General ICs Q&A Thread

[lain]

Lol. I love you guys d'awwwwww

 

[DemonicTrilogy]

Question
I just versed another Ice Climber the other day who could do their dash grabbing OoS to cg almost all the time... However, when I do this, I usually get punished because they dodge... When is it a good time to grab out of shield and how do you get them into the grab? Blizzard for me doesn't work because they could freeze in it and you can't grab someone who is frozen...

 

[ChibiIceClimberz]

Question
I just versed another Ice Climber the other day who could do their dash grabbing OoS to cg almost all the time... However, when I do this, I usually get punished because they dodge... When is it a good time to grab out of shield and how do you get them into the grab? Blizzard for me doesn't work because they could freeze in it and you can't grab someone who is frozen...

Well, when they're frozen, they're not frozen long enough, the ice breaks just fast so you can immediately grab them after the freeze since they can't DI when they're covered in ice.

Or you cold do Popo Squall to Nana Blizzard to a Popo grab... or Nana Blizzard first to a Popo Squall then Nana grab.

 

[DemonicTrilogy]

How about the grabbing OoS? What would be the best time to do that... Even when they are finishing a move, they somehow get a spotdodge out..

 

[smaci92]

Lol. I love you guys d'awwwwww

<3 lain lol...I feel like such an idiot for forgetting you in my post. I knew I was missing someone haha just forgot who...

Chibi plays a beastly ICs aswell. ^^'

chibi is probably one of the best IC's on here (maybe even THE best)...He's amazing online and offline....It's just that he hasn't been discovered. I might get some vids of his Ice Climbers, just to get him more well known around here... chibi is too good...

 

[NinjaFoxX]

The higher the damage, the faster you have to grab out of a throw.
You're probably not focusing alot on it.

i dont think its focus,it could be my timing scince when I try to regrab with popo, i see the grab attempt but it misses. do you know a good char to practice my bthrow on?

 

[smaci92]

a good char to practice your bthrow on is marth (or other medium weight characters) or pika (or other light characters)

for lightweights like pika, the timing is simple for a bthrow to nana. you push the control stick back to do a bthrow, and like immediately after push the grab button again to grab with nana...or wait, were you talking about bthrows to popo? i'm too lazy to go back a page a read everything all over again lol =P

 

[Barge]

a good char to practice your bthrow on is marth (or other medium weight characters) or pika (or other light characters)

for lightweights like pika, the timing is simple for a bthrow to nana. you push the control stick back to do a bthrow, and like immediately after push the grab button again to grab with nana...or wait, were you talking about bthrows to popo? i'm too lazy to go back a page a read everything all over again lol =P

Pit was the only who really helped me get good with Bthrows.

 

[lain]

Metaknight

 

[ADHD]

I'm wondering what the fastest way is to have that glitch where nana is under the edge fair'ing while popo is in standing position above her. I got one answer but it seemed slow to perform and a little confusing

Also is there any hope vs metaknight? It seems he can just bait blizzards and then dair you and then just spam the tornado the entire time.

 

[ignore the fire]

I'm wondering what the fastest way is to have that glitch where nana is under the edge fair'ing while popo is in standing position above her. I got one answer but it seemed slow to perform and a little confusing

Also is there any hope vs metaknight? It seems he can just bait blizzards and then dair you and then just spam the tornado the entire time.

You can pivot desynch right by the edge, but this is sometimes hard to do. I prefer to have Popo charge a smash right by the edge and then just grab the edge with Nana (this is also done with a pivot desynch). I wouldn't recommend doing this against anyone with a decent recovery. You're basically asking for Nana to get stage spiked.

Desynched blizzards should be the only thing used on MK. Use his aggresiveness to your advantage. Keep him away with blizzards and he'll eventually make a spacing error and you'll get a grab.

In general, though, you're correct. Metaknight is hopeless.

 

[smaci92]

Also is there any hope vs metaknight? It seems he can just bait blizzards and then dair you and then just spam the tornado the entire time.

watch lain vids vs. overswarm's MK lulz. THAT'S HOW YOU PLAY A METAKNIGHT hehe...lain is too good

 

[FrozenHobo]

anybody know how to initiate the glitch where nana enters a continuous free-fall animation (even when you're standing on the ground) and causes the opponent to randomly teleport of they get too close? i did it in a match and i know someone mentioned it earlier, but now i can't find the thread....

