General Sonic the Hedgehog Series Discussion: Sonic Lost World!

[finalark]

Everyone bashing Sonic '06:

Yes, the game is terrible. But when you come down to it Sonic '06 is SA1 minus nostalgia.

That is all.

 

[Kuraudo]

I don't have to admit anything, only that Sonic can still go faster. lol

 

[Fuelbi]

Everyone bashing Sonic '06:

Yes, the game is terrible. But when you come down to it Sonic '06 is SA1 minus nostalgia.

That is all.

Except Sonic goes slower than his counterpart 10 years before and the story was less stupid


The difference between SA1 and 06 is that 06 was made on the current gen of consoles, which are like 20 times more powerful than the old Dreamcast. There isn't any excuse why a Sonic game of now plays a lot worse than a game that came out 10 years before.


Although I will admit the game gets a lot of undeserved hate in some areas, like Silver and the visuals. I always liked Silver and wished they'd include him in more games and I never understood why people said the visuals looked outdated by years when it came out it was early in the next gen's lifespan and they still look fine to me

EDIT: and now that I read the previous page, I can say this


I like the story with Mephiles. I wish SEGA would bring Mephiles back in a game. Out of all the characters Sonic has ever faced, Mephiles has got to be the most dangerous he's ever seen. I mean he is a cold, hard calculating an ruthless enemy who, mind you, has actually managed to kill Sonic. No other enemy ever has actually accomplished that. Not Perfect Chaos, not FinalHazard, not Dr. Eggman, not Time Eater, etc., and he's not even a quarter of the size of them either, bar Eggman. He is one of my favorite villains in the series given how awesome he is. I seriously wish Mephiles would come back, because he was just that amazing.


Also, I will admit this and say the story between Sonic and Elise never bothered me when I was like say 12 or so. I always thought it was pretty sweet that Sonic and Elise liked each other and I wondered where the romance would lead off to had I actually finished Sonic's story back in the day. I blame the fact that I find it weird nowadays to the Internet and just learning in general that bestiality is a bad thing in society. If it wasn't for that I'd view it with the same Disney innocence I used to see it with.


I don't like Shadow in this game. I'm sorry but I don't. He just seemed TOO dark for me in this game already. I understand that he has issues considering half the world hates him and that he wasnt even sure he was the real deal at one point, but it's a Sonic game. When I play Sonic I want bright and cheery characters (more or less), not a black hedgehog who can't stop complaining about everything. It's why I like Generations better for him. He seemed more happy and it looks like he finally got over all his issues here, even if he got only like 3 lines of dialog in this game

 

[Kuraudo]

Shadow...complained in Sonic 2006? O_o I'm sorry. I don't recall. And even if he did. Would you complain being in his shoes? Seriously. The guy's had it rough and made it through in the end.

 

[Fuelbi]

Shadow...complained in Sonic 2006? O_o I'm sorry. I don't recall. And even if he did. Would you complain being in his shoes? Seriously. The guy's had it rough and made it through in the end.

Well it's a Sonic game. If I wanted deep edgy brooding characters who constantly let me feeling depressed being around them, then I'd go play some game like Final Fantasy or something

 

[Kal]

Memories of Egoraptor: "and that's why it's the best game ever!"

 

[Kuraudo]

Well it's a Sonic game. If I wanted deep edgy brooding characters who constantly let me feeling depressed being around them, then I'd go play some game like Final Fantasy or something

Dude. ... Perfect Chaos levelled an entire city, likely killing hundreds if not thousands in the process (unless they all live through the power of "Rated E for Everyone"). Sonic's allowed to have some serious **** go down as much as the bright and colorful stuff. It's just how things have evolved man.

Try not to take this as a condescending remark, as I'm as big a fan of the classic/brighter environments as anyone else, but if you don't want serious in your Sonic games, play the Genesis games again.

 

[Fuelbi]

Dude. ... Perfect Chaos levelled an entire city, likely killing hundreds if not thousands in the process (unless they all live through the power of "Rated E for Everyone"). Sonic's allowed to have some serious **** go down as much as the bright and colorful stuff. It's just how things have evolved man.

Try not to take this as a condescending remark, as I'm as big a fan of the classic/brighter environments as anyone else, but if you don't want serious in your Sonic games, play the Genesis games again.

Yeah except Sonic doesn't end up contemplating on all the lives he let get killed in SA1 like 3 games afterwards. All I'm saying is that I prefer it if Shadow didn't constantly make people feel depressed because of his emotions and ****, which thankfully, he doesn't do anymore.

