to that beyond Opossum mentioning it? That's good information to have, after all.

I remember Banjo being decided upon March of 2018?? Is that a proven rumor??

 

[Spatulo]

No, I mean he was never a costume in Ultimate. That's a reason he wasn't in Ultimate. One possibility.

I barely consider Hero an outlier. There was no guarantee Geno could only come with a SE character, or the first one for that matter. That was just a simple conclusion we came up with. Banjo sticks out way more than Hero, and then Terry always sticks out.

Like, yeah, he might've been intended for Hero's set, but they went with DQ only for some reason(considering SE heavily promoting DQ11 more than any game, even FFVIIr, there is a fair logic that they wanted it that way). But that's just yet another reason they did something different.

I'm not sure why this is such a big deal to get. They decided Hero should be DQ only and stuck with it. So the costume was delayed. It's not some odd thing. We shouldn't let our personal expectations cloud what could happen.

Yeah I said that it’s possible the costume isn’t coming at all, but why shouldn’t we take the lack of it as a possible indication of Geno coming later? Yeah it’s possible that Hero was only ever meant to come with DQ costumes but it’s also possible that he wasn’t? I feel like we’re going in circles here, I feel like something is being missed. Yes, it’s possible that our theories about the Geno costume having been meant to come with Hero are wrong. It’s possible Geno is never coming ever. Cool. Lemme waltz over to Isaac and remind them that it’s possible that no AT will ever be upgraded, go to Shantae and tell them Indies will possibly never get in, go to Bandana Dee and say that it’s possible that no first party DLC is happening, and go to Bomberman to leave flowers

In the absence of hard evidence, speculation is all we have to go off of. And if we aren’t gonna speculate, then we don’t have much reason for being in a character speculation thread now do we?

 

[MisterMike]

Whew, this thread sure as hell moves fast, eh?

So if the Mii Costume leak is real, we will be getting A Mallow and Smithy costume. Has a 3rd party series ever gotten more than 2 Mii costumes without also having a playable rep? I don’t think they would add those 2 if Geno isn’t playable.

Nope, not at all. Even Banjo, who has no costumes from his home series or company, never had more than 2 costumes from an unrelated series or company.

Wha-wha-WHAT!?! You must be joking. The reason of why they look the way they do DOESN'T MATTER. That excuse doesn't make all the Mii Costumes look good. You can give all the reasoning and excuse out there but trash will always look like trash.
Look at all these Mii Costumes. You can immediately tell that they're Miis and they look terrible. They're like Funko Pops, just because you take the character design and rework it to fit a different artstyle doesn't change the fact that the rework is still bad.
https://nintendosoup.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/ssb-3dswiiu-mii-costumes-1.jpg
https://japanesenintendo.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/mii-fighter-costumes-4.jpg
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://nintendowire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/WiiU_SuperSmashBros_screens_061415_MiiCostumes_All_07_bmp_jpgcopy.jpg&imgrefurl=https://nintendowire.com/news/2018/12/27/super-smash-bros-ultimate-will-have-separate-dlc-for-mii-costumes/&docid=yrtkNEYoZciMbM&tbnid=443zO0bHuNPvoM:&vet=10ahUKEwjcpumLnczmAhVQCs0KHbkYBmoQMwh-KA0wDQ..i&w=1920&h=1080&hl=en&authuser=0&bih=625&biw=1366&q=mii costumes&ved=0ahUKEwjcpumLnczmAhVQCs0KHbkYBmoQMwh-KA0wDQ&iact=mrc&uact=8
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://www.gameinformer.com/s3/files/styles/body_default/s3/legacy-images/imagefeed/Final%20Wave%20Of%20Mii%20Fighter%20Costumes%20Announced%20For%20Today%20And%20February/MiiFighter-610.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/12/15/final-wave-of-mii-fighter-costumes-coming-today-february.aspx&docid=N-Pr-3vJVXXzpM&tbnid=xumH31Jrdj1kYM:&vet=10ahUKEwjcpumLnczmAhVQCs0KHbkYBmoQMwiyASg0MDQ..i&w=610&h=345&hl=en&authuser=0&bih=625&biw=1366&q=mii costumes&ved=0ahUKEwjcpumLnczmAhVQCs0KHbkYBmoQMwiyASg0MDQ&iact=mrc&uact=8

I disagree. How they look is a very significant aspect of why people generally don't like or care about the Mii Costumes, after all if they look like poopoo garbage then you won't want to use them, but I think there's some confusion as to what specific detail is turning people off of them. I don't think it's the costumes per se that's bothering people, but rather the faces. When you look at the costumes themselves, they're actually of a very objectively high quality: Virbant colors and a compact design. Granted, they're not perfect (Chibi Robo's hat should've been a helmet, really), but they're far from being complete distasters. The faces they've chosen to showcase those costumes, however, have often been very awkward-looking.

