Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Firox]

I never said I didn't like her character. I meant for the general opinion of FE. I actually really enjoy a bit of their characters, especially due to Smash. I also apologise, as I should have worded that phrasing better. It was certainly an over exaggeration. Perhaps you too may not need to jump to conclusions and look at it from all angles. Ok, I'm merely joking there, so don't take any offense.

Don't worry, Dude, it's all good. I'm just trying to figure this stuff out. I'm one of those people that when I've got a puzzle, I just can't let it go until I solve it. That's why I love escape rooms. Nothing is more satisfying than figuring out the right answer.

 

[Icewolff92]

Can we all agree to that with each other that we should be open for all possibilities? Hope for the best, expect the worst so to speak?

 

[Zema]

Hello, i'm new here.
What are you exactly talking about? I don't follow it...

A leaker known for posting cryptic images recently posted an image of a bird on top of a rooftop. This leaker has done similar things in the past, and leaked Link's Awakening and Banjo and Kazooie in similar images... albeit the Banjo and Kazooie one was much more direct.

We're currently speculating who (or what) the image is supposed to represent. We don't even know if it's specifically for Smash, unless I'm mistaken on that point.

 

[Nicnac]

Quick sidenote: Nintendo gave Sakurai a list of fighters for DLC, and he chose for the final cut. I also think he said he only put Chrom in because he was heavily requested. With that said I don't think Sakurai would put in ANOTHER FE fighter, especially from a game that isn't even out in a coveted DLC slot.

EDIT: Someone might bring up Corrin, but iirc Nintendo twisted Sakurai's wrist there. It's also a whole new season of speculation.

 

[Firox]

Man, though, what happened to the good old days when leakers just outright said who the freaking next character was instead of trying to play the Riddler?

EDIT for Nicnac: The whole "Nintendo gave Sakurai a list of fighters that he himself approved" is not technically fact. There is no evidence I know of that corroborates this idea. It is simply the most widely accepted theory based on the testimony of Atlas that claimed that Sakurai was personally responsible for Joker's inclusion. The claim that Sakurai instigated Joker directly conflicted with Sakurai's own words that corporate would be deciding the DLC. Assuming both parties were telling the truth, then the "list" theory is the only rational option. Just wanted to put that out there for anyone that didn't know.

 

[MissingGlitch]

A thought occurred to me. What if the hint we're supposed to take away from the pic isn't starling, but the fact it's European? It could be a hint to Layton

I heavily doubt they would go with Layton before Phoenix.

 

[Datboigeno]

Can we all agree to that with each other that we should be open for all possibilities? Hope for the best, expect the worst so to speak?

I mean, if people don’t agree with the logic behind a certain possibility they have every right to say why said possibility seems unlikely to them.

Man, though, what happened to the good old days when leakers just outright said who the freaking next character was instead of trying to play the Riddler?

Legal ramifications

 

[EarlTamm]

Man, though, what happened to the good old days when leakers just outright said who the freaking next character was instead of trying to play the Riddler?

Because I think everyone secretly wants to be a Batman villain.

I mean, if people don’t agree with the logic behind a certain possibility they have every right to say why said possibility seems unlikely to them.



Legal ramifications

Of course, but I think they mean that everything should at least be entertained before throwing it to the side.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

So, what are our options, Dr Strange? We have:
Geno for Smash (Possible to a degree)
Edelgard for Smash (Possible to a degree)
Smash Fighter #4 (Possible to a degree)
Unannounced project (Possible to a degree)
Three Houses Content (unlikely due to possible pattern break by leaker)
Pokemon Sword and Shield Content (unlikely due to possible pattern break by leaker)

Anything else I should add??

 

[T2by4]

Man, though, what happened to the good old days when leakers just outright said who the freaking next character was instead of trying to play the Riddler?

Ninteninjas that's what happened.

 

[osby]

EDIT: Someone might bring up Corrin, but iirc Nintendo twisted Sakurai's wrist there. It's also a whole new season of speculation.

They didn't, it was a request from development team.

 

[MattX20]

I heavily doubt they would go with Layton before Phoenix.

As much as I would like Phoenix, I'm not sure if Capcom will get another rep this round. Level 5 is a major supporter of Nintendo, especially during the DS/3DS eras. They've been on excellent terms with the company, and Layton's series has remained on Nintendo platforms. That, and you have to remember that Level 5 is one of the last really big developers in Japan that doesn't have content in Smash.

