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Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

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Okay! Bold prediction time! The Mii hats are real, Doom Guy is Fighter #75 to end the Fighters pass and Geno is Fighter #76 to kick off the additional DLC!
 

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Honestly cannot even fathom how long it would take for this to be done. They'd have to create these models from scratch and somehow be able to mod in everything, a process that is not easy apparently. I know it's a possibility, but it's hard to imagine dedicating so much time to pull some s****y joke. Yeah, that's what the Grinch leak thrived on (and I'm still in awe of the lengths that people will go to cause chaos), but it's all just so strange. Like if you could do that much, surely you've got talent and could get some high paying job instead of just looking for internet points, but I digress. Just goes to show how far some people will go for a joke.
 
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Honestly cannot even fathom how long it would take for this to be done. They'd have to create these models from scratch and somehow be able to mod in everything, a process that is not easy apparently. I know it's a possibility, but it's hard to imagine dedicating so much time to pull some s****y joke. Yeah, that's what the Grinch leak thrived on (and I'm still in awe of the lengths that people will go to cause chaos), but it's all just so strange. Like if you could do that much, surely you've got talent and could get some high paying job instead of just looking for internet points, but I digress. Just goes to show how far some people will go for a joke.
Maybe they have a high paying job and look for internet points.

You'd be surprised how much free time some people in well paying IT positions have.
 

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To recap:

What we know-

1. Geno is a hugely requested character since Brawl. Sakurai has said in the past that he wanted to include him.
2. Nintendo issued a takedown of two SMRPG music tracks (Beware the Forest Mushrooms and the Boss Battle Theme) a few months ago. They also did this with Megalovania and possibly a Spiral Mountain track before those two were revealed.
3. Geno and Mallow spirits were included in the base game due to fan demand.
4. At least one "leak" has mentioned a Mallow costume lately. The other mentioned costume was Smithy.
5. Nintendo and Bethesda (owners of Doom) have talked in the past regarding Smash.
6. Smash Ultimate modding is not at the point where Mii costumes are easy to customize. Color swapping is doable, but if the file size is larger than the game expects it to be, the game will crash.

What this could mean-

1. If this is real, we have Mallow and probably another SMRPG costume coming to Smash with a music track each. That doesn't mean that's ALL, but that's all we've seen evidence/"leaks" for.
2. This second costume could be the return of Geno, or the aforementioned Smithy costume.
3. Just because we're seeing Mallow and Cacodemon DOES NOT MEAN that's all the content from those games being included. There could be a Doom Slayer helmet and armor set that wasn't shown, for instance.
4. There is only one slot in this Fighter Pack, meaning both Geno AND Doom Slayer are unlikely.
5. It's very possible that neither Geno NOR Doom Slayer are playable and Mii Costumes are all the representation those games are getting.

Anything else? I'm just trying to be fair in my assessment here.
 

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Not sure how much you can say but is there a consensus on whether it seems like these costumes are going to be released with Terry or more down the line?
Later. I will be genuinely surprised if these come with Terry. All signs right now point to some kind of debug/Beta test, especially with certain choices made like the stage. Unfortunately, we don't have information on when this was recorded but, like the Ken leak, my guess is it came from a beta tester that hasn't worked for Nintendo for like a month or two so it would be a lot harder to narrow down who leaked it.
 
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Later. I will be genuinely surprised if these come with Terry. All signs right now point to some kind of debug/Beta test, especially with certain choices made like the stage. Unfortunately, we don't have information on when this was recorded but, like the Ken leak, my guess is it came from a beta tester that hasn't worked for Nintendo for like a month or two so it would be a lot harder to narrow down who leaked it.
Whenever stuff like Ken or this leak happen, I tend to think it might be a beta tester or something, but when you're trying to run as tight a ship as possible, it seems like a huge liability to have temp workers be your beta testers. I'd think they have the testers on the payroll doing something else.
 

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I really hope a credible leaker deems this proof enough to confirm a character, like what happened with Terry and the SNK copyright shenanigans.
 

