Foxy Video Library/Critique

[Darkshadow96]

Hey what do you guys think of my Fox?
Match 1
Match 2
Match 3
and no, I don't main him. Only practiced him for a day then went and did some friendlies with him at a tourney.

 

[Kuares]

Well you know good enough grab mix-ups and linking up aerials to be an good Fox. Only thing I can see you need working on is making better use of Drill.

I'll try again later to see if I see anything, but that Snake shouldn't play of the ledge so much.

 

[Conviction]

Videos that I do have up atm for critque (choose whichever one)

vs. Kadaj
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29G1rsNq8Pk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEkGkqFZZCI

vs. Flea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpsV7B_rbbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-BHqGv0x68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRO4I9TSCzg

 

[Kanzaki]

Critique my fox pl0x

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbN0knAEF6c

Only a friendly, and I'm still a lot more confident in my Mario/Luigi, but I'm trying to be more confident in my Fox x.x

 

[Rizk18]

We should have someone do Fox's hitboxes like in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qExAo_hAXhI

I would do it but I don't have dazzle.

@Kanzaki, Don't approach with D-air, I seen you trying to force D-air to follow up U-tilt which is bad. Camp more and don't be too aggresive for the kill, the Toon Link was doing a good job of staying calm and doing what he normally does without charging for the kill as much as you. It gets predictable and you can get punished for it. Stay away and camp until he gets close then you charge in on him. Everything else I don't have much to say about.

 

[Conviction]

*waits for his critique*

 

[Kuares]

*waits for his critique*

Ah, that's cool. Been kinda busy with work here but here's a quick one. I critqued your one vs. Kadaj's Sheik.
[collapse=???]
0.19 Don't Uptilt at that low % and especially against Sheik
0.21 After 20% you become tilt lockable
0.27 Sheild, in that situation the worst that can happen is you get grabbed
0.36 Upsmash for no reason
0.40 Airdodge instead
0.42 Airdodge instead
0.44 Airdodge instead
0.52 Upsmash for no reason
1.18 Don't illusion onstage if they're right in the middle
1.26 Full hop those lasers
1.41 You are now tilt lockable
1.43 18% from needles by the way
1.45 Random upsmash, with the punish
1.48 Yeah Random Shine
1.58 Go for the shine spike!
2.02 That was neat, you should have done it again.
2.04 Bair thair!
2.06 If you hit too early with Dattack the uptilt won't connect.
2.18 I expected you to shine, but you should've airdodged.
2.37 If the last hits of Dair don't connect, neither will the uptilt. You may've grabbed though.
2.50 You should get hit by other moves to negate the tilt lock
3.03 Platform is a safer place than ground level.[/collapse]

 

[Zhamy]

Videos that I do have up atm for critque (choose whichever one)

vs. Kadaj
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29G1rsNq8Pk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEkGkqFZZCI

vs. Flea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpsV7B_rbbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-BHqGv0x68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRO4I9TSCzg

You suck at Fox. (Actually, you're getting better, but you're not good yet.)

Biggest problem for all of these matches is that you have a lot of trouble exerting pressure on the stage. Your threats are almost entirely reactionary, and while the typical idea of "spam laser run away" works to feel out your opponent, you need to stay in places where you can exert pressure. You're getting good at getting in (especially evident in the matches v Flea where you deal with his projectile pressure well), but you need to think about what your plan is if you don't get in on your first try. How can you position yourself to limit your opponent's options or trap them?

Look through your matches with Kadaj and you'll see what I mean. You're very rarely controlling the pace of the match, and Kadaj is pretty much free to move wherever he wants on the stage. This is part of why I liked short hopping and baiting short hops so much when I played. It keeps your movement fluid and helps you control a zone that the opponent has to respect. The hard part is figuring out how to do that every match, but if you can figure that out, your game will level up hard.

 

[M@v]

I'll hopefully get some videos up once I start hitting tourneys this summer. As of now I'm planning on 4, the first being ktar.

