Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Dynamic Worlok]

The whole evo thing honestly reminds me of the banjo thread during e3 time in terms of how some people flip flop.

It's a rollercoaster to be sure. No doubt about it

 

[Vector Victor]

The whole evo thing honestly reminds me of the banjo thread during e3 time in terms of how some people flip flop.

I can definitely see how this thread goes from optimistic to doomy doom in a snap of a finger. Seeing the potential that the starling could be a gen 4 reference with nothing concrete right now to counter it sucked the fun out of me.

I'm not even bummed that EVO didn't have anything as they never promised anything from the start. Although I think Nintendo wasted a good opportunity.

 

[SSGuy]

Okay I am back. Let's get this bread.

The more I think of it, the more likely this sounds. Especially given how obscure the blue crab reference was. I hate to say it everyone but i think we might have come to the wrong conclusion for the starling, I’m starting to think it absolutely had nothing to do with smash or geno, but a Pokemon remake.


Now don’t be discouraged though, the lack of the Mii Costume, and everything else that’s been discussed constantly from the beginning, still show geno having a great chance to get in, I just think we might have wasted our time with the bird...

If we can make it passed this wave of Pokemon news with no Gen 4 remakes then we will be good.

Considering Sw/Sh, Pokemon Home/Sleep and the mobile game are their focus for Pokemon atm

It seems unlikely a Gen 4 remake is in the works.

But who knows.

 

[Loog]

I can definitely see how this thread goes from optimistic to doomy doom in a snap of a finger. Seeing the potential that the starling could be a gen 4 reference with nothing concrete right now to counter it sucked the fun out of me.

I'm not even bummed that EVO didn't have anything as they never promised anything from the start. Although I think Nintendo wasted a good opportunity.

They did but it is more than likely they have other plans.

 

[valkiriforce]

Well, looks like I went to bed at the right time last night. Once again, wasn't expecting anything at EVO so wasn't surprised at all about it, and it just didn't seem like the right atmosphere for a character reveal anyway. I did however have fun watching the crazy matches taking place, so congrats to MKLeo for winning it at the end, though I'll admit I was just waiting for someone to outdo his winning streak. All the same, he did an amazing job and I congratulate all the players involved.

I don't actually have any of the Fighter's Pass DLC yet, but I'm thinking eventually I'll probably get Joker and play around with his character. He seems pretty cool even though I've never played a Persona game.

 

[SkeffVEVO]

Speaking of Pokemon... we have code red here
https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/1158362295245783040

There is a Pokemon direct in 2 days

It's not a direct though.

And leakers are known for spreading false information with the information they have to protect their sources. Jon from Gamxplain is a prime example of that. But I hope the leak is 100% correct. Like I¨ve always said. Expect the worse, hope for the best.

That's true but this is 4chan we're talking about, the website is designed for anonymous posting. Every other real 4chan Pokemon leak for Sw/Sh (And there are a lot) have had all their info be real. I'm not saying that you shouldn't temper your expectations and that you should believe this "leak" (I encourage people taking things like this with a grain of salt and I personally don't believe this "leak"), I'm just saying that no other big 4chan Pokemon leak for this game has been that way.

 

[Datboigeno]

Tbh I completely forgot about Starly’s existence until people just brought it up. But yeah it really does seem way too soon to announce Gen 4 remakes. I would more expect that to happen a year or so after SW/SH releases. If it is that it wouldn’t be the absolute worst thing because we still have no Geno costume. But really I can’t think of a time where Nintendo announced a remake before a Gen was already released. I’d think that announcement could hurt the sales of SW/SH which really isn’t doing too hot in terms of word of mouth to begin with.

 

[wynn728]

That's a blatant disregard for the myriad people that kept their positivity while openly admitting that we might get nothing. You speak as if just because we don't want to hear a reminder every couple of pages, that means everyone completely disregards the possibility that things might not go our way. I'll say again, if speculation not going your way means you're going to have a meltdown, it's not a scene you should spend your time with, as it's only going to make you miserable.

And once again, you are making assumptions, a word which, in this context means: presenting a statement as fact with incomplete information. You can have all the circumstantial data you like, but none of these are hard facts. At best what you present is an educated guess. I'll be the first to admit that your statement has merit based on what we've seen so far, and is definitely worth consideration, but what annoys me is that you present it as immutable fact.