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Whenever stuff like Ken or this leak happen, I tend to think it might be a beta tester or something, but when you're trying to run as tight a ship as possible, it seems like a huge liability to have temp workers be your beta testers. I'd think they have the testers on the payroll doing something else.
You'd think but supposedly the pay is crap and the work conditions are kind of awful so beta testers are notorious for giving negative ****s about leaking things. Sabi's NoA source estimated that dev leaks probably count for more than half of legitimate leaks with most of the remainder being lucky schlubs who usually just wind up incriminating themselves anyways by careless mistakes.
 

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I woke up this morning see the thread on fire, and it has been a rollercoaster all day. I'm watching things unfold from work right now, so I can't chip in or get heavily involved with the conversation, BUT, I wanted to at least lend my own thoughts real quick, and toss my hat into the ring of #TeamReal.

Whether it's real or not, however, this is all still very exciting, and I'm glad to be a part of it! Fingers crossed! :ultduckhunt:
 

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Honestly cannot even fathom how long it would take for this to be done. They'd have to create these models from scratch and somehow be able to mod in everything, a process that is not easy apparently. I know it's a possibility, but it's hard to imagine dedicating so much time to pull some s****y joke. Yeah, that's what the Grinch leak thrived on (and I'm still in awe of the lengths that people will go to cause chaos), but it's all just so strange. Like if you could do that much, surely you've got talent and could get some high paying job instead of just looking for internet points, but I digress. Just goes to show how far some people will go for a joke.
It's not if the models are real or not, it is whether or not Geno is a Mii Costume that people are keeping hidden from us. That is what I am most concerned about. It seems so possible that this is finally our moment, but I would be a bit upset if we only get the costume out of this.
 
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I haven't seen this talked about yet and someone needs too. If geno actually makes it in spirit deconfirmation is 100% dead baby!

Let the new age of speculation begin! :laugh:
 
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So throughout Ultimate's DLC cycle, I went from

Geno's dead -> Erdrick didn't come with the Geno costume but still unlikely -> The second wave of DLC opens up the way for Geno to make it in -> The Crash/Mii Costume leaker from Papagenos is something to keep an eye on -> Holy **** he might actually be in for once.

Like y'all were there. Y'all knew I pretty much thought Geno wasn't happening. This **** is crazy.
 
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I'm still shaky about Geno right now, I hope that we can take this leak at face value but I think it's equally possible that the Mallow hat releases right alongside the Geno costume. While it would heavily imply that we get Doomguy and Geno, I think Geno is on far shakier ground.

That being said, I've been confident about Geno having some presence for a while now. Nintendo themselves copyright struck both Beware the Forest Mushrooms and Armed Boss a few months ago, and if we take the span of time that it took after the Banjo fan arrangement and Megalovania Smash uploads got taken down (approximately 6 months), Geno would show up sometime around January or February. Which, of course, taking this leak into account, lines up fairly well. Could be bundled with a mii costume or a character, but I'm confident that some form of Geno is happening and bringing a couple songs with him.
 

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Oh shoot, it's happening again...I come back to like 10+ pages and I'd seen the PapaGenos video. Please let this be real.
 

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People like to bring up the Grinch Leak, but that was just art and some smart thinking for a plan in the end.

This is frickin huge-brain coding based on what modders have said.
 

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A Geno Mii Costume and a Mallow one? Doubtful. Something tells me the magnitude of Geno's demand would lend to him being the only SMRPG costume, if he were one.

Mallow is here to compliment a fighter, baby. And it sure as hell ain't Doom Guy.
 

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I haven't seen this talked about yet and someone needs too. If geno actually makes it in spirit deconfirmation is 100% dead baby!
If anything, I want Geno to be playable in order to shatter this silly argument. I've never believed Spirits to be a 100% total deconfirmation. I think it was just more of a circumstantial thing that it just so happened that certain characters who weren't fighters ended up getting Spirits. Hopefully, this will be yet another weird rule that gets overturned with a bang. :ultduckhunt:
 

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A Geno Mii Costume and a Mallow one? Doubtful. Something tells me the magnitude of Geno's demand would lend to him being the only SMRPG costume, if he were one.