 

[Conviction]

I feel special, I got zhamy critique

 

[Lightning93]

^ I know, I'm jealous. (But not completely as there are some elements of that critique that apply to me as well.)

 

[chaos_Leader]

*waits for his critique*

I watched the matches, and it was a little painful. What I saw in those matches was the quintessential "Fox player who thinks he's hot stuff because he knows a few tech-skill tricks". There are many other tools in the toolbox, and you're not using them. You're limiting your options, and so allowing your opponents to very easily predict you throughout the match. You're allowing yourself to be read like an open book, and then bent over the kitchen table by your opponents because of it.

The only specific things I can tell you is to get faster, and practice more.

Here a few more of my matches from recent sessions.

vs. Marth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waKv-E3mW2s

vs. Wolf:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNSN4pfD3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--UhvqmSMI

vs. Kirby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-GS4OWBk0A

 

[Conviction]

Lol that wasn't helpful.

 

[chaos_Leader]

Well, what do you want me to say?

Diversify your options. Don't be afraid to mix it up. Find ways to deceive your opponents. Do everything in your power to make the match uncomfortable for the other guy.

I'm not going to sugar-coat it. Tech-skill techniques are only tools with which you play the match; by themselves, they do not make a solid game.

 

[Kuares]

Chaos, that wolf was bad. You could've been baiting him more into doing stupid things like he was doing but you kept rushing into him and eating a ton of lasers with maybe a wolf lunge/scissor kick for the kill. There was around 3 times he could've shine gimped you near the ledge.

I'm guessing it was your first time fighting Wolf but you seriously shouldn't get jab combo'd 10 times. With Marth you did better, but in that match you chose many of the wrong punishes. Example, grabbing a free fall Dolphin slash instead of Downsmashing for the kill.

Interesting thing in the kirby match, last stock he started using his shield more, and it was working against you. Why, maybe because you only grabbed like twice the entire match.

In general way to much Fsmash.

 

[XxAlphaxXGhaxCrew]

Where am I.?

 

[Kuares]

That's a good question, got any tournament videos from the last year and a half?

I actually looked for you on Youtube a while ago you had friendlies. And also, how are you supposed to search "Alpha Fox" with random other videos other than to add Brawl at the end(doesn't always get the newest vids)? I sort by upload date and end up getting powerpoints, Brawl:M vids, and stuff I don't even.

 

[XxAlphaxXGhaxCrew]

That's a good question, got any tournament videos from the last year and a half?

I actually looked for you on Youtube a while ago you had friendlies. And also, how are you supposed to search "Alpha Fox" with random other videos other than to add Brawl at the end(doesn't always get the newest vids)? I sort by upload date and end up getting powerpoints, Brawl:M vids, and stuff I don't even.

me and xyro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoaW7qvREpg
me and sigma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eab7_rU0Sug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WIJ-Bt0JkI&feature=related
me and neon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkuwBjCMoNo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TctdFyW_d5A&feature=related
me and batou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBGSDJ9IUEY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KtwvcYYVvo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c08qun10QWw&feature=related


hopefully that helps and sorry for the confusion

 

[Razmakazi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9DbScifpvQ

 

[C.R.Z]

match 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN1jSGjOIQ
match 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjWat3f2QM&NR=1
match 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfTkAeFFyYE&feature=related
match 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC47hv1Zcfo&feature=related

just a friendly but havent uploaded in...2 years lol

if you have the time please feel free to critique. If i did something dumb it was most likely a mistake but mention it anyway just incase its a habit or whatever, thanks

 

[XxAlphaxXGhaxCrew]

match 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN1jSGjOIQ
match 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjWat3f2QM&NR=1
match 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfTkAeFFyYE&feature=related
match 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC47hv1Zcfo&feature=related

just a friendly but havent uploaded in...2 years lol

if you have the time please feel free to critique. If i did something dumb it was most likely a mistake but mention it anyway just incase its a habit or whatever, thanks

Actually Im not one to judge you cuz you are a WAY better fox me...I guess I have never really seen your fox fight anyone besides kj..but if I had to say anything it be that your usmash at 3:33 in the first match was very predictable..watch for falco and try doing it when he doublelasers..even if he hits you, you will still get him..youre awesome cloud ^_^

