General ICs Q&A Thread

[choknater]

i have a question

how do you beat snake? LOL

 

[r3d d09]

i have a question

how do you beat snake? LOL

CP him jk.
I know hylian has a nifty grab technique on snake if he's holding nades.

Hopefully he will post with his expertise.

 

[momochuu]

i have a question

how do you beat snake? LOL

You have to play very carefully. Watch out for grenades in his hands and you can do some heavy damage. Don't ever desynch Blizzards in this matchup, lol. You'll get a grenade to the face. If I grab him I like to B-Throw hobble him and pivot grab him away from grenades he tries to set. I'd try killing with FSmashes during grabs. Snake doesn't die from charged UpSmash out of grab until like...150+%. >_>

 

[r3d d09]

So, i finally figured out how to bthrow constantly to nana. and I was thinking, I'm going to end up buffering Bthrow later on, so why not start it now since i heard it's different timing than a regular bthrow.

So, I've been trying to figure it out by myself, but can't get it down >.> so could someone help me out? when do i buffer the turn and grab for popo? every time i do he ends up walking a tad bit or doesn't grab.

funny thing is I was trying to CG for twenty minutes and couldn't get one off lul i'm not embarrassed I remembered i was too fast last time so i started slower. found out i was going too slow. yay for improvement :D

EDIT:
just for intents and purposes. How do you fthrow to popo, i can get nana everytime, but with popo, he seems too far to one step grab opponent.

Or do i have to do the fancy Fthrow

 

[o-Serin-o]

I can't regrab from a dthrow because Nana is too far... can anyone help me or should I just stick to bthrow alternating?

Also, FYI I use wiimote nunchuck.

 

[FrozenHobo]

Also, FYI I use wiimote nunchuck.

stop that and it should start working.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Yea... about that. Hell to the no. I'm not using GC controller.

 

[FrozenHobo]

well, then good luck with that. its light years easier with gcn controller, though.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Well then, I'll just lurk the boards and see what I find.

 

[choknater]

hm good advice karina

i don't really know how to pivot grab cg ahhhh

 

[r3d d09]

same here chok, we should have the masters help us out.

 

[theunabletable]

^I think the pivot CG might be where you D-Throw with Nana, dash with Popo, and pivot grab the enemy. I haven't tried it against Snake (although I've done it to other characters in the cast), but I bet it'd work well. I think D-throwing Snake might be slow enough to make pivot grabbing him out of a CG pretty easy.

I'll try it out in a few minutes.

PS. I sure as hell hope I was talkin' about the right pivot CG lol

 

[r3d d09]

I hope so too. haha. I've tried doing that version of a pivot CG, and it's hard, i usually walk too far. :/

I believe there is a way to just buffer the Fthrow so that popo isn't too far. I shall do some extensive research.

 

[choknater]

actually, i am able to do dthrow pivot grab, but only to light characters

i never figured out how to do it against heavies

 

[Smoom77]

Did you know that you can pivot nana when popo is holding her? You can do it with f and dthrow.

 

[r3d d09]

it's an auto pivot if i'm not mistaken. just how she walks away and when you let go of the joy stick she walks back to popo. But in the mean time she pivot walks. for me anyways

 

[Smoom77]

I'm pretty sure it's an auto-pivot when you do b-throw, but you have to manually pivot nana to get to where she can regrab fthrow the other way. Same with dthrow.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Does this work well?

1) Fthrow (Popo) -> BPG (Nana)
2) Time grab inputs one after another. This causes popo to grab and nana to pummel. Constant pummeling causes forced ground release which popo will grab them in the stun of the ground release.
3) Wait for Nana to return to popo and repeat till KO percents.

 

[r3d d09]

BPG? and id go with a different 0-death option. the timing will change for the release so there can be human error there. stick with other stuff unless you want to get fancy :D

My turn, can someone tell me the steps kinda in detail for a Bthrow to Bthrow chain? My popo is never in position and same thing with F throw to F throw. help me out :D

EDIT:
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UA-39fs8_g&feature=related
Help me buffer like our own IC main I can't get the buffer down correctly with CG's :\

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

BPG. Boost Pivot Grab. The ICs get an ever so slight slide to there pivot grab utilizing that tech. By inputting the BPG when popo has a grab will cause nana to perform the BPG at the same time popo fthrows. So pretty much it doesn't really mess up much.

