General Retro Gaming Discussion

[Ryu Shimazu]

Ninja in FF1 is lulz.

 

[finalark]

Ninja in FF1 is lulz.

Blackbelt even more so.

Seriously, he was useful for the first fourth of the game and after that he can't even keep up with anyone else.

 

[kupo15]

Some one here never played a NES-era RPG.

Confession.

Say what you will, but I still found Galaxy to be one of the best platformers out there.

It is, but when it gets compared to SM64 it gets to me.

Plus I really didn't like BK's level design.

Really? Why not? How can you not say that the levels were quite interesting? Click Clock Wood comes to mind. I didn't like Banjo Tooie's as much as BK though.

True, but I was talking about NES-era games.

I thought we were talking about the 64 games?

And the gravity-based platforming.

I honestly don't think its as hard as you think.

I'd saying that going through the main story is pretty linear but after that it opens up.

Really? In what way? I was hyped about the Green Star challenge but it still was quite boring. The only exciting one was the Mario Sunshine level.

I actually hated Goldeneye.

I played it years and years after it came out only to find confusing and boring levels with wobbly controls and incredibly boring game play.

And yes, I played mulitplayer with a group of three other friends. We all agreed that it sucked.

Wow. I can't believe it. You must be sticking to your PS roots.

Yeah, true that.

Oh and did I mention that I hated the pacing of Galaxy? There was too much unnecessary crap getting in the way of playing such as the game telling you 120 times that there is a green star comet. God that warning siren was so annoying!

Now that's just insulting. I do enjoy thinking and puzzles but when a game gives you absolutely little to no information on what you're supposed to be doing that's just bull.

lol, just pulling your chain but you did say several times you don't like games that tell you to figure it out and you use games such as SM64 and OOT to back it up. They were challenging but nothing like what you say they were. And you enjoy the current games better which are easier and feel like they play themselves anyway.

Am I seriously the only one who found BJ to be average?

My friend didn't like the game because you couldn't grab ledges. I think its a bad reason to not like the game but w/e

Just because I think that games that use different engines can have a different feel doesn't mean that I'm not "hardcore" as people like to say these days.

I thought you said that you think games with the same engine can feel different?

Here's the thing, I enjoy older games but I don't let my nostalgia blind me from the fact that some games just didn't age well or aren't nearly as good today as they were then. For example, I love Final Fantasy I do death. It was the first RPG I ever played and finished all on my own without a strategy guide or any outside help. But does that mean it's still as awesome as it was back then? No.

Now you changed your idea. Before you said that the game's concept didn't age well

 

[Luigitoilet]

Why are we having this Galaxy vs. 64 debate AGAIN in another thread?

 

[kupo15]

Idk, it just morphed that way and the games help to illustrate our points.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

What constitutes retro games? Just curious.

Also I am currently switching between MM and Megaman the original one and I have to say as to Megaman 1 I am enjoying my self to a degree (I like a good challenge) but the controls and my options and how limited they are is something I am not really used to so I am having troubles adjusting. Yes, I am using an emulator, but I am refusing to use save state because I wish a "real" or near "real" gaming experience. Also keyboards suck (Why I say near real).

 

[finalark]

Confession.

Yeah, NES/SNES RPGs were really bad with that.

It is, but when it gets compared to SM64 it gets to me.

We should probably drop the whole "M64 VS Galaxy" thing.

Really? Why not? How can you not say that the levels were quite interesting? Click Clock Wood comes to mind. I didn't like Banjo Tooie's as much as BK though.

What can I say? To me Banjo Kazooie was just average.

I thought we were talking about the 64 games?

It's my fault for not clarifying that, sorry.

I honestly don't think its as hard as you think.

To come up with that and program it? It's no easy task.

Really? In what way? I was hyped about the Green Star challenge but it still was quite boring. The only exciting one was the Mario Sunshine level.

I never got 100% on any Mario games but given the amount of optional levels that's what I felt.

Wow. I can't believe it. You must be sticking to your PS roots.

Or maybe the game just genuinely didn't age well.

And before you throw out things like "PS fanboy" or the like I want you to know that the above statement applies to about 85-90% of the PS1's library.

lol, just pulling your chain but you did say several times you don't like games that tell you to figure it out and you use games such as SM64 and OOT to back it up. They were challenging but nothing like what you say they were. And you enjoy the current games better which are easier and feel like they play themselves anyway.