Mallow is here to compliment a fighter, baby. And it sure as hell ain't Doom Guy.
Unless the Geno costume is a port + upgrade to Smash 4, freeing up time for them to make an accompanying Mallow costume.
 

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A Geno Mii Costume and a Mallow one? Doubtful. Something tells me the magnitude of Geno's demand would lend to him being the only SMRPG costume, if he were one.

Mallow is here to compliment a fighter, baby. And it sure as hell ain't Doom Guy.

Agreed. Plus if the mii list is true we should get a smithy outfit. So bring Geno outfit back is a little less likely.
 

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A Geno Mii Costume and a Mallow one? Doubtful. Something tells me the magnitude of Geno's demand would lend to him being the only SMRPG costume, if he were one.

Mallow is here to compliment a fighter, baby. And it sure as hell ain't Doom Guy.
Hey you don't know what Mallow does in his free time. For all we know he goes off with his BFF Doomguy and kills some Demons.
 
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Wow if both go through smash speculation is going to be a totally different place. 2 notable fan rules will be crushed. No western characters without eastern appeal and of course no spirits! I expect many characters to skyrocket in activity of this, shantae, BWD, rayman, spyro, valve reps and plenty of others. Now all we need is a trophy promotion and literally anything is fair game.
 
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Don't forget that Chocobo hat returning is something that has been noted, as well. That's three Square outfits, one returning and two from SMRPG, that are likely coming, still with no sign of Geno's to be found.

I don't see those three outfits dropping with Terry. Character 5, maybe, but it'd likely just be a place to dump them if post-pass DLC won't come with more Mii costumes (which is where I'd imagine Geno would be anyway).
 
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Don't forget that Chocobo hat returning is something that has been noted, as well. That's three Square outfits, one returning and two from SMRPG, that are likely coming, still with no sign of Geno's to be found.

I don't see those three outfits dropping with Terry. Character 5, maybe, but it'd likely just be a place to dump them if post-pass DLC won't come with more Mii costumes (which is where I'd imagine Geno would be anyway).
Y'know, Hero came with 4 costumes... Kinda weird to throw Chocobo in there when Mario RPG is ripe with characters to turn into costumes, but hey, playable Geno and they could include the Poo Emoji as a mii costume with him and I wouldn't be complaining.
 

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Doubtful. Something tells me the magnitude of Geno's demand would lend to him being the only SMRPG costume, if he were one.

Mallow is here to compliment a fighter, baby. And it sure as hell ain't Doom Guy.
It seems that way, but Smithy costume makes me think we may get a triple pack at best. Geno Gunner, Mallow Brawler and Smithy/Exor as Swordfighter

I just hope it wasn't a repeat of Smash 4 where it was the best Sakurai could do for us. Even though I'm still thankful regardless of what happens, I just really hope we finally break thru.
 
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It seems that way, but Smithy costume makes me think we may get a triple pack at best. Geno Gunner, Mallow Brawler and Smithy/Exor as Swordfighter

I just hope it wasn't a repeat of Smash 4 where it was the best Sakurai could do for us. Even though I'm still thankful regardless of what happens, I just really hope we finally break thru.
Mallow's just a hat, though. IMO the curse of "Gunner/Swordsman/Brawler" is broken.
 

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With how few leaks we've gotten, I imagine there's some degree of separation of what certain teams see or have access to. It could be that there's a team who make and test the Mii costumes and have absolutely no access to the fighters.
In fact, to further back this idea, they likely relegate the less sensitive content (ie. Mii costumes) to the more junior staff. It makes sense that only the more trivial stuff like costumes could be leaked in the first place. Sakurai himself is likely at the helm of New character/stage development and I don't think those immediately around him would try to pull something like this.
 

