Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Loog]

Hello, bit of a lurker. I've been I have been going through the past few pages and um... I feel some of you guys are taking the geno no show at evo a bit to seriously. also some of you overthink that starling picture way to much when it is probably more cut and dry than some would argue.

 

[wynn728]

1.) How is any of this NOT an assumption based on fan made restrictions?
2.) I don't subscribe to the idea that one should abandon positivity because you might suffer a little disappointment. If someone's mental well being rests precariously on whether or not smash speculation goes the way they expect, then, to be perfectly frank, the speculation scene is not a place they should be spending their time.

We saw this entire board went up in flames last night because Nintendo didn't announce anything at EVO. I said that's a good possibility that was going to happen, that Nintendo was going to Nintendo. But no one wanted to believe that, no I was just being super pessimistic and looking for the worst. Then it happened. You can be positive, but a lot of times this board wants to dismiss ANY negative scenario like the thought that Nintendo wasn't going to announce anything special since they were closing EVO while everyone else announce something. No no no, only thoughts of "maybe a bonus fighter," is the only speculation that's allowed. I give out realistic possibility of what's going to happen and I'm treated as the Debby Downer for thinking such a thing. You got to have negative with the positive and brace yourself for the chance of being wrong.

That's such a close minded way of thinking. Porky and Sylux don't have Spirits so they have a decent chance of being a possibility.

Those are not going to happen. People only started bring up Porky because there was no Spirit. We know next to nothing about Sylux, wait until Prime 4 is done for that character to be viable again.

I'm not saying spirits deconfirm characters, but spirits deconfirm characters

This isn't a chicken or the egg scenario. Sakurai didn't sit down and say "Okay, let's go pick all the characters that I don't want to include and make them into Spirits and Assist Trophies first." No, they talked about how many fighter they can include, choose which characters are going to take those slots and when that is finalized they took all the other characters and gave them different roles like Spirit and Assist Trophies because there was no other plans for them. What part of that is so hard to grasp? The fact that they planned this stuff out. It's not Sakurai coming out and saying "Oh Geno can't be a fighter because we included that png file of him. That's it, I can't do any more, my hands are tied," it's actually this "Look guys, I'm sorry but we didn't have any plans of making Geno playable at this time. As a consolation here's a Legendary Spirit of him. Cool, right?"

If there's another Fighter Pass or DLC those Spirits aren't going to hold anything back. But as of now this was all planned out. They're not backstage trying to figure out who's going to be the fourth or fifth fighter, THEY ALREADY KNEW WHO THEY'RE GOING TO BE! Why is this concept so difficult for people to understand?

 

[link2702]

I swear if Starling = Starly...I will be kind of bummed if it is Gen 4 announcement. However, I love Gen 4, but it just feels weird.

That’s something that’s been nagging me about the bird...I kept worrying it was pkmn related, but I thought it dealt with maybe them announcing something related to sword and shield, i never thought that it might be an obscure reference to them releasing a remake of the gen that had a bird pkmn loosely based on real life starlings...

 

[AugustusB]

Got back from work. While last night left me slightly disappointed, I'm not willing to give up yet. The Mii Fighter costume being missing was a pretty big deal for us, and we've yet to see the last two fighters revealed. Also, the news of the Pokemon Direct is probably not what Sabi's source is talking about.

Not if it is a Gen 4 remake announcement. It makes no sense to me for the Pokemon company to make that announcement yet, but it could happen. We will have to wait and see.

 

[Icewolff92]

Got back from work. While last night left me slightly disappointed, I'm not willing to give up yet. The Mii Fighter costume being missing was a pretty big deal for us, and we've yet to see the last two fighters revealed. Also, the news of the Pokemon Direct is probably not what Sabi's source is talking about.

Sabi said on her discord that it could be about Pokemon which MomijiInubashiri630 posted a screenshot of

https://smashboards.com/threads/gen...how-on-the-road-geno-dlc.446378/post-23480776

In cause, the link doesn¨t work its page 1214 the second post on that page.

Plus he has leaked about Pokemon before after all

 

[Bee Card]

Have a feeling I missed something really big... Can someone sum up the recent developments? The bird is indeed a Smash hint, wasn't it?

