Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Glitch-EGamer]

Kirby IMO is the worst represented franchise in Smash. It should have about 6 characters, not 3.
BTW, my cast would be our 3 now, Dee, Adeline, and Dark Matter.

For me, it would be Magolor, Bandana Dee, and Dark Matter.

You'd have:
•The most iconic final boss of modern Kirby
•The last of the main protagonists
•The one recurring villain species to remain villainous throughout the series's whole.

I will say that Adeline would be great with her crazy paint abilities.

 

[ivanlerma]

Kirby IMO is the worst represented franchise in Smash. It should have about 6 characters, not 3.
BTW, my cast would be our 3 now, Dee, Adeline, and Dark Matter.

Bandana Dee, Adeleine, Magolor.

 

[StarBot]

that outside of his name, Papagenos barely advertises Geno,

I'm not a big fan of Geno either, but that's the biggest bull face lie I have ever seen lmao

 

[Zinith]

Where the heck is Zinith. WHERE. Zinith You are SORELY NEEDED.


Can we not do that? Seriously?

As for the Sabi and Memoryman thing... Memoryman is a pretty terrible scumbag, but two wrongs don't make a right either. That's about all I'm willing to give without having a clear enough picture about it. Those screenshots are pretty awful and damning, though. Terrible behavior.

Sorry, I had a Halloween thing to attend to (and yes, I was Yoshi)

I was stupid enough to do any Halloween-themed drawing my friend wanted.

Enjoy this image or be scarred for life. The choice is yours.

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Gotta love weirdly specific requests

 

[P47]

I know this is the Geno thread but my god did non-Sakurai Kirby get shafted hard this game, and I'm not even talking about in terms of playable characters. Still no stages, no new remixes (and still not a single one from RtDL and up), not nearly enough music, and many missing spirits of main characters/villains (which is crazy considering just how obscure so many spirits are). How does a mainline game in one of Nintendo's biggest franchises (Kirby 64) not get a single spirit? I just don't get it.

Mario RPGs also got neglected. Sure there's the 'Paper Mario' stage from Smash 3DS but there is sooo little music from M&L and Paper Mario. Gimme that Dream Team boss theme~

 

[YsDisciple]

Gimme that Dream Team boss theme~

An arrangement of this theme would be so FIRE!

Spoiler: M&L Boss Battle Theme

 

[ForsakenM]

I can see that, but I think he pointed it out maybe to placate the haters. Anyone in the thick of it knows that outside of his name, Papagenos barely advertises Geno, his discord is allegedly full of Geno haters, and his videos are probably the reason people like Doom Guy and Ryu were above Geno in likelihood. Funny how now the "most likely" has to have a big asterisk on it stating that Ryu's basically out of the running.

As a former member of that Discord, I can assure you it is not 'allegedly'.

Unless you wanted to be mocked and spat on in front the entire congregation you did not speak about Geno in a positive light in the slightest.

Geez, you guys are super sensitive to any potential slight at Geno, huh? The guy said there may be some slight Geno bias. May. Which is an entirely valid statement that was just a one-off sentence on a report of the statistics. Keep in mind that not everyone who voted on that poll was directly a member of the PapaGenos Discord, and may just be people who watch his videos, support Geno, and don’t contribute to the Geno bashing that happens online. In my opinion, you guys can be a tad oversensitive at times.

It's less about an insult and more about how he's flat-out wrong about the bias and how he acts as if Geno's win isn't legit and thus spreads the idea around.

I thought we would lose to Doom Guy or Crash for sure, but we managed to come out on top and someone has the nerve to undermine our fair and factual success with misinformation? Hello, this is CNN offering you a full-time position in our establishment!

I'm not a big fan of Geno either, but that's the biggest bull face lie I have ever seen lmao

Umm...what?

So it's in his name and his pfp wears the Geno hat and he plays BotFM for his intro. So what? He doesn't push Geno into every little thing he does and even acknowledges he has a bias towards Geno in the few times he's brought up. There have been many videos his done in which he's never talked about Geno and he only brings Geno up when it's relevant to the conversation. The reason you've seen him talk about Geno more recently is because, low and behold, Geno is more relevant in recent leak discussion!

