Official General Post-DLC Discussion [Closed]

[Deleted member]

All we can do now is wait for Steve or Banjo to appear.

If Steve were to be announced over Banjo:

Yep... no other way to take a trolling that good.

 

[Banjodorf]

I'd like to think ballot votes would make the difference here, and considering Banjo probably has a lot more than Steve I'd expect that would matter to Sakurai. Plus, "People wanting Banjo in Smash" was basically an Internet phenomenon for a week or so.

If any Microsoft character is coming (still highly debatable.), I believe you'll make the right choice, Phil!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I don't care who gets in anymore!

No matter who it is, Sakurai can make any character fun and give it so much love that we think that he give more of it than its actual owners.

The only things that matter to be is getting a Bowser stage and Pac-Maze for Wii U.

 

[8-peacock-8]

You never know with Nintendo, buddy

The guy doesn't even tweet about first party stuff.

 

[Mobes]

I think Smash fans want Banjo more then Steve.. but let's not forgot how HUUUUUUGE Minecraft is.
If you want a characters tons of not-Smash fans care about, that's the one!

I mean, if Steve gets in as the last new not-ballot character, that'd be a big one. I'd also confuse the HECK out of most Smash fans. :D

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The guy doesn't even tweet about first party stuff.

True, but he's someone who works at Nintendo.

His Japanese bosses could've asked him to throw that tease for literally anything...

 

[Burruni]

Steve has a greater chance than Banjo.

Because Minecraft is recent, but massive. It gave a "rebirth" for creative games.

Not that we're getting either.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd like to think ballot votes would make the difference here, and considering Banjo probably has a lot more than Steve I'd expect that would matter to Sakurai. Plus, "People wanting Banjo in Smash" was basically an Internet phenomenon for a week or so.

If any Microsoft character is coming (still highly debatable.), I believe you'll make the right choice, Phil!

But what if, here's what if...

Ok...

.... a bunch of millenial children who play nothing but Mincraft and watch Kets Plays, stuffed the ballot with votes for "Minecraft guy."

None of us even knew, thinking they'd vote for Naruto or Adventure time.

Yep....

How would you feel then?

I don't care who gets in anymore!

No matter who it is, Sakurai can make any character fun and give it so much love that we think that he give more of it than its actual owners.

The only things that matter to be is getting a Bowser stage and Pac-Maze for Wii U.

Idk, with how big the roster is, I only play characters I think are intetesting. There's a,lot of characters on there I still haven't bother to even touch. If it was smaller, then ok.

Plus, the roster already has plenty of cookie cutter, "ehh" characters.

I wouldn't spend money on Steve.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If there's any recent character I'd like to see in Smash, it'd be the Inklings.

They're fresh, their game is fun and popular and, most importantly, they finally gave us a shooter game that didn't feel repetitive: Splatoon.

I honestly think they deserve a spot. If it ain't as Smash 4 DLC, it's gonna be in Smash 5.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I don't think "chances" matter anymore.

And... I think Sakurai is more interested in Banjo.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I don't think "chances" matter anymore.

The way I see it, chances never mattered.

Sakurai's gonna add whoever the **** he wants, regardless of how much sense it makes to add that character.

 

[Banjodorf]

But what if, here's what if...

Ok...

.... a bunch of millenial children who play nothing but Mincraft and watch Kets Plays, stuffed the ballot with votes for "Minecraft guy."

None of us even knew, thinking they'd vote for Naruto or Adventure time.

Yep....

How would you feel then?

It's certainly possible; though I'm hesitant to say that all those kids cared to vote on the ballot in the first place. My cousins who fit that exact description all forgot to vote, or weren't interested enough.

It's one of those things where it's certainly possible, but getting a certain character would take a concerted effort given the vastness of the video game world. That, plus there's also the possibility that all those kids voted for a multitude of flavor of the years. But who knows anymore? One thing Smash 4 teaches is to never speak in absolutes.

 

[Deleted member]

If there's any recent character I'd like to see in Smash, it'd be the Inklings.

