Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Glitch-EGamer]

Boy, are you anti-feminist! Shame on you! Nah, just kidding! But I personally wouldn't mind a female character in the pass.

I don't really care about who gets in the pass in terms of gender, race, or anything else but after watching PapaGenos' recent video, I'm wondering just how many people think the Fighter's Pass just absolutely has to have a female fighter in it. I mean, I don't think Sakurai and Nintendo sat down and said "hmm, we should include one for animals, one for women, one for people of color, one for etc." I personally don't mind because none of those things are really important to me when it comes to fighter representation in Smash Bros. However, I do raise the question on why other people feel that "we need a female fighter in the Pass" is a valid reason to give a character validity for Fighter #5. I'm certain Papa didn't mean that but I know other people do.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Geno will be Fighter 5, but he’s possessing a Gena doll instead.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Ok, so, am I the only person who thinks it shouldn't be mandatory for the Fighter's Pass to have a female fighter in it? Would people feel oppressed by that?

We already have Kazooie, duh.

As much as I would love a female rep, I don't think it's necessary, no- I'm 100% for diversity, but given how few female characters there are to choose from, I don't think it should be required of them. Put in Shantae tho-

 

[Deleted member]

I don't really care about who gets in the pass in terms of gender, race, or anything else but after watching PapaGenos' recent video, I'm wondering just how many people think the Fighter's Pass just absolutely has to have a female fighter in it. I mean, I don't think Sakurai and Nintendo sat down and said "hmm, we should include one for animals, one for women, one for people of color, one for etc." I personally don't mind because none of those things are really important to me when it comes to fighter representation in Smash Bros. However, I do raise the question on why other people feel that "we need a female fighter in the Pass" is a valid reason to give a character validity for Fighter #5. I'm certain Papa didn't mean that but I know other people do.

A variation of this "representation" discussion was brought up way back when we all thought Tracer was coming as DLC thanks to Overwatch being ported. I agree with you 100%, that the fighters pass and Smash - no, games in general do not "need" characters to fill some sort of representation quota. If a character's only notable or redeeming quality is their race, gender, sexuality, etc, they aren't a character, they're an object. People acting like we need a female or need someone who, for lack of a better term would be a "diversity pick", are just being emblematic of a society that imho has allowed identity to be more important than character.

If we get a female character, I can almost assure you her status in gaming will be of much more consequence than her gender.

As an assumedly genderless star angel who politely took up the gender assigned to his host by a child, I think Geno's a hell of a diversity rep.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

A variation of this "representation" discussion was brought up way back when we all thought Tracer was coming as DLC thanks to Overwatch being ported. I agree with you 100%, that the fighters pass and Smash - no, games in general do not "need" characters to fill some sort of representation quota. If a character's only notable or redeeming quality is their race, gender, sexuality, etc, they aren't a character, they're an object. People acting like we need a female or need someone who, for lack of a better term would be a "diversity pick", are just being emblematic of a society that imho has allowed identity to be more important than character.

If we get a female character, I can almost assure you her status in gaming will be of much more consequence than her gender.

As an assumedly genderless star angel who politely took up the gender assigned to his host by a child, I think Geno's a hell of a diversity rep.

Geno said nonbinary rights!!

 

[Deleted member]

Geno said nonbinary rights!!

whatever grants the wishes, that's what Geno's concerned with.

 

[wynn728]

It's not going to be Kos-Mos, give it a day in a half and we'll get another frontrunner that will turn out to be fake and again and again.

 

[SSGuy]

I really want it to be Geno. Either as fighter 75 or 76. I feel like it is so close to happening.

 

[Deleted member]

There have been times where I listened to the Smash original remixes for Ultimate, and think to myself "Geno HAS to make it this time." Even more so now that more DLC has been confirmed. Just the thought of him finally getting in is enough to bring a few tears to my eyes because of how beloved and wanted he is. People love to call Geno an irrelevant nobody from an """ancient game""" that no one has heard of or played, yet he's been kept alive and has been apart of Smash discussions for the longest time now.

