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General ICs Q&A Thread
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Zync
Smash Journeyman
I remember on my last tourney i was vs an snake player, screwing all the CGs, and a friend told me in the middle of the match, "Take a deep breath" Lol that helped
uh... so how come I can literally do nothing... and just wait for my opponent to do something so i can predict -> powersheild... and they're done. It's pretty silly how all i know is the CG's on every character but I can just walk around and stand and wait... IC's are silly. WHY
Alphicans
Smash Hero
NEED AN ANSWER TODAY!!!
I can cg really well vs everyone except for snake and MK :/. I've been practicing my ICs for a long time now (using them in lots of friendlies and some MMs) and now I want to use them as an actual threatening character in tournament tomorrow. Basically I dthrow to nana then fthrow to popo to the edge then bthrow when I get close and repeat in the opposite direction. My issues with MK and snake are with the bthrow. Actually I do have a good way of bthrowing MK now, but it forces me to dthrow to popo (puts me too ahead of nana to fthrow) and I am having consistency issues. I can't bthrow snake at all. Like a less than 10% success rate.
Sooooooo what's the best way to bthrow MK and snake? I am talking controller motions lol. Or is hobbling good enough? I don't like hobbling much either because it really ruins my rhythm and I usually drop the cg after I regrab them :/.
I can cg really well vs everyone except for snake and MK :/. I've been practicing my ICs for a long time now (using them in lots of friendlies and some MMs) and now I want to use them as an actual threatening character in tournament tomorrow. Basically I dthrow to nana then fthrow to popo to the edge then bthrow when I get close and repeat in the opposite direction. My issues with MK and snake are with the bthrow. Actually I do have a good way of bthrowing MK now, but it forces me to dthrow to popo (puts me too ahead of nana to fthrow) and I am having consistency issues. I can't bthrow snake at all. Like a less than 10% success rate.
Sooooooo what's the best way to bthrow MK and snake? I am talking controller motions lol. Or is hobbling good enough? I don't like hobbling much either because it really ruins my rhythm and I usually drop the cg after I regrab them :/.
Roller
Smash Legend
It is hard to explain over the internet. I wont even try explaining how I time Snake's bthrow. Just hobble him if you can't normally cg him. Like smoom said, it can be DI'ed and get annoying. But better than no CG at all.
For mk. hit back and grab at the same time. It works for me? Then just dthrow and take a step forward while grabbing.
Alphicans
Smash Hero
I figured it'd be too hard to explain. With MK I've found that if I flick the control stick instead of just tilting I land the bthrow every time and it gives a lot of leeway surprisingly. I guess I'll keep practicing it vs snake and MK :/.
You seriously just need to practice until you get it, there is no point in asking online it really won't help. I would recommend just learning to do bthrow -> dthrow over and over again rather than walking across the stage on mk. Snake I would say dthrow -> Fthrow is fine but Dthrow -> Dthrow is probably easier. If you are having trouble with the backthrow on snake(pretty sure it's only 1 frame) you might want to learn how to bthrow hobble him because that is easy.
Alphicans
Smash Hero
I hate the bthrow to dthrow. I use the bthrow to fthrow on a few characters, but overall I am most consistent with the dthrow to fthrow, and I am not gonna change that, because I can switch directions very consistently vs every character except for MK and snake.
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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It's 3 frames for bthrow on snake
You need to adjust spacing AND timing. I can wall of text explaining it if you want alphicans, but it won't be done by tomorrow. However, snake is in the top tier on "hard to CG" based on spacing windows based on my primitive testing.
You need to adjust spacing AND timing. I can wall of text explaining it if you want alphicans, but it won't be done by tomorrow. However, snake is in the top tier on "hard to CG" based on spacing windows based on my primitive testing.
Roller
Smash Legend
Wait. You guys have trouble with the Bthrow on snake? I more often screw up on grabbing the following dthrow due to spacing errors with popo. (at higher percents)
Alphicans
Smash Hero
Yes, I can't bthrow snake for the life of me. Dthrow to fthrow I find snake is one of, if not the easiest characters to do it too. It just takes so much space that I usually have to go back and forth a full stage length before I kill him. Hobbling usually ruins my rhythm, then my cgs turn out to be very half damaged.
Zync
Smash Journeyman
Is ROB terribly hard for ice climbers? I got on grand finals on a tourney today, threw ice climbers vs my oponent(ROB main) once and i got ***** miserably by his spacing, spam and him separating nana with incredible ease, oh, and it was on yoshis island. Help plox :.;
Alphicans
Smash Hero
Today I just realized that my TV is not even close to the same as a normal TV. Like I tried doing CG's today in friendlies before the tournament and dropped them every time, where as the day before I was doing friendlies with people and consistently 0-deathing... A lesson learned :/. Don't play on a TV that lags if you expect to play at a tournament which uses normal TVs. Goddamn, I was so hyped to use ICs too.
Mr. game and watch
Smash Master
Sad day.
Sieguest
Smash Master
This is why I don't really practice CGs that much anymore, and if I do I practice with my eyes closed. x.x
Alphicans
Smash Hero
Yeah... It's weird because I've played on normal TVs before and never had problems, but this time it was a serious problem. I am definitely gonna stop using my TV and will definitely quit wifi (I don't use ICs on wifi, but it definitely affects my game substantially).