And I don't mind the serious stories either, given that they still have colorful bright environments. I don't know where I complained about the actual story, but I don't mind them. I mean some of the more serious games still had bright levels.

 

[BSP]

I'm fine with some seriousness in Sonic. It's not vital or anything though.

I hope next console sonic is like generations, but bigger. I like the challenges, but I wouldn't really mind if they were scrapped for more real levels.

 

[Mr. Johan]

So Shadow reacts to events differently than Sonic does, demonstrating that, for all his similarities to the guy, he still has some key differences, and that's a bad thing?

I dunno, but if the entire Sonic universe was all sunshine and sparkles 100% with no regret for any incident, I'd be a bit unnerved.

 

[Mari]

DANG. I loved sonic 06. that is, the music, the storyline, AND the bosses.

everything else, F***

Give me Sonic Rush or Gen or the Dark Brotherhood, please.

I would love to see Mephiles in another game, I really would.

 

[Fuelbi]

So Shadow reacts to events differently than Sonic does, demonstrating that, for all his similarities to the guy, he still has some key differences, and that's a bad thing?

I dunno, but if the entire Sonic universe was all sunshine and sparkles 100% with no regret for any incident, I'd be a bit unnerved.

I personally think it is when his character and key differences are played out as much as they are with Shadow. I wouldn't have a problem if they just toned him down a notch and made him a tad less serious.

That said, it's not like the Sonic universe wasn't already 100% sunshine and sparkles in terms of characters before the 3D games, and nobody had a problem with that either

 

[BSP]

Eggman is a pretty cruel dude

 

[Wizzrobe]

Who here agrees that sonic the hedgehog '06 was the worst or one of the worst sonic games?

I think nearly ever sonic fan out there will agree lol. Although, I actually haven't played it myself yet.

 

[BSP]

You don't need to to know. I've never heard any game get so much hate.

Just look at a glitch compilation

 

[Fuelbi]

Eggman is a pretty cruel dude

It's not like that character was particularly played out though. Whenever I played the 2D Sonic games as a kid, I never really thought about the fact that he was capturing animals to put in robots, I just saw a bunch of **** getting in the way of defeating the bad guy.

 

[BSP]

Same here, but when you think about it, yeah.

 

[finalark]

It's not like that character was particularly played out though. Whenever I played the 2D Sonic games as a kid, I never really thought about the fact that he was capturing animals to put in robots, I just saw a bunch of **** getting in the way of defeating the bad guy.

For me the cutscene before the final boss of Tail's story in SA1 really cemented Robotnick as someone scary. If I can find it I'll link it.

 

[BSP]

That "mincemeat" line was pretty menacing

 

[Wizzrobe]

Eggman's just a guy who eats subs

 

[finalark]

I feel like Eggman can be pretty intimidating like in Sonic SAT AM, the comics or sometimes in Sonic Adventure. Even the concept he had in the original game of being a guy who used animals to power machines can be kinda intimidating if you're an animal lover.

But sadly, now he's just a ******* who always released some sort of monstrosity he could never control in hopes of using it to take over the world. Because SEGA likes recycling SA1 story line.

 

[Wizzrobe]

I feel like Eggman can be pretty intimidating like in Sonic SAT AM, the comics or sometimes in Sonic Adventure. Even the concept he had in the original game of being a guy who used animals to power machines can be kinda intimidating if you're an animal lover.

But sadly, now he's just a ******* who always released some sort of monstrosity he could never control in hopes of using it to take over the world. Because SEGA likes recycling SA1 story line.

The only place where I felt Eggman had at least some intimidation was Sonic SATAM, everywhere else he was basically a joke.

 

[Mr. Johan]

Archie comics Eggman has been on a role lately. He's Roboticized Sally and then reconstructed her so she has none of her original parts anymore, and so can't be de-Roboticized the old way, incapacitated Antoine by having Metal Sonic detonate right on top of him, and defeated Snivley after he defected from Eggman, throwing him in an Egg Capsule where he'll "stay for the rest of his life." He's got a lot of things going for him and his Dark Egg Legion at the moment.

 

[finalark]

Archie comics Eggman has been on a role lately. He's Roboticized Sally and then reconstructed her so she has none of her original parts anymore, and so can't be de-Roboticized the old way, incapacitated Antoine by having Metal Sonic detonate right on top of him, and defeated Snivley after he defected from Eggman, throwing him in an Egg Capsule where he'll "stay for the rest of his life." He's got a lot of things going for him and his Dark Egg Legion at the moment.

Oh yeah. Anyone who thinks Eggman can't be intimidating should take a look at the comics version of him at some point. Actually, more Sonic fans should give the comics a go they're really not bad.