It's mostly the reason I want Geno to begin with. It's so that all the naysayers can finally shut up about how relevant a character is, and for that spirits """rule""" to be shattered. I also want him because he has the moveset, and he's a cool character with a great personality. His design is top-notch to me.

I never played SMRPG myself, and I'm not super into RPGs in general anymore, but if i ever get the chance to, then I will.

If/When Geno finally comes to Smash, I'll be ecstatic. Happy to finally see this character again in the flesh after two decades. I don't have as much of an attachment to Geno as others in this thread do, but I do love him and enjoy him as a character, and I'll be shedding tears when the moment finally comes.

 

[Sour Supreme]

There have been times where I listened to the Smash original remixes for Ultimate, and think to myself "Geno HAS to make it this time." Even more so now that more DLC has been confirmed. Just the thought of him finally getting in is enough to bring a few tears to my eyes because of how beloved and wanted he is. People love to call Geno an irrelevant nobody from an """ancient game""" that no one has heard of or played, yet he's been kept alive and has been apart of Smash discussions for the longest time now.

It's mostly the reason I want Geno to begin with. It's so that all the naysayers can finally shut up about how relevant a character is, and for that spirits """rule""" to be shattered. I also want him because he has the moveset, and he's a cool character with a great personality. His design is top-notch to me.

I never played SMRPG myself, and I'm not super into RPGs in general anymore, but if i ever get the chance to, then I will.

If/When Geno finally comes to Smash, I'll be ecstatic. Happy to finally see this character again in the flesh after two decades. I don't have as much of an attachment to Geno as others in this thread do, but I do love him and enjoy him as a character, and I'll be shedding tears when the moment finally comes.

That's the coolest thing about Geno, for sure. That his relevancy is entirely void without the esteem that many of us hold him in. He's literally the fan character. No remakes, reboots, or even recent cameos to be found here. Dude has remained at the forefront of speculation and demand because we think he's ****ing cool. There's nothing more to it than that. I appreciate the words, since you could just as quickly dismiss him as a poorly praised novelty; one that belongs in an Antique Mall rather than a fighting game roster.

 

[ZelDan]

I don't really see why people wanting a female for representation or diversity is any worse than people wanting another Zelda or Kirby or DK rep. Why is "NOT ENOUGH ZELDA/KIRBY/DK REPS!!" any better than "NOT ENOUGH FEMALE REPS!!!"? In the end it all boils down to people wanting more variety in the roster I think.

Personally I don't think the last FP character or any post-FP DLC character "needs" to be female, and there are probably plenty of noteworthy male characters that could still be chosen, that said it would be nice to see some more female reps for variety's sake, and needless to say there are plenty of female characters they could choose as well.

 

[Sour Supreme]

I don't really see why people wanting a female for representation or diversity is any worse than people wanting another Zelda or Kirby or DK rep. Why is "NOT ENOUGH ZELDA/KIRBY/DK REPS!!" any better than "NOT ENOUGH FEMALE REPS!!!"? In the end it all boils down to people wanting more variety in the roster I think.

Personally I don't think the last FP character or any post-FP DLC character "needs" to be female, and there are probably plenty of noteworthy male characters that could still be chosen, that said it would be nice to see some more female reps for variety's sake, and needless to say there are plenty of female characters they could choose as well.

Any character that's introduced to fill some sort of quota is a mistake. I don't think we'll see that from Sakurai, though.

 

[OffBi]

I don't really see why people wanting a female for representation or diversity is any worse than people wanting another Zelda or Kirby or DK rep. Why is "NOT ENOUGH ZELDA/KIRBY/DK REPS!!" any better than "NOT ENOUGH FEMALE REPS!!!"? In the end it all boils down to people wanting more variety in the roster I think.