You must have read that Twitter guy's application for CNN and fell for it.

 

[wynn728]

You have: Adeleine & Ribbon, Taranza, Hyness, Dark Matter (True Form), Dark Meta Knight, Prince Fluff, Drawcia, Shadow Dedede, Void Termina, and more. There are plenty of viable options for playable characters, each having pretty good merits to the series and, fun fact, none of them were restricted to just one title.

Adeleine has been in Dreamland 3 (1, as Ado), The Crystal Shards (2), and finally back in Star Allies (3). She isn't a one time enemy. She's a character that debuted in 1997 on the SNES and has only made a handful of appearances since...wait a minute... what's that I smell? That's the smell of a character who is almost exactly in the same boat as Geno.

I won't even elaborate on why Dark Matter, Taranza, Hyness, and the others I listed are also of worth to the series. Just because you don't have a tie to these characters doesn't mean they don't have worth because I can assure you that all the ones I listed do to the franchise's whole.

Also, yeah, whoever told you they couldn't bring spirits with them must be blind because Kirby has a literal fountain of untapped enemies from Star Allies alone. Don't even get me started on everything else.

Oh here we go.

First of all, did you not see I mentioned Adeleine before?
Second, you're really stretching with Shadow Dedede & Drawcia as Spirits that a Kirby rep can bring.
Third, you do know Princes Fluff is a Spirit, right?
Fourth, we already have a Dark Matter Spirit that has a Legend Class.
Fifth, I'll give you Taranza, Hyness & Void Termina as missing Spirits but most likely the reason why the last two weren't included was so they didn't spoil people since that game came out in the same year as Smash Bros.
Sixth, if you're implying that Dark Meta Knight could be playable that won't happen since he's already a color alt for Meta Knight.

But fine, hypothetical if we were to get a brand new Kirby character as the Fifth Fighter then they would bring in extremely minor villains like Shadow Dedede & Drawcia, a few note worthy like Hyness & Void Termina, and a bunch of less recognizable enemies. Meanwhile Joker brought nearly the entire major characters for Persona 5, Hero brought iconic Dragon Quest enemies with a group of his comrades, Banjo brought in just about every important character from the first game that they made, and Terry is going to bring in all of those fighters that appeared in his trailer.

If they're bringing in new Spirits then it's going to characters that are worth of note. They're not going to bring in a series that already have a bunch of Spirits as the Fifth DLC Fighter. It's going to be a brand new series that hasn't been represented, but fine whatever whoever the fifth fighter is totally going to break the rule. If it turned out that it was a character from a brand new series then I guess we'll just sweep that under the rug and ignore all evidence that point at the direction the DLC has been going.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

If they're bringing in new Spirits then it's going to characters that are worth of note. They're not going to bring in a series that already have a bunch of Spirits as the Fifth DLC Fighter. It's going to be a brand new series that hasn't been represented, but fine whatever whoever the fifth fighter is totally going to break the rule. If it turned out that it was a character from a brand new series then I guess we'll just sweep that under the rug and ignore all evidence that point at the direction the DLC has been going.

I personally believe that, yes, the Fifth Fighter will follow the same pattern as the first four. However, unlike you, I feel as though the DLC post Pass could very easily have spirit characters in it. I don't think I specifically said "oh, well, Kirby is a series viable for Fighter's Pass." I just hate the fact that you basically said that every other character, even assuming that spirits deconfirm, are unworthy of being playable in Smash at all. That is completely different from what I was saying, which was about playable character options, not spirit options.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

It’s pretty weird that Geno is one of the most “expected” characters in that poll

I mean, wanting and expecting are two very different things. I WANT Geno. Can’t say I expect him. His chances are like 50/50 at this point. After I “expected” Isaac because the Grinch leak seemed so convincing, I was mortally burned in the ensuing direct. I can’t put myself in that position again.

But meanwhile, there’s so many people thinking that spirits deconfirm or that Geno has zero chance, yet he’s #2 on the expected poll? Above Ryu Hayabusa? What the ****?

The only reason Geno polled so high was clearly because of bias

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

The only reason Geno polled so high was clearly because of bias

Technically speaking, the whole poll was biased from a statistical standpoint because of its voluntary nature.

