Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[RetrogamerMax]

Imagine a geno reveal in the style of k rool, except it's plant wearing the mii costume.

Wouldn't it make more sense for the Mii Gunner or Megaman to be Geno's fakeout?

 

[Firox]

So, something real quick, I appreciate the hell out of all of you. This isn't spurred by anything that's happened (or alcohol or depression or my meds because you all know me pretty well at this point) but the fact that a lot of us here have been around for like a year and a half, taking good news and bad news together as a community, is honestly great. I've known some of you for only a few months and some of you literally half my life but I'm happy I can call this community "home" and keep coming back here day after day. Your ongoing companionship is a comfort and honestly a small joy in my life that I wouldn't trade for anything. I hope we don't have to wait too much longer for Geno but, either way, I'm thankful for and appreciative of the Geno fanbase.

I've been a Geno supporter since at least Brawl and an active member of this thread for about a year, and I gotta say, rain or shine, love or hate, harmony or discord, I can't deny that this has been a blast. I've learned a lot from you guys and I really appreciate all of your contributions, Fatman. There's nothing more invigorating than a group of people united for a common goal. Long live our star boi!

 

[Rohanx17]

Wouldn't it make more sense for the Mii Gunner or Megaman to be Geno's fakeout?

The geno costume definently. If they hold out for a bit I might actually believe it's real

 

[Deleted member]

I’d say that Slayer is a good TGA sort of reveal. Well-known character, most might assume he’d never get into Smash, has a big upcoming game that the trailer could be initially disguised as being for... it lines up, I’d say.

As for the code thing, I assumed that was what Fatman was referring to with his “setting the table” thing from a while back.

I think that's what he meant by "setting the table" as well, I just think he's misinformed on that.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Well guys, I have to go to work in several hours so I'm hitting the hay. Peace guys.

 

[ForsakenM]

Yeah, it would be cruel for Geno to be an upgraded Mii costume after so much, but it's totally possible. Remember, people thought both Isaac/Shadow would be playable in the base game because they had so much evidence going for them too, but they waited all the way till the end to reveal them as Assist Trophies.

Also both Lloyd and Heihachi are missing their Mii costumes, but I doubt both of them will be post-pass characters. I've stated this before but I think Yuri will come with both Lloyd and Heihachi Mii costumes, as well as a KOS-MOS (?) Mii Costume.

No offense to Isaac and Shadow fans, cuz I want almost everyone to get the character they love, but frankly you were all overhyped. The only thing I would say that had much weight for Golden Sun in Smash was the returning music and what we thought was a symbol from the game somehow as an item but actually ended up being different. Shadow never had anything other than 'Echo Fighters exist' but they existed by different names in previous games and it was likely Joker was either already talked about or was already selected by this point (not that we knew that then, of course).

None of these things were huge though, just returning content that gave light to the slightest and slimmest possibility. That and they took so long to reveal the remaining ATs, but that was just a lack of communication and understanding expectations.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Wouldn't it make more sense for the Mii Gunner or Megaman to be Geno's fakeout?

I think the plant trolling thing kinda fits in a meta context, wherein he wasn't the Mario character people expected to be revealed

 

[Droodle]

No offense to Isaac and Shadow fans, cuz I want almost everyone to get the character they love, but frankly you were all overhyped. The only thing I would say that had much weight for Golden Sun in Smash was the returning music and what we thought was a symbol from the game somehow as an item but actually ended up being different. Shadow never had anything other than 'Echo Fighters exist' but they existed by different names in previous games and it was likely Joker was either already talked about or was already selected by this point (not that we knew that then, of course).

None of these things were huge though, just returning content that gave light to the slightest and slimmest possibility. That and they took so long to reveal the remaining ATs, but that was just a lack of communication and understanding expectations.

Yeah, but all I'm saying is that the exact same thing is possible for Geno. All we know is that a Mallow Mii costume is probably in the works. It's totally possible Sakurai decides to release Geno as an upgraded Mii costume along with Mallow rather than a playable character.

