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That's some straw man logic, sales = / = iconic status
So, amidst all the immense speculation, weird character choices, and impatience for the Smash Broadcast, I have a question for you all.
What are you most grateful for since DLC started back in April? It could be anything DLC related; Characters, Stages, and Mii Costumes.
For me personally, it would be the inclusion of both&
-by far the best thing to happen to DLC for me at least...so far the only newcomer to ever really get me hyped...so far he looks pretty solid but I can't tell for sure until he's released...but Cloud was actually one of the first characters I ever wanted for Smash waay back when...shock factor on its own wouldn't have hyped if not for that fact that FFVII was one of my favourite games back in the day...his reveal helped reinvigorate my love for the game and its characters-at first I wasn't a fan of getting 'another Fire Emblem character' but if we were to get any added into the game that would satisfy me 'Our Boy' aka my former number 3 in melee would be the one...his moveset has enough changes to feel fresh but he still brought that melee nostalgia-the two Zelda stages being the Pirate Ship and Hyrule Castle are definitely amoung my favourite DLC we've received...(of course a Clock Town stage would be amazing as well as unlikely as it is)
Roy, because I wanted Big Roy, I meant Eliwood in Smash, but he had like a 0% chance of actually appearing. Roy is the closest I could get to him. Lol I didn't even care for Roy in originally, but when he came out, he rekindled my love for FE. He's a really fun character to play, and he unexpectedly became one of my mains. He's the only character I play in Smash 4 now.So, amidst all the immense speculation, weird character choices, and impatience for the Smash Broadcast, I have a question for you all.
What are you most grateful for since DLC started back in April? It could be anything DLC related; Characters, Stages, and Mii Costumes.
For me personally, it would be the inclusion of both
Nope. Villager got in and he didn't even have a proper name until Smash. Steve's better off in that regard then a character already in the game...
Whether you consider Steve himself iconic or not, he represents a series that is undeniably and inarguably iconic. And you may say sales =/= iconic status, but the higher the sales, the more people exposed to it. The more people exposed, the more widespread, notable, and recognized it becomes. And what does it mean to be iconic if not widespread notoriety and recognizability? You're correct that sales =/= iconicity, but it would be illogical to say they're not linked.
Mewtwo, as the character I advocated the most for last year pre-release.So, amidst all the immense speculation, weird character choices, and impatience for the Smash Broadcast, I have a question for you all.
What are you most grateful for since DLC started back in April? It could be anything DLC related; Characters, Stages, and Mii Costumes.
For me personally, it would be the inclusion of both
Ok, you need to re-evaluate your criteria for what is considered and icon. Mario, Pac Man and Ryu didn't become gaming icons after four years, they stood the test of time in order to become gaming icons. You supporters of Mincraft aren't being fair in your argument and are calling for everyone else to accept your logic that sales equal iconic status, and you are wrong. Lara Croft is a video game icon, but has the Tomb Raider series sold 50 million? No, barely even 30, over the course of twenty years, but that's what makes her an icon. Her everlasting presence in the minds of gamers make her an icon. Steve is not an icon by any means of the definition, and Sakurai is hunting for video game icons, not characters like Steve who just got to the field
Dude do you know like literally any children. You can buy legos with Steve in them for God's sake, this isn't comparable to tetriminos at all. Minecraft is huge, will continue to be huge, and is going to greatly influence game design to come. To those of us who didn't grow up around it (like me!) it might be hard to understand but among kids (which are, surprise, Nintendo's target audience) Steve is easily up there.
Yes it does dude, Tomb Raider has stood the test of time and transcended video games twice over in order for Lara Croft to become a video game icon. You are just proving my point and running away from the fact that Minecraft is not iconic whatsoever in the traditional sense of what makes something iconic. I was off on the numbers for Tomb Raider, but it's still a fraction of Minecraft sales, which you keep forcing on everyone to prove its iconic. Minecraft is still fairly new, four or five years is nothing, unless you are twelve years old where every year feels like a decade
I guess Nintendo should just add every character the kids are obsessing over at any point in time a Smash game is released? Why not add Mickey Mouse and SpongeBob? We can just keep moving goal posts all night and speculating that Sakurai can change his mind about anything he's ever said, then we can add the guys from God of War and Last of Us?
In all fairness, Villager is a first party character. The standards of including third parties is much higher than the standards of including ordinary Nintendo characters. Every third party in Smash is a world class gaming icon. Minecraft is huge, but I'm not sure if anyone really cares about Steve? himself like they do with Cloud or Sonic.
Pac-Man didn't stand the test of time and yet here he is based solely on nostalgia... Everybody knows Pac because he was big, once, and that's about 30 years ago. Minecraft's reached the popularity threshold, but now we need some arbitrary time threshold too? Did Sakurai tell you how long it has to be before Steve can get into Smash? Because I'll wait.
Who set this standard, exactly?