 

[momochuu]

Also is there any hope vs metaknight? It seems he can just bait blizzards and then dair you and then just spam the tornado the entire time.

Now you know how I felt when you did it to me a few days ago. <__<

</3

 

[Barge]

I do better against MK than I do against Snake.
I can never figure out how to beat snake. Every snake I fight has different strategies, and I don't know what to do with ice climbers to get past them. Plus I have trouble chain grabbing them >_>

 

[momochuu]

I do better against MK than I do against Snake.
I can never figure out how to beat snake. Every snake I fight has different strategies, and I don't know what to do with ice climbers to get past them. Plus I have trouble chain grabbing them >_>

Me too... ._.

Does the fast FThrow thingy work on Snake? If it does that would make my life so much easier. Snake is so hard. :[

 

[L_Cancel]

The only thing ICs really have going for them in this match, is the ice blocks to blow up all the explosives D:

 

[B0mbe1c]

I can Fthrow Snake fine. MK on the other hand just has to stay in the air and find a way to get the ICs into the air. Thus making me sad face since I cant grab him. ;-;

 

[Teh Future]

metaknight is not that hard of a matchup imo. Chaingrabbing him is extremely easy, you just have to get the bthrow down and its a stock every time he gets grabbed.

He cannot do anything against blizzard. At all. Use it, and use it a lot, it beats every single one of his approaches.

Just remember dair doesn't work in this matchup

 

[Hylian]

Now you know how I felt when you did it to me a few days ago. <__<

</3

LOL. That has to be the ultimate make you feel bad post.

Too good .

As far as the Fthrow thing...I can do it to Marth lol. I think you can do it to everyone people just arn't doing it right >_>. Though I haven't tested everyone so I don't know for sure. But if I can do it to marth it seems like you should be able to do it to a lot of characters.

Also, my name is like IC's ice .

 

[smaci92]

As far as the Fthrow thing...I can do it to Marth lol. I think you can do it to everyone people just arn't doing it right >_>. Though I haven't tested everyone so I don't know for sure. But if I can do it to marth it seems like you should be able to do it to a lot of characters.

lulz so shall I go update the OP and say it works on medium weight characters too?

 

[smaci92]

What's "hobbling" everyone? I've heard that term used a lot around here? :/

 

[FrozenHobo]

What's "hobbling" everyone? I've heard that term used a lot around here? :/

the footstool cg.

 

[smaci92]

the footstool cg.

oh...i do that sometimes

 

[Fly_Amanita]

I only use footstool CGs if I'm CGing a heavy character and I want to turn around without risking tripping.

 

[ignore the fire]

I only use footstool CGs if I'm CGing a heavy character and I want to turn around without risking tripping.

I was just going to say this.


Question:

I'm going to my second tourney (there are barely any tournaments near me ) and I second D3. I know some of you second D3 as well, and I was wondering what matchups are much easier for D3 than for the ICs. My ICs are definitely better than my D3, but it's dumb to play matchups like ICs v. Snake when a counterpick would be much smarter. So I guess my question is: What matchups are so much more in D3's favor than the ICs that it would be better to just counterpick D3?

 

[JustNoOne]

Snake,Bowser,Samus,Mario,DK (debateable), ROB.... That's all I know... :3

 

[Diddyknight]

i dont get the buffering system >.>

 

[Bnzaaa]

Snake, Marth, Samus, Mario, and Rob are the ones I can think of.

Dedede counters Snake, and Snake hard counters the Ice Climbers.

Dedede counters Marth, and Marth counters the Ice Climbers

Dedede has an eaiser time with Samus than the Ice Climbers do. Same goes for Mario.

Dedede does better against Rob than the Ice Climbers do.

Game and Watch goes even with Dedede, but counters/hard counters the Ice Climbers.

For Bowser and DK you could use either character.

 

[ignore the fire]

i dont get the buffering system >.>

It's just entering a command before the previous command has finished, allowing you to execute a command on the soonest frame possible.

Snake, Marth, Samus, Mario, and Rob are the ones I can think of.

Dedede counters Snake, and Snake hard counters the Ice Climbers.

Dedede counters Marth, and Marth counters the Ice Climbers

Dedede has an eaiser time with Samus than the Ice Climbers do. Same goes for Mario.

Dedede does better against Rob than the Ice Climbers do.

Game and Watch goes even with Dedede, but counters/hard counters the Ice Climbers.