 

[Grumbo]

I really wanna see Ridley, K Rool, and Banjo in his trailer. Seeing all the big Boomer requests together would be incredible

 

[UberPyro64]

(if the above quote makes no sense in context with my reply, check the original message, the formatting messed up since they quoted themselves)

He’s #1 when it comes to Capcom characters, which is far more relevant in this scenario.

Like, for example, let’s consider Lloyd Irving. Lloyd is far, far from the most popular Bandai-Namco character in general right now(besides Pac-Man, who’s already in), with that honor most likely going to Chosen Undead, or for a named character, Solaire. Lloyd isn’t exactly guaranteed next in line, either, between competition like Agumon, the Prince of All Cosmos, Heihachi, and even Dig-Dug. When it comes to fan polls, he’s made generally worse showings than Phoenix across the board.

However, despite all that? A huge amount of people here consider him as the #1 candidate for the next Namco rep, including myself. Why? Because he’s had that specific history with Smash, being a known request for quite a while, and this absolutely does seem like the time where all of these big requests are being fulfilled. There are many requests more popular than Lloyd(Geno, Sora, Crash, Isaac, Shantae, and Doomguy, to name some recent ones) but there are no Namco requests larger than Lloyd, nor are there any Capcom requests larger than Phoenix.

I know that this isn’t exactly the best metric for this kind of thing, but it’s super-easy to track so I’m going to use it here as an example: Character support threads. Right now, Lloyd, the character that most(again, including me, regardless of what I’ve been saying this week about his FP5 chances I consider him practically inevitable for post-pass) consider as the most likely next Namco rep, is sitting quite well at 1,152 posts for Ultimate over two threads. Phoenix, on the other hand... is sitting at 2,663.

When you combine the threads of all four other Capcom reps in contention here(Leon, Jill, Dante, and Chris for good measure) you get... 901. Adding Ameratsu and MH to that total, you get... 1,201. Alright, how about we instead add literally every Capcom character that I could find an Ultimate character thread for besides Phoenix, and- oh. 1,404.

Yeah... when it comes to big Ultimate requests for Capcom characters, there’s really no one larger than Phoenix.

Smashboards support thread numbers don't mean much, otherwise, Isaac, Bandana Dee, and Dixie Kong would be in by now without question. And none of them are.
My previous point still stands. Phoenix doesn't have the support for Sakurai to notice. He's not Ridley/K. Rool/Banjo/Geno level of support. The hugeness of Resident Evil and Devil May Cry are too much to ignore. Adding their fanbases to Smash would be a bigger deal. And their movesets could be just as fun, if not more so.

But your points are still heard. But again, I can't fathom the idea that Phoenix would get in before a Resident Evil rep or Dante. Unless Sakurai just really can't think of a good RE moveset I guess. But people have had lots of ideas. Again Phoenix Wright is still deserving. it's just the order we're arguing about.

 

[RingJ5]

Lol You call that the most underwhelming double reveal possible??!!

A) Getting Doomslayer would still be hype as hell
B) Hearing the words "Geno is coming" out of the mouths of Doug Bowser or Sakurai himself are as good as a reveal to me
C) Imagine not getting ANY reveal trailer and having Doug Bowser simply say, "Goomba is fighter #5, Geno, Sora, Doomslayer, Crash, Phoenix Wright, Spyro and Shantae are all Mii costumes and Igglybuff is fighter#6. Good night and go **** yourselves, the end." THAT, sir, is the most underwhelming double reveal possible.

I said that it would still be totally hype for us specifically, but in general that would be a very weird way to drop #6, but one that I could see happening if for whatever reason they really wanted to drop both at the TGAs.

Yeah, it would be cruel for Geno to be an upgraded Mii costume after so much, but it's totally possible. Remember, people thought both Isaac/Shadow would be playable in the base game because they had so much evidence going for them too, but they waited all the way till the end to reveal them as Assist Trophies.

Also both Lloyd and Heihachi are missing their Mii costumes, but I doubt both of them will be post-pass characters. I've stated this before but I think Yuri will come with both Lloyd and Heihachi Mii costumes, as well as a KOS-MOS (?) Mii Costume.

