G3S Mafia | Day 4 starts | Deadline: 1st Feb [11:59pm CET]

[Omni]

Why I asked Inferno that question is unimportant. I obviously have my own information that I was trying to glean from it or else I wouldn't have asked it. Just because you don't see the intent behind a question doesn't mean you have to bother addressing it. Why you're trying to press the issue further astounds me.

it astounds you that i'm asking you the intention of your questions? interesting. i think it would be more astounding if people didn't ask what the intention was to such an obvious answer.

Now, if you were trying to accuse me of faking content or asking useless questions, that would be another story. Because you'd actually be doing something. Not just simply interjecting because it provides an outlet for appearing to scumhunt.

i definitely implied it, yes. which is why i asked what your intention was. however, you have failed to provide any input on your intention for asking such a basic question. which leads me to believe that, yes, you're blowing questions out ya' *** cuzzo

Your play throughout this game has length but no substance. You comment on aspects of the game but you don't analyze them. You just attempt to restate them in a clever way to show everyone you understand whats going on, but you never actually stick your neck out and play the game. You only started doing that after being put at L-2, when you realized that you would have to get your hands dirty or face your own scum lynch. This is why you're now suddenly posting in bulk with the content you so abstained from giving earlier in the game: because your lynch depends on it. Self preservation at its finest.

negative. i made my stances clear when Inferno asked me what they were with the inactives gone, bro. i know my neck would be out for deeming Axel/Xonar scummy since generally most people find them to be more townie. i have been posting in ****ing large bulks this entire day even before I was D2. respond to this.

Even large parts of your new posts are inconsequential. Just IIoA and johning about inactivity or the intelligence level of other players in the game.

alot of it was yes. wont deny that

Not to mention the fact that a good majority of your posts before a wagon erupted on you were the most noncommittal pieces of uselessness that I've read in awhile. Off the top of my head I can remember numerous occasions where I thought you just might start actually making an assertion, just to end the post with a "well, idk, maybe something else could have accounted for it."

what part of, "i like to withhold my stances until everyone in the game posts" doesn't sink in? i literally stated this comment EARLY in the game. very early. i would have never guessed that it would take nearly a week and a half for that to happen. and before it even happened i committed to a very large stance after Inferno asked for my reads. this touches on the previous paragraph.

respond to this, Kuz. because right now i think im battling more with misinformation from you than actual viable scummy points that should exist

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

OMNI BE CONCRETE WHEN GOING IN IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS

Your replies should be a big quote, with highlights and colors.
Then at the end of the post, you sum the points up and refer to highlights and colors.

Then you refute the points one by one, concretely. These multi-quote posts are simply anti-town and are nothing but stalling at this point. I thought you hated anti-town players? Should we lynch you on your own policy?

 

[felipe_9595]

inb4 Omni makes a giant useless post explaining what he does is not antitown

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

^You were too late bro.

 

[Omni]

Are you blind? I've had the most heated discussion with Ryker earlier today. Not to mention, I've actually been poking Kuz as soon as I had the opportunity. I'm looking further, and actively at that. I have set goals and follow them.

You seem to be tunneling me purely out of consistency and to be able to be "doing something". One of my largest scumtells.

Besides, I've actually followed through on you. Hard. I've garnered a wagon and multiple posts pointing out scuminess. You... have been talking about not liking me.

Regardless, don't go into this post too deep, except if you feel like your answers are CONCRETE and lead to ANSWERS.

hm.

your discussion with Ryker was litreally game mechanic based, dude. and yes, you're poking Kuz just like i'm poking Kuz and how im now poking Soupa.

ive been tunneling the idea of getting a proper wagon on you, Xonar, because i've wanted to hear a clear stance on what everyone thinks of you. mainly, ive wanted to hear why Axel has been so blindly ok with your actions which i know Zen would not be OK with i.e. the felipe reaction. but there's been no concentration on you despite me wanting to have it.

and i have been talking about how i find you scummy. dont make up stuff, dude. ive stated my dislike for you and why i dont trust you and why i want you to die and why i find you scummy. this is a fact. so to suggest that ive only been saying non-commital things would be bogus and out ya head.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Omni
I really don't give a ****, stop beating around the bush and talk facts, you keep ignoring things that are clear and are just trying to make the things that bronar hasn't or maybe has done the main point as to why he is scum.

That's bull****. Stop talking to me like I'm five and tell me what you think of bronar this day, I don't want to hear anything about consistency or lack of reads or whatever, look at bronar and his intent.

What intent does bronar have to play the way he has today?

Why does axel/bronar team make sense to you?

 

[Omni]

OMNI BE CONCRETE WHEN GOING IN IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS

Your replies should be a big quote, with highlights and colors.
Then at the end of the post, you sum the points up and refer to highlights and colors.

