Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
You realize he just copypasta'd the 'Currently Active Users:' section on the home page of the forum, right?
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Social General Ice Climber Chat
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ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
KenniSpam!
Smash Master
This thread needs more Mio.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
john!
Smash Hero
oh god, kennispam has found us, what have you done chok, it's only a matter of time before this thread degrades into oversized jpegs and mindless babble
choknater
Smash Obsessed
nah lol. pretty sure we'll still keep it srs. ic's discussion comes in waves, usually after tournaments and stuff, or when new ideas are found
KenniSpam!
Smash Master
Om nom nom nom
choknater
Smash Obsessed
LOL i approve!!!
painlord k11
Smash Journeyman
well i readed all of iceys non grab skillz first so im not screwed and rely on grabs way to much =D
choknater
Smash Obsessed
good stuff show painlord 
show em the pain
which you are lord of, after all
show em the pain
which you are lord of, after all
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Learning grab stuff is extremely important too though.
D-throw -> up-smash -> uair combo is really useful against floaties.
And being able to execute headbutt -> blizzard -> d-throw -> dair -> regrab is indispensible.
D-throw -> up-smash -> uair combo is really useful against floaties.
And being able to execute headbutt -> blizzard -> d-throw -> dair -> regrab is indispensible.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
what's this, i raff i chivalruse?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Um ... IDK what you mean, Chok.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
a pun on "you laugh you lose" game on 4chan when ppl post funny pictures and then ppl who reply say I LOST
sometimes ppl post a picture of scooby doo saying, "WHATS THIS, I RAFF I RUSE?"
sometimes ppl post a picture of scooby doo saying, "WHATS THIS, I RAFF I RUSE?"
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I still don't see how that was connected to my post.
But I guess the pun is cool.
But I guess the pun is cool.
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
voorhese
Smash Master
so when i wiff a chain grab, i just have nana do another blizzard cuz i desynch with the grab...does everyone do this? if not they should
choknater
Smash Obsessed
thats a pretty good idea but it sounds laggy o.o is popo safe?
voorhese
Smash Master
yeah i think, if u wiff the grab its cuz they are out of range and the blizzard is pretty decent on range, so basically when i go for my grabs, i always buffer the down b now, if i get the grab it goes into a blizzard when i get it, and i can time wobble/chain grab or w.e and if the grab misses, then they have a blizzard in their face so i can get a grab again anyway...
also you can buffer the down-b and have your sheild up after the grab.
also when i looked at the list of things that cause desynch i didnt see crouch cancel, if u are holding down and b and get hit as u cc nana shoots her blizzard, i have also been experinting with wavedash into cc (d+b are held) as an approach, i have got hit when i do that and nana does her blizzard, i bet it works if i get grabbed aslo, if they grab me they get a blizzard to the face and i get a free grab, if they grab nana they get a downsmash from me, this is all in theory tho, havent tested the grab thing, but i bet it works
also if they dont grab or hit us, we can put up our shield etc, or release the CC and grab (idk if thats a good option tho)
if you are wondering how u are supposed to do a wavedash forwad while holding down b, the trick is to hold b as u hit jump with the side of your index finger (a split second after so u dont actually use the b move) then wavedash like normal, and during the wavedash hold down...sounds complicated but if u have good tech you should be able to do it\
edit, now that i think about it i think i might hold the b after the jump during the animations where it wont do anything, ill go check
thoughts are appreciated =)
edit: k well i checked, and u dont even have to do a crazy claw, just hold b as ur wavedashing, and then tilt down...
double edit: the grab thing doesnt work until they hit you with something during the grab or throw you etc, so its not worth it, but maybe it is worth it to wavedash backwards and buffer the down b in case someone dash attacks you or nairs you etc, cuz ur CCing anyway?
also you can buffer the down-b and have your sheild up after the grab.
also when i looked at the list of things that cause desynch i didnt see crouch cancel, if u are holding down and b and get hit as u cc nana shoots her blizzard, i have also been experinting with wavedash into cc (d+b are held) as an approach, i have got hit when i do that and nana does her blizzard, i bet it works if i get grabbed aslo, if they grab me they get a blizzard to the face and i get a free grab, if they grab nana they get a downsmash from me, this is all in theory tho, havent tested the grab thing, but i bet it works
also if they dont grab or hit us, we can put up our shield etc, or release the CC and grab (idk if thats a good option tho)
if you are wondering how u are supposed to do a wavedash forwad while holding down b, the trick is to hold b as u hit jump with the side of your index finger (a split second after so u dont actually use the b move) then wavedash like normal, and during the wavedash hold down...sounds complicated but if u have good tech you should be able to do it\
edit, now that i think about it i think i might hold the b after the jump during the animations where it wont do anything, ill go check
thoughts are appreciated =)
edit: k well i checked, and u dont even have to do a crazy claw, just hold b as ur wavedashing, and then tilt down...
double edit: the grab thing doesnt work until they hit you with something during the grab or throw you etc, so its not worth it, but maybe it is worth it to wavedash backwards and buffer the down b in case someone dash attacks you or nairs you etc, cuz ur CCing anyway?