Isaac and Shadow at least aren’t being dragged out for a full extra year since the game came out. If Geno is a returning costume, then the time to drop the Square costumes was with the Enix ones, it would even have perfectly matched up with how Joker’s were released. Instead, they’re still suspiciously absent even three months and two waves later, leaving speculation to go absolutely wild again.

Hm, that makes me wonder... could the decision to make Geno a full character have happened during that time? Every costume wave so far has had exactly two returning costumes(something that would incidentally explain why the Heihachi costume didn’t appear, as Akira and Jacky already took both slots for that wave), with the notable exception of that one, which makes the least sense as Square literally had exactly two returning costumes ready to go.

Something could definitely have happened right around that time to give Sakurai the go-ahead to finally make him a character, especially considering the whole “nine-month development time” thing lining up perfectly from July to the likely release schedule of Spring of next year. Having only the Chocobo hat return would look quite suspicious in comparison, so my guess is they simply decided to forgo returning costumes for that wave entirely... which I guess moved the needle a bit from “impossibly suspicious” to “extremely suspicious”.

Smashboards support thread numbers don't mean much, otherwise, Isaac, Bandana Dee, and Dixie Kong would be in by now without question. And none of them are.
My previous point still stands. Phoenix doesn't have the support for Sakurai to notice. He's not Ridley/K. Rool/Banjo/Geno level of support. The hugeness of Resident Evil and Devil May Cry are too much to ignore. Adding their fanbases to Smash would be a bigger deal. And their movesets could be just as fun, if not more so.

But your points are still heard. But again, I can't fathom the idea that Phoenix would get in before a Resident Evil rep or Dante.

Basically, to keep this short because I don’t want to spiral this into a multi-page argument again, think of it this way:

Isaac, BWD, and Dixie Kong are all absolutely huge fan frontrunners... for first-party characters, which hasn’t been a thing for DLC yet. In base game, they just finally gave us Ridley and K. Rool, who are without a doubt larger requests then those three. While those three are certainly next in line for first-party fan requests(along with Waluigi), third-party is certainly a very different subset of characters with far different rights involved.

And while RE and Dante might certainly be overall more popular, if Sakurai were to ask someone on his team to look into the most frequent Capcom request, you can absolutely bet that neither franchise would come anywhere close.

I’m not particularly saying that it’s impossible that RE or DMC happens, I’m saying that dismissing the giant spiky-haired elephant in the room as unlikely out of personal preference might not be the best idea when said elephant has many times more relevance in the one particular metric that appears to matter the most with this DLC.

 

[Fatmanonice]

So, a lot of people ask me about my confidence in Geno and one aspect I don't think I've talked about concerning the "list" is the nature of it. If you want to ignore the rest of this post, here's the takeaway: more people would be upset with the names not on it than that are and Ryu is the most "controversial" one if that tells you anything. It's pretty fanservicey and I think that's the entire point of the post-pass characters. The Fighter's Pass had mostly been about Sakurai's choices and celebrating video game history while most of the hypothetical post Fighter Pass characters are the equivalent of drunk online shopping at 3 in the morning with a credit card.

 

[Firox]

Smashboards support thread numbers don't mean much, otherwise, Isaac, Bandana Dee, and Dixie Kong would be in by now without question. And none of them are.
My previous point still stands. Phoenix doesn't have the support for Sakurai to notice. He's not Ridley/K. Rool/Banjo/Geno level of support. The hugeness of Resident Evil and Devil May Cry are too much to ignore. Adding their fanbases to Smash would be a bigger deal. And their movesets could be just as fun, if not more so.

But your points are still heard. But again, I can't fathom the idea that Phoenix would get in before a Resident Evil rep or Dante.

I could see Dante potentially getting in, but I agree that Phoenix doesn't have a lot of visibility and I'm not sure Resident Evil would provide enough moveset uniqueness to catch Sakurai's fancy. Frankly, I think any normal human with a gun isn't going to get any serious attention, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Rikarte]

My friend just sent me this shirt. I'm very, very tempted...