Mr. game and watch
Smash Master
Wifi sucks. Also, change of frames per second on the box tvs, along with cg's under pressure probably messed you up bad.
Alphicans
Smash Hero
There's no pressure in friendlies. It was strictly the frame change that messed me up.
Roller
Smash Legend
^ this. idk any ICs that excel in the matchup, I'd like help on it myself.I'm bad at the ROB matchup. Sorry
Yeah, I cant practice while at school due to me only having an hdtv in my room. Luckily we had multiple smashfests per week there to keep me relatively competent. If you can afford it, a lot of towns have stores that sell things such as old TV's for really cheap. Or if you see a local garage sale/use ebay. You could probably get a smallish TV for $10-15 easy.
byron
Smash Apprentice
I have a question about chain grabs. When I chaingrab I grab with popo,then press grab a second time,b-throw and catch with nana press grab again,d-throw and catch with popo then repeat and finish with a d-throw to u-smash. Doing this I can cg ,marth,game and watch,pikachu, kirby, metaknight, peach, zelda/sheik,olimar,toon link, mario,falcon, diddy kong, ness,lucas, and the space animals. I can't chain grab anybody else tho. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
Roller
Smash Legend
You have to wait a little longer between throwing and grabbing on heavies in comparison to light and midweights.
Thedude3000
Smash Rookie
I Just started IC 2 days ago and I love them, i put them in my top 5 character even though i use 17 characters in Brawl. Still R.O.B. is my main and I have no problem fighting against him, i would say that if you have bad match up try playing with the other characther to learn a bit more about him.
As for the IC's chaingrabs, I have a bit of difficulty with the grab, B-throw with Popo then grab with Nana then B-throw again and grab with Popo, any tips??
As for the IC's chaingrabs, I have a bit of difficulty with the grab, B-throw with Popo then grab with Nana then B-throw again and grab with Popo, any tips??
Roller
Smash Legend
most people don't use bthrow->bthrow as their main cg. It's slower to start than say dthrow or fthrow. So at low percents it is easier to mash out of it. I'd focus on b-d throw and/or b-f throw depending on character.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
I thought if anything it was faster, it's just that it stales so quickly that it makes the CG annoyingly longer and thus prone to more slipups o_O
My favorite overall has been bthrow -> fthrow alternating, fthrow is technically their most damaging alternating throw (although not by much, it helps) and the fact that fthrow is constant among the cast means that I only have to time bthrow differently and not mess up the buffered fthrow. The only time I don't use it is against MK/really lightweights or heavy characters.
btw my favorite IC MU is against Olimar, they seem to cream Olimar pretty soundly.
My favorite overall has been bthrow -> fthrow alternating, fthrow is technically their most damaging alternating throw (although not by much, it helps) and the fact that fthrow is constant among the cast means that I only have to time bthrow differently and not mess up the buffered fthrow. The only time I don't use it is against MK/really lightweights or heavy characters.
btw my favorite IC MU is against Olimar, they seem to cream Olimar pretty soundly.
Mr. game and watch
Smash Master
my CG alternates arent that great. i usually just do fthrow>dthrow till like...60%ish depending on the character.
byron
Smash Apprentice
Is there a exact time frame to wait for grabbing the heavy weight characters?
I'm trying to chain grab king ddd but I just can't do it. I know you said I have to wait a little longer but I just can't get the timing down
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
if marth does his side b, which direction is better to SDI, in/behind him, or away?
Alphicans
Smash Hero
Marth usually goes for the multihit ending of DB, so I usually DI behind him and just grab.
Sieguest
Smash Master
Timing changes from character to character and to an extent on the percent damage your opponent has at the moment. So there's no exact time frame for any weight class.
To be completely honest though, timing is usually not the thing you should worry too much about, I personally think a lot of people grasp the timing aspect easily. It's the spacing that you really need to think about.
Roller
Smash Legend
^ I agree with this. Odds are your spacing is a bit off. Nana and Popo have set positions they should be in/moved to when throwing. Try going a little farther back with nana, etc. Mess with that aspect of it to try n' get it down.
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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If the Olimar knows what they're doing, it's not that bad for them. Like slight disadvantage bad.
It's just a super super super super complex matchup for them while it's fairly linear for us.
byron
Smash Apprentice
I'm not saying I invented a new chain grab or anything I just want to know if this would work in a real match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ba7eCKXXI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ba7eCKXXI
Alphicans
Smash Hero
SDI would make that not last very long.
byron
Smash Apprentice
I know the footstool IB lock setup isn't new. its just that when ever I see people use it they only hit the enemy with one IB, grab him again when he is forced to get up, then do more grab combos. In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OBD4mGQ0v4
9B does the IB lock the does a lot of d-throw,grab, b-throw, grab f-throw, grab ect. Im not that good at cg snake so I wondered if you could do the IB lock and just spam that, grab him when he is forced to stand up again and repeat that instead of repeating chain grabs and doing the footstool IB 1 or 2 times. Also what is SDI? is that when you point the c-stick in the direction of the stage when you get hit?