Gamer's Edge - SC/NC Brawl Weeklies - next: nevar

[I've Jihad It]

Cool Then I Suck =D

 

[Ryanarius]

It'd be cool to see ya there Ryanarius.

Its 4 and a half hours from me so unless attendance is really good I probably won't make it.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Attendance looks pretty good this time around, with the possibility of NoVA coming.

 

[MusicalMike]

Nova? What lol, I didn't know he lived around here.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Noooo, North Virginia. (No=Northern, VA=Virginia) Gotcha bro lol.

 

[MusicalMike]

Lol!
*Hides under a rock*

How embarrassing. xP.

That would be cool though to see them come though.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Yeah, they have some really beast players, including Cahosknight (a Marth), who has improved a great deal lately.

It's cool Kidd bro. I'll forget about it if you come to NC and playe me sometime =p.

 

[zCasanova]

bottom line is .. you won't have a chance unless you pick up Metaknight .. easy character

Snake's just as easy.

They're both broken to **** and back.

Play another character, and I think it'd be different.

 

[JMan8891]

Yea... i only have problems with your Snake... not really the alternates

That said, all your alternates are easily gimped

 

[MusicalMike]

Peach Ftw. That is all.

 

[JMan8891]

Sonic Ftw. That is all.

Had to help you out a tad bit, lol

 

[The Director]

bottom line is .. you won't have a chance unless you pick up Metaknight .. easy character

Question: does DK stand any chance? Everybody says DK has the advantage against Snake, but as a DK main I totally don't believe it. The big ape is just way too huge and gets eaten by all of Snake's explosions, plus he's easy to stick.

I know I beat your Snake the other night after the tourney, but I really do believe you were sandbagging. Were you??

Oh, and I need to play one of your characters other than your Snake. I've played like, all of Peter's alternates but I've only been eaten by your Snake lol

 

[zCasanova]

People say Marth goes even, too, but I disagree with that.

 

[MusicalMike]

Jman we gotta do Peach v Sonic sometime to conclude that statement .

I ban FD!

 

[kackamee]

Lots of stuff happens when I'm not thar. But just to get it across, my IC's are the best in teh world, I 3 stock all who oppose me. I AM ICE CLIMBER!

Sushi is like Kackamee. Parents crack that school based whip. One day, I'm gonna kidnap them both and make them win brawl tournaments for me. If they win, they get vanilla wafers. If not, they get the lash.



It's cool manski, errybody welcome in my thread.

ninja edit:


Chapel Hill. like 2 hrs from where I live

Lol, I'd steal your wafers and run.

If the next GE weekly is on Thanksgiving, I won't be there. Which means there won't be a tourney. I would imagine the attendance would be ridiculously stupid low, anyway.

If I did make it, I'd probzly bring half my family with me

As a half-rican, and a part of Thursday's Dream Team: Kunta & Kentei, i can play with racial slander as willy-nilly as a 12 boy when he discovers himself for the first time (greatest analogy ever)

I'm not sure wether or not your analogy offends me. And I thought you were all black >.>;
That makes me the only black person that goes WHOOO!

Ice Climbers Ftw. That is all.

Fix'd

 

[JMan8891]

That was full of win Payton...
My mom is as white as everyone besides us and Al-eter, lol
Sonic sup'osedly goes even with Snake too... speed makes him hard to trap, but i disagree: UTilt...>_>

@Kidd: Why ban FD?? its terribly neutral... u can't camp or float all match, and we have elbow room w/out platforms

 

[JMan8891]

That was full of win Payton...
My mom is as white as everyone besides us and Al-eter, lol
Sonic sup'osedly goes even with Snake too... speed makes him hard to trap, but i disagree: UTilt...>_>

@Kidd: Why ban FD?? its terribly neutral... u can't camp or float all match, and we have elbow room w/out platforms



Edit: Im much darker than you too Payton, lol.

 

[Ryanarius]

A lot of the vocal people in character chats seem to underestimate snake. Most pits seem to think pit has the advantage I'm pretty sure tl see the matchup as even.

I'm not really sure why my best guess is that a bad snake player can do better then he should because he's using snake and because he does well people view him as a good snake and judge the matchup from that.

@joe: For the dk matchup I think it's in snake favor. I've seen dk listed as a counter for snake and mk but I always get the impression that the vocal dk mains overate him a bit. DK has a playable matchup against snake especially in punishing snakes recovery but snake can give DK more trouble in recovering and is simply better on the map.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Yes.

Snake thrives in the key areas of Brawl.

He can kill (Utilt durrrrr).