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[SkeffVEVO]

So, a lot of people ask me about my confidence in Geno and one aspect I don't think I've talked about concerning the "list" is the nature of it. If you want to ignore the rest of this post, here's the takeaway: more people would be upset with the names not on it than that are and Ryu is the most "controversial" one if that tells you anything. It's pretty fanservicey and I think that's the entire point of the post-pass characters. The Fighter's Pass had mostly been about Sakurai's choices and celebrating video game history while most of the hypothetical post Fighter Pass characters are the equivalent of drunk online shopping at 3 in the morning with a credit card.

I like this news.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

My friend just sent me this shirt. I'm very, very tempted...

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Do it! Do it now!

 

[SSGuy]

What if instead of a character reveal at the TGA, they announce the date of the next Smash Direct and they it's a big presentation.

 

[Firox]

most of the hypothetical post Fighter Pass characters are the equivalent of drunk online shopping at 3 in the morning with a credit card.

This makes me really, really happy.....I LOVE drunk online shopping at ANY TIME!

What if instead of a character reveal at the TGA, they announce the date of the next Smash Direct and they it's a big presentation.

If they announce a Smash Direct, we find out that it's 30 minutes or longer, and I see so much as a hint of guns, demons, or blue cape in the trailer, I am going to lose my **** like never before.

 

[Droodle]

(if the above quote makes no sense in context with my reply, check the original message, the formatting messed up since they quoted themselves)

He’s #1 when it comes to Capcom characters, which is far more relevant in this scenario.

Like, for example, let’s consider Lloyd Irving. Lloyd is far, far from the most popular Bandai-Namco character in general right now(besides Pac-Man, who’s already in), with that honor most likely going to Chosen Undead, or for a named character, Solaire. Lloyd isn’t exactly guaranteed next in line, either, between competition like Agumon, the Prince of All Cosmos, Heihachi, and even Dig-Dug. When it comes to fan polls, he’s made generally worse showings than Phoenix across the board.

However, despite all that? A huge amount of people here consider him as the #1 candidate for the next Namco rep, including myself. Why? Because he’s had that specific history with Smash, being a known request for quite a while, and this absolutely does seem like the time where all of these big requests are being fulfilled. There are many requests more popular than Lloyd(Geno, Sora, Crash, Isaac, Shantae, and Doomguy, to name some recent ones) but there are no Namco requests larger than Lloyd, nor are there any Capcom requests larger than Phoenix.

I know that this isn’t exactly the best metric for this kind of thing, but it’s super-easy to track so I’m going to use it here as an example: Character support threads. Right now, Lloyd, the character that most(again, including me, regardless of what I’ve been saying this week about his FP5 chances I consider him practically inevitable for post-pass) consider as the most likely next Namco rep, is sitting quite well at 1,152 posts for Ultimate over two threads. Phoenix, on the other hand... is sitting at 2,663.

When you combine the threads of all four other Capcom reps in contention here(Leon, Jill, Dante, and Chris for good measure) you get... 901. Adding Ameratsu and MH to that total, you get... 1,201. Alright, how about we instead add literally every Capcom character that I could find an Ultimate character thread for besides Phoenix, and- oh. 1,404.

Yeah... when it comes to big Ultimate requests for Capcom characters, there’s really no one larger than Phoenix.

I agree that Lloyd is the most popular requested Namco character WITHIN the Smash fanbase, but I would say he has plenty of competition from within his own series. Both Yuri and Velvet come from more recent games, and are WAY more popular within the Tales fanbase compared to Lloyd.

Yuri in particular is seen as they "face" of Tales in the same regard as Cloud in FF. If Sakurai were to add a Tales character it would be Yuri rather than Lloyd.

And thats not even counting other popular characters like Heihachi, Jin, KOS-MOS, and Nightmare.

Quote me on this, I will buy all the Mii costumes in Smash Ultimate if we end up getting Lloyd before Yuri.