I say it that way because it is a fact. There's so much that tells you that Spirits aren't going to be playable, such as the way Sakurai says that each Spirit is the real character that lost their body to Galeem. He gave an in-universe explanation of what Spirits are which are the real characters. That's why he boasted Spirits as a way to include so many characters, because with trophies they're just figurines that you can pick up and play with (which with an answer like that they could make a trophy playable because in that universe every character is just a toy that someone is playing with, so they could just grab one of the many trophies they have and just let that become playable) while Spirits are the real characters. With all the stuff that Sakurai said about Spirits we can take it all as a fact that they're not becoming playable anytime soon.

 

[Loog]

I don't think it's too hard to predict that the next fighter will probably be shown off in an upcoming direct. even with the pokemon event happening I can still see something, especially given how weird they can be with showing new info and then regurgitating that same info like they did with e3 but who knows

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

True, but the Gamefreak never endured this level of bad press that SwSh is getting. Maybe it was so bad it threw them off and they are doing damage control. Perhaps the remakes are to support the shakey looking success of SwSh.

Thing is, it's only shaky press online. Where it actually matters in terms of copies sold won't change that much. The Disney remakes are generally hated on the internet and they still make mad money.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

I say it that way because it is a fact. There's so much that tells you that Spirits aren't going to be playable, such as the way Sakurai says that each Spirit is the real character that lost their body to Galeem. He gave an in-universe explanation of what Spirits are which are the real characters. That's why he boasted Spirits as a way to include so many characters, because with trophies they're just figurines that you can pick up and play with (which with an answer like that they could make a trophy playable because in that universe every character is just a toy that someone is playing with, so they could just grab one of the many trophies they have and just let that become playable) while Spirits are the real characters. With all the stuff that Sakurai said about Spirits we can take it all as a fact that they're not becoming playable anytime soon.

Then you, my friend have a flawed understanding of just what a fact is. Without hard evidence *IE: a direct statement from a member of staff that spirits cannot and will not become playable characters* your statement is just... And say it with me now... An assumption.

And hell, allow me to prevent further misconstruing of my statement by saying that you very well might be right. However, there is nothing in your statement that proves beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt that what you posit is 100 percent the case.

 

[Loog]

I say it that way because it is a fact. There's so much that tells you that Spirits aren't going to be playable, such as the way Sakurai says that each Spirit is the real character that lost their body to Galeem. He gave an in-universe explanation of what Spirits are which are the real characters. That's why he boasted Spirits as a way to include so many characters, because with trophies they're just figurines that you can pick up and play with (which with an answer like that they could make a trophy playable because in that universe every character is just a toy that someone is playing with, so they could just grab one of the many trophies they have and just let that become playable) while Spirits are the real characters. With all the stuff that Sakurai said about Spirits we can take it all as a fact that they're not becoming playable anytime soon.

I still consider spirits not being playable more of a fan rule. is there a reason why no one brings up mewtwo or lucas given they were trophies first before characters or is that just something people ignore?

 

[YsDisciple]

Just a reminder that, in regards to Geno's chances; the absence of his Mii costume so far is a point in favor (as it may also be against), but nonetheless the true deadline that will reveal to us whether he's in or not is February 2020. For the sake of maintaining an orderly schedule, I'm inclined to believe that the reveals will continue in order of the Fighter Pass, and any bonus fighter would came afterwards (i.e. after Fighter #5 is revealed/released). Last night I accepted the salt into my veins, but I still remain hopeful.

 

[Deleted member]

I still consider spirits more of a fan rule. is there a reason why no one brings up mewtwo or lucas give they were trophies first before characters or is that just something people ignore?

They were veterans in past games and trophies are different than spirits. That's what I kept seeing people say.

 

[ZelDan]

Honestly, I just had the crazy idea that maybe it is pokemon related but it doesn't have anything to do with Sw/Sh, Gen 4 remakes, or Smash.

For all we know maybe there's a Pokken fighter 2 happening and Corviknight is one of the fighters. He is a black bird and comes from a region based on the UK (ie european)...

I'm not exactly willing to take this idea that seriously though as I'm not even sure if Pokken Fighter was even that big or successful of a game on the Wii U or Switch.

Edit: oh yeah and apparently the type of bird actually was considered so, that there's that too which kinda makes this more moot I think.

This was an idea that popped up in my head before EVO since I figured a fighting game would makes sense to talk about during EVO, and Pokken would fit that bill, but that didn't happen either anyway.