They're fresh, their game is fun and popular and, most importantly, they finally gave us a shooter game that didn't feel repetitive: Splatoon.

I honestly think they deserve a spot. If it ain't as Smash 4 DLC, it's gonna be in Smash 5.

Putting the Inklings in as DLC is a complete and utter waste since you'd be unable to make use of the ink and squid mechanics due to 3DS hardware limitations.

Considering that painting the stage would make them a very unique stealth-based character, and being able to go from "kid" to "squid" is literally tge biggest feature in the games, it'd be an utter travesty to force them in as DLC only to make them generic shooting characters and thereby ruining them for future instalments as well.

Adding the Inklings would require a lot of changes to the current Smash engine as well.

I wanna see the Inklings too, but it's simply not their time yet. I'd rather wait for the next game, and see them done right since they have a lot of potential. Especially since a sequel is guaranteed, and they've been so successful, they're already iconic mascots. There's no way they're not getting in Smash. I see no point in adding the Inklings in, just for the sake of adding them.

Plus what better way to hype up the next Smash roster than by featuring tge Inklings as one of the first newcommers?

 

[Sceptile4Smash]

Minecraft on the Wii U...

I'm not sure what to think of this...

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Putting the Inklings in as DLC is a complete and utter waste since you'd be unable to make use of the ink and squid mechanics due to 3DS hardware limitations.

Considering that painting the stage would make them a very unique stealth-based character, and being able to go from "kid" to "squid" is literally tge biggest feature in the games, it'd be an utter travesty to force them in as DLC only to make them generic shooting characters and thereby ruining them for future instalments as well.

Adding the Inklings would require a lot of changes to the current Smash engine as well.

How do you know this? Did you try to impliment it yourself?

ARE YOU SAKURAI?!

 

[8-peacock-8]

The scary part is that Steve kind of fits in with the cast just as well as Banjo.

 

[Banjodorf]

Let's not go down that road at the moment. Call me biased, but I don't think he fits the cartoon style as well as the cartoon bear. But all the same, just expect anything, but also expect that the ballot will matter at least a little.

 

[Deleted member]

How do you know this? Did you try to impliment it yourself?

ARE YOU SAKURAI?!

No, I just know enough about coding and programming with how Splatoon works to know what would need to be done to implement their mechanics, and what would be too taxing on memory limitations. If you though Ice Climbers were bad...

Quit being a smartass and read a little. Or are you gonna tell me that only an Astrophysist can know about string theory? You have a library of information at your fingertips. Use it.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Minecraft on Wii U...

That means Microsoft is willing to share IPs with Nintendo, right?

So, what are the odds of Sakurai showing up and asking them if he can add banjo in Smash?

No, I just know enough about coding and programming with how Splatoon works to know what would need to be done to implement their mechanics, and what would be too taxing on memory limitations. If you though Ice Climbers were bad...

Quit being a smartass and read a little. Or are you gonna tell me that only an Astrophysist can know about string theory? You have a library of information at your fingertips. Use it.

I think this little thing could work -> http://smashboards.com/threads/inkl...quid-and-migrate.357786/page-92#post-20296515

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I GOOFED! PLEASE DELETE!

 

[8-peacock-8]

Minecraft on Wii U...

That means Microsoft is willing to share IPs with Nintendo, right?

So, what are the odds of Sakurai showing up and asking them if he can add banjo in Smash?

Well, he's clearly been interested in adding Banjo since Melee. Look at

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I think Smash fans want Banjo more then Steve.. but let's not forgot how HUUUUUUGE Minecraft is.
If you want a characters tons of not-Smash fans care about, that's the one!

I mean, if Steve gets in as the last new not-ballot character, that'd be a big one. I'd also confuse the HECK out of most Smash fans. :D

Steve will never be as shocking as Cloud was, because Cloud being in opened people's minds to the possibilities of third-party gaming icons with little to no history with Nintendo. With the confirmation of Minecraft for Wii U today, expect plenty of people to think about the idea of Steve being in Smash.