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Some good points are made, it is entirely possible that these Mallow & Cacodemon costumes were being made ahead of time and will be released later on (we'll know soon enough). However, I will say just because we didn't see Geno & Doomguy Mii Costume doesn't mean they don't exist. I made a vow to never take the absence of a character/product to be an indicator of a character getting in (I got burned super hard with Shadow how we started having third party echo fighters, Knuckles coming in as an Assist Trophy, and fact that he is one of the easiest Assist Trophy to make since all he does is stand still slow down time just like the Timer item so it was surprising to see him gone for a long time). There's a possibility that they do actually exist, all we got to work with is that video.
Good point, but I think it's a bit different with regards to Geno's costume. If Geno's costume and the Mallow hat were ready around July, why wouldn't they just release them both during Hero's presentation alongside the other SquareEnix costumes? They're all owned by the same company, so it would make sense, but they weren't. Not only that, but every single leak/credible rumor we've had that had to do with SMRPG stuff has consistently left out any mention of Geno or his costume. Geno's costume is (no pun intended) old hat, it's nothing new, so why the hell has old costume not been discovered by now when, realistically speaking, we should've heard about it by now?
PapaGeno's source listed Mallow/Smithy, no Geno.
This leaked video has Mallow Hat, no Geno.
Like, am I supposed to believe that all of these insiders/leakers are all trying to hide the Geno costume in tandem? Am I to assume every one of these insiders/leakers are doing the same troll at the same damn time? Chrom or Shadow being absent in promotional material is one thing, but this? This goes way beyond mere coincidence, if you ask me.
For the Doomguy counter point I will say that we got Mii Costumes from series that haven't been represented in Smash Bros before, like Goemon, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, and Monster Hunter to name a few. Sure, they all came from companies that already had involvement with Smash Bros, but we also have Rayman as a Spirit and Yuri Kozukata as an Assist Trophy despite the fact that Ubisoft & Koei Tecmo don't have a character represented in Smash Bros at all. So what's so crazy about them including Mii Costumes of the Doom series without a playable character? It's entirely possible that they would go out of their way to contact Bethesda for something like this.
Becuase that would mean that Nintendo took the time to go out to Bethesda, an american company, to negotiate DLC content for Smash, and either Nintendo or Bethesda decided that all they wanted/were willing to provide, was a Doomguy Costume and a Cacodemon Hat.
With regards to Nintendo, why would you go out of your way to negotiate with a foreign company and NOT want to get a playable character out of them? Sure, they've done that with Wayforward and Ubisoft, but that was only for spirits, which was probably all they could include at the time. Recall that Sakurai has stated that he mostly never deviates from the project plan when he's finished it.

So when time came to negotiate with Ubisoft or Wayforward, they couldn't get their characters in as fighters, but they could as spirits since they're just PNGs with stats attached to them, which makes them easier to include, project plan be damned. But a DLC Mii Fighter costume? Unless that company is really easy to negotiate with, ie. a Japanese company like Konami, there's no way they'd do that all for just a simple costume. It would be like them going to Microsoft for just a Banjo or Minecraft costume, and they sure as hell didn't do that with Banjo.

And with regards to Bethesda? There are plenty of companies literally throwing themselves at the opprotunity to have their characters represented in Smash, it's one of if not the biggest celebration of video games in history, anyone who's anyone is in this game. You're telling me that Nintendo came to Bethesda to use their characters, and Bethesda for some reason DIDN'T want to push for getting one of their flagship character in Smash as a fighter? They only wanted some Mii Fighter costumes? If you went to Wayforward, Yacht Club Games, Nicalis, IntiCreates, Playtonic, Ubisoft, Microsoft, Sony, or even Disney, and offered to put one of their characters into Smash as a fighter, they wouldn't hesitate to make that happen. and the same would go for Bethesda.

And sure, Sans got in only as a Mii Fighter, and... yeah I'll admit I have no idea what went on behind the scenes there.
Perhaps they had already decided on a bunch of other characters and couldn't fit Sans into Smash as a fighter.
Or maybe Toby specifically wanted Sans as a Mii Fighter costume because of how in-character it would be for Sans to just take someone else's moveset rather than coming up with his own.
Or maybe these negotiations were done before they decided to make more DLC fighters post-Fighters Pass.
Or maybe Sakurai had no interest in Sans as a fighter and was just doing Toby a solid.
Or maybe Toby didn't care how Sans got into Smash and was happy with whatever?
Again, I have no idea, but in most instances companies would be entirely fine with providing their characters as fighters for Smash, so why would Bethesda be any different?
Also I wouldn't use the fact that we would've heard about a Doomguy & Geno costume by now considering that with the last Mii Costume leak that we got which mentioned Mallow & Smithy didn't mention Cacodemon at all.
We also didn't hear about the Sans costume at all, but the list still got 4/7 costumes correct, with the Mallow hat bumping that up to 5/7, so... yeah.
The biggest hit to this leak in my opinion is the fact that it doesn't show Terry in any way. If the leaker has access to these costumes, he should also have access to Terry; then why didn't they show him, or his stage? It would add a ton of credibility to this leak.
He did show Terry, he was just using the hatless alt. :ultpacman:
 

