standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Here's the zip. Each folder has the individual images for the animation along with the GIF of the move. Each GIF is labelled "attack" because I used a somewhat automated script to generate them.
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General Ness discussion
- Thread starter thesage
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Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
Wow thanks, you're the best! I see a more complete Ness Guide coming up!
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
Looked at it for a bit and here are some quick things I found. DTilt has the same amount of start-up time as his jab, which makes it a good replacement IMO.The first jab has this strange hitbox on the foot he's lifting but the second doesn't, probably part of the reason why it doesn't seem to connect well. PKT2 covers Ness' body but not his head, so (sadly) I think he's grabable. The disjointed Utilt and the strange body reflect FSmash are already pretty well known, but are pretty funny to look at. Nair is a bit faster than I thought, and his grab range and DSmash are so pitiful it's a bit funny.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Oh, about dtilt. Here's the funny thing, you have IASA frame 8 for another dtilt, but have IASA frame 14(?) for anything else. 
thesage
Smash Hero
Pkt2 is grabbable, don't the first couple of frames cover his whole body and Ness has invincibility frames?
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
Isn't that similar to what most jabs do?Oh, about dtilt. Here's the funny thing, you have IASA frame 8 for another dtilt, but have IASA frame 14(?) for anything else.
Yes, but there's still time after that where he's grabbable and the hitbox is still there.
thesage
Smash Hero
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Deleted member
Guest
no lol obviously not.
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
fair to grab CAN be legit at low %'s.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Lol. Sheik can just grab Ness out of his jump.
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
lol yeah that match-up is whack.
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
Fair will give you hell when it comes to edgeguarding, it's a good thing Ness can auto-sweetspot the ledge.
Jono
Smash Apprentice
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not with 2nd jump sadly
thesage
Smash Hero
You can learn how to "sweetspot" his dj though.
Sinji
Smash Master
I was watching some prog ness last week and he would f-tilt for an edge guard. I was saying to myself, nesse's f-tilt takes up a lot of frames.
Max?
Smash Champion
Since when does Prog use Ness?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
That was Prog's Ness on the stream? I thought it was somebody else.
Max?
Smash Champion
Ness Tier List:
1.) PC
2.) otg
3.) Mofo
4.) Yedi
5.) That guy I saw that one time
A ton of other people
1000.) Simna
1.) PC
2.) otg
3.) Mofo
4.) Yedi
5.) That guy I saw that one time
A ton of other people
1000.) Simna
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
... 1001.) Umbreon
thesage
Smash Hero
9000000.) thesage
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
Don't tier lists go best to worst
Max?
Smash Champion
lolll, I like this guy.Don't tier lists go best to worst
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Man, where's that ness hitbox thread? Shouldn't take that long. :<
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I know right.
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
Bones forgot about it. I would do it but I'm a bit busy and I"m in a bit of a mess IRL at the moment. Anybody else want to take it up?
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
I think I may just do it myself. lol
EDIT: Yeah, I'll just do it myself. I'm already about halfway done with the post.
EDIT: Yeah, I'll just do it myself. I'm already about halfway done with the post.
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Finished the hitbox thread. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304703
Bones0
Smash Legend
lullllz, I didn't forget about this, I just haven't had internet. My bad... my john is...
NESS IS TOO AWESOME!
Thanks standardtoaster!
NESS IS TOO AWESOME!
Thanks standardtoaster!
Sinji
Smash Master
even though ness'es nair is kinda weak. I find it useful.
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
I'm going to try to experiment with a more defensive Ness style. Unless you're afraid of getting hit with something like Falco's evil lasers or Shiek's needles, you should just throw out a PK thunder whenever it's safe. People get annoyed and you can make them approach like that. You can also swirl your PK thunder a bit to delay to chip a little bit extra at their shield. Then, if you predict they're going to delay their shield, you can just hit them right on
Easier said then done of course.
Easier said then done of course.
Sinji
Smash Master
yea takes a lot of practice. I found something out last night. You can wavedash off of a platform and bair immediately when your opponent is diagonally below you. Its an option I came up with when im under pressure.
thesage
Smash Hero
pkt camping is not very effective.
It good for pressuring people on platforms that are above you.
It good for pressuring people on platforms that are above you.
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
When I said defensive style I didn't mean camping, I just meant throwing one out whenever it's safe. Once they start coming back at you it's no longer safe to use one.
thesage
Smash Hero
Ok. I've been thinking of doing f-throw and then following up with pkt.
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
What stages do you guys usually play and ban?
Sinji
Smash Master
I like playing on battlefield. I ban youshi's story because the shy guys messes up my recovery (up b).
Or campy scrubs who like to run away and play on the Temple stage.
Sinji
Smash Master
So i was playing some friendlys yesterday and he was using doc. every time i try to edge guard him but his pills keeps on hitting me. I try using my DJ to keep my opponent guessing. but nesse's Dj takes up a lot of frames. Whats the best way to edge guard doc?
Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
You can reflect the pills with your bat (more of your body though, see frame data!) or cancel them out with a yo-yo which will also cancel the rest of the USmash animation. Of course, you can always use PKT which is somewhat safe. The shenanigans you can do have an endless amount of possibilities. You can pop him forward, up, or back by hitting them with the head. Tail whipping works to make him panic and use their recovery too early, gimp him, follow up into a PKT head , follow up into another tailwhip, or hit yourself directly afterwards (bring yourself to safety, blast them backwards with your butt, or go lolkamakaze). I think you also might be able to pull out on air attack to get rid of the pills then pull another one out to hit him too without having to DJ, but I haven't played too many docs.
Wait a minute. Your friend's Doc is off the stage trying to return and he's shooting his pills at you? If I am reading this correctly, then I'm very curious to know how and why this is happening. Anyway, back on topic. If you can distance yourself from your friend's pills, then try using PK Flash. I can't say it will work, but maybe. Unlike Brawl, PK Flash seem more dangerous in Melee since you can only dodge once. I usually go for that or try to tailwhip my opponent's second jumps or whatever they're doing so they mess up.