In retrospect I do have to say that M64 and OoT didn't quite reach those levels, I was mostly thinking of 8-bit and 16-bit games. And I don't think that modern games play themselves at all. But given that from what you've said it sounds like you've had minimal experience with modern games so I'm not even sure if that statement is valid from you.

My friend didn't like the game because you couldn't grab ledges. I think its a bad reason to not like the game but w/e

I agree that that's a stupid reason.

I thought you said that you think games with the same engine can feel different?

Typo on my behalf. I wrote that in a rush, I meant to say, "games that use the same engine can have a different feel."

Now you changed your idea. Before you said that the game's concept didn't age well.

Did I? Because previously I was trying to get across that the game play isn't what aged well.

 

[PD4FR]

What constitutes retro games? Just curious.

The OP said what we're talking about in here.

Sorry to interrupt all of these long, well thought out posts, but my favorite system is and always will be the N64.

BK, BT, MK64, OoT, DK64, SSB64, PS 1 + 2, PD, GE, MPs...

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. <3

 

[Luigitoilet]

What constitutes retro games? Just curious.

Also I am currently switching between MM and Megaman the original one and I have to say as to Megaman 1 I am enjoying my self to a degree (I like a good challenge) but the controls and my options and how limited they are is something I am not really used to so I am having troubles adjusting. Yes, I am using an emulator, but I am refusing to use save state because I wish a "real" or near "real" gaming experience. Also keyboards suck (Why I say near real).

I think at this point, retro gaming would be anything from the Dreamcast and back IMO.

Don't forget, the NES Megaman's are all very hard games. I think Megaman controls awesomely (but why can't he duck!? WHY CAN'T HE EVER DUCK!?) but the level designs are all just really hard. Every NES game is like that. That's the fun of the games though, memorizing exactly what to do until you can just run through the level blasting **** and looking awesome.

 

[finalark]

NES Mega Man was always super-fun. But the abbility to duck would have reduced the difficulty in those games by a million.

I also really liked Mega Man X if anyone ever played that.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I probably like Megaman X better than the NES games. X2 and X3 are alright, but after that get got pretty bad as far as I've played

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

I think at this point, retro gaming would be anything from the Dreamcast and back IMO.

Don't forget, the NES Megaman's are all very hard games. I think Megaman controls awesomely (but why can't he duck!? WHY CAN'T HE EVER DUCK!?)

This statement is so funny .

...because it is true .

Thanks I just keep hearing different definations of retro so I whanted to clarify.

 

[kupo15]

What can I say? To me Banjo Kazooie was just average.

Fair enough. DK64 was just average for me though some ppl loved it

To come up with that and program it? It's no easy task.

I'm not sure about the 3D spherical ones, but the side scrolling ones are def a piece of cake. I've dabbled in 2D game programming so I know.

I never got 100% on any Mario games but given the amount of optional levels that's what I felt.

Ahh this explains so much. I bet I would have enjoyed Galaxy much more if I didn't care about 100% completion but because I need to beat it 100% to be satisfied, that is why I enjoy the retro games much more. The current games feel more like tedious chores to get 100% then the retro games to me.

Prime example is Spirit tracks. Half the game is spent traveling on the train because the warp system is so fcked up that its practically pointless. Plus you have that one challenge where you need to beat every enemy and boss in the game in one sitting to get a completely USELESS and UNSATISFYING reward. Such lazy programming.

The most satisfying part of the game is collecting the stamps. Kinda reminds me of the bombers notebook which is one of the best items in video game history lol

In retrospect I do have to say that M64 and OoT didn't quite reach those levels, I was mostly thinking of 8-bit and 16-bit games. And I don't think that modern games play themselves at all. But given that from what you've said it sounds like you've had minimal experience with modern games so I'm not even sure if that statement is valid from you.

Its a valid statement from me. Due to the fact that I never grew up on anything but Nintendo systems, I can't speak for systems other than Nintendo and that is where all my critiques and blame go too. I know I haven't been clear at which games/systems/companies I direct my blanket statements at.

So as far a Nintendo is concerned, I've had enough experience to make this claim.

Did I? Because previously I was trying to get across that the game play isn't what aged well.

