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Gotta hit the daily pessimistic post quota.
Nah, not pessimistic, but facing the possible reality. I'd love to get additional DLC, and while things look good for the future, we just don't know. Nintendo does like to make ridiculous decisions sometimes, even if it means letting go of a potential heap of cash flow.
Two of those were semi-clones and one was a freebie for early adopters, so if you're counting Mewtwo you'd probably have to count Piranha Plant too. Nintendo doesn't really have a long history of supporting paid DLC for games for more than a year and after Sakurai already expressed hesitation with doing DLC, along with the fact that he and his team have been working essentially eight years straight, I think Nintendo and Sakurai would see the base game and Fighters Pass as more than enough bang for their buck. Future DLC would just be diminishing returns, especially with how long it takes to create.
I was counting PP. He makes 6. Mewtwo makes 7 for smash 4.
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bringing up the "Huehuehue the Geno Spirit we have is the Doll, NOT actually Geno" topic just piqued my curiosity. (Also, lets over think for a bit!)
Nintendo has a long history of leaving money on the table, especially with DLC. Mario Kart 8 DX outsold the original several times over but got no extra paid DLC. Just because it makes sense to us forum posters who know little about Nintendo’s finances or shareholder status doesn’t mean it makes sense to them.
You also don’t know anything about shareholders or Nintendo’s finances.
Nobody is preventing discussion. I’m telling you what I think. If you don’t like it, tell Nintendo you want more DLC.
Because they started working on another Smash Bros game. Ultimate was well in the pre-production stages by the time the Smash 4 DLC was done and it wouldn't have made sense to work on new characters like that simultaneously in Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate. Corrin and the 3rd party guys were 100% marketing and I suspect the 3rd parties were all negotiated for two games from the get-go as a cash incentive (i.e., we'll put them in the base game of Ultimate but only if you make them DLC in 4 so we can get a percentage of DLC sales). That leaves us with Lucas, whose attacks were already in the game in the form of Ness's custom moves; Roy, who was almost certainly the moveset they abandoned for Chrom and the reason why Chrom is a Roy echo in Ultimate; and Mewtwo, who I'm certain was always intended on being a preorder bonus.
Which doesn't change that they won't go on forever.
Splatoon 2 is the sole exception to Nintendo's usual method of DLC right now, and it launched in a quite barren state honestly. A great number of games that Nintendo has released the most DLC for have been games that clearly needed more development time to form a full package. Splatoon 2, Mario Tennis Aces, ARMS, and Kirby Star Allies are all prime examples of Switch era titles with extensive DLC coverage that also really struggled out of the gate in terms of content and features. They all pale in comparison to how content complete Smash Ultimate launched (and most video games do honestly). They were of the, "release it now, finish it later" mindset. Breath of the Wild was complete, but really only got one substantial content pack that added a lot of new content to the game, whereas the first pack mostly just added cosmetics, a hard mode changed up some things, and a trial "dungeon" of sorts. It's DLC wasn't all that huge in the long run. Splatoon 2 has definitely gotten a lot of substantial support, but a lot of that support was also fairly inconsequential things like weapon variants (a lot of weapons in Splatoon 2 use similar bases and thus aren't really much of a big deal when they release) and new clothing options. We only got one legitimate paid DLC out of Splatoon 2 in the Octoling expansion. And also, while Splatoon 2 has technically been supported for two years up until now, the last stage in the game was released in October of last year, so they only really supported it a year and a couple of months in terms of substantial content.
To be fair the Smash team might want to move on to another project, so while not starting work on another Smash, there might still be a reason for dropping Ultimate DLC.
Not Sakurai, apparently. Dude's superhuman.
I wouldn't get too down because of the guesswork of random forum users. He has a solid shot for Ultimate and he sticks out like a sore thumb as far as legacy fan requested characters go now that Banjo is in. We don't need to be reminded every day that sometimes Nintendo doesn't do the obvious thing and I think even the optimistic users on here are well prepared for the chance he isn't in Ultimate.
Who's your most wanted? As a general rule I tend to think the only characters that may really "compete" are ones from the same company.
The only character left for me is Crash.
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Let's have the Fighter Pass be Geno and Crash.