Then you refute the points one by one, concretely. These multi-quote posts are simply anti-town and are nothing but stalling at this point. I thought you hated anti-town players? Should we lynch you on your own policy?

this literally occurred earlier in the Day. are you suggesting that i have not made an argument towards you at all until this point?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No, your arguments have just been bad. Gimme sec.

 

[Omni]

@Omni
I really don't give a ****, stop beating around the bush and talk facts, you keep ignoring things that are clear and are just trying to make the things that bronar hasn't or maybe has done the main point as to why he is scum.

That's bull****. Stop talking to me like I'm five and tell me what you think of bronar this day, I don't want to hear anything about consistency or lack of reads or whatever, look at bronar and his intent.

What intent does bronar have to play the way he has today?

Why does axel/bronar team make sense to you?

no one is beating around any bush, Soupa.

and for **** sake i have given AMPLES amount of information on my read on Xonar. jesus christ. this part drives me crazy.

Xonar's play, as i said, has been very sporadic and found his push against me to be empty. some of the questions he posed; some of the points he wanted to contradict; empty. and i called him out on each and every one of them, Soupa. the information is literally there when me and Xonar went back and forth for 2-3 pages straight so don't act like i haven't already disclosed what i think

i never said Axel/Bronar team. i specifically said Axel or Bronar. i find them both to be scummy but i don't find them scummy in a pair. i find scum to be in one of them, yes.

 

[Omni]

leaving for work @ 5:30. will be busy in the evening.

lemme know if u guys still wanna go this route so i can claim

but ya im not scum, dudes. u guys are definitely goin down the wrong road here.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

your discussion with Ryker was litreally game mechanic based, dude. and yes, you're poking Kuz just like i'm poking Kuz and how im now poking Soupa.

Points:

- Your discussion with Ryker was game mechanics based
While my discussion might've been mechanics based, there were definitively other things going on. Trust, mistrust, who to lynch, et cetera. It might not have been scum hunting in the traditional sense of the term, but is that necessary when my role can simply point out he's scum?
> It wasn't purely mechanics
> Even then, would it really be scummy?

- I'm poking Kuz and Soupa, just like you
I think nobody in this game would think it's weird if I were to say now that your poking seems to be goal-deprived.
> Not comparable.

ive been tunneling the idea of getting a proper wagon on you, Xonar, because i've wanted to hear a clear stance on what everyone thinks of you. mainly, ive wanted to hear why Axel has been so blindly ok with your actions which i know Zen would not be OK with i.e. the felipe reaction. but there's been no concentration on you despite me wanting to have it.

- You're not making a point here.
> if you want something, get it done, duh.

and i have been talking about how i find you scummy. dont make up stuff, dude. ive stated my dislike for you and why i dont trust you and why i want you to die and why i find you scummy. this is a fact. so to suggest that ive only been saying non-commital things would be bogus and out ya head.

- I've talked about you being scummy
- dislike
- mistrust
- saying you must die

Alright. Since you've been so busy with me being scum, I take it that you're really knowledgeable on the subject. You could obviously give me a quick and complete rundown of XonarScum right now, right? While at it, why don't you give us AxelScum?

> Give me concrete things. Now. Recap if you need to.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

And yes I'm 100% down with this. A claim is fine from my PoV.

 

[Omni]

when aren't they

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Archer's Bane replaces Sworddancer!

Voted |

Voter(s)​

|

Votes to lynch​

Omni |

Axel, felipe, Brosuke, th3kuzinator​

|

4 / 6​

Axel |

Ryker​

|

1 / 6​

th3kuzinator |

Archer's Bane, Omni, Red Ryu​

|

3 / 6​

---​

Not voting: Inferno, Soupamario, Bardull;

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You're still not answering me, Omni, and you're still doing the same damn thing I called you out on, why?

I asked you to comment on intent not feelings. Now be more concrete and go look at the intentions of bronar.

Okay, which one is more likely?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm awake. I'm caught up.

**** Axel. Seriously. Dude can die regardless of an Omni flip.

Talk to me Kuz. Why can't Axel die today?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Hey Ryker.

You joining Kuz's claim?

With kind regards,

Xonar

 

[th3kuzinator]

Ryker get on aim.

I never said Axel couldn't die. Scumni is priority numero uno, though.

 

[Omni]

You're still not answering me, Omni, and you're still doing the same damn thing I called you out on, why?

I asked you to comment on intent not feelings. Now be more concrete and go look at the intentions of bronar.

