General Final Fantasy Discussion - Final Fantasy XII remake incoming!

[PsychoIncarnate]

It's probably the reason I don't use the main male character in FF's unless it forces me to

 

[finalark]

It's probably the reason I don't use the main male character in FF's unless it forces me to

So all the time?

 

[Jon Farron]

Ok, I'm LOVING the battle system. No more cycling through annoying menus and macros!


Did I mention the game is gorgeous?

 

[finalark]

Ok, I'm LOVING the battle system. No more cycling through annoying menus and macros!

From what I've see in preview vidoes it seems that the battle system is really similar to WoW and it's modern MMORPG cousins.

Not that that's a bad thing.

Did I mention the game is gorgeous?

Once the non-disclosure agreement is lifted you should post some screens.

 

[Jon Farron]

Once the non-disclosure agreement is lifted you should post some screens.

I'm already making a photo album :D


Edit: **** my account is suspended WTF!? I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING SE Q.Q OMG WTH


OK, wow got an email saying there was suspicious activity about my account and how they thought it was at risk and sent me a password reset? O.o


uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh? lol

 

[finalark]

I'm already making a photo album :D


Edit: **** my account is suspended WTF!? I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING SE Q.Q OMG WTH


OK, wow got an email saying there was suspicious activity about my account and how they thought it was at risk and sent me a password reset? O.o


uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh? lol

Given my experience with my FFXI/PlayOnline account in the past I'm not surprised. Square has always been a pain in the ass when it comes to setting up/managing accounts.

 

[Jon Farron]

First beta phase 2 schedule ended. I'm pretty impressed about what I've seen so far. It needs some tweaks and polishing, but it's definitely on the right track.

The players have a lot of mixed opinions, some think it will fail for being a WoW/Terra clone. (Though it isn't really a clone of anything outside of the standard MMO battle and quest system, but they're working to make it more interesting... can't say how though :S) Others are ready to open their wallets, haha.


I wish I could go into detail about the pros of the game, but I can't. D: I mean, I'd probably start my subscription now if I could. It feels right.

 

[finalark]

The players have a lot of mixed opinions, some think it will fail for being a WoW/Terra clone. (Though it isn't really a clone of anything outside of the standard MMO battle and quest system, but they're working to make it more interesting... can't say how though :S) Others are ready to open their wallets, haha.

If I get into phase III or when open beta starts I want to see for myself if it's a WoW clone. I played that game for... damn, like, seven years so I know if something is ripping it off.

Plus I've played a ton of MMORPGS in the past. I know quite a bit about that genre.

EDIT: I just read that we're going to get PVP in phase III. Interesting.

I really hope I get picked for phase III.

 

[Jon Farron]

I hope you get picked too! Then we can play test it together! :D lol

Did you take the survey or w/e after you applied? It increases your chances of being picked.


I actually have never played WoW (didn't look appealing based on box covers etc) so I can't say if it's a WoW clone or not, but the battle system so far is basic MMO style. They've basically set that as the base and are going from there. Apparently Phase 2 is pretty much Phase 1 but with the gamepad... Phase 2 will probably be pretty short.

 

[finalark]

Did you take the survey or w/e after you applied? It increases your chances of being picked.

Yop. Even listed the countless MMOs I've played and I mentioned the fact that I beta tested LOTRO.

I actually have never played WoW (didn't look appealing based on box covers etc) so I can't say if it's a WoW clone or not, but the battle system so far is basic MMO style. They've basically set that as the base and are going from there. Apparently Phase 2 is pretty much Phase 1 but with the gamepad... Phase 2 will probably be pretty short.

Despite the hate it gets, WoW is pretty good. Granted, the hate comes more from a stigma that MMORPGs have with the general public than anything wrong with the actual game. When EverQuest 1 was the dominant MMO it got similar flack. Honestly, my only real issues with WoW is the pointless faction system, the fact that the game babies its players and how every time a new expansion comes out every old piece of equipment quickly becomes null and void.

But I digress.

 

[Minato]

I still have to wait until the PS3 part of the phases, unfortunately.

