Rizk18
Smash Lord
Yeah that is what I said, until you started acting the way you did in your chat for no reason when I was trying to show you that I changed. I have changed, just not towards you anymore because you wouldnt accept the apoligy.
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Fox Power Rankings (In Progress)
- Thread starter NAKAT
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NAKAT
Smash Champion
Basically you need to take out really big names in your region and other regions. You also need to have consistent tournament placements.
megaFoX
Smash Apprentice
i just started to go to tourneys and ive been getting like 9th around there :C i think i get predictable sometimes
Rizk18
Smash Lord
Obvious Dair is Dair.
How big names? Like Anther big? Because I dont think thats ever possible for a Fox player.
Roller
Smash Legend
...Anther wont do the cg up to 100+. Fox is no worse to pick vs Anther than most other chars. He is just better than almost everybody else in the area.
And Lain would count...
Even though Judge hasn't been as active lately, it sounds like he might be going to some more tourneys. He'd be considered "a big name". L_Cancel maybe. That's about it for MI names, unless OH or somewhere comes to another one of our tournies/vice versa.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
NAKAT
Smash Champion
Don't start trash talking anyone, and with that mentality YOU won't be able to beat Anther.
Zeton is able to overcome Pikachu and Ice Climbers it's time more Fox players step up.
Rizk18
Smash Lord
Nah, once anther has a grab he'll do the full cg if its tourney. TKD wouldnt stand a chance against anther. $100 on that. But besides that tkd da bess.
M@v
Subarashii!
I saw Will, one of the best DKs, 2 stock atomsk's D3. this matchup is about as bad as fox vs pika, and atomsk is probably the best d3. Nothing's impossible. That match was also one of several reasons I went back to fox; anything is possible in this game.
RPK
Smash Lord
Actually, I think he'd do pretty good against Anther. He does still have a Meta Knight. He also used to be one of the top MK players on the West Coast before he went Fox. So I think he'd still do well against Anther.
Robfox
Smash Lord
Anther isn't unbeatable and no MU is unwinable
Even though pika does have a super advantage over us, we still have a small chance of winning.
Even though pika does have a super advantage over us, we still have a small chance of winning.
Rizk18
Smash Lord
No its not, why are people thinking its easy to beat anther? the best pika main in the world(maybe esam) an the MU is like 70-30. its possible with the cg. and anther is too beast to NOT get the grab. so please dont sit here saying its possible when nobody has proved it.
Hanzhou
Smash Journeyman
SV platform camping and once you eat jolts/attacks to like 65% doesnt the cg stop working?
KillerJawz
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That really isn't a point in Fox's favor. When you're being forced to TAKE damage or you'll take...... more damage REALLY isn't disproving Rizk's thoughts that it's 70-30.
Rizk18
Smash Lord
Since I main Pikachu and Fox, I know how hard the MU is but just because somebody knows the MU, doesnt mean its any less easier not to get grabbed. Especially big pikachu names like Anther and Esam. Plus if you actually play anther like I do(we both live in michigan), you will know that not just the chaingrab hurts fox, its the tactics and gimps pikachu can do. Pikachus jab on Fox on ledges is really annoying and QAC helps pikachu in this matchup as well. If you beat good pikachu mains then thats good for you, im just saying until somebody actually beats the top pikachu mains( anther or esam), dont go around telling people to do it when its extremely hard. I beat bricks pikachu pretty easy and 2 stocked it, thats because he is a garbage pikachu and I knew the MU better. Doesnt make the Fox vs Pikachu MU any less easier against top mains.
Robfox
Smash Lord
^^^^^ I didn't read all that
But jus because Anther is Top Pika does not mean he cant lose to a Fox. M@v pretty much proved that with the Will vs Atomsk comparison.
Dont give up without even trying, Fox does not fall to Pika or anyone for that matter too easily bruh
But jus because Anther is Top Pika does not mean he cant lose to a Fox. M@v pretty much proved that with the Will vs Atomsk comparison.