Okay, which one is more likely?

im not sure what you want me to answer that i didn't answer.

i told you what i see in his intent. ive been watching him the most out of everyone else in this game. and i dont trust him. he definitely does good when it comes to contributing; no doubt. and he definitely does good when he asks certain questions; no doubt. however, i have felt, seen, and called out several questions and points that he has made that don't add up to something i like. ive stated what about Xonar's play smells. that doesn't remove the pro-town moves he has made, no, but people who are asking who i think is scum; not who i think is anti-town.

i think there is scum between xonar and axel.
i think felipe is severely anti-town and i am extremely uncomfortable with his slot.

those are my answers. and they've been my answers since the end of Day 1.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Just saying, Omni. I wouldn't leave my vote sitting on Kuz.

 

[Omni]

kuz, if you've got time to talk to Ryker have the decency to respond to me when i ask you questions after answering your points. just cuz my head is under the noose doesn't mean you're free to ignore my points.

actually, ryker, i do like it here at the moment

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm going to head towards bed. I want nobody to end this day before Kuz and Ryker out their little gambit. Because there's no possible logical explanation to Ryker being in a mason. He has been lying on multiple levels it seems and this does require more investigation. gnight

 

[th3kuzinator]

Omni do you want me lynched toDay?

 

[Inferno3044]

If you guys don't like how much Omni has committed, you can always ask him questions to make him commit. Here's a good example (Omni answer it):

Give a full reads on the entire roster with thorough explanation for each person. Color coding would be nice.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Please don't do that.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

actually, ryker, i do like it here at the moment

You do understand that I'm the only one here that could really manage some pull that thinks you could be worth saving and you're voting someone I know is cleared after I've outed that information to the public? You literally gain NOTHING from lynching him that furthers your cause w.r.t. Axel/Xonar which seems to be your primary objective.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

If you guys don't like how much Omni has committed, you can always ask him questions to make him commit. Here's a good example (Omni answer it):

Give a full reads on the entire roster with thorough explanation for each person. Color coding would be nice.

That's a bad plan most of the time. What do you gain from that in this scenario?

 

[Inferno3044]

He has to show some commitment which people have constantly said he doesn't have. This way we can force him to show some reads and back them up. If you guys think it's a bad idea then okay. Don't answer it Omni.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He's pretty committed to his scum reads, that's not the issue with him. Where is his lack of commitment? Can you locate it for me?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Ryker what do you think about Xonar?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Scum on Axel's town flip. SOOOOOO much not adding up about his play when it became a battle of mechanics.

I dunno about Axel's scum flip. I'd probably have to read the game.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Coo' coo'

1223, Omni.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I'm actually curious as to what Axel thinks of Xonar as well.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Dear SWF,

I'm sorry it was unannounced, but I was baker acted from school on Thursday because I was a threat to myself. I stayed in a psychiatric ward until, well, just now so I'm sorry my V/LA was not stated but... yea... Sorry to any mods of any games I'm in, I'm NOT planning on replacing out of any of my games, and my regular activity will be back unless specified. Thanks mangs

Love,

DAT GORF.

Thisis10char.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Aww MAN I was replaced out?! SHIIIIIIIIIIII~!!!!

 

[Omni]

Omni do you want me lynched toDay?

im just trying to get some answers out of you, broski. i asked you some things. i answered. you asked me some things. i answered. i asked you some more things. i'd like to think it's not difficult for you to swap thoughts back to back with me easily

You do understand that I'm the only one here that could really manage some pull that thinks you could be worth saving and you're voting someone I know is cleared after I've outed that information to the public? You literally gain NOTHING from lynching him that furthers your cause w.r.t. Axel/Xonar which seems to be your primary objective.

yeah, i know this. but im not playing for survivability. i don't have you pegged as scummy, but i don't have you pegged as town, either. i do sense that you're struggle with Axel's gambit is legit and it makes sense now that Axel has reswapped his claim. which is why i thought the wagon on you was ridiculous.

kuz has raised a brow from me and you're not 100% so, yes, i want answers from him. not for my sake but for the sake of creating trails along the road

**** happens. if i get lynched, i get lynched, but drawing as many trails as possible is of upmost priority if we're going to do distinguish who is scum end game. and as of right now i do not have a clear stance of where Kuz stands and why

 

[Omni]

oh and i thought it was ridic too cuz u were an easy flip to nail easy scum the next Day if Gorf flipped town or scum

 

[Omni]

grammar rewrite: gorf's flip would have made it obvious between you and Axel who was scum and who wasnt.