On the topic of MMOs in general, I'm not a total fan for various reasons. One is the price, but that's not a concern if I really like what I play. Biggest problem for me is there isn't one totally suited for me. I like grinding, but I hate if it's just a matter of stats to beat something. Visuals used to be a problem, but I'm pretty sure XIV solved that issue for me with its graphics and character customization (now I just need to hope the PS3 version will look smoother than it did in the video).

 

[finalark]

As someone who has played MMOs on and off for years now, I say that if you're gonna get the PS3 version make sure you have a USB mouse and keyboard lying around if the PS3 version is compatible with those things.

Mouse + Keyboard + MMORPG = winning combo.

 

[Jon Farron]

The gamepad controls are great! but... it's gonna get annoying switching between loadouts once you get enough skills to fill the first one... So I'm just going with keyboard

 

[finalark]

The gamepad controls are great! but... it's gonna get annoying switching between loadouts once you get enough skills to fill the first one... So I'm just going with keyboard

Better for end game content anyway.

When the game launches we should start a Linkshell and invite everyone who posts in this thread that's playing. I'm really hoping they do well on end game content.

 

[Jon Farron]

Same here, I've played too many MMOs where the fun is leveling and then there's nothing to do once you reach max... DX

Btw, where's claire been?

 

[finalark]

Same here, I've played too many MMOs where the fun is leveling and then there's nothing to do once you reach max... DX

Really? What MMOs have you been playing? Most I know of have plenty to do at cap.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Most MMOs don't start until after level cap

 

[Jon Farron]

Most of them I've played have been F2P because I haven't found anything that really grabbed my attention. Let's see here...

Fiesta Online
Flyff
Luvinia
Free Realms (It's not free btw)

Those are the ones I actually got to a pretty high level/max at... there was nothing to do afterwards except PvP or something until they raise the level cap and make you spend more money. e.e

Now there's another one I recently got into which is DC Universe, and this one seems to have lot's of stuff after you reach max level, and getting there only takes about a week. o:

I'm sure a lot of the 'big name' MMOs don't have that issue though, but from the ones that I've played, I hope XIV doesn't end up like that. :S (I doubt it will though)

The last game I played that I actually truly enjoyed was probably Toontown when I was 9-13. It was so well done and had a lot of things for you to do, it never really got old. I just sorta outgrew it. DX Since then, I haven't found anything that looked worth paying a subscription for. I'm hoping XIV will break that cycle. :D

 

[Jon Farron]

FFXIV wannabe? O.o

Odin is even in it e.e

 

[finalark]

Most of them I've played have been F2P because I haven't found anything that really grabbed my attention. Let's see here...

Fiesta Online
Flyff
Luvinia
Free Realms (It's not free btw)

Well, there's your problem. Most free MMOs tend to be extremely light on content. And bad.

Now there's another one I recently got into which is DC Universe, and this one seems to have lot's of stuff after you reach max level, and getting there only takes about a week. o:

When DCU came out a friend of mine gave me the guess pass to play, but at the time all I had was a craptop and I couldn't run it. Now that I have a proper desktop I really don't care enough to play it.

I'm sure a lot of the 'big name' MMOs don't have that issue though, but from the ones that I've played, I hope XIV doesn't end up like that. :S (I doubt it will though)

Seeing how XIV actually has a budget, and XI is known for it's expansive end game PVE content, you can bet that XIV will actually have **** to do at cap.

The last game I played that I actually truly enjoyed was probably Toontown when I was 9-13. It was so well done and had a lot of things for you to do, it never really got old. I just sorta outgrew it. DX Since then, I haven't found anything that looked worth paying a subscription for. I'm hoping XIV will break that cycle. :D

Stop playing free to play MMOs, that's how you break the cycle =/

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Not all F2P MMOs are absolute garbage. Well, at least not the ones where you actually have to buy the game first, anyway. Personally, I'd recommend GW2 (Guild Wars 2) and TSW (The Secret World) as great alternatives to WoW. They're actually pretty damn fun. Other than that, Finalark has a point. Most of your F2P MMOs are actually terrible. Not only are they light on content, but they're also simply poorly designed and have these terrible "pay to win" models.

As for Realm Reborn, I plan on giving it a fair shake, like I do with just about every other MMO that comes out.