He can edgeguard somewhat efficiently (Usmash spam and edgehogging/hugging).

He has far range on quick moves (Jab/Ftilt/Utilt), and they all hit hard which is great for individual damage racking.

These far-reaching moves allow him to chase airdodges as the opponent lands on the ground.

Snake has an auto tech-chase setup from a Dthrow, and his other throws are just powerful and get great distance.

Nades encourage the opponent to approach, and Snake has many setups/tricks used with them, in combination with the nikita, Dsmash (forgot it's name), and C4.

Snake can live forever, and is tough to get off of the stage to edgeguard at times.

His spotdodge is pretty good, and roll is above average I think.

His crouch is unusually low, which allows for the dodging of others' camping, plus he still has his useful Dtilt as an option.



Ok, that should be enough for now. Snake is a pain.

 

[Sushi-Man]

Snake and dk would have an advantage over mk if he didn't have whorenado. They both have superior power and, more inportantly, range.

 

[zCasanova]

I have to agree with Ryan, I believe that people underestimate Snake and overestimate their own characters. It's just wishful thinking. When coming up with match-up ratios, you can't pit your character, being play played flawlessly, against another character being controlled by an average user. It has to be a worst-case scenario kind of deal, and when it comes down to it, two equally skilled opponents will always come out with the higher tiered character winning, i.e. Snake when playing against the rest of the cast.

 

[ptown]

if you guys think snake is easy, i'll money match you. you pick snake, i pick any character lower in your precious tier list.

almost any character, i don't play yoshi and some other cutesy characters.

 

[Sushi-Man]

Im glad this tourney thread changed into a match-up thread. I will sum it up for you guys:
MK < rest of characters. This proves how skilled I am.

 

[The Director]

DK has a playable matchup against snake especially in punishing snakes recovery but snake can give DK more trouble in recovering and is simply better on the map.

That's exactly what I've been saying. DK can give Snake a run for his money, but in the hands of somebody like Ali it's not even worth the trouble lol

Snake and dk would have an advantage over mk if he didn't have whorenado. They both have superior power and, more inportantly, range.

I have to disagree. DK does have the advantage over MK. Granted he's easily sucked into the tornado, but that **** thing is a problem for everyone. DK can take one hell of a beating, is very hard to gimp, and can kill MK with downsmash at 70%. And we all know how much MK looooves the giant punch.

Speaking of the MK/DK matchup, we need to play again Sushi. I can't believe we didn't do any friendlies on Saturday. **** PnT tournies being all crappy.

 

[JMan8891]

Quite the opposie Sushi

I think Peter teh bomb due to the fadt that on random, he's too good
Devin's beat me w/out his main too.
MK is broken worse than Snake when playe perfectly, however, cue to Utilt, pwr, range, camping, ect, you can play just decent and win with Snake. Hence, he should be top tier again
Lets just say i'd rathe fight Mk, considered by most Sonic's worst matchup, than Snake unless played by noobs; then i'd flip it, lol.

MK is hard to punish due to overwhelming attack speed, but he's a feather that KOs a bit harder than Sonic (albeit far easier to connect with) Snake just can camp, out range, out prioritize, and tilt to victory. Hard to ko wherareas for him its far too easy... broke

 

[JMan8891]

I type like a tard on my PS3, i needs a keyboard for dis summa-bich

 

[zCasanova]

if you guys think snake is easy, i'll money match you. you pick snake, i pick any character lower in your precious tier list.

almost any character, i don't play yoshi and some other cutesy characters.

Tier list isn't precious, we're just saying part of the reason Ali dominates is because he mains Snake, any other character and I dare say it wouldn't be the same.

It's not that Snake's easy, but two equally skilled players, one playing with Snake and the other with someone lower on the list, and the outcome will always be Snake as the winner.

We see it all the time when you and Ali play--I consider you both to be around the same skill level, but because you've chosen Ike, the odds are against you. Doesn't mean you won't win every now and again, but because Snake is who he is, and the match-up's in his favor, you're going to lose more often than not.

 

[Ryanarius]

if you guys think snake is easy, i'll money match you. you pick snake, i pick any character lower in your precious tier list.

almost any character, i don't play yoshi and some other cutesy characters.

I accept that challenge. I secondary snake... put a lot less time into him than my pit and I still use him as my get out of hard game card. Snake is at least easier than the other character's I play.

 

[Lareit]

I accept that challenge. I secondary snake... put a lot less time into him than my pit and I still use him as my get out of hard game card. Snake is at least easier then the other character's I play.

Ryan plays snake almost exactly like I did when I mained him.

Ali's snake is actually very different.