 

[Axel]

I kind of like this bad *** persona style of koozi.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

pro-active? lol. ok let me let you know exactly what ive been up to since D1

- game start
- gain insight on all players
- tell RR to start playing mafia
- realize certain buddying towards me from gorf, WL, bardull, soupa, and inferno. buddying or calling me early townie. u decide.
- J posting and me agreeing with his logic
- Xonar coming and me not liking his play at all.
- severely start disliking Xonar due to his inability to cope with pressure and questions
- begin to start wagon on Xonar. WL wagon takes precedent
- Axel enters and suddenly shows a completely opposite reaction from J
- without questioning each other, Xonar + Axel begin trying to start Omni train
- meanwhile, everyone in their mom is inactive. i want inactive slots lynched as priority.
- answer axel/xonar questions. no rally nor support from the rest cast because i think their questions were reaching. public generally agreed
- RR saying he'd be ok with me but doesnt really commit. i take note of this. apparently WL buddying me early game (kinda like 5 other people as well) is his only suspicion on me
- Felipe finally chimes in with Doc and extremely extremely awful play that makes him look grimey as hell.
- Xonar excuses and pardons him. Axel has NO comment on him. the WL wagon continues. this specifically pisses me off.
- day ends. WL flips


D2
- i want Chaco/Kev slot and Felipe to give a proper read on D1 so that everyone will be on the same page when i make my argument against Xonar and Axel (Xonar being first)
- Xonar and I do a lot of back and forth talking. Axel kinda sits on his thumb for most of it
- Axel asks my opinion on Gorf. i say idk i think he's townish. nothing stands out and his disconnections are large enough that i cant find a teammate.
- then i believe Xonar and Axel begin their wagon on me. parrot and non-contributing Felipe casts his vote as well. everyone else is quiet.
- about 3-4 pages of me vs. Xonar/Axel literally responding to each point. i find Xonar's points to be very sporadic and spread out; nothing that points me to scum. Axel quiets down after a page or so
- massive gambit **** occurs. Axel gambits. says Gorf is scum.
- i vote felipe meaning to vote Gorf but i still want felipe dead cuz he's a dead slot imo. then i vote Gorf
- no CC or response from Gorf. gay. Ryker comes in and says wtf and claims mason.
- im gone for the weekend. massive **** happens. reread. two investo's on Gorf. Gorf is clearly the play. helps determine if ryker or Axel is lying. VERY SUSPICIOUS of everyone who is on Ryker at this point ESPECIALLY Axel
- i ask about half a dozen questions to Axel to grasp his attention. he answers 0. skips them. Xonar kinda answers questions. seems to start "understanding"
- Axel cancels gambit and calls me scumni. Xonar jumps on the train immediately followed by Felipe. and here we are

stances:

dont trust Xonar or Axel the most.

why xonar?
- he asks hundreds of questions and points out contradictions that that are very spread out and/or don't apply to the actual main subject
- he focuses very, very hard on game mechanic meta which completely takes away from actual mafia scumhunting
- he excuses Felipe's D1 play. did not like that at all.
- his questions toward me did not seem like actual pressure. nothing that he said made me feel like he was trying to call me out on being scummy. nothing at all.
- he puts nearly 100% blind faith on Axel who has been looking increasingly scummy ever since Zen entered the picture

why Axel?
- almost all the same reasons as Xonar.
- except i would expect a lot more from Zen. i would expect him to want Felipe to contribute. i would also expect him to ask more questions that relate to actual scumhunting mafia as opposed to jumping into a ******** gambit that outs town power roles
- he plays an indirect game by trying to question my read on Gorf, then implying that Gorf is scum, then retracts it and attempts to use this case as for scumni. wat.

combined that with me finding townie
- soupa
- inferno
- rr
- gorf
- somewhat brodancer. was too inactive

and nulls
- chaco/kev
- felipe

and those were my leftover lynch lists.

now i'll go even further. why the hell wasn't Omni being proactive? why hasn't he been scumhunting?

da ****? ive said from the get go that i refrain from taking full stances until everyone has posted. needless to say, our chaco/kev slot JUST posted today. and inactives galore are streamnig left and right. my Xonar wagon was overriden by a WL wagon whcih was a good wagon. and then before a new Xonar wagon could start i get duo'd by Axel/Xonar right off the bat followed by these past 2 days of ridiculous gambit/claim wars. the attention from Xonar can NOT be looked at with two players claiming investigative roles having two results on one player

there's no scumhunting involved. just game mechanic guessing and process of elimniation based on flips. these gambits and claims and game mechanic meta has left us nothing except trails that can't be followed without someone guessing how the game was made.

and thats where im at in the game. left with a million unanswered questions from Axel. xonar flip-flopping on whether to pressure me or not while blindly following Axel and being okay with Felipe doing absolutely no scumhunting at all. and a list of inactives that destroy any kind of trail that was leftover after these D2 events

Things like this make me distrust the flip flopping I was seeing pointed out somewhat.

Let me read up.