I guess I will never understand why you think so. Perhaps we are coddled too much by games today to have the patience for retro games. I never played Megan Man back in the day so picking it up now doesn't have the same charm and I'm a bit more impatient because that game is so fcking hard.

Despite that, I think there is nothing wrong with the classic retro games we are just accustomed to today's new standard for game design.

Every NES game is like that. That's the fun of the games though, memorizing exactly what to do until you can just run through the level blasting **** and looking awesome.

That is what games should be about. Its amazing!

 

[finalark]

Despite that, I think there is nothing wrong with the classic retro games we are just accustomed to today's new standard for game design.

I think that this conversation is probably going to reach a standstill soon and it's kind of eating up any other chances for other topics in this thread so I'll just say I more or less agree with the above statement.

Which reminds me, I just got a PSP and picked up the remake of FF1. It's fanfckingtastic!

 

[kupo15]

Yea, sounds good. I finally understand where you come from not being a completionist, hopefully you understand my frustration with these current games being a completionist.

 

[finalark]

Yea, sounds good. I finally understand where you come from not being a completionist, hopefully you understand my frustration with these current games being a completionist.

That explains quite a bit. I will gladly tell you modern games rarely have much in the way side quests and the like.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

I got my gamecube set up to play NES, SNES, and N64 games. I can set it up for other systems if need be. Although I have played a few retro games (Alttp, megaman, a majority of the megaman x series if that counts) I feel like diving head first into retro gaming and possibly becoming a retro gamer if the experience of a good challenge is as rewarding as the ones I have played so far. Question is, what are the top ten retro games you think I must play to get the authentic retro game experience?

 

[Luigitoilet]

I got my gamecube set up to play NES, SNES, and N64 games. I can set it up for other systems if need be. Although I have played a few retro games (Alttp, megaman, a majority of the megaman x series if that counts) I feel like diving head first into retro gaming and possibly becoming a retro gamer if the experience of a good challenge is as rewarding as the ones I have played so far. Question is, what are the top ten retro games you think I must play to get the authentic retro game experience?

edit:

OH. Top ten? Depends on how retro you wanna go. but...

1. Zelda 1 (NES)
2. Mario 3 (NES)
3. Contra (NES)
4. Super Metroid (SNES)
5. Chrono Trigger (SNES)
6. Zelda OoT or MM (N64)
7. Super Mario World (SNES)
8. Diddy Kong Racing (N64)
9. Super Castlevania 4 (SNES)
10. Kirby Superstar (SNES)

I'm leaving all these other games here too

NES: Mario 2 and 3 (especially 3), Adventure Island, Zelda, Zelda: Adventure of Link, Nightshade, Castlevania 1 or 3, Contra, Punch-Out! Double Dragon, Excitebike, Crystalis, Legend of Kage, Kirby's Adventure

and Ninja Gaiden if you're hardcore as balls

SNES: Super Mario World, Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, Super Castlevania 4, Super Metroid, Donkey Kong Country 1 and 2, Earthworm Jim 1 and 2, Out of this World, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 6/3, Starfox, Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Kirby Super Star, Super Mario RPG

N64: Zelda Ocarina of Time, Zelda Majora's Mask, Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Mario Party 1-3, Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon, Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo Kazooie, Star Wars Episode 1 Racer, Blast Corps, Body Harvest, Bomberman 64, Chameleon Twist, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Gauntlet Legends, Shadowman, Jet Force Gemini, Mischief Makers, Paper Mario, Pilotwings, Road Rash 64, Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1-3, Turok Dinosaur Hunter, Turok 2, Wave Race 64, WCW vs. NWO

Whoa, that's a lot of games, that might be a little intimidating. I can clarify some of them if need be ^_^

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

Wow, that is a lot of games to go though. I am at a loss at what to do first . As for how retro I wish to go I want the NES ans SNES to take priority.

 

[Luigitoilet]

You could go chronologically and do NES, then SNES, and so on!

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

You could go chronologically and do NES, then SNES, and so on!

Aright, I will start off with ninja gaiden. (Not on your top ten but the fact you said it is a good challenge calls my focus to it.)

Edit: Oh dear lord, It keeps killing me . First time playing it I get near the boss in level 2 and die. LEVEL 2! heh, at least it is a challenge that will keep me occupied for a long while.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Ninja Gaiden is mostly hard because of the way the enemies respawn immediately after you kill them. That and those birds make it really aggravating at times. Wait till you get to levels 4 and 5.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

I was going to post again when I got there but I am stuck at level 3-2 so ... I will post or edit when I get there . However...

