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General ICs Q&A Thread
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smaci92
Smash Lord
lol I hate playing fatso's
Bthrows on them are soooooo slow. Makes me think I'm brawling at 2/3 speed
ChibiIceClimberz
Smash Ace
I usually go with dashed b-throws to a dashed f-throw or d-throw, it's much easier. When I f-throw normally, it feels uncomfortable... I remember online that I tried to CG Dedede with f-throws and it messed me up. X_x;;
With the exception of Charizard getting CG'd, it's like CG'ing Yoshi, so it's easy to b-throw him.
With the exception of Charizard getting CG'd, it's like CG'ing Yoshi, so it's easy to b-throw him.
ChibiIceClimberz
Smash Ace
If you're b-throwing Meta Knight, isn't it like b-throwing Falco and Fox?
B-throwing online
Top 5 Easiest to b-throw in order
Kirby.
Olimar.
G&W.
Fox.
MK.
Top 5 Hardest to b-throw
Lucas, LUCAS, LUCAS! >__<; (Somewhat different timing with Ness, so I'm guessing I need to b-throw properly)
Snake. (Depending if there's lag such as fighting someone all the way in CA)
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BTW, has anyone encountered a Belay glitch? Well, When someone grabs the ledge while Nana grabs the ledge and then Nana pulling Popo down? I've experienced this 4 times in total in one of my matches because he was trying to edgehog me. >__>;;
B-throwing online
Top 5 Easiest to b-throw in order
Kirby.
Olimar.
G&W.
Fox.
MK.
Top 5 Hardest to b-throw
Lucas, LUCAS, LUCAS! >__<; (Somewhat different timing with Ness, so I'm guessing I need to b-throw properly)
Snake. (Depending if there's lag such as fighting someone all the way in CA)
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BTW, has anyone encountered a Belay glitch? Well, When someone grabs the ledge while Nana grabs the ledge and then Nana pulling Popo down? I've experienced this 4 times in total in one of my matches because he was trying to edgehog me. >__>;;
Bnzaaa
Smash Ace
It's happened to me before. I swung like Tarzan
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ignore the fire
Smash Journeyman
This has happened to me against a G&W. Nana had just grabbed the edge and G&W used his upb to recover. Popo bounced off the trampoline and Nana pulled him almost straight down to the ledge. I didn't die, but it looked funny.It's happened to me before. I swung like Tarzan
Regarding throws and weights, this is what helps me:
bthrow>dthrow for light to medium characters. (If the medium character has a bad recover, I'll just do the following...)
fthrow>fthrow/fthrow>dthrow/dthrow-dthrow for medium to heavy character. For some reason I can't alt. fthrows against snake, but I can easily alt. dthrows. I guess just find what's easiest for you.
Also, against some heavies, footstools to a regrab (or even a pivot regrab if you want to turn around) are easier than alt. throws.
I've learned this through HOURS of trying what works for me and what doesn't. It didn't happen overnight.
I actually have a question, too. I can't do the usual dthrow>fair CG against FAT characters like Bowser, D3, DK, or Charizard. Is there a special timing for this? I've seen a video of Chewy (who only got 4% the entire match) doing this to a DK and I can sometimes do it, but not consistently. WHY CAN'T I DO IT?!
Bnzaaa
Smash Ace
I have trouble doing it consistently too. I start of with Back Throw to F-Air and then Forward Throw to F-Air if I really want to.
But then again I kind of gave up on it and just Forward Throw chained them instead.
But then again I kind of gave up on it and just Forward Throw chained them instead.
ignore the fire
Smash Journeyman
Yeah same here.
I wouldn't recommend the fthrow>fair option, though, because they can sometimes escape it with good DI. Same with the bthrow>fair.
I just stick with alt. throws and footstools.
Diddyknight
Smash Lord
soo much Discussion bout Cg....talk more about blizzard and squall hammer xD how many approaches does IC have anyway?
Bnzaaa
Smash Ace
Technically their approaches are infinite through dysynching and being creative.
lain
Smash Master
Yes but only a few options are the correct ones at any given point.
Stray Element
Smash Cadet
I keep trying to do ice block lock, and yet somehow I keep screwing up the timing...
Am I doing it right? I grab with Popo, Dthrow to Nana Fair spike... at this point I start mashing B to get em to start shooting ice blocks, but EVERY time there is a very short pause before Nana shoots hers, and my opponent can get up. Am I supposed to be timing something differently, or is my Nana just being stupid?
Am I doing it right? I grab with Popo, Dthrow to Nana Fair spike... at this point I start mashing B to get em to start shooting ice blocks, but EVERY time there is a very short pause before Nana shoots hers, and my opponent can get up. Am I supposed to be timing something differently, or is my Nana just being stupid?