And since I still cannot fthrow more than 3 times in a row I'm was looking into other options that are slightly easier. In training mode I've been able to get this to work 4 times for 0-death. Haven't been able to do that with any other CG so far.

 

[r3d d09]

I will try this out today, see how it works for me. So just forward throw > BPG towards the directions you were originally facing?

 

[Zero Hour]

I'm finaly close to being able to 0-death the whole cast consistently. The only thing stopping me from doing it on lights is that when i do the back throw to downthrow chain sometime when i B-throw to nana she slides with the grab and i can't always make there-grab. I've watch lain do the grab countless times so I know its something I'm doing wrong with the Bthrow but i can't figure it out. Anyone know why this is happening.

P.S. sorry if the explaination sux its the best i could explain it.

 

[choknater]

hm for some reason the bthrow timing for lights is the easiest for me


i'm STILL not very consistent at cging midweights

ahahah but for some reason its not that bad since i dont think any of them are that good vs ic's in general

 

[r3d d09]

mid waits as in MK and so on? they're the easiest for me xD I got a beat in my head. or when the stick slaps the side, i hit the grab button.

 

[choknater]

mmm like... gw pikachu mk are lights to me

mid weights are getting easier.. liek mario marth peach

lighter midweights give me a little bit of trouble, like ness lucas tlink

sheik/zelda are easy even though they are mid/light lol, for some reason i just feel confident that i will nail every cg against her, and i do

 

[Zero Hour]

I find it easiest on lights but i guess my timing is just slightly off wich makes nana slide when she grabs from the Bthrow. Just wondering if anyone know if it was because i was holding the joystick too long or something

 

[r3d d09]

Is she sliding when you back throw to her, is that correct?

 

[Prawn]

I'm finaly close to being able to 0-death the whole cast consistently. The only thing stopping me from doing it on lights is that when i do the back throw to downthrow chain sometime when i B-throw to nana she slides with the grab and i can't always make there-grab. I've watch lain do the grab countless times so I know its something I'm doing wrong with the Bthrow but i can't figure it out. Anyone know why this is happening.

P.S. sorry if the explaination sux its the best i could explain it.

buffer it

10buffers

 

[Zero Hour]

yeah its the backthrow, ill buffer it.

 

[Sky`]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMOiVHwXDu0

at 4:29, what kind of Decynch is that? =/ How is he doing that?

 

[Hylian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMOiVHwXDu0

at 4:29, what kind of Decynch is that? =/ How is he doing that?

Thats called a pivot desynch and is generally the best way to desynch and quite common.

 

[9Kplus1]

Has this ever seen any light?

 

[DZhou]

Doesn't seem very practical
You have to constantly keep attacking or else nana will fall. An if u get grabbed T_T

 

[momochuu]

I do that sometimes, but I really don't like keeping Nana unsafe like that for long periods of time.

 

[IxxI]

What are the mechanics of Nana being able to do that? xD

 

[Sky`]

Does anybody have advice on how to really land those Bthrows? And even those D throw chain grabs? =/

 

[lain]

Well, you know, you hit the direction, and you wait an odd amount of time, and then hit z.

Wonderful! You just did a cg.

 

[Sky`]

Get on AIM so I can obsess over you.

 

[WingBr]

Hey, I just stat paying ice climbers and have some questions (I didn't find the answer at the guide/ importants threads =x):

1 - What controller setup work best for ice climbers? tap jump on/off? tislt stick/smash stick? This kind of things

2 - When I was practicing ftrow to ftrow, sometimes I tilted the stick, the climber who was not grabing starts to move, but the other one don't throw the oponent. Why this happens? What am I doing wrong?

 

[r3d d09]

lol, odd people these days, and the edge floating, i've done that against a few people. I blizz them in the face when they try and recover. if that fails. nana usually grabs the ledge.