Official Frostbite 2019 Thread

[Aaron1997]

Frihetsanka Nidtendofreak MU unfamiliarity? Reminder that Dabuz has Sinji in his region

 

[Frihetsanka]

Frihetsanka Nidtendofreak MU unfamiliarity? Reminder that Dabuz has Sinji in his region

I looked at some Ultimate tournaments and they never seemed to face each other (though maybe they've grinded friendlies? I don't know about that).

 

[J0eyboi]

Pacman is likely the most game-transition buffed character in smash history (perhaps Bowser could make arguments, but it's still been across 3 games).

I think Pichu deserves that title if we're counting multiple game transitions. For single-game, Mario (Brawl > 4) and Shulk both have arguments. Semantics aside though, he was buffed a lot.

He is a completely different beast to Smash4 thanks to the engine too. Projectiles don't deal reduced shield stun anymore (?I think?)

They still deal reduced shieldstun, but their shieldstun is basically identical to the amount of shieldstun aerials have, and it's overall a lot less noticeable because dropping shield sucks now.

 

[Frihetsanka]

Game 4 ZD vs Advo was a lot of fun, I highly recommend watching it.

 

[Shaya]

I think Pichu deserves that title if we're counting multiple game transitions. For single-game, Mario (Brawl > 4) and Shulk both have arguments. Semantics aside though, he was buffed a lot.



They still deal reduced shieldstun, but their shieldstun is basically identical to the amount of shieldstun aerials have, and it's overall a lot less noticeable because dropping shield sucks now.

Pichu perhaps indeed, I don't really know the numbers.

While Shulk entire kit is impacted by a mechanic change to arts, side-b ledge grabbing is amazing, and the buff to nair/fair (IIRC) are nice, hmmm, it's arguably similarly impactful or even more impactful, just perhaps not as widespread throughout his entire moveset?

 

[Iridium]

Wishes 2-1 Samsora
Kameme 2-0 Ally
Ned 2-1 Marss

Some more notable upsets.

 

[Omastar]

Frostbite looks like Yoshi's coming out party

 

[Frihetsanka]

Some more notable upsets.

Pokémon Trainer getting some nice upsets, eh? Both Wishes and Ned have gotten good results in their region (Wishes is formerly known as Vivid), and Ned used to be PGR. Kameme doing well isn't too surprising, it's Kameme, formerly known as Kamemushi, who got 2nd place at EVO 2016. Notable upsets for sure, but by good players.

 

[Zinith]

Oh jeez, *crosses fingers for my boi*

Edit: wrong thread. Sorry

 

[Zinith]

Oh jeez, *crosses fingers for my boi*

 

[Rizen]

Any placings, or is he destined to fade into obscurity?

 

[Iridium]

Lea 3-1 Blank to make top 48 winners! I guess we can also wait for the upcoming crew battle in about an hour or so.

Any placings, or is he destined to fade into obscurity?

I don't think any solo is left, so Tweek is probably our only hope for him, if he even considers using him.

 

[Nobie]

Wishes 2-1 Samsora
Kameme 2-0 Ally
Ned 2-1 Marss

Some more notable upsets.

I think Mega Man has the edge over Snake, mostly because Snake's explosives game isn't quite equipped to deal with the sheet projectile onslaught Mega Man can bring. Having strong juggling and edgeguarding doesn't help either.

 

[Iridium]

More of Japan falls in losers.

Gen 2-0 Tsu (65th)
Shoyo James 3-0 HIKARU (49th)

DK does not have a fun time against disjoints.

 

[J0eyboi]

Want to say that Goblin (top Roy from CFL) has been doing really well this tournament. He's currently fighting Blacktwins13 for 49th after going last game last hit with MuteAce and then 2-0ing both Rags and Seagull Joe.

Edit: He won 3-2. How the **** was this man ever seeded 204th?

 

[Frihetsanka]

Shoyo James 3-0 HIKARU (49th)

HIKARU also played Pichu (and lost).

 

[Iridium]

SDX 2-1 Salem (Link? Lucina?) for 65th. He also fell to Ryuga in winners.

Marss 3-0 Ally for 49th to add on.

Myran 3-2 Larry Lurr to make top 48 winners.

Pelca 3-2 Elegant to eliminate him at 49th.

On a side note, Goblin made it all the way to losers top 48 from round 1 in phase 2.

 

[J0eyboi]

Akashic 2-0 Darkshad for 65th

 

[Iridium]

Uh, MuteAce 3-1 Zackray to make top 48 winners. This is a huge upset.

 

[ATH_]

Uh, MuteAce 3-1 Zackray to make top 48 winners. This is a huge upset.

Is zackray out??? Or was this winner's side?

 

[Iridium]

Is zackray out??? Or was this winner's side?

It was in winners side. He's in losers top 48 now.

 

[J0eyboi]

Is zackray out??? Or was this winner's side?

It was winners. He's in losers now.

On that note, I don't think there are any Wolves besides like Tweek and Leo (Leo plays Wolf right?) in top 48 winners. Kinda surprising.

 

[bc1910]

Where are you guys getting this info? Are you watching the stream or can anyone link me to the live bracket?

 

[ATH_]

It was winners. He's in losers now.

On that note, I don't think there are any Wolves besides like Tweek and Leo (Leo plays Wolf right?) in top 48 winners. Kinda surprising.

Oh thank god, lol. That's insane, how is it possible so few wolves got in? Maybe they're all too new to the character? That means more Peach/Daisy mains got in to top 48 huh?

Leo does play Wolf for certain matchups.