 

[wynn728]

I personally believe that, yes, the Fifth Fighter will follow the same pattern as the first four. However, unlike you, I feel as though the DLC post Pass could very easily have spirit characters in it. I don't think I specifically said "oh, well, Kirby is a series viable for Fighter's Pass." I just hate the fact that you basically said that every other character, even assuming that spirits deconfirm, are unworthy of being playable in Smash at all. That is completely different from what I was saying, which was about playable character options, not spirit options.

When did I say thing? When did I say they're unworthy of being playable? I never said they were unworthy of being playable, I said they're not going to be the fifth DLC fighter because these characters were picked way in advance. TDepending when post Fighter Pass DLC was decided sure the Spirits aren't going to hold anyone back. They might just release DLC characters by themselves with no Spirits. But as of now, with this fifth DLC fighter, it's not going to be a character that's already a Spirit and it's not going to a character from a series that's already represented with a lot of Spirits because majority of the series is already represented.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

When did I say thing? When did I say they're unworthy of being playable? I never said they were unworthy of being playable, I said they're not going to be the fifth DLC fighter because these characters were picked way in advance. TDepending when post Fighter Pass DLC was decided sure the Spirits aren't going to hold anyone back. They might just release DLC characters by themselves with no Spirits. But as of now, with this fifth DLC fighter, it's not going to be a character that's already a Spirit and it's not going to a character from a series that's already represented with a lot of Spirits because majority of the series is already represented.

You said only character of worth was Adeleine. If you meant as a Spirit, ok then because you made it sound like she was the only viable, non-Spirit fighter option.

 

[StarLight42]

The problem with Kirby is I think Sakurai seems to be not too fond of greater representation for the recent games. I think the best thing they got is Kirby's Final Smash and a few Music tracks. Never a stage or a character (like Bandana Dee)

 

[Sour Supreme]

This tangent about Kirby's newest games going under-represented is dreadfully tiresome. After all, nothing about Nuts & Bolts was incorporated into Banjo's moveset. I don't see you guys complaining.

Jokes aside though, I think an obscure character like Geno is only justified with a series like Mario because the franchise is already so well-represented. I love how Mario has F.L.U.D.D, the Galaxy Spin, and even a nod to Cappy. Really checks all of the boxes.

 

[wynn728]

You said only character of worth was Adeleine. If you meant as a Spirit, ok then because you made it sound like she was the only viable, non-Spirit fighter option.

Yes, I was referring to Spirits.

 

[QQS]

I was looking through the #GenoForSmash on Instagram and I just realized that there is a guy who crafted a Geno Doll and Sakurai himself liked the photo back in October 2014, like one month before the release of Smash for Wii U. (Aprox, cause it depends on the release zone).

Another bit of recognition from Sakurai.

Credits to the owner of the Doll, of course.

Not only because of this, but I have always believed that Geno is coming as a fighter, beside theories or anything. He will be such a good addition to Smash. Probably #75 for me. Remember that!

 

[Plank08]

If we talking about Kirby characters, then I would take Marx over Bandanna Dee ANY day do the week.

 

[waterhasataste]

I was looking through the #GenoForSmash on Instagram and I just realized that there is a guy who crafted a Geno Doll and Sakurai himself liked the photo back in October 2014, like one month before the release of Smash for Wii U. (Aprox, cause it depends on the release zone).

Another bit of recognition from Sakurai.
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Credits to the owner of the Doll, of course.

Not only because of this, but I have always believed that Geno is coming as a fighter, beside theories or anything. He will be such a good addition to Smash. Probably #75 for me. Remember that!

That's an extremely cool find! Gives me more hope for Geno, let's hope his time is near!

 

[ZelDan]

The thing that bothers me most when it comes to franchise representation is the music selection for Donkey Kong. Ultimate addressed this a bit but damn there only being one Tropical freeze theme is a crime. Also how the hell is fear factory not present?

Kirby could be better on the music side of things too.

 

[Qeomash]

Is that actually Sakurai's Instagram account?

 

[catsforlife1]

I was looking through the #GenoForSmash on Instagram and I just realized that there is a guy who crafted a Geno Doll and Sakurai himself liked the photo back in October 2014, like one month before the release of Smash for Wii U. (Aprox, cause it depends on the release zone).