Dont give up without even trying, Fox does not fall to Pika or anyone for that matter too easily bruh
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
my location is wrong >.>
supposed to be fairbanks alaska
supposed to be fairbanks alaska
Rizk18
Smash Lord
dont respond if you didnt read it all. ill bet ANYTHING that anther will NEVER lose to a fox main. nor will ESAM. im not trying to meat ride anyone. im just stating facts about these top pro players and since they main pika and ARE the top 2 pikachus in the world. its VERY unlikely that they will EVER lose to a fox main. Best fox main< Best pikachu main ALWAYS.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Hey guess what? Anther and ESAM are human, they can't always perform at maximum capability. Saying that it's impossible for a Fox main to beat them, especially if both Anther and ESAM aren't used to such a player of technical capacity, is pretty illogical.
I feel that Fox has a few more developed tools nowadays to deal with Pika. The MU imo can only get better from this point onwards. I don't think Pika can develop any more advantages past the CG in this situation.
I mean maybe he might develop some godlike tech where he cancels his QAC by canceling his double-jump with an upsmash and then leading up with a grab as we come down at low percents.
But I dunno. I saw we should just let things be as they are and try to stray away from extremes in terms of MU ratios.
I feel that Fox has a few more developed tools nowadays to deal with Pika. The MU imo can only get better from this point onwards. I don't think Pika can develop any more advantages past the CG in this situation.
I mean maybe he might develop some godlike tech where he cancels his QAC by canceling his double-jump with an upsmash and then leading up with a grab as we come down at low percents.
But I dunno. I saw we should just let things be as they are and try to stray away from extremes in terms of MU ratios.
Rizk18
Smash Lord
He has dthrow into buffered reverse uair footstool QAC lock,if falco boards say its 65-35 and dehf says 70-30, I really doubt the MU will ever improve. Even with falcos chain and superior lasers and side b, the MU is still horrid according to the falco boards and dehf. So how is the fox vs pikachu MU going to be any better? When a fox beats a top pikachu, I will shut my mouth
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Falco also has inferior mobility and an up-tilt that falls short of Fox's up-tilt in terms of usage. We can also rack damage faster if you're talking about long-range spacing (which we should utilize) and our upsmash is very versatile and requires less damage to kill.
You could argue it either way. But I see no point in saying Fox will never win. He can. No guarantees though.
A big stage I could see helping us would be to pick BF and use our very reputable vertical spacing + auto-canceling abilities to give Pika a run for his money. We both need to be grounded, and us in front of him, for us to get grabbed after all.
You could argue it either way. But I see no point in saying Fox will never win. He can. No guarantees though.
A big stage I could see helping us would be to pick BF and use our very reputable vertical spacing + auto-canceling abilities to give Pika a run for his money. We both need to be grounded, and us in front of him, for us to get grabbed after all.
RPK
Smash Lord
Well I never said TKD was going to use Fox against Anther o.O Again, he used to be one of the top MK mains on the West Coast so...He'd probably go Mk against Anther or Esam. The match up is stupidly hard, and practically forces you to start at 110% basically if the chain grab starts up... Also no one is unbeatable...They are human and thus prone to flaws and mistakes like everyone. Also...Atomsk's D3 lost to a DK...Or whatever the players were. But basically 10-0 match up right there and it's been shown that a DK CAN beat a D3 which is pretty scary....
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMGG6OTP6LE
this, you just have to have the right mindset when you go into a wifi match, and it does actually help you get better.
I knew there was a reason I liked this kid.
except your fox being better than mine.
HEYOOOOOOOO
Nobody said it would be easy to beat anther, were just saying thats its 1. possible, and 2. more possible than people would tend to believe.
as a sidenote, Ive beaten esam and i still think hes better than anther.
the difference is that when you are getting CGd, you cant do anything about it, where as if youre taking damage up to 60, you can 1. shoot lasers back at him. and 2. reflect his jolts back at him, so youre giving him damage while hes giving you enough damage to get out of the CG range.
this.
pikapika is just as good as anther when hes in practice. its just that hes super lucky as a player and whenever he has a chance to outshine anther at something, his luck magically seems to run out. lol
Robfox
Smash Lord
Facts? You're tryin to educate US?.....LOL
This doesn't even deserve a response.
Esam nd Anther are not impossible. Why are you making it seem like it cant ever happen? DDD V DK is also a 70:30 MU, small step CG ***** the monkey but the best DK has beaten the best DDD.