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
The reason that happens is because Nana doesn't actually crouch cancel anything. So it does desynch, but it's pretty slow because you're essentially getting hit, waiting until all the hitstun wears off and buffering a move (you don't get the reduced stun like you would from Popo's crouch cancel). You can also hold down and a to have her charge a d-smash, release the d-smash and grab during the initial knockback.
voorhese
Smash Master
thx i didnt know nana doesnt CC, i have 1 more thing i have been messing with and a question
i have been doing a pivot desynch into blizzard, then into shff bairs with popo (they auto cancel and are very fast) i think this could have some use for it not sure yet, maybe to stop approaches, lead into a grab somehow? shield pressure?
and i was wondering why i never see climbers using bair a lot i feel like they can basically wop with it, is there somehting players would do to shut it down? cuz i mean with wavedash and moving out with it i think it would be legit for spacing bairs as a way to play both O and D
i have been doing a pivot desynch into blizzard, then into shff bairs with popo (they auto cancel and are very fast) i think this could have some use for it not sure yet, maybe to stop approaches, lead into a grab somehow? shield pressure?
and i was wondering why i never see climbers using bair a lot i feel like they can basically wop with it, is there somehting players would do to shut it down? cuz i mean with wavedash and moving out with it i think it would be legit for spacing bairs as a way to play both O and D
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
B-air is like 50% of my game (the other half is u-air and blizzard).
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I use a crap ton of bair. Usually to beat approaches like Fox's nair.
Whenever I catch people who are in the air with a blizzard at high percents I go for an uair, but if they're at lower percents, I'll probably try for a ground move like f-smash and then follow that up.
Whenever I catch people who are in the air with a blizzard at high percents I go for an uair, but if they're at lower percents, I'll probably try for a ground move like f-smash and then follow that up.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
hm good stuff jason voorheese!
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
I've been saying buffer a desynch out of whiffed grabs for years......
>:[
Why does no one listen to me?
Besides, blizzard is a decent choice but at the point that you whiff something, your first thought should be making yourself as unpunishable as possible. Blizzard takes too long to come out. I'd suggest something like a smash or tilt or something. Something to knock the opponent away or at the very least, make them second-guess.
>:[
Why does no one listen to me?
Besides, blizzard is a decent choice but at the point that you whiff something, your first thought should be making yourself as unpunishable as possible. Blizzard takes too long to come out. I'd suggest something like a smash or tilt or something. Something to knock the opponent away or at the very least, make them second-guess.
Knew that it takes a while to get out of frozen iceblocks, it can probably be escaped faster, but from a hit that reached 147% my opponent was stuck a total of 19 frames in the ice cube(fox), should always get punished I guess...
choknater
Smash Obsessed
i've won a finals match with ice block freeze to uair when he came out LOOOL he was at like 190
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
Wooooooow
I know what I'm gonna try at my next tourney.
I know what I'm gonna try at my next tourney.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I love it when ice blocks combo into grab. 
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
i love when ice blocks trap people in their shield
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Short hop synced ice block -> grab shield pressure is quite awesome.
I like when Iceblocks either freeze like choknater mentioned earlier, and combos to something, or when they hit the shield, bounces on it once, then shieldpokes. I´ve got a grab like that once (freeze>ib bounces on shield>grab+ib hits)
Fly_Amanita
Master of Caribou
I'm glad that ice blocks were brought up, because that makes me think of a possible solution to one of my bigger problems. Lucky, and sometimes other good Socal Foxes, will often stand on side platforms and shield when I'm nearby. They can punish waveland -> grab/jab/etc. on reaction and will try to bait me into leaving the ground or otherwise leaving myself open, and then punish me.
Approaching with rising, land-canceled ice blocks should be a decently safe approach, provided I can do it well enough.
Approaching with rising, land-canceled ice blocks should be a decently safe approach, provided I can do it well enough.
You are a little too interested with blizzard. The better people are the less it works. It is awesome at first but really blizzard is really situational vs ppl that know how to play ics. As far as bairs, Falcon can stomp them, marth can outrange them, fox, sheik and falco can fullhop them so it isn't very good against the top characters.
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
Falcon can't stomp b-air unless he outspaces you. If Fox fulljumps you can intercept him with sh u-air instead. Sheik and Falco fulljumps aren't very safe, and although Marth will usually outrange it, you can occasionally catch him offguard with a wd forward b-air.
In summary: b-air *****, against all characters.
Edit: Falco is probably the hardest to use it against, because he can just laser and not approach you. Sheik is also kind of hard because of her weird sh height and aerials that beat/trade with it.
In summary: b-air *****, against all characters.
Edit: Falco is probably the hardest to use it against, because he can just laser and not approach you. Sheik is also kind of hard because of her weird sh height and aerials that beat/trade with it.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
played lotsssss of friendlies vs marth today :D gettin better at the matchup
ahchoomattchu
Smash Ace
Is there any chance that those friendlies were recorded choknater? I've been looking for good videos of the current metagame ICs vs Marth matchup on YouTube, but I don't think that matchup is played often anymore (gone are the Ken vs. Chudat days...) to be recorded. Marth is easily my worst matchup, and I want to see how it should be handled by today's standards.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
ahhhhh... no they werent recorded, sorry! i wish i could help u with videos.
i wish i could help u with videos.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Blizzard (intelligently) a lot, wave-dash in and out of shield too.