Personally I don't think the last FP character or any post-FP DLC character "needs" to be female, and there are probably plenty of noteworthy male characters that could still be chosen, that said it would be nice to see some more female reps for variety's sake, and needless to say there are plenty of female characters they could choose as well.

Because wanting a female character solely for having a female character is pretty petty

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

I don't really see why people wanting a female for representation or diversity is any worse than people wanting another Zelda or Kirby or DK rep. Why is "NOT ENOUGH ZELDA/KIRBY/DK REPS!!" any better than "NOT ENOUGH FEMALE REPS!!!"? In the end it all boils down to people wanting more variety in the roster I think.

Personally I don't think the last FP character or any post-FP DLC character "needs" to be female, and there are probably plenty of noteworthy male characters that could still be chosen, that said it would be nice to see some more female reps for variety's sake, and needless to say there are plenty of female characters they could choose as well.

It's definitely not worse, I think both are totally valid. Wanting a certain kind of character versus a certain kind of character being ""required"" is very different though imo. I really want a female rep, if a character gets in I don't particularly care for, I hope they're female- but I don't think Sakurai or Nintendo should care about diversity in demographics as much as they should care about making good choices for characters.

Because wanting a female character solely for having a female character is pretty petty

Hard disagree. I might just have a different perspective because I am female, but with how underrepresented they are in video games in general, it's not exactly asking too much for a few characters we can personally identify with. I don't wanna get into it because you probably don't care, but there's a bunch of good videos and stuff on why diversity is important if you do care.

 

[Deleted member]

I personally don't mind adding in more females. There's lots of potential choices that have a lot going for them and some are huge parts in their respective franchises but at the same time though, I feel like the female representation in Smash is pretty fair.

However, Merit > Gender.

If Lara Croft were to get in for example, that's fantastic. She's more than deserving of a spot. She's appeared in many games regardless how good or bad some are and is an icon of the era she was first introduced in. The fact that she's a woman is just the icing on the cake. That's all I'm gonna say in that regards. I'd really prefer if this thread didn't get into the identity politics debate. It ALWAYS leads to disaster.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

I personally don't mind adding in more females. There's lots of potential choices that have a lot going for them and some are huge parts in their respective franchises but at the same time though, I feel like the female representation is pretty fair.

However, Merit > Gender.

If Lara Croft were to get in for example, that's fantastic. She's more than deserving of a spot. She's appeared in many games regardless how good or bad some are and is an icon of the era she was first introduced in. The fact that she's a woman is just the icing on the cake. That's all I'm gonna say in that regards. I'd really prefer if this thread didn't get into the identity politics debate. It ALWAYS leads to disaster.

^ This

Merit is mainly the thing Smash goes for. It doesn't have some social agenda to represent people. It represents IPs and genres. The idea of using a character's gender, race, etc as being the only reason is much like our Tracer discussion from a while back.

I do think that as the roster grows, the desire for more representation of a series, gender, race, company, and more will constantly be thrown out there but I think it's just best to not use any of those things as a valid reason for why a character should be in. I'm sorry for bringing up the topic idea because it strayed too far from Geno discussion and I had thought it was worth asking what other people's views are that wouldn't be radically absurd like 4chan or GameFaqs. This is my formal apology.

 

[riggsbass]

I tend to notice on more casual forums I post in outside of Smash Boards that in talks for Smash, most people have only really heard about Ryu and Geno. That seems to be the general consensus, that we're going to get one of them. This is in no way supposed to make either sound more apparent. I just think it's funny - the casual fans speculation vs the more hardcore (like us & the YouTuber community it seems)...

Also Geno is totally nonbinary!

 

[Deleted member]

I don't really see why people wanting a female for representation or diversity is any worse than people wanting another Zelda or Kirby or DK rep. Why is "NOT ENOUGH ZELDA/KIRBY/DK REPS!!" any better than "NOT ENOUGH FEMALE REPS!!!"?

It isn't any better and no one likes it when people try to say "we need more reps from [series]" other than when they agree with them... which is also the only time people like when someone says "we need more [identity] reps".