THOSE STUPID BIRDS CAN GO TO HELL! WHY DOES ALL THE WILD LIFE HAVE AN IRRATIONAL HATRED OF NINJAS!!!???

I do enjoy a good challenge the more I get angry at it the better I feel when I kill it.

Also you where not kidding about the respawn some of it is very "what the hell?"

 

[Pikaville]

Anyone who hasn't played:

Marble Madness
Micheal Jacksons Moonwalker
Smash TV
Super Sprint

really should....

Moonwalker is so lolzy and Marble madness is pretty tough IMO.

That being said I finished it when I was 2 1/2 or 3

 

[Luigitoilet]

I was surprised at how decent Moonwalker is. it's actually pretty fun, if a bit weird and silly and sometimes creepy.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

I was surprised at how decent Moonwalker is. it's actually pretty fun, if a bit weird and silly and sometimes creepy.

What system is it for?

 

[finalark]

What system is it for?

Sega Genesis. There's a copy at a local used game story but it's around $60.

 

[kupo15]

Moonwalker is an amazing game. Played it in the arcades. Marble madness is also a neat little game. I think it was made by Rare actually? o_O

 

[PD4FR]

Moonwalker is an amazing game. Played it in the arcades. Marble madness is also a neat little game. I think it was made by Rare actually? o_O

I remember Marble Madness! It was too short, in my opinion.

By the by, Rare was awesome. <3

 

[Luigitoilet]

What system is it for?

you should like this video

http://www.cinemassacre.com/2010/02/04/avgn-ninja-gaiden/

:D

 

[Kei_Takaro]

I was surprised at how decent Moonwalker is. it's actually pretty fun, if a bit weird and silly and sometimes creepy.

Awesome music and graphics! I remember playing this back as a kid. I never got past the Last Zombie Stage though, I can remember it up to this day. Those freakin' zombies jumping like bunnies piss me off.

 

[kupo15]

does anyone know where I can find a ninja gaiden wad? My source somehow lost half of everything he had unless its been switch to private. In any case, very disappointing.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

you should like this video

http://www.cinemassacre.com/2010/02/04/avgn-ninja-gaiden/

:D

Oh, god it is funny because it is so true. I am so fighting the temptation to save state, because I want a real authentic gaming experience. It is getting harder to resist that temptation as I get into the higher levels, but I have not save stated as of yet during the game.

Also what is wrong with the NES game metal gear? I thought the metal gear games were stealth based?

 

[Luigitoilet]

the NES version of Metal Gear is a mangled port of the original game, which was for the MSX. The MSX version is awesome, the NES version, not so much.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

Glitches and junk iirc had the MGS on Nes butchered ,no?

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

I took a break form ninja gaiden to play a little zelda 2, and wow that game is kicking my ***. I remember getting destroyed in alttp when I first played it and to be honest I have not encountered a zelda game, at least in my mind, nearly as hard as alttp (I also really enjoyed alttp it is my favorite zelda). Now, I for the first time pick up Zelda 2, and ouch... It is painful. Not that this is a bad thing but good lord this game is something else, I doubt it is as bad as ninja gaiden (I can not know that till I beat both games I am only on level 4 at ninja gaiden.) I could be wrong though...

Edit: Also "I am Error" (lol).

 

[Luigitoilet]

Ahahaha, you went from Ninja Gaiden to Zelda 2. Zelda 2 is like a tiny bit easier than Ninja Gaiden. In other words, I can just barely beat Zelda 2 but I can't beat Ninja Gaiden (without emulator abuse of course). It's hard as hell. It also happens to be one of my favorite Zelda games.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

Would it be shameful if I where to use a guide for Zelda 2? I do not mean look at a guide when I am stuck, I mean use a walkthough to walk me though it. I keep exploring the areas and I need to find the candle because I keep getting murdered at the dark caves.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

Na, with older games it can be hard not too.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Would it be shameful if I where to use a guide for Zelda 2? I do not mean look at a guide when I am stuck, I mean use a walkthough to walk me though it. I keep exploring the areas and I need to find the candle because I keep getting murdered at the dark caves.

the candle is by the very beginning of the game where you always start.

But there are some parts later on where you won't have a clue what to do without a guide.