All you are doing is making pointless opinionated theories lol
please bruh stop it.
Rizk18
Smash Lord
pikapkika isnt as good as anther. anther and esam i say are =, pikapika and Z are =
Rizk18
Smash Lord
As the guy stated above, atomsk refuses to use the infinite. Until a fox beats anther or esam, like I said so many times. I will shut my mouth. Since you're so confident, go to michigan or florida and prove me wrong. Good luck!(sike)
Edit: ddd vs dk with normal cg is 60-40, go look at the dk and d3 boards for yourself
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
whoa whoa whoa.
Anther IS NOT as good as esam, its not even close anymore.
take mlg columbus, the only one anther went too. esam got like 6th, anther got 33rd.
dont ****ride anther just because you play with him ill admit hes probably still better than pikax2, but saying that hes still on esams level is the easiest way to make your opinion look outdated, and bad.
Anther IS NOT as good as esam, its not even close anymore.
take mlg columbus, the only one anther went too. esam got like 6th, anther got 33rd.
dont ****ride anther just because you play with him ill admit hes probably still better than pikax2, but saying that hes still on esams level is the easiest way to make your opinion look outdated, and bad.
KillerJawz
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^Less of that please.
Try to keep the discussion friendly in regards to the whole Anther v ESAM debate.
Try to keep the discussion friendly in regards to the whole Anther v ESAM debate.
Conviction
Human Nature
I've beat 2 pikas in my state. Soooo yeah. Idk about the whole ESAM vs. anther debate, but beating pika is something to be noted.
You can't derail some one for overcoming a hard MU. No one is saying it's close to even. More so 60-40. Also have maybe sat down to think maybe you are just playing the MU wrong? Maybe picking the wrong stages?
You can't derail some one for overcoming a hard MU. No one is saying it's close to even. More so 60-40. Also have maybe sat down to think maybe you are just playing the MU wrong? Maybe picking the wrong stages?
Rizk18
Smash Lord
Saying that anther is not as good as ESAM is blasphemy. Just because anther cant travel as much as ESAM doesnt prove a thing. I know ESAM has great placements in MLG. But Anther never gets to play as much as ESAM does. Not even close anymore? are you joking? When Tyrant came to Michigan, Anther and him were going very even and Anther won a few matches in GF. Didnt ESAM lose to Tyrant at MLG as well..? I rest my case.
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
That means nothing, considering that they both LOST to Tyrant. Don't make up reasons why Anther can't play. Fact remains, ESAM is > Anther. Until Anther is able to dedicate more time to playing and getting active, it will remain that way. Please stop.
-EDIT- Not trying to get infracted.
Rizk18
Smash Lord
No please stop Excel. YOU have nothing to do here. You are an ice climbers main or sonic or whatever the hell you are. Stop trolling ad lurking the fox boards when you have no reason to be here arguing. Anther is just as good as ESAM.
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
I used to main Fox, which is why I'm always in here. Despite my not maining Fox, it doesn't prevent me from speaking some common sense in here.
Conviction
Human Nature
Oreo is legit. Rizk I'm being real and nice as I can. You have no place to telling anyone to get out. Especially with your faltering rep with us. So stop with the condescending attitude to anyone who disagrees with you.
Summary of this argument that is not going anywhere: ESAM>Anther due to activity until Anther shows up more like he used to. When Foxes beat Pikas it's something to be noted.
Also you are being stubborn and close minded and is also another reason no one is getting along with you. Your ego and close-mindedness is a wall no one wants to get past.
EDIT: I see you lurking Anther! Show yourself!
Summary of this argument that is not going anywhere: ESAM>Anther due to activity until Anther shows up more like he used to. When Foxes beat Pikas it's something to be noted.
Also you are being stubborn and close minded and is also another reason no one is getting along with you. Your ego and close-mindedness is a wall no one wants to get past.
EDIT: I see you lurking Anther! Show yourself!
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
Esam is like 3 and 1 in sets with tyrant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFWSTDIx0Yk&playnext=1&list=PL9ED4A69F5CCD7DDE&index=14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AN8DNOcnjU
anther apparently has never beaten tyrant,
sooooo... you bringing up that point actually bolsters my argument.