"We need more Geno reps" is a statement of absolute fact, though.

I'm sorry for bringing up the topic idea because it strayed too far from Geno discussion and I had thought it was worth asking what other people's views are that wouldn't be radically absurd like 4chan or GameFaqs. This is my formal apology.

Believe me, the only reason it won't escalate to the point of radically absurd (there's probably people out there that think it already is) is because this place is actually moderated.

I tend to notice on more casual forums I post in outside of Smash Boards that in talks for Smash, most people have only really heard about Ryu and Geno. That seems to be the general consensus, that we're going to get one of them. This is in no way supposed to make either sound more apparent. I just think it's funny - the casual fans speculation vs the more hardcore (like us & the YouTuber community it seems)...

Also Geno is totally nonbinary!

They've only heard of Ryu and Geno... and we know Ryu isn't coming...

This can only mean one thing.

 

[Grumbo]

As someone who’s half middle eastern, I cant say I really care much for having more characters like me. If I was a woman or african american or etc. id probably feel the same way. I much prefer characters for their character rather than identity but that just me.

Plus the only middle eastern characters I can think of are Ganon and Shantae, but that doesnt bother me either. To each their own i guess

 

[Deleted member]

I tend to notice on more casual forums I post in outside of Smash Boards that in talks for Smash, most people have only really heard about Ryu and Geno. That seems to be the general consensus, that we're going to get one of them. This is in no way supposed to make either sound more apparent. I just think it's funny - the casual fans speculation vs the more hardcore (like us & the YouTuber community it seems)...

Also Geno is totally nonbinary!

You’re saying information insiders hearing Geno ? Like on Resetera?

 

[Deleted member]

You’re saying information insiders hearing Geno ? Like on Resetera?

I thought they meant that your average Joe only knows who Ryu and Geno are.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I really want it to be Geno. Either as fighter 75 or 76. I feel like it is so close to happening.

Geno as fighter #77 would be just perfect.

 

[Deleted member]

Geno as fighter #77 would be just perfect.

Perfect except for the part where we're willing to wait extra time for a convenient number. If they'd count Echo fighters like actual characters (which with "clones" like Ken and Chrom...), we're already in the 80s so in my humble opinion the numbering is worthless.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Perfect except for the part where we're willing to wait extra time for a convenient number. If they'd count Echo fighters like actual characters, we're already in the 80s so in my humble opinion the numbering is worthless.

I guess... But who cares! Just the fact he would be number #77 for the unique fighters would be awesome to see.

 

[Grumbo]

If fatman was right about there possibly being 3 reveals then we might only have to wait until the VGAs for #77

 

[RetrogamerMax]

If fatman was right about there possibly being 3 reveals then we might only have to wait until the VGAs for #77

Wait... WHAT?! When did he say this?

 

[Grumbo]

Wait... WHAT?! When did he say this?

It was like saturday or sunday but that was many pages back at this point. I cant really do a search rn but it should still be there

 

[RetrogamerMax]

It was like saturday or sunday but that was many pages back at this point. I cant really do a search rn but it should still be there

Thanks! I'll search for the post on the search engine.

 

[Grumbo]

Thanks! I'll search for the post on the search engine.

I found it! Not sure how to link a post but its number 60,795 on page 1520

 

[Looma]

Wanting more ladies is perfectly reasonable. In a roster as beefy as this one, it certainly wouldn't hurt. Obviously it's not required (or even probable) for FP5 to be a girl.

Seeing outright pushback against the idea on sites like this one makes me want it more, too.

 

[Deleted member]

Seeing outright pushback against the idea on sites like this one makes me want it more, too.

There's no pushback here, what a reach... Literally the only complaint anyone in this thread would have about a female character is that they aren't Geno.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Seeing outright pushback against the idea on sites like this one makes me want it more, too.