 

[LIQUID12A]

I'll be hella disappointed if we get no Nintendo newcomers at this point in favor of third parties.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Steve will never be as shocking as Cloud was, because Cloud being in opened people's minds to the possibilities of third-party gaming icons with little to no history with Nintendo.

How many times am I gonna have to bring up the first 6 Final Fantasy titles AND that FF7 was being developed for the SNES, then N64 before being PlayStation.

Cloud has some history with Nintendo. Only difference is that you have to dig pretty deeply to find some for Cloud.

 

[Pazzo.]

I'll be hella disappointed if we get no Nintendo newcomers at this point in favor of third parties.

"I decided to only add 3rd party characters as DLC, because, you know, it's not like this is a Nintendo fighting game."

-Said Sakuai never.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

How many times am I gonna have to bring up the first 6 Final Fantasy titles AND that FF7 was being developed for the SNES, then N64 before being PlayStation.

Cloud has some history with Nintendo. Only difference is that you have to dig pretty deeply to find some for Cloud.

That's my point. Cloud, whilst being a gaming icon was a character who had little history with Nintendo, only having relatively minor appearances on a Nintendo system in comparison to being more associated with Playstation due to the importance and popularity of FF7 on the PS1. Those were the reasons why most people thought Cloud was unlikely. Along with his confirmation, the revelation that Sakurai stated it was only a courtesy for a character to have experience on a Nintendo system made people consider other gaming icons they wouldn't have.

Also Final Fantasy having huge history on Nintendo systems=/= Cloud having significant history with Nintendo and certainly not the reason why he is here. Nothing about his presence indicates his appearances on Nintendo systems influenced him being in Smash. Rather it was the game that helped Playstation 1 be successful.

I'll be hella disappointed if we get no Nintendo newcomers at this point in favor of third parties.

I don't believe for a moment we are getting third-party characters from now on, seeing as Sakurai explicitly stated he wasn't going to include that many third-party characters because this was still a Nintendo-oriented crossover. Besides, do you really think, after Nintendo stated that their strength is their IP, that they would not have any Nintendo newcomers as DLC? That would literally send off the message that none of their remaining Nintendo characters are good enough to be DLC for their big-name crossover, not something you want if you're trying to ensure that your IPs are your main assets.

 

[Deleted member]

Minecraft on Wii U...

That means Microsoft is willing to share IPs with Nintendo, right?

So, what are the odds of Sakurai showing up and asking them if he can add banjo in Smash?


I think this little thing could work -> http://smashboards.com/threads/inkl...quid-and-migrate.357786/page-92#post-20296515

Did you read the posts on the next page that followed tge one you posted.

Everyone already pointed out the problems with that workaround.

For one, the 3DS is still holding the WiiU back. It would have to render a Max of four Inklings of four different colors for that to work.

On the WiiU, image having 8 different inklings, each one shooting different color ink, on the Wii Fit stage (although, doesn't the WF stage lose the mirror in an 8 player match? I forget). It quite simply wouldn't work, and you'd still have to wonder about their moveset then. If they can only lay ink with one move, and it's limited, then what? ALL of their weapons use ink.

And again, this still doesn't account for the fact that you'd have to redo the engine to allow the inking of stages.

Again, it's simply not their time yet. To which, I simply have to ask you: why have them now? If you're they're guaranteed to get in by the next gane, why must you have them now when it's too difficult to implement them properly?

Would you rather have them now, and not be as good as they could be, or be patient and wait for the next game and have them be amazing?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That's my point. Cloud, whilst being a gaming icon was a character who had little history with Nintendo, only having relatively minor appearances on a Nintendo system in comparison to being more associated with Playstation due to the importance and popularity of FF7 on the PS1. Those were the reasons why most people thought Cloud was unlikely. Along with his confirmation, the revelation that Sakurai stated it was only a courtesy for a character to have experience on a Nintendo system made people consider other gaming icons they wouldn't have.

That's true, but as you said, he's an ICON!