Another bit of recognition from Sakurai.
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Credits to the owner of the Doll, of course.

Not only because of this, but I have always believed that Geno is coming as a fighter, beside theories or anything. He will be such a good addition to Smash. Probably #75 for me. Remember that!

Me personally I dont think this is a hint or a sign but at least it shows that Sakurai does like Geno outside of the interview.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

If we talking about Kirby characters, then I would take Marx over Bandanna Dee ANY day do the week.

I mean, honestly, I could agree with that because Marx honestly could've been playable. Demon boss, jester playable. It would've been great... However, his model though...eugh, I really don't like the way the basic model looks. It's so lifeless and blegh for a character who is supposed to use the cutesy facade that made Flowery iconic.

Also, Sour Supreme , counter argument: failing to represent a game via a move is completely different from failing to represent an entire decade of games with a fighter from that era. Huge difference. Especially since Kirby is a huge franchise with plenty of good character options for fighters to represent and ton of games that aren't overly represented like Adventure, Dreamland, and Super Star. Give us some playable representation of games other than just the ones Sakurai made. :/

 

[ZelDan]

Is that actually Sakurai's Instagram account?

Yeah, I'm kind of doubting it is tbh.

 

[QQS]

Maybe the real Geno (the Star) possessed Sakurai’s body and liked the photo :D

 

[Ovaltine]

Yeah, I'm kind of doubting it is tbh.

https://www.instagram.com/masahirosakurai/

It, uh... actually looks like it is. I just checked the source of the post and I can confirm that this is probably, indeed, Sakurai, and he did like that very post.

 

[waterhasataste]

Is that actually Sakurai's Instagram account?

I checked, the guy himself made a recent post about it last week

It seems pretty legit

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

https://www.instagram.com/masahirosakurai/

It, uh... actually looks like it is. I just checked the source of the post and I can confirm that this is probably, indeed, Sakurai, and he did like that very post.

Oh wow... Could it be a sign from the stars from way afar in the past? Quickly, Ovaltine! We have to Partners In Time this thing and go get Geno in Smash!

 

[QQS]

yes Bros, its real Sakurai. He doesn’t have the ticket mark but I’m almost sure he is indeed Sakurai. (Sorry for My english).

Geno fan from Chile! Old school fan since 1990!

 

[ChoccyStar]

yes Bros, its real Sakurai. He doesn’t have the ticket mark but I’m almost sure he is indeed Sakurai. (Sorry for My english).

Geno fan from Chile! Old school fan since 1990!

Stay safe genobro, we need you to play him when it's released.

 

[LipeCau]

Kirby IMO is the worst represented franchise in Smash. It should have about 6 characters, not 3.
BTW, my cast would be our 3 now, Dee, Adeline, and Dark Matter.

I do agree that kirby is under-represented, at least it got 3, I find F-Zero and Yoshi in a weirder worse situation. Though we can understand Yoshi being a sub franchise to Mario, he has 4 levels (granted, one of them is from Mario World), but F-Zero have so many characters and a couple would suffice. Say Black Shadow or Blood Falcon as Melee Ganondorf's clone/Capt Falcon Echo and Samurai Goroh. 3 characters, 3 levels.

 

[RingJ5]

This tangent about Kirby's newest games going under-represented is dreadfully tiresome. After all, nothing about Nuts & Bolts was incorporated into Banjo's moveset. I don't see you guys complaining.

Jokes aside though, I think an obscure character like Geno is only justified with a series like Mario because the franchise is already so well-represented. I love how Mario has F.L.U.D.D, the Galaxy Spin, and even a nod to Cappy. Really checks all of the boxes.

N&B actually is represented in one of the taunts, it was even mentioned in the presentation.

As a former member of that Discord, I can assure you it is not 'allegedly'.

Unless you wanted to be mocked and spat on in front the entire congregation you did not speak about Geno in a positive light in the slightest.



It's less about an insult and more about how he's flat-out wrong about the bias and how he acts as if Geno's win isn't legit and thus spreads the idea around.