This mentality is the absolute worst. That also goes for the opposing mentality of not wanting a female character just because others do want one.

I’m sitting here begging for my nostalgia puppet for half my life while there are people out there who want or don’t want x character just to spite other people they don’t agree with

 

[Firox]

With all this discussion about who we think should get in (more females, more of certain franchises, etc.), it's important to remember these two important factors:

1) Gaming icon status always takes priority

and

2) What we want is irrelevant in terms of what Sakurai ultimately decides. We can use our "logic" to deem characters more or less worthy, but his opinion is the only one that ends up mattering in the end.

 

[Ovaltine]

I'm of the opinion that a female rep would be cool, but I wouldn't lose sleep or split hairs if it didn't happen. I'm just... all-in-all chill about it. Like, whatevs.

 

[Looma]

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There's no pushback here, what a reach... Literally the only complaint anyone in this thread would have about a female character is that they aren't Geno.

Chillax, sir. I said sites "like" this one, not "this thread". Sorry if it came across as accusing anybody in here of anything. Just saying that there is pushback, and it fuels me.

 

[valkiriforce]

With Terry releasing next month, I can see them showing FP5 and the first DLC character outside the pass, but I'm leaning toward just #5 getting revealed before the year is up as I'm uncertain if we'll know the first character outside the pass this early on. There's only a week and a couple months left of 2019, but who knows. It all depends just how far into development and planning they are with all of this.

 

[Rohanx17]

For me personally I would take it one step further and say that I don't really care about their sex or if they're a gaming icon, at this point in the rosters development all I care about is if the pick is interesting and fun to play. A big reason why the huge influx of "ordinary human with a gun" picks getting a lot of traction really bothers me as a consumer

How they choose to set up the next info segments is going to determine what I'm expecting to see. If its just a smash showcase it might just be terry, but if it's a direct, and especially if its a smash direct then I could see FP5 revealed, and the latter showing #7 as well as the dlc structure moving forward.

 

[Firox]

With Terry releasing next month, I can see them showing FP5 and the first DLC character outside the pass, but I'm leaning toward just #5 getting revealed before the year is up as I'm uncertain if we'll know the first character outside the pass this early on. There's only a week and a couple months left of 2019, but who knows. It all depends just how far into development and planning they are with all of this.

I gotta admit, with how not-very-far the development was with Terry at his reveal, there is a pretty good chance that we won't see fighter #6 until closer to Christmas time. If they do end up showing them off, then it will likely be just the teaser video only without much if any gameplay to show.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

I gotta admit, with how not-very-far the development was with Terry at his reveal, there is a pretty good chance that we won't see fighter #6 until closer to Christmas time. If they do end up showing them off, then it will likely be just the teaser video only without much if any gameplay to show.

To be fair though, Terry's video was supposedly compiled into it back in August but...we can't really confirm that..

 

[Deleted member]

Chillax, sir. I said sites "like" this one, not "this thread". Sorry if it came across as accusing anybody in here of anything. Just saying that there is pushback, and it fuels me.

Yeah? Keep fueling up on being petty and see if that ends the pushback.

I gotta admit, with how not-very-far the development was with Terry at his reveal, there is a pretty good chance that we won't see fighter #6 until closer to Christmas time. If they do end up showing them off, then it will likely be just the teaser video only without much if any gameplay to show.

I'm not sure why people act like Terry wasn't far along in development. We got about as much gameplay footage of him as we would in a normal trailer, just without the situational humor. I think due to the nature of his trailer, they didn't want to show off that kind of trailer level gameplay in it. So far the only character we've seen who wasn't far along in development when they showed the trailer was Joker - and it took us four months to get him after announcement.

Even at the time of the Banjo presentation, I'm willing to bet Terry was done enough for them to be committing the lion's share of their resources to character pack 5, seeing as how Sakurai seems to imply that there's 100 or so people working on the DLC, and I can't wrap my head around more than 15 people being required to put the finishing touches on Banjo presentation Terry.