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
i do fthrow -> fair -> IBL
it always works for me. you're probably timing ti wrong.
You do need timing... Try pressing B with Popo a little after the Fair so that Nanas will be perfectly spaced. Or just do this, which is easier IMO:
D/Fthrow -> Fair -> SoPo IB -> regrab and repeat.
Unless they TECh the fair or you grab to slow after the IB, it's unescapable.
D/Fthrow -> Fair -> SoPo IB -> regrab and repeat.
Unless they TECh the fair or you grab to slow after the IB, it's unescapable.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
can you guys see my new avi?
Bnzaaa
Smash Ace
I can see it.
Pretty funny.
Pretty funny.
lain
Smash Master
lol what the hell is that...
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
smaci92
Smash Lord
lol...popo turned black
ChibiIceClimberz
Smash Ace
Has anyone experienced where Nana doesn't come to you? I mean sometimes in Smashville, when we get separated and Nana goes to the moving platform, she STAYS there and doesn't come to you, and the only way is get her back. >__>;
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
yes. i've actually died with her still standing there. she is such a *****....
ChibiIceClimberz
Smash Ace
I don't like it when Nana grabs the ledge early when I'm around at the bottom of the stage. >__>;;
Stray Element
Smash Cadet
Yay more questions!!!
So yea, I have been fighting a Marth player for quite some time now, and the moment I picked up the IC I noticed something odd. His Fair, the best approach in the entire game IMO, seems to completely ignore my shields. Often times he will be doing the whole short hop Fair approach and under the pressure I will put up my shield, yet even though the shield is up and still fairly fresh, his Fair will ALWAYS hit and knock back at least one of my climbers. I know Nana puts up her shield a moment after Popo, but this is not the problem as I am actually standing there for about half a second before the hit with the shields up and visible. Anyone else notice this happening to them against Marth or some other character?
I just find it rather annoying that Marth's sword is essentially just saying "screw your shield I'm going to cut you anyway!". >_>
So yea, I have been fighting a Marth player for quite some time now, and the moment I picked up the IC I noticed something odd. His Fair, the best approach in the entire game IMO, seems to completely ignore my shields. Often times he will be doing the whole short hop Fair approach and under the pressure I will put up my shield, yet even though the shield is up and still fairly fresh, his Fair will ALWAYS hit and knock back at least one of my climbers. I know Nana puts up her shield a moment after Popo, but this is not the problem as I am actually standing there for about half a second before the hit with the shields up and visible. Anyone else notice this happening to them against Marth or some other character?
I just find it rather annoying that Marth's sword is essentially just saying "screw your shield I'm going to cut you anyway!". >_>
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
yeah, this happens to me as well. it gets so annoying, but you learn to work with it. i sometimes use it as a jump off point to a desync. just roll with the punches.
Get into the habit of holding your shield up against marth. It helps.
Bnzaaa
Smash Ace
This is always helpful against Marth. If you have tap jump on, it takes a bit of practice, but it helps.
Also, powershielding works too. If I see it coming, I just powershield it. If it tips, it leaves him open to punishment.
Stray Element
Smash Cadet
Wow I am a complete nub apparently lol, I completely forgot that you could actually move your shield around O_o
Thanks Hylian :D
Thanks Hylian :D
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Smash Legend
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It's good against MK's tornado too. I recommend getting into the habit of shield tilting. =^_^=
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
lol i forgot you can do that too... well, i'll have enough time over this break to practice up.
online is crap.
Funen1
Smash Journeyman
I forgot about that too. Hopefully I'll remember to practice that next time I play a human.
ignore the fire
Smash Journeyman
I have a question:
When I'm holding someone over the ledge for a no-throw spike, why does Nana sometimes not hit them out of Popo's grab? I don't think there's a damage limit, but I have no idea. I don't usually use this option so it's not that big of a deal, but it would be nice to know.
When I'm holding someone over the ledge for a no-throw spike, why does Nana sometimes not hit them out of Popo's grab? I don't think there's a damage limit, but I have no idea. I don't usually use this option so it's not that big of a deal, but it would be nice to know.
i did something and i don´t know what it is Oo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFhWNsGywI4
what did i? jump cancelled ice block wtf? normally the ice block would come out - or not? i´m not sure lol.
sry if this is a noob question but it´s confusing me lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFhWNsGywI4
what did i? jump cancelled ice block wtf? normally the ice block would come out - or not? i´m not sure lol.
sry if this is a noob question but it´s confusing me lol.
ChibiIceClimberz
Smash Ace
Never seen that..
Probably at random times it will happen? Because I never remembered this happening to me. Plus there wasn't a lot of ending lag to the Ice Block either... maybe similar to the Arrow Cancel from Link/Toon Link's?