Ganonic Grimoire (Social) - Commiseration and Hierarchy

[Xubble]

Dthrow at very low percents
Uthrow at mid-high percents
Fthrow/Bthrow to get foe offstage

That's basically what Ganon's throw game should consist of.

Assuming he GETS a grab

 

[Bloodynite]

if anything uthrow is probably most usable in doubles

 

[-LzR-]

Assuming he GETS a grab

Shouldn't be much of an issue and no ones cares about Ganons grab and so they don't actively try to avoid it. At least you can't die if you shield.

 

[Claire Diviner]

No one tries to avoid Ganon's grab because you don't need to try to avoid it for his grab to whiff, given the godawful grab range.

 

[-LzR-]

And that's why you can actually land grabs more than you should. No one really gives a ****.

 

[Bloodynite]

his reg grab range is beyond awful but his pivot is actually decent enough to use

 

[Fuujin]

At least it doesn't come out 12 frames

 

[Claire Diviner]

Ganon's pivot grab is pretty mediocre still. I think it's just as bad (maybe a bit better than) as Falcon's pivot.

 

[Heartstring]

Ganon's pivot grab is pretty mediocre still. I think it's just as bad (maybe a bit better than) as Falcon's pivot.

in terms of range the two are pretty equivalent...and then you look at the startups of the pivot grabs
Ganondorf: 11
Falcon: 16
yeeeaa....

 

[DLA]

Ganon's pivot grab is definitely above average.

A few things to note:

Dthrow is okay. Sometimes I follow it up with a full hop Fair at mid %'s, which will sweetspot if it lands and will often kill because they don't expect it and they DI poorly. Also it's worth noting that Dthrow COMBOS into Dsmash at 0% on Snake. The Snake Killer Combo is courtesy of Z1GMA.

Honestly I haven't experimented much with Uthrow. Mainly because it only does 7%, as opposed to Fthrow's 13-14%. Even if you punish their landing with a Uair or whatever, it will generally do only 5-6% more than simply Fthrowing them. Which means that in order for Uthrow + punish to be better than Fthrow, you'd need to successfully punish their landing over 50% of the time after Uthrow. Which I'd imagine is unrealistic for most people. I mean, this math is obviously inaccurate, but the general idea stands.

I will always Bthrow if it gets them offstage. Ganon is simply too good at edgeguarding/disrupting recoveries to consider anything else. Especially when other throws will likely give up his stage control.

 

[Rizen]

I was trying the Wario grab release. Is the re-grab timing for every grab the same? It doesn't work under platforms unfortunately . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSpgF2H3-TQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=175s I think my problem was I grabbed too late. Any tips for the grab and finisher timing?

 

[DLA]

If the wario lands on a platform after a grab release, aerudo them. They'll shield because they expect you to try to aerial them (which you can also do if they expect the aerudo).

As for the regrab, yeah it's timing. I never really do regrab stuff, air release infinites are dumb. As for the "finisher", just buffer an up-angled Fsmash to kill, or buffer a Dair to do damage and give a followup. No timing required for either, except the buffer timing.

 

[Heartstring]

 

[~ Gheb ~]

are you serious

 

[Heartstring]

This thread is dead mkay? I was trying to ressurect it

 

[Claire Diviner]

Yeah, not many people frequent this thread, or even the Ganon Boards anymore.

 

[Rizen]

This thread is dead mkay? I was trying to ressurect it

Sometimes dead is beddah. /South Park joke
The boards aren't too bad. All forums are suffering at this point :[ .

 

[Bloodynite]

since this is TOO dead here's the most unnecessary hyped match I've ever played

http://www.twitch.tv/thetantalus/b/335496227

 

[Heartstring]

Also, Apex. Who's going and who isnt

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I am going

 

[Heartstring]

I am going

awesome

we're going drinking

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I'm going drinking every night., you're welcome to come!

 

[Heartstring]

I'm going drinking every night., you're welcome to come!

I shall try
Although I'll need you to buy for me and let me just give you the cash. Im still 2 years shy of legal american age -__-

 

[Xubble]

Papa Mink, that avatar is scary.

The more I look, the more frightened I get. ._.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Got it.
Well, we'll prob be drinking in our hotel room for a bit, and bar hopping.
But you're welcome to join for what you can.

If we go to "The Golden Rail" again, it's a club and you're welcome to join.

 

[Heartstring]

awesomesauce, I probably wont want to join you guys on evening before the tournament, because im there for that. but otherwise, hell yes

 

[Rizen]

Papa Mink, that avatar is scary.

The more I look, the more frightened I get. ._.

^


I can't go to Apex. Too far and no $ .

With the grab release on Wario, is the re-grab timing the same after Wario air breaks at any %? I practiced on a lv9 cpu and he seemed to be able to act faster at very low %s. I got 4 or 5 in a row. Lol my 1st true infinite is with Ganon.

 

[Xubble]

The timing is always the same. Release animations don't "stale" as far as I know.

 

[Heartstring]

timing is the same at 0% and at 999%. the only difference is how long it takes them to break out

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

It's from the rap group die antwoord. Also, I arrive Friday. So, ill be drinking every night because that's how I roll.

 

[Rizen]

Photoshop and album covers, lol.

 

[Heartstring]

arriving friday?
but y'all miss doubles/ganon gauntlet

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I'll be in Philly Thursday night. Coming Friday am. Not pm.

 

[Heartstring]

oh cool, you gonna have your jiggs hat again?

 

[Bloodynite]

the gauntlet last year was on friday though...

when is Day 1 of apex this year?

 

[Heartstring]

friday is day one

 

[Bloodynite]

well arriving friday is still good for doubles and the gauntlet

I'm still unconfirmed but i REALLY WANNA MAKE IT DAMMIT

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

But you're so close bloody. Just megabus. I'm from fl.

And yeah gp ill prob have it just so others can find me.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Confirmed for Apex

 

[Heartstring]

But you're so close bloody. Just megabus. I'm from fl.

And yeah gp ill prob have it just so others can find me.

Yus, do it bloody!

And awesome, I should probably bring something to make me noticable too, hmm...