However, as a former snake main, I find I can't really go back to play him at nearly the level I used to. It takes alot of mental discipline to actively use all of snake's tools properly, discipline I lost now that I'm fixated on Captain Falcon.

I hardly shield nade, I rarely mortar camp protect myself, do fewer nade tricks and apply C4 much more predictably.

Snake isn't a hard character to use due to the virtue of his excellent tilts, but the difference in bringing him up the next level is quite dramatic from other chracters due to the fact his projectile game gives him a significant number of tools to combat any situation and you need disicpline to use them and use them properly.

That said, he's still a crutch.

 

[JMan8891]

Yea... tiers should'nt matter, but they do...>_>
Al-eter's magches take long times due to = or near equal skill. Ali tends to win due to tiers and snake

 

[ImpactAR]

Alright, guys to be fair about the ease of using Snake, most of us here can only really say he's overpowered and certain aspects of him are broken, because we don't dedicate serious play with Snake. If you're going to have a say that Snake is easy than you should at least play Snake to a respectable degree.

I think most people here don't mean Snake is "pick up and play and win." They mean he's has certain properties that are "overpowered and imbalanced" where moderate players can pick him up and be annoying while in the hands of better players it can be devastating.

Snake hits quick and hard, has good range, great knock back, and good recovery time. Most of the cast has to work harder and be very careful because of this. I main TL as you guys know. It's quite annoying that I Snake does more damage per hit and kill me at lower percentages. Devin's Marth, Jman's Sonic, Ryan's Pit. All have the same problem.

Peter in your case it's quite impressive that you can handle Snake well with Ike. Ike has some weight to help. But you have to admit, a split kick shouldn't launch you that high into the sky.

 

[JMan8891]

Starts a slow clap*
Kudos Khai, you put the nail on that one

 

[The Director]

discipline I lost now that I'm fixated on Captain Falcon.

lol cause the good Captain is like, the complete opposite of Snake.

CF: Okay!! ARRG! Punch! Kick! SPEED!! Knee!! Knee!! Explosion hump!!

Snake: Okay...sneak around...mortar...grenade...grenade...grenade...NOW! (explosion)

 

[Lareit]

lol cause the good Captain is like, the complete opposite of Snake.

CF: Okay!! ARRG! Punch! Kick! SPEED!! Knee!! Knee!! Explosion hump!!

Snake: Okay...sneak around...mortar...grenade...grenade...grenade...NOW! (explosion)

Indeed, I need to start screaming my primal fury as I play falcon.

 

[Criosphinx]

Indeed, I need to start screaming my primal fury as I play falcon.

I agree.

On the topic of snake.

I play snake every now and then (gofigurelolz). I think I have a respectable, if not decent snake, though I've only played him in friendlies against like... Adam. I can agree with what he said, on the topic of reaching a certain plateau of skill. To truly excel with Snake, it does take a regular amount of commitment to the character, a unique mindset.

However, I think what people are trying to say, yet not fully phrasing correctly is this.

It takes less effort to succeed with Snake, than it does with most other characters. That is to say, it takes less commitment to be good (read: not great), than it would with lower tiered characters.

And as someone who plays everyone (except for Sonic, he's too steak for me), I approve this message.

/obama.

 

[I've Jihad It]

i'll play all .. falco and show you that it doesnt really matter

I think snake is hard to use if all you know how to do is use his tilts .. **** wont work against big people like chu dat .. chillin

 

[Dr Peepee]

Ali, if you would be so kind, please explain to me why I cannot consistently beat your Snake (lol?), but I learned the Falco matchup after 5 matches with you and started winning? I am NOT harrassing you, but I wanna get your take on this. As usual, I'm curious.

 

[Criosphinx]

Falco is a pretty subpar character after chaingrab / lasers. Learn to not get gimped early by the CG, walk / Power shield the lasers, and Marth's game walks all over Falco players. Fsmash tipped is orgasmic against falco phantasm.

 

[Dr Peepee]

So then, it's just the matchup right? Is the only reason that I lose to Ali's Snake then is that the matchup is 45-55 Snake (I mean, I know the statistical reason why, but I'm wondering if it's the player)? That seems a little odd....

 

[I've Jihad It]

I dunno dr.peepee .. with snake .. I use a lot of the bomb stuff intellegently and not just to for the sake of throwin many bombs .. I use tilts when necessary ...

I dunno if that answers your question , its really all I can think of right now ..

falco is pretty good .. but I just dont use him often , and I probably use some same moves so you beat it , oh yeah and falco cant chain grab marth so its obviously harder to beat marth

actually I picked up dedede the other day .. i'll try him out