Again, not a serious theory on my part, just a funny little thing that popped into my mind before Smash EVO.

Edit 2: well this was one of my more jumbled and random posts. Would have probably put it together better if I didn't have to go to work soon. Oh well. >_>

 

[FalconFire93]

Despite no reveal for any character last night, I’m still remaining kinda optimistic about things because Hero just released and I knew it would be too soon and never got my hopes up.

 

[Loog]

They were veterans in past games and trophies are different than spirits. That's what I kept seeing people say.

That doesn't really answer the question though why does being a veteran suddenly change things they clearly were not planned and how are trophies that much different?

 

[DutchPichu]

Maybe Geno will be of a different series than Mario; due to the different characters. They can get away with giving Geno his own full series.

 

[Deleted member]

That doesn't really answer the question though why does being a veteran suddenly change things and how are trophies that much different?

They said you can't use Mewtwo or Lucas as a counterpoint because they've been in past games and are first party, and "OH WELL YOU COULDN'T USE TROPHIES TO FIGHT"

 

[Doctor Lucky]

I say it that way because it is a fact. There's so much that tells you that Spirits aren't going to be playable, such as the way Sakurai says that each Spirit is the real character that lost their body to Galeem. He gave an in-universe explanation of what Spirits are which are the real characters. That's why he boasted Spirits as a way to include so many characters, because with trophies they're just figurines that you can pick up and play with (which with an answer like that they could make a trophy playable because in that universe every character is just a toy that someone is playing with, so they could just grab one of the many trophies they have and just let that become playable) while Spirits are the real characters. With all the stuff that Sakurai said about Spirits we can take it all as a fact that they're not becoming playable anytime soon.

Except you can't say that as fact because it isn't. It's a very safe assumption to be made and very likely to be true given the evidence you've provided but it's in no way, shape, or form a fact. Unless we get some sort of direct statement saying "Characters who are spirits are unable to become fighters/fighter spirits" we can only "assume" that characters who are spirits have a low/no chance of becoming a fighter due to them already being represented as the spirits.

And what is Geno but a spirit inhabiting a puppet already?

 

[MisterMike]

Well, it's so nice to see everyone in high spirits!
I kid, but know that it's definitely not over just yet. So long as his costume doesn't make it in, he's still got a chance.

Speaking of Pokemon... we have code red here
https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/1158362295245783040

There is a Pokemon direct in 2 days

Oh boy, I can't wait.
I'll probably do a reaction video to this, but goddamn will it be hard to get excited after everything that's gone down.

According to this leak that called the direct date there's nothing that could be related to the birb picture, so if you guys still believe in it I wouldn't say it's pokemon related.

Spoiler: >mfw 4chan leak

Honestly, this sounds exactly like the kind of **** they'd show off in a direct like this. Not gonna lie, but a fire ant Pokemon and a pig-pixie Pokemon would be pretty dope. Also,

Spoiler: I can't believe we're getting a Pokemon (Eternatus) based on this:

 

[MattX20]

Again, I hesitate to think the source's hint is indeed a Pokemon reference. Given that the source has made it clear he's not particularly fond of the direction the games are going right now, I seriously doubt the starling posted over 3 weeks ago now is a reference to a Pokemon info drop or a reference to Starly and its evolution line.

 

[Deleted member]

Except you can't say that as fact because it isn't. It's a very safe assumption to be made and very likely to be true given the evidence you've provided but it's in no way, shape, or form a fact. Unless we get some sort of direct statement saying "Characters who are spirits are unable to become fighters/fighter spirits" we can only "assume" that characters who are spirits have a low/no chance of becoming a fighter due to them already being represented as the spirits.

And what is Geno but a spirit inhabiting a puppet already?

But I don't think spirits disconfirm though.

 

[Icewolff92]

Except you can't say that as fact because it isn't. It's a very safe assumption to be made and very likely to be true given the evidence you've provided but it's in no way, shape, or form a fact. Unless we get some sort of direct statement saying "Characters who are spirits are unable to become fighters/fighter spirits" we can only "assume" that characters who are spirits have a low/no chance of becoming a fighter due to them already being represented as the spirits.

And what is Geno but a spirit inhabiting a puppet already?