IMO when it comes to third party characters it's good to want them, just don't expect them. There's so much behind the scenes work when it comes to third party characters that it's hard to be certain that any particular one could be coming. Maybe that character wasn't on their radar, maybe there's legal trouble, or maybe they went in a different direction. Like for example, no one would ever thought that Joker or Cloud would come to Smash Bros, but here they are. Also we shouldn't be upset if any particular third party character doesn't make it in Smash Bros because of the legal problems each character has and there be no real reason for that character to show up in a Nintendo fighting game. It's like hoping that a Star Wars character will show up in Marvel vs Capcom, it would be awesome but you shouldn't be disappointed if that doesn't happen since Star Wars is neither Marvel or Capcom. I know it's might be a little ironic to say something like this while being upset about Geno not showing up, but I feel like when third party characters get talked about a lot from Sakurai, acknowledge that there's a demand, and shows up in some capacity that isn't playable then you have the right to be upset and disappointed on what happen to that character. I really want Dante, but we got to know that there's a good chance that he isn't on Nintendo's radar.
^THIS. Absolutely this. It really says a lot when people sing praises to PP at release but then throw it to the wayside only a few days later. Its moveset is certainly unique, but ultimately ineffective, hence why it dangles at the bottom of almost every tier list. As much as I hate WFT, at least I have to concede that she contributed to the whole crossover concept as a whole. PP just feels like shameless pandering to Nintendo and I can only imagine how bent the Waluigi fans must have felt about it. Even among the Mario characters, we have actual CHARACTERS like Capt Toad, Toadette, GENO, E. Gadd, GENO, and of course, Waluigi. But no. Here's a generic enemy. I mean, talk about a black sheep in the roster. We've got the legendary Cloud, Solid Snake, Megaman, Sonic the freaking hedgehog....and then a plant. I'm sorry, roster positions are too precious in a game like smash for gag characters like that.
Yes after all this time, I could seem them/ or particularly Sakurai giving Geno fans that subtle level of fan service.
We're mostly just commenting about the future of DLC and that's pretty important to understand realistically beyond all else. It's still entirely possible to support Geno in any of the DLC "slots" while also acknowledging that there likely won't be a ton of further "slots" for additional characters. It's an entirely different realm of speculation than Geno himself, though it does effect him, and all characters, in the long run. It's just not really a conversation specifically about Geno not happening, just more about not going all in on DLC beyond the Fighter's Pass for the reasons we've discussed. And we're a discussion thread, it's what we do haha.
That happens with almost every character in speculation though and isn't specific to Piranha Plant. It's a pretty standard cycle of character gets revealed, gets a month in the sun, then drops off significantly with some dedicated players and appreciation. That's more a symptom of how we treat speculation cycles as a community than a specific dislike of any character. King K. Rool and Ridley both fall bottom tier for this roster as well despite being requested characters, so tier placement shouldn't really be indicative of anything unless you're prepared to criticize them too.
That still doesn't make Piranha Plant's inclusion any better. Sure, enemies are important to video games but I don't want a slot wasted to one when at the time all we got were 7 newcomers. If we got the amount of newcomers from Smash 4 then maybe it would be fine, but there's too many other characters that people have been wanting for YEARS and decided to screw them out of Smash Bros in favor for this stupid joke. Once we got to common enemies being playable characters in Smash Bros we have officially hit rock bottom on the Nintendo side, and seeing how the DLC is all third parties that means Piranha Plant is the last Nintendo character to be added into Smash Bros Ultimate. That a massive F*** YOU to all the people who wanted Isaac, Waluigi, Bandana Waddle Dee, Elma, Krystal, Ashley, Takamaru, ARMS, Rex & Pyra, Saki, Dixie Kong, Skull Kid, Chibi Robo, and Captain Toad. In Sakurai's mind all those characters are ranked below Piranha Plant, that's an insult. He may not intent for people to think that, but it still came out like that. Piranha Plant will always be a terrible pick no matter how you justify it.
He let down the ARMS, Golden Sun, Chibi-Robo, Ashley, Dixie Kong, Xenoblade, Bandana Waddle Dee, Waluigi, Bomberman, and Skull Kids fans.
Obviously I'm not saying they should be working to the bone for the next several years. I don't expect a steady flow of DLC from now til the end of time, more like 1 or 2 characters a year or even less than that for awhile.
He will be to you, but he was going to let down all of those fandoms but one anyway (and that's even assuming taking Piranha Plant out gets one of them in and not someone else or something else, which we really can't). I think he's an amazing pick and that's just a subjective thing, he is great to me and others, don't try to claim he's a terrible pick like that when others will have different opinions. Once again, and I can't remind people of this enough it seems, not every pick will be or should be for you specifically. Characters are picked for a wide variety of reasons, and Piranha Plant just isn't for you. You don't magically get anything because your character has been "waiting for years" to be in. No character just inherently gains reasons because some fans have waited for them. The strength of the movement and the size of the fan base matters most of all in fan picks, and Sakurai/Smash will never be exclusively fan picks (Even if Ultimate did come way closer than any other game in the franchise).
I'm also completely in the right to say it was a dumb decision as the consumer of the game he directs