I thought we would lose to Doom Guy or Crash for sure, but we managed to come out on top and someone has the nerve to undermine our fair and factual success with misinformation? Hello, this is CNN offering you a full-time position in our establishment!



Umm...what?

So it's in his name and his pfp wears the Geno hat and he plays BotFM for his intro. So what? He doesn't push Geno into every little thing he does and even acknowledges he has a bias towards Geno in the few times he's brought up. There have been many videos his done in which he's never talked about Geno and he only brings Geno up when it's relevant to the conversation. The reason you've seen him talk about Geno more recently is because, low and behold, Geno is more relevant in recent leak discussion!

You must have read that Twitter guy's application for CNN and fell for it.

I can attest to how weirdly hostile PapaGenos’ Discord is to Geno. Bringing him up usually leads to being immediately shut down by “He isn’t happening, Spirits deconfirm”.

 

[QQS]

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Stay safe genobro, we need you to play him when it's released.

Of course bro! I’m 29, still young hahaha. I still remember when I first got my hands on Super Mario RPG. It was Christmas 1996 or 1997 and there were two gifts hidden on some decoration Christmas boots on the living room; one for my bro and one for me. My brother opened his boot and it has Mega Man X3 inside. Then I opened mine and it has Super Mario RPG on it. I still remember that feeling. Still remember getting Geno. My favorite of the crew, of course. Don’t ask me why, but what I remember the most of the game, and what’s left me the bigger mark, was getting Geno and then all the Bowyer sequence, getting the second green Star. I was a little kid cause I was born in 1990, probably got the game at 6 or 7 years old. These days, when I play Hello Happy Kingdom, Forest Maze or moreover: “Goodbye Geno”, my my eyes got some tears on it. This little blue doll is like an instant teleport to those priceless days...


Still wishing to play as him after more than 2 decades.

Best wishes!

 

[ivanlerma]

I do agree that kirby is under-represented, at least it got 3, I find F-Zero and Yoshi in a weirder worse situation. Though we can understand Yoshi being a sub franchise to Mario, he has 4 levels (granted, one of them is from Mario World), but F-Zero have so many characters and a couple would suffice. Say Dark Shadow or Blood Falcon as Melee Ganondorf's clone/Capt Falcon Echo and Samurai Goroh. 3 characters, 3 levels.

Black Shadow.

 

[Grumbo]

I do agree that kirby is under-represented, at least it got 3, I find F-Zero and Yoshi in a weirder worse situation. Though we can understand Yoshi being a sub franchise to Mario, he has 4 levels (granted, one of them is from Mario World), but F-Zero have so many characters and a couple would suffice. Say Dark Shadow or Blood Falcon as Melee Ganondorf's clone/Capt Falcon Echo and Samurai Goroh. 3 characters, 3 levels.

More Fzero is one of my pipes dreams. Honestly I’d love to see Black Shadow as a Falcon echo, Goroh as a samurai like swird fighter, and Pico as a ranged/blaster focused hitman. Theres so many cool characters from those games that they could do so much with

 

[LipeCau]

More Fzero is one of my pipes dreams. Honestly I’d love to see Black Shadow as a Falcon echo, Goroh as a samurai like swird fighter, and Pico as a ranged/blaster focused hitman. Theres so many cool characters from those games that they could do so much with

Pico is my favorite from the series, but I think the other characters would come much before him. That said, I would love him as a Mii Gunner

 

[CannonStreak]

Pico is my favorite from the series, but I think the other characters would come much before him. That said, I would love him as a Mii Gunner

That reminds me. We haven't gotten possibly any F-Zero Mii Costumes yet. Why?

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Ok, so, am I the only person who thinks it shouldn't be mandatory for the Fighter's Pass to have a female fighter in it? Would people feel oppressed by that?

 

[CannonStreak]

Ok, so, am I the only person who thinks it shouldn't be mandatory for the Fighter's Pass to have a female fighter in it? Would people feel oppressed by that?

Boy, are you anti-feminist! Shame on you! Nah, just kidding! But I personally wouldn't mind a female character in the pass.

 

[xpnc]

Ok, so, am I the only person who thinks it shouldn't be mandatory for the Fighter's Pass to have a female fighter in it? Would people feel oppressed by that?

No I completely agree with you