We don't know lol ^^

 

[BZL8]

We don't know lol ^^

The mystery deepens, I suppose.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I guess we'll have to see. I'm leaning towards "this ain't it, chief" because all his hints have pertained to Directs and this appears to be just another info drop. Either way, we should pay attention because if it's starling free, it certainly narrows things down, especially with Fire Emblem being totally crossed off in the past couple of days.

 

[MattX20]

Sabi said on her discord that it could be about Pokemon which MomijiInubashiri630 posted a screenshot of.

In cause, the link doesn¨t work its page 1214 the second post on that page.

Plus he has leaked about Pokemon before after all

Again, that's Sabi's guess and not what her source confirmed. As Fatman has stated, the group openly resents Sword and Shield

 

[AugustusB]

This Pokemon direct coming up is in line with the guys time frame, more or less. Yet the tweet calls out Galar trainers. I am assuming it is just Sword and Shield news. Maybe a Galar version of Starly will be shown...maybe not.

EDIT: Icewolff92 but those games have the dates all the same. Announcement of said game early in the year (February or March) then releases in November. It would overshadow SW and Sh. It makes no sense.

 

[Icewolff92]

Not if it is a Gen 4 remake announcement. It makes no sense to me for the Pokemon company to make that announcement yet, but it could happen. We will have to wait and see.

Well, unfortunately, it fits the patterns of release dates so to speak. And Gamefreak/Pokemon Company hasn¨t exactly being the smartest with PR right now

Pokemon X/Y- Released in 2013
OR/AS - Released in 2014
S/M - Released in 2016
US/UM - Released in 2017

Again, that's Sabi's guess and not what her source confirmed. As Fatman has stated, the group openly resents Sword and Shield

That doesn¨t mean it won¨t be... especially when he has leaked Pokemon stuff before.

 

[Loog]

I guess we'll have to see. I'm leaning towards "this ain't it, chief" because all his hints have pertained to Directs and this appears to be just another info drop. Either way, we should pay attention because if it's starling free, it certainly narrows things down, especially with Fire Emblem being totally crossed off in the past couple of days.

Hey when it comes to those images when that nintendo source drops them out. do they usually look as specific as starling and the witch puzzle thing?

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

This Pokemon direct coming up is in line with the guys time frame, more or less. Yet the tweet calls out Galar trainers. I am assuming it is just Sword and Shield news. Maybe a Galar version of Starly will be shown...maybe not.

Or maybe a new Starling bird will be a thing.

 

[MomijiInubashiri630]

Hi guys, just woke up, wow the screenshot I shared really helped didn't it lol. Anyway, I am open to the Starling being Pokemon, but....why would Starly be hint worthy, might I ask? What's so special about 1 single Pokemon that barely anyone talks about being hinted. That's...a major downgrade from the hype of his past hints.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

This Pokemon direct coming up is in line with the guys time frame, more or less. Yet the tweet calls out Galar trainers. I am assuming it is just Sword and Shield news. Maybe a Galar version of Starly will be shown...maybe not.

Think about that though. Would a Galar form of Starly be worth hinting at a month in advance? After the last couple hints have been a Link’s Awakening full remake and Banjo mother****ing Kazooie in Smash? Yeah I don’t buy it.

I’ll certainly be tuning in because once Pokemon is ruled out, there is basically only one option left....

 

[link2702]

The more I think of it, the more likely this sounds. Especially given how obscure the blue crab reference was. I hate to say it everyone but i think we might have come to the wrong conclusion for the starling, I’m starting to think it absolutely had nothing to do with smash or geno, but a Pokemon remake.


Now don’t be discouraged though, the lack of the Mii Costume, and everything else that’s been discussed constantly from the beginning, still show geno having a great chance to get in, I just think we might have wasted our time with the bird...

 

[MattX20]

Well, unfortunately, it fits the patterns of release dates so to speak. And

That doesn¨t mean it won¨t be... especially when he has leaked Pokemon stuff before.

You forget one other thing. When the source hinted Pokemon before, it was 3 Pokeballs. He wasn't even trying to be subtle about it.

 

[Vector Victor]

I'm starting to think that the Starling picture is connected to a Gen 4 remake now. While Pokemon announced Sword and Shield details are coming (which lines up timing wise with the picture first coming out), then could easily announce a Gen 4 remake at their Direct (plus, its been some time since a Gen remake). Plus, a vague picture before was used to hint at a remake (crabs, Link's Awakening). Perhaps they pushed up the remake to counter all the bad press they have been getting with SwSh.