 

[T2by4]

So, a lot of people ask me about my confidence in Geno and one aspect I don't think I've talked about concerning the "list" is the nature of it. If you want to ignore the rest of this post, here's the takeaway: more people would be upset with the names not on it than that are and Ryu is the most "controversial" one if that tells you anything. It's pretty fanservicey and I think that's the entire point of the post-pass characters. The Fighter's Pass had mostly been about Sakurai's choices and celebrating video game history while most of the hypothetical post Fighter Pass characters are the equivalent of drunk online shopping at 3 in the morning with a credit card.

That's interesting. I know Geno is one of the big names that's going around according to you and if what you say is true, are there any other characters in smash that are on that list? What I mean is that Geno is technically already in the game, but fans still demand to see him as a playable fighter. Out of that list, are there any other names that are already in smash in some way?

 

[MisterMike]

So, a lot of people ask me about my confidence in Geno and one aspect I don't think I've talked about concerning the "list" is the nature of it. If you want to ignore the rest of this post, here's the takeaway: more people would be upset with the names not on it than that are and Ryu is the most "controversial" one if that tells you anything. It's pretty fanservicey and I think that's the entire point of the post-pass characters. The Fighter's Pass had mostly been about Sakurai's choices and celebrating video game history while most of the hypothetical post Fighter Pass characters are the equivalent of drunk online shopping at 3 in the morning with a credit card.

Well that's certainly reassuring. Can't wait for Doomguy, Geno & Crash to come to Smash then!

My friend just sent me this shirt. I'm very, very tempted...

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Heh, I always thought Geno kind of looked like a nutcracker...

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Smashboards support thread numbers don't mean much, otherwise, Isaac, Bandana Dee, and Dixie Kong would be in by now without question. And none of them are.
My previous point still stands. Phoenix doesn't have the support for Sakurai to notice. He's not Ridley/K. Rool/Banjo/Geno level of support. The hugeness of Resident Evil and Devil May Cry are too much to ignore. Adding their fanbases to Smash would be a bigger deal. And their movesets could be just as fun, if not more so.

But your points are still heard. But again, I can't fathom the idea that Phoenix would get in before a Resident Evil rep or Dante. Unless Sakurai just really can't think of a good RE moveset I guess. But people have had lots of ideas.

As much as I want a RE rep and Dante, that point is completely irrelevant now, he literally outright stated that the moveset being fun is the number one priority when choosing a character, and not recognizability

 

[UberPyro64]

I'd say the most deserving franchises are Ninja Gaiden,

As much as I want a RE rep and Dante, that point is completely irrelevant now, he literally outright stated that the moveset being fun is the number one priority when choosing a character, and not recognizability

Sure, but the moveset can be fun for literally any fighter. This point doesn't make a whole lot of sense imo.

But let's be real here, Dante would be incredibly fun.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

That's interesting. I know Geno is one of the big names that's going around according to you and if what you say is true, are there any other characters in smash that are on that list? What I mean is that Geno is technically already in the game, but fans still demand to see him as a playable fighter. Out of that list, are there any other names that are already in smash in some way?

"say the line, fatman"

 

[StarLight42]

Im sorry bros...

 

[Firox]

"say the line, fatman"

"I'm not allow to say anything, so when it comes to Geno, he definitely isn't going to not appear on the purely hypothetical list that doesn't not represent who we think we know is certainly not necessarily for sure going to be in the game...."

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Im sorry bros...

You do love jumping to conclusions, don't you? Regardless of if the mii costume leak is fake, it doesn't affect our chances much. And we still don't have full confirmation of it's fakeness

 

[StarLight42]

You do love jumping to conclusions, don't you? Regardless of if the mii costume leak is fake, it doesn't affect our chances much. And we still don't have full confirmation of it's fakeness

I'm not jumping to any conclusions, a lot of this thread was riding on the Mii leak being real, and it seems like it probably isn't. I know Geno still has a shot regardless.

 

[Rikarte]

Im sorry bros...

Yeah, been lowkey expecting this. We still have the Mii costume list from July as support for his inclusion though, do we?