 

[M@v]

KTAR 5 Me vs Will games 1 and 2

1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wqs9E5ddzU&feature=channel_video_title

2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjgiYgP97BY&feature=channel_video_title

 

[crifer]

KTAR 5 Me vs Will games 1 and 2

1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wqs9E5ddzU&feature=channel_video_title

2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjgiYgP97BY&feature=channel_video_title

your way to use fair is really hurting my eyes. learn to auto cancel it! Actually you need to laser more safely and get a feeling when it is safe and when it´s not. You´re not reacting to his approaches accordingly. you need way more bair. you can autocancel bair against dk which decreases his really bad shield and makes fair like not stoppable with his shield and dair is more likely to shield poke as well... fast fall more you´re jump aways.

 

[Conviction]

match 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kN1jSGjOIQ
match 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjWat3f2QM&NR=1
match 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfTkAeFFyYE&feature=related
match 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC47hv1Zcfo&feature=related

just a friendly but havent uploaded in...2 years lol

if you have the time please feel free to critique. If i did something dumb it was most likely a mistake but mention it anyway just incase its a habit or whatever, thanks

Match 1
:08 - Jump Cancel your shine you won't find yourself in the problem if you do that
:20 - idk how you did that lol
:48 - I would have went for the Usmash but I liked what you did for some reason it looked cool
aiyyo truth be told homie I'm liking your use of Utilt (recently I've been trying to use it more outside of the stapled moments) I'm taking notes from you while I'm critiquing this haha
1:15 - Wut de hell? Lol
You probably know this but I'm just going to state it anyways, you can dash in and punish Falco for SH lasering if you are in reaching distance. Try to punish that make him change up and start reading his other patterns.
1:52 - You already know
3:17 - that is the same mistake as 1:52, stop it lol
3:22 - with all the Falco in EU I'd think you would have the SDI'ing the spike down
3:50 - YESSSSS
So some last thing notes here, I don't really see you walking that much incoporate that into your game homes it will make powershielding easier and projectiles easier too, not to mention it lets you keep stage control so you aren't just giving your opponent the stage to advance on you and walking keep all of your options open unlike dashing. For example at 1:30, You dashed away to start lasering. Walking in this situation would have
1) Kept you more centralized
2) Give Falco less room
In turn those things would have put the pressure on Falco who just also dashed closer to ledge and has run through lasers and has to worry about being hit farther of the stage due to his position
Do more cross-ups, I saw you trying to implement mindgames such as at 1:55 and a cross up at the time would gave you a successful hit/grab or at least you would be more safe.
Dash a little bit less, (I learn this one the hard way from Kadaj and now it completely clicks with me) when you dash you commit yourself to AT LEAST your foxtrot animation and in that animation you can't shield/spotdodge/dodge roll which is leaving you vulnerable, so this kinda goes in hand with walking more because you can shield anytime during walking. You can also use this knowledge against your opponent and punish their dashes, via dash attack, Usmash, Grab attack, viturally any move but the longer the start up of the move the more becomes a guessing game instead you punishing them. (See me here at: :47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlpHADJITgA zoning and baiting around his dash range so when he does I can punish him, at 1:14 I failed at trying to punish his dash but you should see the concept I'm trying to bring across. This also can cover SH and FHs. My personal favorite moves to interrupt dashes and etc. are Dash attack walking grab and SH Nair.

That's it for now homie keep getting better yo I enjoy watching you, also I'm more than sure now you are better that me haha.

 

[Zhamy]

KTAR 5 Me vs Will games 1 and 2

1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wqs9E5ddzU&feature=channel_video_title

2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjgiYgP97BY&feature=channel_video_title

Stop rolling like it's a panic button.

EDIT: Also, Halberd really bad CP against DK. If he gets control of center stage in the beginning of the stage, he can Bair you from almost anywhere. Second part of the stage is better, but you got ***** too hard at the beginning.