Smooth Criminal

 

[finalark]

Not all F2P MMOs are absolute garbage. Well, at least not the ones where you actually have to buy the game, anyway. Personally, I'd recommend GW2 (Guild Wars 2) and TSW (The Secret World) as great alternatives to WoW. They're actually pretty damn fun.

I really don't consider Guild Wars free to play. While it doesn't have a subscription fee you still have to pay to get in.

And I haven't gotten a chance to play Secret World, I've really wanted to though.

EDIT: I also usually consider MMOs that were once pay to play gone free to play exempt too. I still really enjoy LOTRO from time to time.

As for Realm Reborn, I plan on giving it a fair shake, like I do with just about every other MMO that comes out.

Smooth Criminal

When it comes out you should join our linkshell and do endgame stuff with us.

Until WoW comes out with another expansion and I get distracted again.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Lmao. I feel ya there, Finalark. Such a weird ass symbiont that we have with WoW.

As for what you were saying about Guild Wars and having to pay for it once to get in? I guess you could say it isn't free to play, natch, but the microtransaction model that ArenaNET employs is (IMO) what more MMOs of this nature should utilize. Not a dime can be dropped for something advantageous over the other guy, save for a relatively minor XP buff while leveling. That's it. Everything else is more or less cosmetic in nature. I don't mind making a one-time payment if it means that I don't have to worry about the other guy having deeper pockets, and I have access to all that the game offers right out of the gate.

I think you'll really like TSW. It may not have robust PvP content, but the PvE experience is simply top notch. Definitely one of the best overreaching stories I've seen in a MMO, at least in my limited experience. Questing is actually a challenge, oftentimes a brainteaser that will really test you. Reminds me of the old point-and-click adventures like Myst at points---just as immersive and just as challenging. The game almost taunts you by including an in-game web browser accessed through a menu (your character's smartphone), almost saying that "you're going to be needing this." I can't really speak for dungeons and raids, but I hear that the Nightmare variants can be tricky with some oddball mechanics. The game even gearchecks AND skillchecks you and your party prior to doing the hardmode, to see if you're up to snuff. TSW just went the same route as GW2, insofar as buying the game once (thirty bucks, iirc) and having unlimited access to the content after the fact. There are membership tiers, but you don't really get anything major that goes with it, save for some bullcrap vanity items and a minor XP boost at the highest tier (which, admittedly, is important in TSW as you more or less have to "level up again" in order to respec, but it's not a big deal).

(In speaking of that leveling up again thing, I kind of like the freeform building system in TSW. Sure, certain builds are more effective than others, but there is a ****TON to experiment with. The possibilities are near endless.)

As for Realm Reborn? I'll definitely join your Linkshell and do stuff with you guys. Just lemme know.

Smooth Criminal

 

[finalark]

Lmao. I feel ya there, Finalark. Such a weird *** symbiont that we have with WoW.

I've decided that once you start WoW, you never truly quit. Ever. Three of my friends still play and whenever I heard them talk about it it makes me want to restart my subscription so I can finish the dailies to get my Cloud Serpent. And then while I'm at it I might as well finish leveling my Shaman, Monk and Warlock, and I should get some new gear for my mage...

You know how it is.

As for what you were saying about Guild Wars and having to pay for it once to get in? I guess you could say it isn't free to play, natch, but the microtransaction model that ArenaNET employs is (IMO) what more MMOs of this nature should utilize. Not a dime can be dropped for something advantageous over the other guy, save for a relatively minor XP buff while leveling. That's it. Everything else is more or less cosmetic in nature. I don't mind making a one-time payment if it means that I don't have to worry about the other guy having deeper pockets, and I have access to all that the game offers right out of the gate.

I'll agree with you here. The probably I've run into with most micro-transaction oriented MMOs is that eventually it hits a point where your demo ends and you have to start buying EXP boosters and other pay-to-win items from the shop unless you want to spend the next several months grinding for eight hours a day.

I think you'll really like TSW. It may not have robust PvP content, but the PvE experience is simply top notch. Definitely one of the best overreaching stories I've seen in a MMO, at least in my limited experience. Questing is actually a challenge, oftentimes a brainteaser that will really test you. Reminds me of the old point-and-click adventures like Myst at points---just as immersive and just as challenging. The game almost taunts you by including an in-game web browser accessed through a menu (your character's smartphone), almost saying that "you're going to be needing this."