Let's use our boy here as an example. The idea behind the face is obvious, it's to look like Geno's face with the round eyes, the flat nose, and the small mouth. It's all there, but the proportions are off: the eyes are way too big compared to the nose and especially the mouth, and they're a bit too far apart. This was probably done to compensate for the size of the hat, which is rather large and loose-fitting.

But that's only one example. Next, let's use the example you used: Funko Pops aren't bad-looking because of the big heads or the disparate styles they go with, rather it's because of their creepy, beady little eyes. Take a look at these ones:
https://www.funko.com/craftmin/prod...GLAM-WEB-abc6d1ccb32baec0472eed478dfd593a.png
https://www.funko.com/craftmin/prod...GLAM-WEB-0e54601a5705acb964b909083828925c.png
https://www.funko.com/craftmin/prod...GLAM-WEB-5bc289e635b950021ded1b2d98464553.png
Looks kind of decent, doesn't it? That's because it doesn't have the eyes. The eyes they use are so simple that they can be placed on anything, but not every character, or most characters for that matter, have the kind of design that looks good with those eyes.
https://www.funko.com/craftmin/prod...on_WEB-1-9412669e19573bdaf2d15bc4a9f18b98.png
This is probably the only design I've seen that both uses the standard Funko Pop eyes and looks at least decent. In most cases they look hollow, lifeless, and very much unlike the character's actual eyes.

On the note of "Power of Two", I'd like to hear people's opinions on who they think 5's pairing will be.

Me and ur mum.

Good lord some of y’all can write freakin novels. Okay so if I’m caught up correctly.

-every fighter has come with 2 returning Mii costumes except Hero.
-Thematically the most logical returning costumes to come with Hero would be Geno and Chocobo
-They didn’t
-So Geno is in

Why does this take so much yelling

Some of ya'll need to relax with these essays. That or just write novels instead.

... I-I like the long posts...

With love. - SirJuicius

I hope somebody get's this.

I DO!
...
... I understood that reference...

8 Geno colors? Probably the default and the 7 star colors despite how boring that would be. An edgy black and red Geno would make 8 year old me happy.

Speaking of, I made my own ideas for what his colors would be.

Spoiler: My Color Ideas

Alt 1 - Default colors, based on his character art.
Alt 2 - Baby blue alt, resembling his in-game in Super Mario RPG. Brighter blue, brown eyes and more faded orange for his hair.
Alt 3 - Purple alt, based on his poisoned palette. I made his hair a bit more brownish, thought it'd look better.
Alt 4 - Yellow alt, based on the statues in Nimbus Land. I opted for blue accents so it wouldn't look too monotonous.
Alt 5 - White alt, based on Mallow. I'm actually impressed with how well this works.
Alt 6 - Green alt, based on Bowyer. I was originally going to make this a red alt, but I was struggling to think of something/someone significant that was green to base it on.
Alt 7 - Red alt, based on Yaridovich. Not gonna lie, I really like this one.
Alt 8 - Black alt, based on Smithy. Originally, I was going to make an entirely grey alt based on the Machine Made versions of the Smithy Gang leaders, but I thought that would be too boring and opted for this.

Courage the Cowardly Dog stuff gives me life.

More of this, please.

Anyone seen this? It's really well done.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah I said that it’s possible the costume isn’t coming at all, but why shouldn’t we take the lack of it as a possible indication of Geno coming later? Yeah it’s possible that Hero was only ever meant to come with DQ costumes but it’s also possible that he wasn’t? I feel like we’re going in circles here, I feel like something is being missed. Yes, it’s possible that our theories about the Geno costume having been meant to come with Hero are wrong. It’s possible Geno is never coming ever. Cool. Lemme waltz over to Isaac and remind them that it’s possible that no AT will ever be upgraded, go to Shantae and tell them Indies will possibly never get in, go to Bandana Dee and say that it’s possible that no first party DLC is happening, and go to Bomberman to leave flowers

In the absence of hard evidence, speculation is all we have to go off of. And if we aren’t gonna speculate, then we don’t have much reason for being in a character speculation thread now do we?

Or... we could just accept we might be mistaken and move on and still hope for the best. Been doing that for a while now. It's weird too. I'm definitely a Geno supporter, yet he doesn't come to mind on my rosters. I guess I'm one of the lighter supporters?