 

[Conviction]

I have beaten Youtube once again, I got new videos from a smashfest 2 days ago so these videos are fresh. As usual hit me with the critique.

Iblis vs. Hero / Round 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7U88S2Igx0&feature=channel_video_title Round 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7U88S2Igx0 Round 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M4CpT7M-n4 Round 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmR54NqFYbw Round 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tdfyEbPmaI Round 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25GA6fHMFA0

Iblis vs. BigLou Round 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0_5w6B8heY Round 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny8oGt20Dew

Choose a video to critique though.

 

[Kuro~]

Well, i can tell you from a player perspective that you didnt apply enough pressure on diddy. You let him have all the time in the world to react and setup. Which is a nono. I also feel you focused wayyyyy too much on bananas. It was obvious you naner control wasn't as good as it should/could be so you should of instead insta tossed them up or away and punished his attempts to either A) retrieve them or B) bring out more. You need to be more careful with your recovery in general and choose your openings wisely against diddy so you don't get oodles of dmg. Also i didn't see much lasers at all though i can't say ik fox vs diddy so i'd figure i'd help this way

 

[Conviction]

Yeah I was trying something different for the Diddy MU but it didn't really work out, but thanks for the advice. I need to work on nanas haha

 

[Kuro~]

Seeing as how i've used wario and snake my item control is actually pretty good it makes all the difference in the world against the damn trollpanzee


Iblis can you tell me the replay screen music from G1 against Big Lou? (not sure if the others were different lol)

 

[Conviction]

They are all the same (some one hasn't played Sonic Adventure ever lol) it's from Sonic Adventure,it's the Station Square theme.

 

[Zhamy]

You still have the wrong tag. That's why you lose.

 

[Conviction]

Ahhhh you can do a better critique than that Zhamy T.T

 

[Susi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGuyNv02FwU

Do you guys have any tips for this Finnish Fox player? He is ranked 12th in Finland.

Thank you!

 

[crifer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9l2Wz39Wx0&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-esfq1m-G0&feature=channel_video_title

please critique, although I see my mistakes. First game first stock was really good from me, punishing everything with usmash....but then I ****ed up my DI which could be the reason why I lost the match. spacing was also a problem later and I was like a other person... cadet walked away and used tilts and grabs...
spacing issues.

 

[chaos_Leader]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9l2Wz39Wx0&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-esfq1m-G0&feature=channel_video_title

please critique, although I see my mistakes. First game first stock was really good from me, punishing everything with usmash....but then I ****ed up my DI which could be the reason why I lost the match. spacing was also a problem later and I was like a other person... cadet walked away and used tilts and grabs...
spacing issues.

Spacing, and also precision/speed. I still have yet to see you make good use of Fox's mobility, you can go faster. To this, I can only say "practice some more". Get those Fox-Fingers up to speed, get some Fox practice drills down, and then let's see how fast you can go.

There are some Metaknight specific things that can help your game, and help you undermine Metaknight. Firstly: grab is probably one of your best options here. Pull out that shield more often, more quickly, dodge the grab, and get inside the sword-swings. I saw a little N-air camping from the MK, some options there: 1) if he hit's the ground quickly, shieldgrab and go from there. 2) if he's still in the air, JC U-smash from the shield. If he slinks away after pounding your shield, too far to punish, drop the shield and walk toward him. The instant MK hits the ground, he'll likely D-tilt at you (or possibly something else, doesn't matter too much). The walk allows you to bring up your shield almost instantly, setting you up for another grab. Remember that there are only two strikes in MK's N-air before he's vulnerable, and will offer punish opportunities; the caveat here is that you as a Fox player have to be on top of your game, and have to be ready to slip between the crack's of Metaknight's onslaught.

I did a ton of training lately, particularly against Metaknight. Here are some of my matches:

Vs. Toon Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhVXbePLTLE

Vs. same Toon Link a week later
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pS9UY6tkZQ

Vs. Metaknight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e6cLTq3azI

Vs. another Metaknight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwSm3TaFqC0

Thoughts?