Except for the early comics, the ones that were based on Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, those ones were kinda weird.

 

[Fuelbi]

I'd give them a chance if I even knew where to read them all

 

[Wizzrobe]

I'd give them a chance if I even knew where to read them all

Yea, same here lol.

 

[finalark]

I'd give them a chance if I even knew where to read them all

There's probably a PDF somewhere on the internet containing a lot of them. IDK I used to just buy them along with the other comics I bought monthly at that time but it seems these days you have to had a subscription to get them.

 

[Mr. Johan]

Just in time for Sonic's 21st anniversary, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle is coming out on PSN and XBLA.

 

[Lisingah]

just in time for sonic's 21st anniversary, sonic adventure 2 battle is coming out on psn and xbla.

what where

 

[finalark]

Just in time for Sonic's 21st anniversary, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle is coming out on PSN and XBLA.

The link's dead, but I'm glad to hear the news. Maybe I'll going on my millionth play through of the game when it comes out.

Also, some fairly late news that worth mentioning here since this is the closest thing we have to an active SEGA thread.

SEGA announced that they're restructuring the company. Which translates to them closing offices across Europe and Australia. According to the article the new restructure will help maximize both retail and digital sales and will help them promote their "strong and balanced" IPs. Namely being Sonic (natch), Total War, Football Manager and Alien (seriously SEGA?)

All in all it sounds more like SEGA isn't doing too well in the money department. Here's the article.

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...-close-divisions-across-seven-euro-countries/

 

[DakotaBonez]

financial crisis!?!
Sega quickly give them more guns and human characters!
Ignore the huge success that was the Battle Adventure series and make the games more like Sonic Riders! Trust me gamers these days hate freeroaming and exploration! And forget allabout including amazing music in you're games because some people are buying sonic games JUST for the sake of listening to their hip beats!

 

[finalark]

financial crisis!?!
Sega quickly give them more guns and human characters!
Ignore the huge success that was the Battle Adventure series and make the games more like Sonic Riders! Trust me gamers these days hate freeroaming and exploration! And forget allabout including amazing music in you're games because some people are buying sonic games JUST for the sake of listening to their hip beats!

Okay. Time for me to disagree.

First all, I'd like to point out that SEGA makes non-Sonic games. Second, that most of their games are actually very good. If there's one thing killing them its that they only push Sonic games and IPs that nobody cares about in their western advertising. In turn, this makes people believe that they only make Sonic games and despite the quality of the last two games people will quickly point to anything to tear the Hedgehog down.

So basically, SEGA sucks at advertising and nobody pays attention to games that aren't about Sonic.

 

[Deleted member]

sonic 3 and knuckles one of the best games ever made

 

[Fuelbi]

And forget allabout including amazing music in you're games because some people are buying sonic games JUST for the sake of listening to their hip beats!

Lol this made me laugh. You're implying Sonic games haven't had good music in years. I'd like to point you towards the entire OST of Sonic Generations minus Classic Planet Wisp if you want to hear good music. Then there was also most of the Sonic 06 soundtrack, Sonic Unleashed, all of Sonic Colors, and so on.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

I love the Classic Planet Wisp theme. :D

 

[Fuelbi]

I love the Classic Planet Wisp theme. :D

I personally find myself hating that theme. I can't stand it. I personally find the whole soothing calm theme while running through a mechanical hell way better than just a mechanical theme. And even then, I still found that they could've done a lot more with the song and that it seemed kinda lazy when they were doing it

 

[Fuelbi]

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/07/07/the-history-of-sonic-the-hedgehog-available-for-pre-order-on-ama/

So this is coming out. If it wasn't for the fact that low on cash atm, I'dve pre-ordered this already. Looks interesting and the in depth sounds amazing

 

[finalark]

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/07/07/the-history-of-sonic-the-hedgehog-available-for-pre-order-on-ama/

So this is coming out. If it wasn't for the fact that low on cash atm, I'dve pre-ordered this already. Looks interesting and the in depth sounds amazing

300 pages of holy **** **** yeah.

Its 32 bucks on the good old Zom of the Aman if you pre order.

EDIT: Maybe the book will have a preview or hint or something at the next Sonic game.

 

[GwJ]

I pre-ordered the book about an hour ago. I'm excited to see its contents.

 

[finalark]

BUMP

Well, apparently a ton of domain names using the words sonicadventure3 have been registered. Speculation and rumors ensue.

http://www.gamesradar.com/cycle-hop...sonic-adventure-3s-existence-possibly-leaked/