So, in the end, it was just a coincidence. The common bird in gen 4 having a star in its name and a remake announcement happening around the time Geno's costume is missing and character 4 could be potentially announced. Just a cruel coincidence.

 

[AugustusB]

Think about that though. Would a Galar form of Starly be worth hinting at a month in advance? After the last couple hints have been a Link’s Awakening full remake and Banjo mother****ing Kazooie in Smash? Yeah I don’t buy it.

I’ll certainly be tuning in because once Pokemon is ruled out, there is basically only one option left....

I am entertaining the thought of it. I highly doubt it is given Pokemons release history. It makes no sense to me personally so I agree with ya.

Can't wait for this to blow over.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I swear if Starling = Starly...I will be kind of bummed if it is Gen 4 announcement. However, I love Gen 4, but it just feels weird.

Why would they announce Gen 4 remakes before Sw and Sh even release? Imo its NOT pokemon

 

[Icewolff92]

You forget one other thing. When the source hinted Pokemon before, it was 3 Pokeballs. He wasn't even trying to be subtle about it.

And yet we have a picture of a Common Starling/European starling which doesn¨t have a not even subtle hint towards it no matter how much we which it where.. Do you know what Pokemon this could be a pun of (concidering we talk about potential pun being a sign towards him)? Starly from Pokemon Generation 4 which is the Pidgey of that generation.

 

[Paperchampion23]

And yet we have a picture of a Common Starling/European starling. Do you know what Pokemon this could be a pun of (concidering we talk about potential pun being a sign towards him)? Starly from Pokemon Generation 4 which is the Pidgey of that generation.

They wouldnt announce Gen 4 remakes before Gen 8 releases. It makes zero sense

 

[MattX20]

And yet we have a picture of a Common Starling/European starling. Do you know what Pokemon this could be a pun of (concidering we talk about potential pun being a sign towards him)? Starly from Pokemon Generation 4 which is the Pidgey of that generation.

If it were something like Pokemon, he probably would've just said it since as stated before, the group in the private Discord resent Sword and Shield, the source included. He has stated things were coming upfront before that he and the rest of the group had no interest in.

 

[Icewolff92]

If it were something like Pokemon, he probably would've just said it since as stated before, the group in the private Discord resent Sword and Shield, the source included. He has stated things were coming upfront before that he and the rest of the group had no interest in.

They wouldnt announce Gen 4 remakes before Gen 8 releases. It makes zero sense

I¨m just saying that with Sabi saying that this could be Pokemon, and the release of the announcement of the direct fits the timeframe with Sabis source... you get the idea. We all thought Geno on EVO or at least an announcement for a Smash character reveal that would turn out. Just because we don¨t like that scenario doesn¨t mean it won¨t happen. We shouldn¨t make that same mistake and just brush it all aside (or at the EVO cause, hype our self too much and act like its as confirmed as it can be).

 

[Loog]

And yet we have a picture of a Common Starling/European starling which doesn¨t have a not even subtle hint towards it no matter how much we which it where.. Do you know what Pokemon this could be a pun of (concidering we talk about potential pun being a sign towards him)? Starly from Pokemon Generation 4 which is the Pidgey of that generation.

You can technically argue the source might have not been thinking about pokemon when sending that image or maybe he really does want people to overthink every little detail about that picture but who am I to say.

 

[Vector Victor]

They wouldnt announce Gen 4 remakes before Gen 8 releases. It makes zero sense

True, but the Gamefreak never endured this level of bad press that SwSh is getting. Maybe it was so bad it threw them off and they are doing damage control. Perhaps the remakes are to support the shakey looking success of SwSh.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

I am entertaining the thought of it. I highly doubt it is given Pokemons release history. It makes no sense to me personally so I agree with ya.

Can't wait for this to blow over.

It’s certaintly worth entertaining of course. I more or less wanted to use you bringing it up as an opportunity to address the rest of the class as a whole.

Gen 4 remake idea is worth entertaining also, but A) it’s specifically labeled a Sword and Shield info drop and B) it wouldn’t make any sense to reveal a gen 4 remake right now when they have a huge new game dropping in a couple months. The remakes are always for filler years in between gens.