 

[Icewolff92]

I mean, if people don’t agree with the logic behind a certain possibility they have every right to say why said possibility seems unlikely to them.

What EarlTamm said.

So, what are our options, Dr Strange? We have:
Geno for Smash (Possible to a degree)
Edelgard for Smash (Possible to a degree)
Smash Fighter #4 (Possible to a degree)
Unannounced project (Possible to a degree)
Three Houses Content (unlikely due to possible pattern break by leaker)
Pokemon Sword and Shield Content (unlikely due to possible pattern break by leaker)

Anything else I should add??

Not what I can think of

 

[Datboigeno]

Because I think everyone secretly wants to be a Batman villain.

Of course, but I think they mean that everything should at least be entertained before throwing it to the side.

But what does “entertained” mean in this context? To say “Yeah, it could be literally any character in existence” if in reality it can’t be? To not outright disagree with someone’s reasoning?

As much as I would like Phoenix, I'm not sure if Capcom will get another rep this round. Level 5 is a major supporter of Nintendo, especially during the DS/3DS eras. They've been on excellent terms with the company, and Layton's series has remained on Nintendo platforms. That, and you have to remember that Level 5 is one of the last really big developers in Japan that doesn't have content in Smash.

If anything getting another Capcom rep makes more sense than not. Capcom of any third party has the biggest library of iconic franchises/characters, has mii costumes that haven’t shown up yet, and has a strong history with Smash. Layton isn’t as requested as someone as Phoenix and the series isn’t as big a franchise as Resident Evil for example. Just because a developer has close ties with Nintendo doesn’t mean they have a great shot either though (see Rayman/Ubisoft).

 

[TheCJBrine]

The bird could be for Edelgard, but it’s not black, it’s noticeably brown with a bit of green, and what seems like purple in some other images.

It’s also possible the house roof doesn’t even matter, as the bird is the main focus; and as was brought up before by one of y’all, why not use a birdhouse instead?

Though I guess it could still be for Edelgard as much as it could be for Geno. I’m not so sure this dude would’ve dug deep into what Starlings stand for, though. For Geno, “Starling” could be a sort of pun.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

But what does “entertained” mean in this context? To say “Yeah, it could be literally any character in existence” if in reality it can’t be? To not outright disagree with someone’s reasoning?



If anything getting another Capcom rep makes more sense than not. Capcom of any third party has the biggest library of iconic franchises/characters, has mii costumes that haven’t shown up yet, and has a strong history with Smash. Layton isn’t as requested as someone as Phoenix and the series isn’t as big a franchise as Resident Evil for example. Just because a developer has close ties with Nintendo doesn’t mean they have a great shot either though (see Rayman/Ubisoft).

Amaterasu would be a pretty unique choice for a Capcom rep. I imagine Sakurai would appreciate the art style, as he is a man who enjoys beautiful and good games.

 

[EarlTamm]

But what does “entertained” mean in this context? To say “Yeah, it could be literally any character in existence” if in reality it can’t be? To not outright disagree with someone’s reasoning?

To give more value to it than outright dismissing it and nothing else. To give good reason for disagreeing with it and to let someone argue their case. That is what I meant when I said "entertained".

 

[Icewolff92]

The bird could be for Edelgard, but it’s not black, it’s noticeably brown with a bit of green, and what seems like purple in some other images.

It’s also possible the house roof doesn’t even matter, as the bird is the main focus; and as was brought up before by one of y’all, why not use a birdhouse instead?

Though I guess it could still be for Edelgard as much as it could be for Geno. I’m not so sure this dude would’ve dug deep into what Starlings stand for, though. For Geno, “Starling” could be a sort of pun.

That's the problem. The only thing that can give us an answer is to wait.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

Yeah, you could easily put that one guy from Wolfenstein, right?


We are currently discussing the DLC possibilities of Geno and Eldegard, as well a mysterious image that was dropped of a bird called a European Starling on a the roof of a house.

Not Edelgard again...
That's a leak or something?
EDIT:

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Not Edelgard again...
That's a leak or something?
EDIT:

Sort of. It's complicated

 

[wynn728]

As for point number two, you're trying to use your own logic and bias to determine the character, and we know that those things don't work on Sakurai. Just when you think you have the next character nailed down 1000%, he gives you something like PP to completely flip the chess board. While I totally agree with you that Byleth makes more sense, Byleth has no direct connection to the picture clue. I'm just trying to find a correlation to the clue, and as far as I can see, the only candidate that fits the literal picture is Edelgard. AGAIN, I don't want her, but she seems to fit better than Geno at the moment.

