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This is a man who got Cloud, Snake, Banjo, Erdrick, Megaman, Sonic, Simon, Bayonetta, Joker, Pacman, Ryu, K Rool, Ridley and everyone in the same game. You think a trifling little thing like the rules of space time and time travel would stop him? Please.
I can't be certain, but maybe Sakurai had entertained the idea of Geno. After all, we do have his spirit. Maybe the Vifam gun was to bounce ideas for Geno around in his head, whether it'd be for future DLC or not. If such was the case, it'd make sense that we haven't seen the fruit and might not ever, given Nintendo sprung a DLC plan on him in Jan. 2018 out of nowhere. If Sakurai had any DLC plans for Geno, that may have just wiped them off of the table, even if for the time being.
"I'll just go into a character support thread and tell people Nintendo would have to be stupid to add their character. That'll make me lots of friends!"
I support Geno since Brawl days dude, I'm not against his inclusion at all. That's just an objective statement, they decided to go for third party juggernauts, not for obscure fan-service picks that would only appeal to die-hard Nintendo fans. From a marketing perspective, it makes no sense, that's why it's not happening.
The relevance argument is a dead one since Banjo was confirmed along with 3 of the DQ heroes being from older installments. Geno's got a chance as far as I'm concerned.
This is precisely why I believe Geno will come back one day, as long as we keep our voices loud, if not even louder than before. Banjo-Kazooie returning in any form, let alone Smash, was a pipe dream of mine. I highly doubted it'd EVER happen. Even when Shinobi leaked them, I didn't believe it. Even after being told that they were happening for sure, I refused to just believe that.
Can't say I disagree with most of your statements, but for the record, as a HUGE Banjo fan, I'd hardly call him and Kazooie a juggernaut.
Banjo was constantly being used by Microsoft, just lacking a new game. Yet getting new merchandise. It didn't lack relevance at all.
Banjo Kazooie are well known, being icons of the N64 era. Dragon Quest 3 is an absolute classic JRPG. 4 is also well known. 8 is the most popular Dragon Quest in the west and regarded as one of the best JRPG on PS2. These characters mean money. Also, they never fell into obscurity. You can't compare any of them with Geno.
The simple fact that they belong to Microsoft make them a huge deal. And even without that, most of the people who like video games know who they are. They're the embodiment of the collect-a-thon, their influence on the industry and especially on the 3D platformer is massive (at the end of the day, more 3D platformers ended up copying Banjo Kazooie than Super Mario 64).
I get the first point. It's a huge deal to get a character from your competitor, let alone a fan favorite one. That said, I can't say most people who like video games know who they are. B-K are unknowns to a heck of a lot of people. Oddly, I've met more people who know who Geno is, yet haven't the slightest clue who Banjo and Kazooie are. (Of course, that doesn't mean Geno is super well-known either, but B-K isn't known THAT largely.)
As nice as that is, it doesn't matter how much fans talk about something if the company (companies in this instance) don't do anything with him. That's the relevance people are talking about when they bring it up. That sort of thing at least keeps a character at the forefront of the company's mind and also makes it to where they will see more direct profits from the new merch/releases when the characters get into Smash. Super Mario RPG can only currently provide profit in one of two ways. You either boot up the Wii U and purchase it on the Virtual Console (and that's basically not even worth mentioning with how few people own the Wii U in the first place and the system is super dead). Or you buy the SNES Classic. Which is a hell of an $80 investment just to get into Super Mario RPG specifically and serves more as a novelty device than a proper and dedicated gaming platform. There's also no legacy merchandise or consistent cameos like Banjo Kazooie had either... That's why Geno's in a bit of a tough position still. He's just not relevant to either company.
I'm well aware of the context of the relevance argument, I was half-joking when I posted that but you also have to acknowledge that Sakurai already has acknowledged us in the form of a Geno Mii Costume, which to this day I can still fire up my copy of Smash 3DS and play around with. That's pretty close to playable if you ask me and a pretty significant step in the right direction. I'm not really sure how Sakurai operates when it comes to his player base with requests (at least outside of Smash ballots, if at all) but it's nice that he took the time to acknowledge us little guys.
Well, I also have strange examples like this but I think it's just a matter of people we are talking with. Let's not that forget that in fact, we underestimated Banjo & Kazooie popularity by assuming that "Japan doesn't give a **** about them" and in the end, we saw that it was not true.