The more I think about this stuff the more solidified I feel right now about things looking good for us

 

[Antho]

Just woke up, kind of sad to see there was no announcement at EVO, but there’s still hope since there’s no mii costume. Anyways...
I feel like the Starling picture can not be Pokémon at all. As a huge Pokémon fan myself I don’t think they’ll even really do Galar forms. Gen 4 remakes won’t happen because it’s too insanely early for them. Game Freak’s working on 3 games I think. We’ll just have to wait and see though.
And, I still don’t understand why some people here are so insistent that Spirits deconfirm. I know that it could actually be a real argument, but think about it. Why did they include trophies of Mewtwo and Lucas then, when they were just planned to be DLC later? Considering that trophies do take a LOT MORE WORK then Spirits ever will (you have to import models, rig the models, implement the textures, type out a description, etc.) while Spirits are just putting in a .png file with an easy to code fight attached. If whoever was working on smash really cared about who the DLC was, wouldn’t they have gotten rid of the Mewtwo and Lucas trophies before release? You could argue it wasn’t planned that far in advance but we don’t even know when the Geno spirit was added. It’s also possible that Sakurai gave us the Geno spirit just so people didn’t think Geno was going to be a fighter, or to give Geno fans something while the fighter was being made and considered. A Mallow spirit without Geno would be really odd. That’s just my take on it though.

 

[Ovaltine]

Dear actual hell on Earth, this thread got awful really fast.

I'm not surprised there wasn't an announcement at EVO, and in fact, it's just what I'd expected. I'm not taken aback or downtrodden at all. After all, we still don't know what the starling means and we don't know why Geno's Mii costume is mysteriously absent, even with an Enix rep joining the fray. There is still some stuff that we don't know about that gives us hope for our star boy yet, so I don't know why the lack of EVO news was so soul-crushing to some of y'all. Relax. I wouldn't be so worried.

Also, I hope it's not a Gen 4 remake, not because it isn't Geno or because I dislike Gen 4, but because now is the worst time for them to do that. With SwSh still being finished, that's just spreading themselves too thin. With all of the issues SwSh have right now, I can only imagine how lackluster and rushed a Gen 4 remake would be. It wouldn't get the justice it deserved at this point in time. I'd honestly be irritated as all hell if they came up with that.

ETA: Forgot to mention, can we NOT with the toxic crap of ****ting on other fan bases and being generally venomous because of the lack of news last night? This is getting ridiculous. I hate to be so blunt, but this is just beyond immature. I'm flabbergasted at the way some of you behaved last night. C'mon, you're better than that.

 

[Icewolff92]

You can technically argue the source might have not been thinking about pokemon when sending that image or maybe he really does want people to overthink every little detail about that picture but who am I to say.

That's why I´m saying that just because we don¨t like a potential scenario doesn¨t mean it won¨t happen. Especially when this announcement fits the usual timeframe.

True, but the Gamefreak never endured this level of bad press that SwSh is getting. Maybe it was so bad it threw them off and they are doing damage control. Perhaps the remakes are to support the shakey looking success of SwSh.

Exactly. There has been a demand for a Diamon & Pearl remake for quite some time, so I can see them being desperate and use that as damage control. Especially after idiotic statement they recently released about the backlash.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Lets wait for the Pokemon Sword & Shield... whatever it's going to be called to pass by before we come to a conclusion.

 

[ChoccyStar]

According to this leak that called the direct date there's nothing that could be related to the birb picture, so if you guys still believe in it I wouldn't say it's pokemon related.

 

[Loog]

True, but the Gamefreak never endured this level of bad press that SwSh is getting. Maybe it was so bad it threw them off and they are doing damage control. Perhaps the remakes are to support the shakey looking success of SwSh.

That doesn't make a lot of business sense. that would potentially cut into sword and shields sales more if they announce such a thing and make them look unconfident about the game.

 

[Vector Victor]

That's why I´m saying that just because we don¨t like a potential scenario doesn¨t mean it won¨t happen. Especially when this announcement fits the usual timeframe.



Exactly. There has been a demand for a Diamon & Pearl remake for quite some time, so I can see them being desperate and use that as damage control. Especially after idiotic statement they recently released about the backlash.

Oh, did they dig themselves even deeper now?