Where are you guys getting this info? Are you watching the stream or can anyone link me to the live bracket?

https://smash.gg/tournament/frostbite-2019/events/super-smash-bros-ultimate-singles/brackets

 

[J0eyboi]

Where are you guys getting this info? Are you watching the stream or can anyone link me to the live bracket?

This.

Oh thank god, lol. That's insane, how is it possible so few wolves got in? Maybe they're all too new to the character? That means more Peach/Daisy mains got in to top 48 huh?

There are still a lot of Wolves losers side, I think at least 5 of them. It's just odd to me that for such a common character, the only people who got top 48 winner's side with him are probably the top 2 Ultimate players right now.

 

[Iridium]

It was winners. He's in losers now.

On that note, I don't think there are any Wolves besides like Tweek and Leo (Leo plays Wolf right?) in top 48 winners. Kinda surprising.

Leo does have a Wolf, but I've only seen him use Ike so far, at least for singles. Maybe he will pick him later at some point.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Leo has been at least putting in serious Wolf work recently, I think he went strictly Wolf for a couple tournaments recently. Not sure what matchups he has in mind for switching off of Ike but he has actual experience using Wolf at least instead of just pocket secondary mainly used in friendlies.

 

[The_Bookworm]

This is what top 48 looks like:


Winner's
MkLeo vs UtopianRay
Nairo vs Ned
Wishes vs Myran
Tea vs Shuton
Tweek vs Ryuga
Light vs Umeki
VoiD vs Lea
MuteAce vs Cosmos



Loser's
Abadango vs Skilly
Marss vs Gackt
Blank vs Fatality
ZD vs zackray
Lui$ vs Samsora
dyr vs Zinoto
MVD vs NAKAT
LingLing vs Suarez
Geist vs Pelca
Shoyo James vs DM (This Pika player outplaced ESAM lol)
Larry Lurr vs Tachyon
SDX vs Dabuz
Kameme vs false
Goblin vs JeBB
Meme vs Light (Germany)
WaDi vs Captain L

 

[Gearkeeper-8a]

Leo will still use ike because as you can see many top players doesn't really practice matchups unless the character is really popular, so why use a character that many people would try to study or will use when you have a good enough character that less people know the matchup, and you can still use that character when the situation arises, pocket characters only work if they can gatekeep a vast amount of matchups. Wolf is a top tier, but that doesn't mean you can skip matchups, good fundamentals or not.

 

[Zinith]

Wait, so Suarez WASN'T in Losers when he faced Light?

 

[The_Bookworm]

Wait, so Suarez WASN'T in Losers when he faced Light?

Yes. The set was in winner's.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

5 Palu's in Top 48? Umm..yea I dont think she is falling of yet.

 

[ATH_]

Tweek takes 5 stocks during the NA vs Japan crew battle. He still has one stock. Tweek and Wolf are insaaane.

To anyone who doubted tweek's abilities after gen6.

 

[Deathcarter]

Found out on Reddit that Ryuga's has to replay MVD tomorrow despite MVD forfeiting:

https://twitter.com/trueRyuga/status/1099513393898315776

Apparently, the tournament organizers had the two play the set offstream in a random corner with poor lighting and no sound because the were running overtime and MVD couldn't handle those conditions. And now Ryuga's being punished for their stupidity. What kind of incompetent bull**** is this?!?

 

[Frihetsanka]

Found out on Reddit that Ryuga's has to replay MVD tomorrow despite MVD forfeiting:

https://twitter.com/trueRyuga/status/1099513393898315776

Apparently, the tournament organizers had the two play the set offstream in a random corner with poor lighting and no sound because the were running overtime and MVD couldn't handle those conditions. And now Ryuga's being punished for their stupidity. What kind of incompetent bull**** is this?!?

They're not replaying it,

Yall know that we aren't replaying anything tomorrow... right?
People be wilding out here attacking me for literally nothing LOL

— MVD(Free Agent) (@MVD731) February 24, 2019

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Not sure Ryuga knows that's not happening, he seems pretty pissed on twitter.

 

[The_Bookworm]

I just saw the crew battle. Shuton was playing like a demon possessed, taking away 9 freaking stocks.

 

[bc1910]

I just saw the crew battle. Shuton was playing like a demon possessed, taking away 9 freaking stocks.

Lea and Shuton took half of the USA’s stocks between them with Lea finishing off Dabuz, 3-stocking Samsora and nearly clutching it out against ESAM.

MU inexperience was definitely a factor in Sam’s case; I’m more impressed with Lea’s performance against ESAM given ESAM’s good level of experience fighting Greninja and the thunder rats likely being his worst MUs. Lea also died in really unfortunate ways which could have been avoided (offstage thunder, horrible DI on a dash attack and trading with Fsmash with landing Nair when trying to land behind).

Hoping he performs well today. Could be a good indication of Greninja’s status. Unfortunately his first match is against VoiD.

EDIT: Speaking of VoiD, his close set with Komota was pretty fake. VoiD SD’d like 3 times during the set.

 

[Nemesis561]

Olimar is so good in a crew battle setting (and in general of course). You lose a stock vs Olimar, and next thing you know you're at 70% within like 5 seconds and completely demoralized

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Its actullat looking to be an interesting and fairly diverse top 48. Well with princess, godesses and electric rats really in big numbers.

Quite a lot of upsets as well. Notabally Zackray, Dabuz and Samsora and Wadi in losers..and other playera like ESAM, Salem and Ally not making it to top 48.

Who was Salem eliminated by anyway?