And people are using their own bias to say that Edelgard is the Three House rep. If that picture was suppose to represent Edelgard then why not post a picture of an eagle on a house instead? I don't see any real reason why it's going to be Edelgard when we all know that Byleth is playable. Also this bird on a house picture doesn't have to relate to Smash Bros. It could be something else, but if we want to say this picture is Smash Bros related then there's other characters that could fit it more than Edelgard such as Velvet Crow.

 

[AugustusB]

I think it is nice to entertain every possible outcome, but there is a double-edge effect to this as well. From what I have seen, some just do not want to entertain some thoughts. When that happens, some continue to entertain it. In turn, a loop is created where no new ground is broken. Just stuck on repeat until one side either gives in or continues.

That being said, things have been pretty civil. (Comparing this to the 'plant that shall not be named' talk)

 

[Icewolff92]

Not Edelgard again...
That's a leak or something?

TLDR Sabis main source posted a picture of a bear and a bird on their private discord a week or so before Banjo & Kazooie were revealed. Now, this same source posted this picture. Then a discussion started about if it could be Geno or Edelgard because of several different reasons like the symbol of the bird and well bird on a house (see Black Eagle in Three Houses)

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

I think it is nice to entertain every possible outcome, but there is a double-edge effect to this as well. From what I have seen, some just do not want to entertain some thoughts. When that happens, some continue to entertain it. In turn, a loop is created where no new ground is broken. Just stuck on repeat until one side either gives in or continues.

That being said, things have been pretty civil. (Comparing this to the 'plant that shall not be named' talk)

Lol, that's what I called it when I was discussing spirits earlier

Let's tease a concept here. What if this is teasing something like a Kirby or Pikmin direct? I know that's really obscure, to be honest, but what if it is a new game or IP we haven't seen yet. My jokey guess: Angry Birds is getting an RPG with Fire Emblem.

 

[EarlTamm]

I think it is nice to entertain every possible outcome, but there is a double-edge effect to this as well. From what I have seen, some just do not want to entertain some thoughts. When that happens, some continue to entertain it. In turn, a loop is created where no new ground is broken. Just stuck on repeat until one side either gives in or continues.

That being said, things have been pretty civil. (Comparing this to the 'plant that shall not be named' talk)

I get that, but if we don't entertain possibilities we get no new ground from the start, so either way we are doomed. Glad that things haven't gotten too bad.

I feel like their is a Voldemort joke that could be used for the cursed one, I am just not a big enough Harry Potter fan to come up with one.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

I get that, but if we don't entertain possibilities we get no new ground from the start, so either way we are doomed. Glad that things haven't gotten too bad.

I feel like their is a Voldemort joke that could be used for the cursed one, I am just not a big enough Harry Potter fan to come up with one.

Don't speak his name!

 

[Vector Victor]

European is such a broad category that could include so many characters. I really really don’t think so.

Europe is referring to how Europe got MarioRPG so late. So, ironclad yet again, Geno again confirmed for playable again. Checkmate. Again.

 

[Icewolff92]

Let's tease a concept here. What if this is teasing something like a Kirby or Pikmin direct? I know that's really obscure, to be honest, but what if it is a new game or IP we haven't seen yet. My jokey guess: Angry Birds is getting an RPG with Fire Emblem.

The stars have alligned and Nintendo has finally bought the rights to Geno and/or Banjo & Kazooie?

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

The stars have alligned and Nintendo has finally bought the rights to Geno and/or Banjo & Kazooie?

I mean, it's a possibility.

 

[Icewolff92]

I mean, it's a possibility.

This article makes me wonder if its some hope for the Banjo IP at least. Especially with neither Microsoft or Rare have any interest in working with it
https://www.videogameschronicle.com...t-sure-if-e3-reception-will-lead-to-new-game/

 

[Latyon]

If the bird on a rooftop is supposed to hint at a Smash character, has anyone here considered Assassin's Creed? There's a lot of bird symbolism and traversing rooftops is a big part of the game.

Just spitballing, I don't like Assassin's Creed and wouldn't be super thrilled if it got into Smash, but bird + roof brought it to mind.

 

[Oaterinos]

In less than 24 hours, we'll know if the Lupin leak holds any water. Today was already going by kind of slow too, darn it!

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

In less than 24 hours, we'll know if the Lupin leak holds any water. Today was already going by kind of slow too, darn it!

Quick summary of the Lupin rumor?