 

[Firox]

You do love jumping to conclusions, don't you? Regardless of if the mii costume leak is fake, it doesn't affect our chances much. And we still don't have full confirmation of it's fakeness

Exactly. An important thing to remember is that Sabi is not an omniscient being and her word alone isn't "proof" of the leak being fake. What proof does she offer to back the claim? If a modder has come forward, reproduce the video with commentary etc.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Im sorry bros...

How? Why? Why do people do this?

 

[xpnc]

Im sorry bros...

"Most likely"

Would be nice to have some actual confirmation and an explanation for how this was possible if it actually is fake

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

I'm not jumping to any conclusions, a lot of this thread was riding on the Mii leak being real, and it seems like it probably isn't. I know Geno still has a shot regardless.

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You're assuming the worst when we don't have all the evidence. I'm honestly not bothered if it turns out fake anyway. We still have the mii costume list and the lack of geno costume yet going for us. Let's all take a breather and see how this plays out.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

It would be nice to have actual evidence over here say.

 

[StarLight42]

You're assuming the worst when we don't have all the evidence. I'm honestly not bothered if it turns out fake anyway. We still have the mii costume list and the lack of geno costume yet going for us. Let's all take a breather and see how this plays out.

I'm not assuming the worst for anything. This is why I hate being the bearer of bad news. You get crapped on for things you don't even say.

I KNOW GENO STILL HAS A GOOD SHOT.

He's right where he was before the Mii leak.

Saying "i'm sorry bros" is the most vaguest thing ever. It's not like i'm saying "omg Geno deconfirmed never coming to Smash" sheesh

 

[ForsakenM]

I'm not assuming the worst for anything. This is why I hate being the bearer of bad news. You get crapped on for things you don't even say.

I KNOW GENO STILL HAS A GOOD SHOT.

He's right where he was before the Mii leak.

Saying "i'm sorry bros" is the most vaguest thing ever. It's not like i'm saying "omg Geno deconfirmed never coming to Smash" sheesh

So...uhhh...

Where is the evidence that it was faked?

Did I miss something? Because I don't see anything. Seems like we are still at where we were a couple days ago.

 

[Spatulo]

Hey everyone, I’ve been lurking on this thread since like June following the rumors and speculation and whatnot and with the end times seemingly soon to be upon us I figured I’d finally make an account and join in while I still can. I’ve been a Geno supporter since the Brawl speculation days, he was never my number 1 pick (I didn’t fully play through SMRPG until it came out on virtual console, though I rented it a few times as a kid and thought Geno was Mega Man), but the sheer passion of his fans and his awesome design won me over, plus I see getting him in as a win for all the Mario RPG series. My last major requested characters that aren’t in or doomed to Assist Trophy status are Geno, Doomguy, and Ryu Hayabusa, so you could say the recent speculation has been exciting for me. Also, not to get too personal, but recent stuff in my personal life has hit me pretty hard, but following the speculation here has been a nice escape that’s helped me a lot. So I just wanna say thanks to all of you, and let’s get our puppet boy in!

 

[T2by4]

Yeah, I'm gonna need the carfax on why it's fake. I'm still on team real until proven otherwise. It looks far too good to be fake. Gonna need some explanation to be swayed otherwise.

 

[Firox]

Again, what evidence is Sabi using to draw the conclusion of "likely fake". Firstly, "likely fake" implies that she still doesn't know for sure which seriously brings her source into question. Secondly, if she doesn't know, I question the point and intelligence of even stating such a claim when most people are already skeptical of the leak anyway. Heck, 70% of reddit could have told you that the leak is "likely fake" but without solid evidence, it's just more hearsay.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

I'm not assuming the worst for anything. This is why I hate being the bearer of bad news. You get crapped on for things you don't even say.

I KNOW GENO STILL HAS A GOOD SHOT.

He's right where he was before the Mii leak.

Saying "i'm sorry bros" is the most vaguest thing ever. It's not like i'm saying "omg Geno deconfirmed never coming to Smash" sheesh

Fair point. I'm not trying to attack you. I'll let it drop. For now, let's see how things go