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Mallow's just a hat, though. IMO the curse of "Gunner/Swordsman/Brawler" is broken.
That is true, but I still believe that we could still get the hat and character. Idk. I just don't know what to think right now. Part of me is worried of Plant 2.0. The other half of me wants to believe we finally won
 

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I'm on the fence, I don't believe Geno and Doom Slayer can be confirmed nor dis-confirmed with what we see in this supposed leak. For all we know this could just point to the Doom series + SMRPG getting Mii content only....or maybe also music for one or the other akin to Sans.

On one hand, it's real and either one of three things occurs.
-Neither are playable down the road.
-Only one of them is with the other MIA or as a Mii costume.
-Both are eventually playable in Ultimate.

On the other, who knows, maybe despite what is publicly known about Mii costume modding in Ultimate someone figured out how to mod these hats in. It's not such an impossibility as what some try to pass it off as.
 

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At the very least Geno's Gunner costume oughta be coming out which is very exciting.
Don't know if I'd call the worst-case scenario exciting but you do you I guess
 

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Yea I’m not quite holding my breath

While makes doomguy easily in the 90% zone now (if real ofcoarse)

The geno costume could be still part of th bundle however we do have costumes of characters who are already playable in ultimate like k rool and captain falcon
 

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I'm on the fence, I don't believe Geno and Doom Slayer can be confirmed nor dis-confirmed with what we see in this supposed leak. For all we know this could just point to the Doom series + SMRPG getting Mii content only....or maybe also music for one or the other akin to Sans.

On one hand, it's real and either one of three things occurs.
-Neither are playable down the road.
-Only one of them is with the other MIA or as a Mii costume.
-Both are eventually playable in Ultimate.

On the other, who knows, maybe despite what is publicly known about Mii costume modding in Ultimate someone figured out how to mod these hats in. It's not such an impossibility as what some try to pass it off as.
I honestly don't think we'll get either of those costumes with Terry considering how many SNK costumes we're likely to get instead. I'm betting that Fighter #5 will be the one to truly tell the tale. If it's Geno with Mallow, but no demon costume, Doomguy is still on the table. If it's DG with demon, but no Mallow, Geno's still on the table. If it's someone completely random with BOTH costumes, then we're likely screwed. If it's someone completely random with NEITHER of the two costumes, then we'll still be in the dark. Either way, we WILL see one of these four scenarios.
 

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I honestly don't think we'll get either of those costumes with Terry considering how many SNK costumes we're likely to get instead. I'm betting that Fighter #5 will be the one to truly tell the tale. If it's Geno with Mallow, but no demon costume, Doomguy is still on the table. If it's DG with demon, but no Mallow, Geno's still on the table. If it's someone completely random with BOTH costumes, then we're likely screwed. If it's someone completely random with NEITHER of the two costumes, then we'll still be in the dark. Either way, we WILL see one of these four scenarios.
Us Banjo & Kazooie folk were anticipating something in a similar vein when it comes to Mii costumes but look how that turned out. Don't bet on SNK costumes just yet.
 

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Us Banjo & Kazooie folk were anticipating something in a similar vein when it comes to Mii costumes but look how that turned out. Don't bet on SNK costumes just yet.
I see your point, but one could easily argue that SNK is in a much different position than B-K was with Microsoft. Joker and Hero came with several Mii's pertaining to their series, so one outlier belonging to Nintendo's direct competitor might not be the best measuring stick.
 
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