No, it doesn't. Tomb Raider has a very large number of sales - more than even Mega Man and Street Fighter. Arguing that it's iconic despite having low sales makes no sense because it doesn't have low sales. Further, Tomb Raider has had exposure through movies, which boosts awareness of it even further through sales not related to the video game series. There is nothing about the Tomb Raider series that supports the idea that age > sales in terms of how iconic something ultimately becomes. Your point is unsupported by your arguments.
Ok, we are done here, you obviously have some agenda. You have no idea what you are talking about and this proves it. Pac Man is still well beloved and his game is still played by millions to this day. He is still appearing in movies and on television
Are you even listening? Those series stood the test of time and it took years for them to be considered iconic, nothing becomes iconic in less than five years, or do you just not want to acknowledge that and just keep repeating the same thing over and over? And yeah, Tomb Raider does support the argument that age > sales, because the series is TWENTY YEARS OLD in which all the exposure accumulated, it wasn't just created with all that material, it had to work hard to get those sales and extra exposure in pop culture
Even if he had made a claim you disagree have a bit more respect when talking to people. Your opinions are not magically better than anyone else because you might be older than some people. Also minecraft will probably be remembered in the future because it is literally the indie success story and has sold extremely well. Steve deserving to be in smash is extremely debatable.
Might as well say Shantae has no chance because she's a girl and all the other third parties are guys. Sakurai never said a third party character had to have a personality, just that they were iconic. You have no argument because this standard doesn't exist.
Pac's had tons of other games and they've all failed. That's what I mean by one and done. Minecraft is far too ingrained into pop culture to disappear in even 30 years. Anybody can see that.
Pretty arbitrary reason to exclude a character.
I wouldn't mind him if he got in. Certainly would be an interesting addition.
Exactly. Just because all the other third party characters aren't avatars doesn't mean Steve has to be excluded.
I think the reason he meant was they are all huge gaming icons and whether or not Steve is one is debatable. It wasn't because he's an avatar.
I've yet to say the same thing twice, so I don't know why you feel like I'm repeating myself over and over. Could it be because you keep on repeating yourself that you think I am? Interesting psychology here...
You know, I could be wrong, but I think you're completely misconstruing their post.
Yeah, nice try with your reverse psychology, but you don't phase me in the least
Burden of proof lies with you, and unless you have a crystal ball, you and other Minecraft supporters are going to remain wrong
So? It's up to Sakurai if he's iconic or not. By it being debatable, that means Steve has a chance.
And I consider Lucina to be the worst character added to Smash since Pichu, but Sakurai did it anyway. He doesn't care about your opinion, just like he didn't care about the Cloud haters.
Trust me. Sakurai's a crafty guy. He strikes when you never expect it. Did anyone really expect Dr Mario or the Wii Fit Trainer or Cloud for Smash 4? What about Ridley? He's never gonna get into a smash game! I thought he had a chance in Project M, but of course that had to get canceled. As terrible as a choice Steve is to smart people, I guarentee kids everywhere would go super saiyan if he was added in. He'd probably be a Link clone or something.
The original rival to . The start of console wars on the level that we know them. One of the series most infamous of varying quality for titles game to game. However, still stands as a massively popular series with at least an addition to the list a year. The face of Stealth. A series constantly referenced by the cardboard boxes and the iconic ! if nothing else. Quite possibly the only video game character who could rival to popularity. You can't really undersell the impact and iconicism of this guy. Jump 'n' shoot man. "Megaman styled respawning enemies" is something that gamers just know. A series that's branched off into a vast number of spin-offf series which, effectively, all have been held with great reception and popularity amongst their fans. Mr. Fighting Game. HADUKEN SHOYRUKEN are just things that go into common knowledge for gaming.The JRPG that hit gaming the hardest frm the series that defined the genre the most. Arguably our most questionable 3rd Party newcomer and even still he is a prodigous child of Square.
Nice opinion you have there. I personally don't consider the year that Super Mario World released to be "early days". It's clear to me that the only argument you have here is to present your opinion as fact without sources to back it up, so I won't bother any more.
It would be pretty cool if you could input your username / email in the game to use your own skin while playing as him.
LOL. Is this happening right now? I mention how I don't like a potential character choice and get lectured about how my main is a terrible character?
The Super Mario Bros. series was only about 6-7 years old, it's not my opinion, that's a fact. It was also the early days of gaming in general, nothing was considered iconic yet back then. Stop pushing your own agenda and trying to create a revisionist history
The thing that's difficult about choosing a second Sonic rep would be who. The most long-standing and noteworthy characters are Eggman and Tails -- the main villain and sidekick. But then Knuckles is actually a fighter who would be at home in this game and he's definitely the 4th most recurring in the series. Then Amy comes close after and Shadow is a fan favorite. Overall if they made any full-fledged newcomer for Sonic, I would bet on Eggman since he is the most differentiated from the Sonic cast. If this were to be the case, I simply thought making the other popular characters we've seen that can use spindashes and homing attacks could be fitting as alts.
Somebody's never heard of an example... Really dude, my point is that what any one of us think about Steve or any character really is irrelevant. He's popular though, and has requests in the ballot.