Understandable! Your arguments are sound, but I kinda just disagree because of how huge SM64 was, I guess. I say we just agree to disagree on this bit, especially since some of this is deriving from anecdotal evidence on both of our sides.
True; it could have been used for a cut character or AT because nobody uses this style of gun in the game now. Minute detail to consider is how the gun is held.
You can basically complete Mario 64 by not grabbing a single coin while musical note are required to open certain areas in BK.
Ah, yeah, very good point. You do need 70 stars for SM64, whereas you need 96 of 100 Jiggies for Grunty. Conditions are very different and ought to be taken into account, yeah.
Dollars to donuts Hero is going to get an ALT amiibo (probably Erdrick). Joker might get his nerd ALT too.Also a pretty decent video frompapagenos ! It probably means nothing, but Nintendo LOVES symmetry... *Looks at Box Theory*
Looking back and comparing, they are not alike, at least not Banjo & Kazooie. Now it could have been a render for placement purposes, but I doubt that.
On one side, yeah, with so many poses possible, the renders are somewhat similar, in comparison to say, fan render's poses for example. At the same time, though, the logistics of it don't quite make sense for me. Why would a discarded leak end up in France? Why does it exist? Considering the time of the grinch leak and the DLC negotiations, what does Banjo being paid DLC mean? I just can't quite connect the dots even if yeah, it does look similar.
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Honestly it's not too farfetched if you put into consideration that Vergeben is German and Hitagi (if I remember right) is French. Info travels.
Then who do you think Geno could be mistaken for? Cause to me the guy seems very distinct or at least he stands out compared to the characters people are speculating about.I also don't think we ever got the full story on the Grinch Leak. One conspiracy I've entertained is that it was an artist rendition of what they thought they saw of the actual finished mural or what someone else described to them. Someone like Banjo is distinct as all get-out and virtually impossible to mistake with someone else (you know... a bear in bright yellow shorts with a giant orange bird stuffed in a backpack is pretty unique) but someone like Luminary would probably draw an immediate blank for most fans. Same could honestly be said about someone like Joker. It's like if I showed you a picture of 7 random fruits for 15 seconds and then told you to draw them from memory but you have no idea wtf a dragon fruit is, you're probably going to fill in the blanks to something that you actually know. For example, Doom Slayer being mistaken for Mach Rider is totally believable in this scenario. Something along those lines.
I assume the 'gap' theory is gaps in the mural between fighters? Only one I could see is between Cloud and Pichu...maybe G&W at the beginning. Stage theory says one more stage on top of the fighters pass stages, I believe? I have a strong feeling there will be extra DLC fighters, even if it is just one, or two.
Don't entertain that idea. They missed Incineroar and Piranha Plant, I don't anyone who saw the mural would've gotten those two confuse with any other character. Let's just drop the Grinch Leak and never mention it ever again. It was fake and that's it. Nothing more to it.I also don't think we ever got the full story on the Grinch Leak. One conspiracy I've entertained is that it was an artist rendition of what they thought they saw of the actual finished mural or what someone else described to them. Someone like Banjo is distinct as all get-out and virtually impossible to mistake with someone else (you know... a bear in bright yellow shorts with a giant orange bird stuffed in a backpack is pretty unique) but someone like Luminary would probably draw an immediate blank for most fans. Same could honestly be said about someone like Joker. It's like if I showed you a picture of 7 random fruits for 15 seconds and then told you to draw them from memory but you have no idea wtf a dragon fruit is, you're probably going to fill in the blanks to something that you actually know. For example, Doom Slayer being mistaken for Mach Rider is totally believable in this scenario. Something along those lines.
I dunno. It's fun to consider. There's also the possibility that they simply missed them because the mural's huge or they saw a version of the mural that wasn't complete or they had a brain fart and tried to fill in the blanks like why Chorus Kids was basically in Inceniroar's spot. I don't really put too much stock in it either way but the whole thing was goofy elaborate for a hoax and there's still a lot of unknowns about the whole ordeal.
I really don't find anything related to the Grinch Leak fun anymore. I admit I was a firm believer in the leak since it seemed really likely, but there was a lot of toxicity around it. Not only did it end up fake but Shadow and Isaac (two of my most wanted characters) ended up dying and never going get into Smash Bros Ultimate. There are a lot of inconsistencies with the actual mural and the real mural. Some guy just wanted to screw around and printed a fake mural in a French printing store. That's it. Nothing more. No conspiracies. No legitimacy. And no hint that certain characters showing up as DLC. It's best to just drop the Grinch Leak and move on from it.