With all due respect... while spirits being de-confirmed might be a "fan theory" (I¨m on the unsure side myself) the origin of the characters has nothing to do if he get¨s playable or not. That if anything is a huge stretch

 

[ZelDan]

Again, I hesitate to think the source's hint is indeed a Pokemon reference. Given that the source has made it clear he's not particularly fond of the direction the games are going right now, I seriously doubt the starling posted over 3 weeks ago now is a reference to a Pokemon info drop or a reference to Starly and its evolution line.

He might not be fond of Sw.Sh's direction, but that doesn't mean he might not still be fond of Pokemon in general, if maybe the pic is meant to hint at something else Pokemon-related.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

With all due respect... while spirits being de-confirmed might be a "fan theory" (I¨m on the unsure side myself) the origin of the characters has nothing to do if he get¨s playable or not. That if anything is a huge stretch

I'm fairly certain the last portion of that statement was meant to be a little tongue in cheek, though I could be wrong. That's the way I read it, anyway

 

[Loog]

They said you can't use Mewtwo or Lucas as a counterpoint because they've been in past games and are first party, and "OH WELL YOU COULDN'T USE TROPHIES TO FIGHT"

That is a rather weak argument and If were going by the idea that spirits are added cuz they were not planning to add the character then that should sort of apply to trophies to some degree. I mean yeah fine spirits boost your character and all but that doesn't really mean anything when it comes to whether or not a character will be added. Even them being veteran shouldn't mean much since I feel it doesn't explain much to why they would be added if they were made trophies already.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

He might not be fond of Sw.Sh's direction, but that doesn't mean he might not still be fond of Pokemon in general, if maybe the pic is meant to hint at something else Pokemon-related.

I think, Going by what fatman stated previously, if it was something the group at large was disappointed with, he'd dispense with the playful hints and just tell them.
Though It is possible that it could be some pokemon related bombshell that everyone would be pleased with. (Something I think we could all use, given the current state of it)

 

[wynn728]

Then you, my friend have a flawed understanding of just what a fact is. Without hard evidence *IE: a direct statement from a member of staff that spirits cannot and will not become playable characters* your statement is just... And say it with me now... An assumption.

And hell, allow me to prevent further misconstruing of my statement by saying that you very well might be right. However, there is nothing in your statement that proves beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt that what you posit is 100 percent the case.

I'm taking quotes from Sakurai on why Spirits aren't going to be playable in the Fighters Pass. I'm not saying they're never going to be playable, if they decided to do a Season 2 I'm more than positive that characters that are Spirits, Mii Costumes & Assist Trophies will see a second chance, but just not for this current Fighters Pass.

 

[Loog]

I'm taking quotes from Sakurai on why Spirits aren't going to be playable in the Fighters Pass. I'm not saying they're never going to be playable, if they decided to do a Season 2 I'm more than positive that characters that are Spirits, Mii Costumes & Assist Trophies will see a second chance, but just not for this current Fighters Pass.

honestly for better or for worse smash team will add whatever they want whether a character is a spirit or not

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

I'm taking quotes from Sakurai on why Spirits aren't going to be playable in the Fighters Pass. I'm not saying they're never going to be playable, if they decided to do a Season 2 I'm more than positive that characters that are Spirits, Mii Costumes & Assist Trophies will see a second chance, but just not for this current Fighters Pass.

Except sakurai has never directly stated that spirits will never be playable in the fighters pass. If there's a quote that we've somehow missed during all these months of speculation that makes that statement directly, then by all means, I implore you to present it so we can shift our speculation to how geno will not be getting into smash. I guarantee you there's a non zero amount of other threads that would like this evidence too

 

[Doctor Lucky]

With all due respect... while spirits being de-confirmed might be a "fan theory" (I¨m on the unsure side myself) the origin of the characters has nothing to do if he get¨s playable or not. That if anything is a huge stretch

That last bit regarding Geno was said in jest, I don't think in the slightest that a character's origin plays any part in their potential inclusion to Smash.

I'm taking quotes from Sakurai on why Spirits aren't going to be playable in the Fighters Pass. I'm not saying they're never going to be playable, if they decided to do a Season 2 I'm more than positive that characters that are Spirits, Mii Costumes & Assist Trophies will see a second chance, but just not for this current Fighters Pass.

But you did say they aren't going to be playable.

I say it that way because it is a fact. There's so much that tells you that Spirits aren't going to be playable, such as the way Sakurai says that each Spirit is the real character that lost their body to Galeem.