 

[Nicnac]

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Here's an interesting leak. I doubt it's real but it's certainly interesting and especially when it comes to Geno. Anyone can make a fake leak but if this is true combined with the things that have came out within the past few days this would definitely raise a whole ton of suspicion.

Glitch-EGamer here's the Lupin rumour.

 

[Datboigeno]

To give more value to it than outright dismissing it and nothing else. To give good reason for disagreeing with it and to let someone argue their case. That is what I meant when I said "entertained".

Oh okay well I feel like we’re doing that overall with the discussion thus far. People are proposing ideas and other people are responding to them with reasons why they agree/disagree.

 

[Dynamic Worlok]

Holy crap, guys. I think I figured the picture thing out and I really hope I'm wrong. The picture is of a black bird standing on a house. House. As in Three Houses? Edelgard is the leader of the black eagles, so even though the bird isn't exactly an eagle, I think the house itself is relevant to the clue. Then we have the fact that Corporate Nintendo wouldn't be above promoting their own games with the new Fire Emblem right around the corner. Edelgard would literally be the next Corrin. I don't like the idea, but it makes a lot of sense, and even with my own biases in play, I would have to say that if the clue is between Edelgard and Geno, then we'd be looking at at least an 80%-20% chance between the two respectively. No matter how you slice it, Geno would still be a bit of a stretch while Edelgard fits all too easily. I could obviously be wrong, but when you also factor in the fact that she would be the first and only female character to make the DLC thus far, I could totally see it happening.

That said, IF she did get in, I'm telling you right now, if she is even the teeniest tiniest bit like the other FE characters, I'm giving her a hard pass. I'm so done with swordfighters at this point. The only reason I'm probably going to get Hero is because that crazy menu mechanic looks broken.

"you know that thing we did last time that virtually nobody liked? let's do it again and see if it works out this time"

-Nintendo, on some hard drugs.-

 

[SSGuy]

Glitch-EGamer here's the Lupin rumour.

If this ends up being true, I'll give Lupin III a watch

 

[Ovaltine]

Just saying, I'll be fine with any outcome except for Edelgard, honestly. The landscape of Smash speculation is already a wasteland, so if Edelgard got in as DLC, it'd be that much worse. It would be even MORE salt-inducing than Corrin, I can guarantee you that, and this is coming from someone who is excited about Edelgard as a character in her own series. I have nothing against her, but her inclusion would be... hoooo.

1) She's another FE rep, which quite a few people are, in general, feeling adverse to until the next game (wherein we'll more than likely see cuts, including trimming down the fat of Marth cloneage).
2) She would be a 'shill pick'. Three Houses is not even out yet. Bringing in Edelgard right before or after the release of Three Houses without much chance for anyone to get attached to the character, without much chance for a public opinion to begin with, is right along the same line of thinking as Corrin. She would be just as much of an advertisement pick as he was.
3) Both of the above when the outcry was large against Corrin. Now, I'm not saying everyone hated Corrin or that the consensus remains the same outside of anecdotal experience with internet opinions, but... I rarely, if ever, saw praise for Corrin making it as DLC. It was mostly a lot of hatred. That'd induce salt due to Nintendo repeating the same 'mistake' again.
4) Rex was denied from Smash, FP included, because he was too 'recent'. The same applied to Springman, as well. Edelgard is even MORE recent. The massive middle finger to ARMS and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 fans would be insane.
5) The Fire Emblem fans who don't mind more representation or love Edelgard (as I'm sure she'd have her stans) may continue to build upon those flames. (I like Fire Emblem and I'd like more representation that's not just sword fighters, given the huge spectrum of classes, but it's just not time for that now.)

I think she's unlikely, but I wouldn't count her out. If she does happen, uh... whoooooo. I'm gonna be staying far away from social media and social venues of any kind online for a WHILE. It'll be a war zone.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Come on, people are supposed to expect the possibility of an FE character. No big official, not even Reggie, entertained the notion of the pass just having third parties in it. Those who don't see it coming have only themselves to blame, especially since amnesia is apparently commonplace these days.

At least she doesn't use a bleeding sword, for once.

Not saying it'll happen (and it's likely that it may not, seeing how I'm proven wrong on a lot of things), but be open to anything happening, is what I'm saying.

 

[MattX20]

I have serious doubts about that. Fire Emblem already has 7 characters already in the game, and I find it very unlikely that any more FE reps will be happening this time around. Nintendo can't twist Sakurai's arm twice on this given how Corrin was the least well received DLC entry and the lowest selling of Smash 4's DLC cycle.