You have my interest. I've been longing for challenging questing, I'm tired of WoW's and other current MMOs quests boiling down to "get me twenty bear asses" or "click on this very bright and obvious sparkling thing."

I miss Myst too, while we're at it.

I can't really speak for dungeons and raids, but I hear that the Nightmare variants can be tricky with some oddball mechanics. The game even gearchecks AND skillchecks you and your party prior to doing the hardmode, to see if you're up to snuff. TSW just went the same route as GW2, insofar as buying the game once (thirty bucks, iirc) and having unlimited access to the content after the fact. There are membership tiers, but you don't really get anything major that goes with it, save for some bullcrap vanity items and a minor XP boost at the highest tier (which, admittedly, is important in TSW as you more or less have to "level up again" in order to respec, but it's not a big deal).

I'll really have to look into this game. I've been wanting to play a genuinely challenging MMO for a long time now and TSW looks like it has a very unique setting on top of that.

As for Realm Reborn? I'll definitely join your Linkshell and do stuff with you guys. Just lemme know.

Smooth Criminal

I'm not entirely sure I'll actually be able to do much end game stuff in ARR or any MMO right now for that matter. College and work eat up your time.

 

[Jon Farron]

SO what are you guys planning to be in ARR?
I'ma be a miqote Conjurer/White Mage. We should all start in the same town too o.o

 

[finalark]

I'm going to start as a human black mage. Since races don't have starting stats anymore no more racially based min-maxing I guess.

 

[Jon Farron]

If miqote doesn't get more masculine faces and hair, I may end up going with human... such a disappointment =/

 

[mood4food77]

as i'm about to beat both FFX (never played it when i was younger, started it 2 years ago on my friends game, just got another copy and now am at the final boss) and FFXIII (girlfriend's game, gotta beat it soon before she goes away), anyone know where i can get the other final fantasies for cheap

i've beaten 1 and 2, just gonna skip XI cause i'm kinda late to the party (since it's mostly online)

i saw all of them for cheap on amazon (all were under $10) except for VII and IV, but anyone know a better place?

well, i should probably say anything for ps1, ps2, ds and 3ds

 

[finalark]

i saw all of them for cheap on amazon (all were under $10) except for VII and IV, but anyone know a better place?

IV is available on DS, you might be able to find it at a Game Stop for around $20. It's also on GBA, which is usually the cheaper version.

Good luck finding a copy of VII that's under $30 if you really, really want a physical copy. Thankfully, the game can be bought digitally on the PSN for $10.

 

[mood4food77]

actually, that's what i saw III and IV on, both were for the DS but III was like 8 bucks and IV was 30

my roomie has VII on his ps3 but i'm only here for another month and a half and i doubt i'll beat it in that time, but thanks anyways

 

[finalark]

DS version of IV is $20 used at Game Stop and VII is actually pretty short assuming you play it smart and skip all of the side content.

 

[mood4food77]

i have too much ADD to "just beat" a game, i like side content

 

[Saki-]

:S Signed up for Phase III. Hope to be picked and partake in the fun with any others who are a part of it.

 

[finalark]

Thankfully if nobody gets into phase III phase IV is open beta

EDIT: Actually WM got into phase II so he'll be in phase III.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I thought the additions to the DS 4 were pretty good. It allowed customization of the group, even though they are locked into classes

 

[Lythium]

I'd say pick FFIV DS now, if you want it. They stopped printing it a while ago, and it's getting hard to find now. We get used copies of VII in at the gamestore that I work at occasionally, and it almost always sells for $50. V is also kinda hard to get these days as well.

Everything else should be relatively easy to find.

 

[LivewiresXe]

FFIV DS is getting rare? Weird. And yeah, VII sells for $50 now easily. It kind of makes me wish I didn't sell my complete copy a couple of years back that had the printing typo on the back of the case.

 

[Lythium]

I wouldn't say that it's rare. But it's gonna be hard to find new copies of it soon. We have new copies, but our supplier can't get them anymore. And I almost never see used copies at the store, so people like to hang onto it.

 

[finalark]

That's not that surprising. Even used copies of FFV and FFVI for GBA are hard to come by now.

 

[Jon Farron]

Omg ffxiv added the race stats back