Being realistic isn't always fun, but it is what it is. To say the least, I have no hopes for Isaac, but a little for Shantae. I don't think AT's have any real chance because they're a big gameplay part. Spirits are usually less so, with many of them only being equipped to a character, but not done via a MIi costume(I think a costume is also more damning than a Spirit). I'll repeat I think Spirits only matter for the Fighter's Pass. DLC 7 and beyond are different, though any DLC spirits should be counted out, imo. So no RE, etc. If we were to get a third Fighter's Pass, my mind changes. I don't think we're getting even 5 more characters at this point, though.

And yeah, I feel like we missed something among our conversation, so let's move on.

 

[Droodle]

Regarding the Power of Six "theory".

- DQ only having 4 costumes out of six can make sense if you argue that Square/Nintendo came up with a deal to ONLY promote DQ related stuff during Smash talks. Hero was clearly made in a way to advertise DQ 11S coming up soon in the West, and we know that both Nintendo and Square wanted to see it succeed. DQ was heavily promoted in the Feb direct, and in the E3 direct (with the DQ 11S trailer playing right after Hero's reveal at the beginning). A lot of people were assuming Hero would release in September right before DQ 11S's release and that he would be shown off near the September Direct. Instead we got a gameplay showcase at a time where none of Nintendo's announcements would overshadow it. It goes to say that Nintendo/Square went the extra mile promoting DQ. So they may have decided against putting Geno/Chocobo in order to truly make sure that the spotlight was DQ's (unlike Banjo and Sans for example).

It's just a hypothetical explanation, but I feel as though it's pretty plausible. It doesn't really state anything about Geno/Chocobo's costumes, as they are still missing (they could potentially be gone for real, but that is decently unlikely).

Personally, I don't believe the Power of Six "theory" (it's more of an educated guess). Simply because the 4 Fighters we have currently aren't a big enough sample size to be considered as a huge body of evidence. There's some holes in it, but a lot of it does make sense. I just find it easier to believe that there no huge underlying patterns behind everything Nintendo does. We don't know how they negotiate things, and it's possible that they didn't have the rights to every single costume again (it's even possible that they never even attempted to get the rights for certain costumes).

I don't buy ForsakenM's theory that they secretly had the rights to Geno since the very beginning, and that they were holding off on him for a potential season 2. It seems like a huge stretch to me, and seems like wishful thinking.

Regardless, my bets for the assumed Fighter Pass 2 is that Nintendo will continue to play it safe, and that it will follow a similar mindset in creation to this one. I'm thinking 5 Fighter's; and maybe a potential bonus costume for buying the pass.

- Fighter 6 will be a pretty hype character (99% sure) that is decently recognizable to a general audience kind of like Joker. This Fighter would bring in a decently dedicated fanbase alongside it. I think characters like Dante, Sora, and Phoenix Wright make a good amount of sense for this position.
- Fighter 7 will likely be revealed at E3 , and in my opinion will be a known series that makes a lot of sense to be included in Smash OR a big fan favorite character. I think frontrunners for this position are a Lloyd/Yuri, Ryu Hayabusa, Geno, Waluigi, Isaac, Rex & Pyra, FE3H rep, maybe an ARMS or Astral Chain character.
- Fighter 8 will be revealed at E3 and will be the same as above.
- Fighter 9 will be a decently known franchise with some sort of importance. It could be a big or a small franchise, consider this spot as a filler for almost any characters.
- Fighter 10 (no reference for who Fighter 5 is), but it could be a HUGE character or a relatively small one. Consider this as a filler.

For the bonus costume, I think there are a couple of franchises that make sense. I think frontrunners are Byleth from FE3H, Akira Howard, and maybe even Geno (unlikely but possible).

 

[OffBi]

Why are the people that come here to crap on Geno are the ones who fear him coming to smash?
Why's that?

 

[Spatulo]

Or... we could just accept we might be mistaken and move on and still hope for the best. Been doing that for a while now. It's weird too. I'm definitely a Geno supporter, yet he doesn't come to mind on my rosters. I guess I'm one of the lighter supporters?

Being realistic isn't always fun, but it is what it is. To say the least, I have no hopes for Isaac, but a little for Shantae. I don't think AT's have any real chance because they're a big gameplay part. Spirits are usually less so, with many of them only being equipped to a character, but not done via a MIi costume(I think a costume is also more damning than a Spirit). I'll repeat I think Spirits only matter for the Fighter's Pass. DLC 7 and beyond are different, though any DLC spirits should be counted out, imo. So no RE, etc. If we were to get a third Fighter's Pass, my mind changes. I don't think we're getting even 5 more characters at this point, though.