Ryu got in because he's Mr. Fighting Game

Cloud? He's Mr. JRPG!

If anyone from FF1 to 6 got in, only some old hardcore Nintendo gamers would recognize them and be hyped about it...

But Cloud? Everyone lost their **** about it and the majority didn't even play FF7 and I mean EVERYONE!

Cloud made too much sense since everyone knows him.

 

[IndigoSSB]

Would you rather have them now, and not be as good as they could be, or be patient and wait for the next game and have them be amazing?

Honestly, I would rather have them now.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Would you rather have them now, and not be as good as they could be, or be patient and wait for the next game and have them be amazing?

If it's possible, I want them ASAP, but I think I can wait...

 

[Dinoman96]

You know, everyone’s going on about either Steve or Banjo, but if Sakurai did want to bring in a Microsoft owned character, am I the only one who thinks he’d might go with this guy?

Now one thing that BK and Minecraft have over Halo is they had (or will) have appearences on Nintendo consoles, but as stated before Sakurai considers that to be more of a courtesy kind of thing rather than requirement. And hey, there was Halo DS in development at some point lol.

Sakurai stated in the past that he wanted to make Smash the best character game in the world, and naturally he’s living up to that promise by including such famous characters like Ryu and Cloud. Let’s face it, terms of popularity, fame and impact, Master Chief (basically Mr. FPS) and Halo basically blow Banjo Kazooie out of the water. Halo revolutionized the modern FPS as know it and became a cornerstone in multiplayer games. I honestly feel like the notion of the Chief appearing alongside Mario, Cloud, Link, Sonic and such in the same game together would cause more hype than Banjo, really. It’s like a GameFAQs character battle come to life.

But of course, all of this depends on if Sakurai can get or even want a Microsoft owned character in Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't believe for a moment we are getting third-party characters from now on, seeing as Sakurai explicitly stated he wasn't going to include that many third-party characters because this was still a Nintendo-oriented crossover. Besides, do you really think, after Nintendo stated that their strength is their IP, that they would not have any Nintendo newcomers as DLC? That would literally send off the message that none of their remaining Nintendo characters are good enough to be DLC for their big-name crossover, not something you want if you're trying to ensure that your IPs are your main assets.

He says little about the quantity, and is very vague about how many, he simply states that it's difficult, and he simply won't add anyone willy-nilly. He says that they have to be very "special cases." Which to me, sounds like gaming icons only.
So far it's held true, and his statement essentially debunks all indie characters, and less prominent 3rd party chars like Bayonetta.

 

[SuperNintendoDisney]

You know, everyone’s going on about either Steve or Banjo, but if Sakurai did want to bring in a Microsoft owned character, am I the only one who thinks he’d might go with this guy?

Now one thing that BK and Minecraft have over Halo is they had (or will) have appearences on Nintendo consoles, but as stated before Sakurai considers that to be more of a courtesy kind of thing rather than requirement. And hey, there was Halo DS in development at some point lol.

Sakurai stated in the past that he wanted to make Smash the best character game in the world, and naturally he’s living up to that promise by including such famous characters like Ryu and Cloud. Let’s face it, terms of popularity, fame and impact, Master Chief (basically Mr. FPS) and Halo basically blow Banjo Kazooie out of the water. Halo revolutionized the modern FPS as know it and became a cornerstone in multiplayer games. I honestly feel like the notion of the Chief appearing alongside Mario, Cloud, Link, Sonic and such in the same game together would cause more hype than Banjo, really. It’s like a GameFAQs character battle come to life.

But of course, all of this depends on if Sakurai can get or even want a Microsoft owned character in Smash.

This broadcast needs to be over soon, it's getting riduculos when Master Chief is a regularly considered newcomer in the minds of folks. Master Chief will never become a fighter in Smash, and neither will any of Sony's first party characters. They are in direct competition with Nintendo in the hardware space. Let's start being reasonable and use common sense without getting carried away with speculation

 

[Dinoman96]

This broadcast needs to be over soon, it's getting riduculos when Master Chief is a regularly considered newcomer in the minds of folks. Master Chief will never become a fighter in Smash, and neither will any of Sony's first party characters. They are in direct competition with Nintendo in the hardware space. Let's start being reasonable and use common sense without getting carried away with speculation

I was just saying if. I'm not holding my breath for Chief for the reasons you mentioned. I just brought him up because I saw some discussion on Banjo and Steve, those other Microsoft owned guys.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, I would rather have them now.