And yes, I am aware that you also said "they're not going to be playable any time soon" but you did in fact, say that they "aren't going to be playable".

 

[wynn728]

I still consider spirits not being playable more of a fan rule. is there a reason why no one brings up mewtwo or lucas given they were trophies first before characters or is that just something people ignore?

Okay, during Smash Bros 3DS & Wii U they weren't too sure if they were going to make DLC, so when they worked on the trophies they just filled it up with as much as they can. One month after 3DS release they announce that they will work on DLC by showing an incomplete Mewtwo model. That was show in October and took like seven months for Mewtwo to release. They state that it take 10 months for a character to be made, so Mewtwo was decided on very late in development when the Mewtwo Trophy was already created. Since each trophy is a 3D Model with a description it took a good amount of time to make when compare to Spirits which were just grab the first thing you saw on Google Image and program the battle which took extremely less time. They could throw away a Spirit if they wanted to since it took nothing to make, in fact we have seen Spirits get thrown away before in the datamine, but Trophies took a lot of time to make. There's no way they're throwing away all that work just because they're making that character into a Fighter.

Also in-lore explanation for trophies are that they're just figures, not the characters. Smash Bros is a story of playing with toys, so it stands reason to believe that someone can just grab many of the figures they and play with that. Spirits are the actual characters that lost their body to Galeem and are unable to return to the real world to join the rest of the fighters (a real quote from Sakurai). That implies that they have a plan with Spirits hence why they won't be playable in the current Fighters Pass.

 

[Firox]

Speaking of Pokemon... we have code red here
https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/1158362295245783040

There is a Pokemon direct in 2 days

Yay! Ten bucks says it's more apologies and bold-faced lies from Gamefreak about why we're so entitled for wanting all our favorite pokemon included in the game. "Great news everyone! You still don't get to keep your Mega evolutions or legacy teams, but you can use this awesome new Gigantamax form of Ratata! Rejoice, for even in death, you are all still children of Thanos! Amen!"

 

[Datboigeno]

Something I’ve been wondering for months now: Why has no games journalist just straight up asked Sakurai to confirm/deny if spirits deconfirm characters? It’s clearly something people are divided on because the statement was pretty vague. It just seems like something people should want clarity on.

 

[xpnc]

The thing about a hint is that it needs to be something you can actually guess. If it was supposed to reference a new Pokemon, there is no way we'd be able to figure it out. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the last time he posted a hint for Pokemon, it was just three pokeballs. Link's Awakening has its sandcrab enemies and I don't think a picture of a bear needs much explanation.

It was always possible to guess what the hint was pointing at before, albeit with varying levels of obscurity. If this were a hint to a Pokemon we'd never seen before, how were we expected to guess it? No, that doesn't make sense. The ambassador doesn't even like what he's seen of SW/SH. This is 100% Smash related.

 

[SuperMrpingpong]

Porkybro passing through .
Sorry things didn’t go your way, hopefully something comes of Geno soon.
But hey, if it makes your feel any better, at least he actually has a spirit in the game already, unlike a certain Pork boi...

Keep your head up friends

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Yay! Ten bucks says it's more apologies and bold-faced lies from Gamefreak about why we're so entitled for wanting all our favorite pokemon included in the game. "Great news everyone! You still don't get to keep your Mega evolutions or legacy team, but you can use this awesome new Gigantamax form of Ratata! Rejoice, for even in death, you are all still children of Thanos! Amen!"

Ebony Maw and the Black Order should've had bigger roles

 

[Doctor Lucky]

Something I’ve been wondering for months now: Why has no games journalist just straight up asked Sakurai to confirm/deny if spirits deconfirm characters? It’s clearly something people are divided on because the statement was pretty vague. It just seems like something people should want clarity on.

It could be a number of things, like maybe most journalists don't have much of a leg in the "new Smash fighter" race, or that questions are screened before hand and Nintendo doesn't want that question answered and purposefully kept vague for whatever reasons they'd have.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Something I’ve been wondering for months now: Why has no games journalist just straight up asked Sakurai to confirm/deny if spirits deconfirm characters? It’s clearly something people are divided on because the statement was pretty vague. It just seems like something people should want clarity on.

even if they did, it's doubtful they'd get a straight answer.
It'd be bad business sense to rip that bandaid off and risk a large amount of people writing off the fighter's pass as a lost cause. As long as you keep people paying attention, you increase your potential sales exponentially.