And yeah, I feel like we missed something among our conversation, so let's move on.

My innate desire to understand how people think has taken over at this point. I’ve repeated multiple times “we might be wrong”, to which you’ve responded “yeah but you might be wrong”. To which I then respond, “yeah but we might be right”, to which you’ve responded “yeah but you might be wrong”.

Should we not theorize on the grounds that our theories might be wrong? Cause that’s what makes it a theory.

 

[Giga Kaiju]

Long posts central, eh~?

Well, guys, I understand that some might not believe some of the theories going around, and believe I am up there with you, but in the end they're just that: theories.

It's not the truth and it's not what might happen in the end but there's the possibility as minimal as it, somewhere...

(Also, is either talking about off-topic things or leaks which are not approved, so pick your poison~)

.

 

[Deleted member]

Truth be told, all the DLC was super under wraps. Hero was only known because of a massive scandal and then a datamine and Banjo was known by schmos like me as far back as April because Microsoft reps spilled the beans in private and then merch sellers and Resetera mods blew the door off its hinges close to E3. This is why one of mine and Papa's contacts knowing about the Undertale stuff as far back as May and then Banjo's costumes and Terry's spirit board is so wild. How did he get this stuff? Does he live under Sakurai's bed?

Have you heard any rumors about Geno’s Mii Costume coming back?

 

[TriggerX]

Truth be told, all the DLC was super under wraps. Hero was only known because of a massive scandal and then a datamine and Banjo was known by schmos like me as far back as April because Microsoft reps spilled the beans in private and then merch sellers and Resetera mods blew the door off its hinges close to E3. This is why one of mine and Papa's contacts knowing about the Undertale stuff as far back as May and then Banjo's costumes and Terry's spirit board is so wild. How did he get this stuff? Does he live under Sakurai's bed?

Yea that is pretty interesting.
See what I find odd is that even with an official announcement from Nintendo we've gotten more lead time than this in terms of amount of time between the reveal and actual release.

Joker- Announced in Dec, released in April
Hero- Announced June, Released in July
Banjo-Announced in June, Released Sept
Terry- Announced Sept , and released Nov.

(BTW if this info is incorrect, please correct me)

We've been receiving about 2-3 months notice before an actual release. I'm assuming the pass will be finished before the end of February. That being said, the only time we've received 2 character reveals was when the release of a character was about a month away.
So that's why I'm kind of expecting some bigger reveals this time around, or at least multiple reveals. Because its just odd that Nintendo themselves has kept us in the dark for this long.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I thought banjo got leaked last October. I remember papa having a source that said banjo was happening and they also heard incinaroar. Was that guy a actual leaker or did he get lucky? Assuming you know what im talking about that is.

Yes, Papa did hear Banjo last October but a vast majority of people didn't believe him at the time. On my end, I wasn't on the "oh ****, this is actually happening" train until April when S*** talked to two Microsoft ambassadors that not only said Steve was leakbait but Banjo was all but guaranteed. My posts on the matter can be found here:

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-905#post-23244286

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-905#post-23244076

https://smashboards.com/threads/ban...dream-come-true.446558/page-514#post-23364607

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-883#post-23197978

 

[Icewolff92]

Byleth from FE3H, Akira Howard

I highly doubt that they are going to Mii Costumes. Especially Akira. If we would, I don¨t see why would haven¨t been given spirits of them like Sword and Shield, Links Awakening or DMX

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

My innate desire to understand how people think has taken over at this point. I’ve repeated multiple times “we might be wrong”, to which you’ve responded “yeah but you might be wrong”. To which I then respond, “yeah but we might be right”, to which you’ve responded “yeah but you might be wrong”.

Yes, this is why I'm trying to move on. I cannot actually process the paragraphs well, have made multiple typos because I'm very exhausted, and just got off of a near weak-long work schedule. I'm mentally exhausted too.

Don't really care about the other thing you said cause it has nothing to do with me in the long run. I can't tell people to stop posting theories. There's nothing wrong with that. Being overly stubborn about one's thing is not needed, but unless it causes enough of an issue to make a report, it's not honestly a problem. Enough people can poke holes in a theory where it doesn't matter. You poked a pretty reasonable one in why the DQ thing doesn't seem to make much sense. I really have no response to that, admittedly. Who knows. I just don't think there is a real pattern to begin with, but that's not a convincing argument. I was so exhausted I lashed out a bit with my first sentence. Once again, apologies for that. That was uncalled for to begin with.

Moving on, I heard we were talking about costume colors? I'd love a color directly referencing Pinnochio.