 

[Conviction]

Lol I should put these vids up for critique when they were new but critique on these matches would great. The Snake and Luigi match-up just need refining a little I know what I was doing wrong most of the time in match after watching it, but Olimar match-up I know nothing but punish Oli while he is in pikmin throw or pikmin pluck animation.

Vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4aJNK8oDi4
Vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZlgbLgYI8k&feature=related
Vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrOHvK9xipI&feature=related

Self Critiques:
Vs. Snake - I should have power shined the grenades when I was camping, I was taking too much damage from grenades that could have been prevented. Stop making technical errors, lol Double Jump Airdodge. Maybe I could camp harder too, his approaches were adding a lot of percent to him at the end.

Vs. Olimar - First, PAY ATTENTION TO PIKMIN ORDER. I can probably make better judgements if I pay attention to that. Funny thing I tried out was to bait his grabs, when he whiffs a grab we can punish. We make it to Olimar faster than his pikmin do LOL. Get pikimin off me faster -__-. Stop falling for Dtilt gimmicks.

Vs. Luigi - Don't be stupid LOL

 

[chaos_Leader]

Vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4aJNK8oDi4
Vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZlgbLgYI8k&feature=related
Vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrOHvK9xipI&feature=related

Snake:
On your last stock, when Snake was at kill% and you around 80%, you can afford to play a little more spazy. He was predicting your kill attempts at every turn, you'd fallen into an large-print easy to read pattern that cost you a game you should've won. You got lots of damage on him, but the Snake player didn't care since he could predict when you'd try to kill. He played smart, and won. To beat that you can either play smarter, or trick him into playing stupid, ie, bait laggy punishes from Snake with feints, and punish the lag.

Olimar:
This character/player can be very patient with campy players like you. If he can easily get damage on you without getting close, then he doesn't have to approach. I'd recommend one of two things:

1) perfect your camping game, so you can force Olimar to approach more often. I think this option better fits your natural playstyle, but it will demand you to be far more creative in camping besides spamming the sh-laser all the time. If you must camp, figure out a method that actually works.

2) Develop your aggro-game. Looking over the match, you did the most to Olimar when you were in his face. It may not be your natural playstyle, but Fox can do a lot of damage when he's up close and personal. In particular, Fox's grabs are among his best options when he's up close. You can't always camp and wait for the punish opportunity, sometimes you have to be proactive, and bait your opponent into reacting.

Luigi:
Your camping game served you pretty well here, but your got screwed by other aspects of your game, especially your open-book predictable recovery. Almost every kill/major punishment your opponent got on you was by predicting your recovery, and you're barely doing much of anything to try and get around it. Figure out some techniques that you can use to get back to the edge. It'll be hard, it'll be frustrating, but it'll also be worth it in the end. In the infamous words of the smash dojo website: "You Must Recover!"

 

[Conviction]

Haha, aight thanks. I did win that Snake match though

 

[Robfox]

@Iblis - In the Marth match you got lucky with playing aggresive that usual doesn't work with Marth considerin his spacing ****s us up I would say use MORE lasers nd dont take on a Marth head on if not needed. He clearly lost his momentum after the shine stock.
@Snake match - 1st & foremost U let him get away wit nade pressuring ALOT use his nades against him, it always wrk . Second you did alot of SHSL > attack......we aren't Falco we cant get away with that LOL. Third shieldin nades takes timin in order for them to successfully reflect back, not jus as soon as Snake throws them. Love the hack tho XD
@Oli match - U tried to prevent the pikmin from gettin on U using lasers.....nice try. To get pikmin off, try using uair, utilt, & shine. Lastly NAIR SHUTS OLI DOWN !!! Nair is our best approach against Oli, it goes through ALL pikmin & can open a door to punishment. I wouldn't recommend camping a good Oli rather jus playing VERY aggresive towards himOverall I think ur Fox is a hardcore CQC trooper, good ****

 

[Conviction]

Aight thanks guys in a week or two ill have new matches vs my training partners, biglou and hero, to show you my progress. Ill add in everything I've read.