Now watch it be a gen 4 remake and ONLY gen 4. As in, only gen 4 Pokemon will appear. So they can take the biggest complaint from SwSh and make it worse. Now they ticked off everyone!

 

[Icewolff92]

Oh, did they dig themselves even deeper now?

There was a statement a while back that basically said.. "we don¨t care, you will buy it anyway" in the most PR way possible.

According to this leak that called the direct date there's nothing that could be related to the birb picture, so if you guys still believe in it I wouldn't say it's pokemon related.

And leakers are known for spreading false information with the information they have to protect their sources. Jon from Gamxplain is a prime example of that. But I hope the leak is 100% correct. Like I¨ve always said. Expect the worse, hope for the best.

 

[Rohanx17]

Well an update on Pokemon, this is an interesting development. I wouldn't be mad if that's out ticket out of starlingville but somehow my gut feeling is this ain't it chief.

 

[ColtonS25]

Man, I wish I were still excited about Sword and Shield. Although that’s a discussion for another day, it’s still really got me down that I feel the way that I do about a franchise I loved so much. If anything regarding a starling is shown, I’d be impressed because honestly there isn’t anything convincing me that it’s even about Pokémon.

Knowing that the type of bird matters could be very good for us. With that, I’m optimistic that it could mean Geno. No use getting negative about something that was decided like 9 months ago, right?

 

[Paperchampion23]

According to this leak that called the direct date there's nothing that could be related to the birb picture, so if you guys still believe in it I wouldn't say it's pokemon related.

Not gonna lie, ill forgive Gamefreak if those Gen 2 Galar forms are true, as long as they coreect their mistakes with the next version (cause i refuse to buy this one if I cant tranfer my live dex)

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

We saw this entire board went up in flames last night because Nintendo didn't announce anything at EVO. I said that's a good possibility that was going to happen, that Nintendo was going to Nintendo. But no one wanted to believe that, no I was just being super pessimistic and looking for the worst. Then it happened. You can be positive, but a lot of times this board wants to dismiss ANY negative scenario like the thought that Nintendo wasn't going to announce anything special since they were closing EVO while everyone else announce something. No no no, only thoughts of "maybe a bonus fighter," is the only speculation that's allowed. I give out realistic possibility of what's going to happen and I'm treated as the Debby Downer for thinking such a thing. You got to have negative with the positive and brace yourself for the chance of being wrong.


Those are not going to happen. People only started bring up Porky because there was no Spirit. We know next to nothing about Sylux, wait until Prime 4 is done for that character to be viable again.


This isn't a chicken or the egg scenario. Sakurai didn't sit down and say "Okay, let's go pick all the characters that I don't want to include and make them into Spirits and Assist Trophies first." No, they talked about how many fighter they can include, choose which characters are going to take those slots and when that is finalized they took all the other characters and gave them different roles like Spirit and Assist Trophies because there was no other plans for them. What part of that is so hard to grasp? The fact that they planned this stuff out. It's not Sakurai coming out and saying "Oh Geno can't be a fighter because we included that png file of him. That's it, I can't do any more, my hands are tied," it's actually this "Look guys, I'm sorry but we didn't have any plans of making Geno playable at this time. As a consolation here's a Legendary Spirit of him. Cool, right?"

If there's another Fighter Pass or DLC those Spirits aren't going to hold anything back. But as of now this was all planned out. They're not backstage trying to figure out who's going to be the fourth or fifth fighter, THEY ALREADY KNEW WHO THEY'RE GOING TO BE! Why is this concept so difficult for people to understand?

That's a blatant disregard for the myriad people that kept their positivity while openly admitting that we might get nothing. You speak as if just because we don't want to hear a reminder every couple of pages, that means everyone completely disregards the possibility that things might not go our way. I'll say again, if speculation not going your way means you're going to have a meltdown, it's not a scene you should spend your time with, as it's only going to make you miserable.

And once again, you are making assumptions, a word which, in this context means: presenting a statement as fact with incomplete information. You can have all the circumstantial data you like, but none of these are hard facts. At best what you present is an educated guess. I'll be the first to admit that your statement has merit based on what we've seen so far, and is definitely worth consideration, but what annoys me is that you present it as immutable fact.

 

[Loog]

The whole evo thing honestly reminds me of the banjo thread during e3 time in terms of how some people flip flop.