For Bowser and DK you could use either character.

Thanks. This is really helpful. I will probably stick to ICs v. Marth, though, because every Marth I've faced hasn't been able to space as well as me and I've gotten grabs.

 

[FrozenHobo]

Snake, Marth, Samus, Mario, and Rob are the ones I can think of.

Dedede counters Snake, and Snake hard counters the Ice Climbers.

Dedede counters Marth, and Marth counters the Ice Climbers

Dedede has an eaiser time with Samus than the Ice Climbers do. Same goes for Mario.

Dedede does better against Rob than the Ice Climbers do.

Game and Watch goes even with Dedede, but counters/hard counters the Ice Climbers.

For Bowser and DK you could use either character.

i agree with all of that except samus... i've NEVER had a hard time with samus.

 

[Bnzaaa]

I have yet to face a Samus, but it can be agreed that Dedede has a huge advantage there. It's probably because I struggled against Samus in Melee.

But with Samus' nerfs, it's probably in our advantage too .

 

[FrozenHobo]

eh, maybe 55:45 us. its pretty close, but her nerfs really make her less of a threat than melee/64.

 

[smaci92]

urhmmm...I think bnzaaa is right about samus. Samus' seem hard for me...with all those projectiles, i can never desync, and desyncing makes me play better...

 

[FrozenHobo]

urhmmm...I think bnzaaa is right about samus. Samus' seem hard for me...with all those projectiles, i can never desync, and desyncing makes me play better...

double blizzrds stop everything except charge shots, and ice blocks stop all of those (all sizes).

i dunno... i guess the only thing i'd watch for would be to not be above her. like i said, i've NEVER had trouble with regular samus. now ZSS is different....

 

[ignore the fire]

double blizzrds stop everything except charge shots, and ice blocks stop all of those (all sizes).

i dunno... i guess the only thing i'd watch for would be to not be above her. like i said, i've NEVER had trouble with regular samus. now ZSS is different....

I've never played a good samus, either. ZZS is another story. I got ***** by a good ZZS at my last tourney after losing to a G&W. It wasn't as bad as getting 3 stocked, and I won a game, but it was very overlwhelming.

 

[B0mbe1c]

Sams is much easier than ZSS to play if your ICs.
For Marth do bthrow -> buffered Fthrow. Works like a charm. :3

 

[ChibiIceClimberz]

Don't the ICs' Squall beat Samus's and Zamus's projectiles? I remember I've tried using Squall as many times as possible against a Samus that was spamming projectiles, and the Squall either canceled or the projectile just disappeared to the Squall.

Edit...
Wait, I think the hammers of their Squall beats the projectiles, but if the projectile hits the ICs, they're either get hit or their Squall gets canceled, no matter what, so the hammer beats Samus's and Zamus's projectiles, even Samus's Bomb Drop. 0.o;

 

[ignore the fire]

Sams is much easier than ZSS to play if your ICs.
For Marth do bthrow -> buffered Fthrow. Works like a charm. :3

My CGs against Marth are flawless because I play one more than any other character.
I prefer the bthrow>dthrow, just in case Nana slides too far forward on the regrab.

Don't the ICs' Squall beat Samus's and Zamus's projectiles? I remember I've tried using Squall as many times as possible against a Samus that was spamming projectiles, and the Squall either canceled or the projectile just disappeared to the Squall.

Edit...
Wait, I think the hammers of their Squall beats the projectiles, but if the projectile hits the ICs, they're either get hit or their Squall gets canceled, no matter what, so the hammer beats Samus's and Zamus's projectiles, even Samus's Bomb Drop. 0.o;

I've never thought to squall through the projectiles for some reason.
The ZZS I lost too zoned me incredibly well with the side B special (I don't know the correct name for it), and she comboed like crazy when she got in close. It wasn't an easy matchup.

I know this isn't the D3 boards, but why would it be smarter to be D3 against Samus. I sometimes use Samus and I love playing D3 because he's easy to combo and especially easy to hit with zair (Samus' bread and butter).

 

[B0mbe1c]

If you want an easier match, use D3 I guess. Considering you can just Infinite her to a F/Bthrow KO each time, it might be easier. But, D3 is big, so getting hit by many attacks is a pain.
While ICs can also inf. to get an easy kill, they are seperated easily and Nana is too easy to kill. Also, they are small, so it would be harder to survive at high percentages.
You choose.