If it's possible, I want them ASAP, but I think I can wait...

Even at the expense of how the characters are implemented?

Why?

You know, everyone’s going on about either Steve or Banjo, but if Sakurai did want to bring in a Microsoft owned character, am I the only one who thinks he’d might go with this guy?

Now one thing that BK and Minecraft have over Halo is they had (or will) have appearences on Nintendo consoles, but as stated before Sakurai considers that to be more of a courtesy kind of thing rather than requirement. And hey, there was Halo DS in development at some point lol.

Sakurai stated in the past that he wanted to make Smash the best character game in the world, and naturally he’s living up to that promise by including such famous characters like Ryu and Cloud. Let’s face it, terms of popularity, fame and impact, Master Chief (basically Mr. FPS) and Halo basically blow Banjo Kazooie out of the water. Halo revolutionized the modern FPS as know it and became a cornerstone in multiplayer games. I honestly feel like the notion of the Chief appearing alongside Mario, Cloud, Link, Sonic and such in the same game together would cause more hype than Banjo, really. It’s like a GameFAQs character battle come to life.

But of course, all of this depends on if Sakurai can get or even want a Microsoft owned character in Smash.

I don't think he'd have an issue with getting a MS character in Smash all things considered. It just have to be a "special case."

On Chief, two words:

Realistic.Guns.

And no, you can't "change him" taking the BR from Chief is like taking the Ink from the Inklings.

Also, deja vu.

 

[IndigoSSB]

This broadcast needs to be over soon, it's getting riduculos when Master Chief is a regularly considered newcomer in the minds of folks. Master Chief will never become a fighter in Smash, and neither will any of Sony's first party characters. They are in direct competition with Nintendo in the hardware space. Let's start being reasonable and use common sense without getting carried away with speculation

Literally read the first sentence of that post.

"but if Sakurai did want to bring in a Microsoft owned character, am I the only one who thinks he’d might go with this guy?"
"if Sakurai did"
"if"

You're literally putting words in people's mouth

EDIT:

Even at the expense of how the characters are implemented?

Why?

The way I see it, the two options are either take an Inkling with different mechanics or wait about 5+ years for Inklings to be fully optimized. If Sakurai brings Inklings in I trust he can work his way around it in a creative way. And if he can't then I'm sure he won't bother putting him in the game, which I can accept.

It's a personal preference.

 

[Zzuxon]

Jesus Christ, Minecraft for Wii U is so hype.
Not for what it is, but because of what it means for Banjo.
The smash communities collective pipe dream has a very real chance of becoming reality folks.

 

[Dinoman96]

Honestly, I don't see the realistic guns thing as a huge issue for Chief.

The thing is, the Halo series features plenty of non-realistic sci-fi weapons. The energy pistols, needlers, energy swords, energy hammer, etc and like Snake he could use explosives.

My idea for for him in Smash is basically still be able to shoot people in Smash, just like he does in Halo, but with weapons from the Covenant....like how he does in Halo.

 

[Schnee117]

Even at the expense of how the characters are implemented?

Why?



I don't think he'd have an issue with getting a MS character in Smash all things considered. It just have to be a "special case."

On Chief, two words:

Realistic.Guns.

And no, you can't "change him" taking the BR from Chief is like taking the Ink from the Inklings.

Also, deja vu.

Except Chief's primary weapon is the Assault Rifle and realistic guns isn't an issue because of Halo 5's loadout REQs.

 

[8-peacock-8]

So the broadcast is rumored to be on the 16th. Minecraft releases on the 17th… oh... Hope the rumor is wrong but I want it to be right so we have a date.