Lightning93
Smash Champion
I can't say much on the Fox boards atm lol. Just letting people know I'm still here, although from what I am hearing this match seems to leaning towards an even numbered matchup.
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Fox Match-Up General Discussion
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JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
seems that way. but thats not such a bad thing is it? although i've seen more arguing for 60:40 Fox than evens by just a bit more.
so how about stages? who likes/hates where?
so how about stages? who likes/hates where?
Kinzer
Mammy
Go ahead and take Sonic wherever, he doesn't have any stages that will screw him over like Snake on RC.
Except maybe Jungle Japes, but IMO I always ban the stage anyway...
Except maybe Jungle Japes, but IMO I always ban the stage anyway...
gantrain05
Smash Master
japes isn't a good stage for fox either, i wouldn't recommend going there, super high ceiling so no Usmash kills, and fox's fast falling nature make that water suicide, personally i like delfino for fox, and as a CP i like to go to luigi's mansion. i dunno why, i just seem to get alot of benefit from the stage.
I think that the matchup is even between the two. Neither character has much of an advantage over the other.
With stages I usually just choose battlefield or smashville against a sonic. Sometimes I choose lylat cruise or the new yoshi's island.(I'm not sure why, I just kind of like those two stages.)
With stages I usually just choose battlefield or smashville against a sonic. Sometimes I choose lylat cruise or the new yoshi's island.(I'm not sure why, I just kind of like those two stages.)
gantrain05
Smash Master
ooh, i also love going to corneria with fox, super low cieling and the side blast zones are so close it makes his KO game so much better, an Uair or Usmash on the top of corneria will kill at like 40% lol.
oh yeah, that is a good stage to play on.
Kinzer
Mammy
Just remember Sonic's killing problems are solved when you take him to Corneria as well.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Yeah and Fox's susceptibility to knockback isn't going to help you out when on Corneria either, it's really a win or lose situation. Or really it could bring out the real numbers of this matchup.
A6M Zero
Smash Ace
...What the ****?
Battlefield is Sonics best stage. Lylat Cruise is Foxes worst stage. Smashville is advantage Sonic. The New Yoshi's Island is a pain for Fox to play against Sonic on, even if Sonic doesn't like it much either.
Corneria is all advantage Fox, Final Destination is neutral.
inb4finaldestinationissonicsbeststage, it's not.
How is Corneria an all Fox advantage? Did you even read what Kinzer and Lightning93 said about that stage? And how is Battlefield Sonic's best stage?
GwJ
Smash Hero
Sonic can cut you up once you get above the platforms with SHFF or SH Uairs.
Ok I understand that, but what about Corneria being all advantage Fox?
Kinzer
Mammy
It isn't. People are more fanboyish than we are.
They're forgetting that Sonic can kill just as early as Fox can by landing D/FSmash, and now our U-Throw becomes a viable kill move.
Sonic will reap the same benefits on any stage Fox will, and perhaps more.
Sonic has no bad stages except JJ which doesn't help Fox either.
Edit: Way to use my 4,000th post.
More spam!
They're forgetting that Sonic can kill just as early as Fox can by landing D/FSmash, and now our U-Throw becomes a viable kill move.
Sonic will reap the same benefits on any stage Fox will, and perhaps more.
Sonic has no bad stages except JJ which doesn't help Fox either.
Edit: Way to use my 4,000th post.
More spam!
GwJ
Smash Hero
Sonic has more of an advantage than Fox does on Corneria. From what I know, Fox's advantages on Corneria are USmash, Uair, occasionally Fair and Bair. Sonic's outweight that. Sonic's Usmash will even kill on Corneria, Sonic's Utilt is a reliable kill move, Sonic Pawnch kills much earlier than usual and, Sonic's Pawnch being stronger than Fox's Fsmash, It'll kill earlier. On top of that, Bair and Fsmash off the fin will kill much earlier as Fox's recovery isn't as good as Sonic's. If it happens to Sonic, he can spinshot into spring, but Fox only has DJ into Firefox or illusion. And, I've seen people use this, Sonic can do something that makes him do a sliding Utilt on top of the fin for really early kills. AND Sonic has that spin dash glitch where he has invincibility frames and goes horizontally past the fin. I may have missed some Fox things, but I doubt I missed too many.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
yeah im agreeing that Sonic doesn't lose, but gains on corneria.
A6M Zero
Smash Ace
Corneria is more advantageous to Fox because the moves that would benefit Sonic on Corneria are the same moves that he wouldn't try on any other stage, because they're the easiest to stop and punish.
gantrain05
Smash Master
exactly, sonic can EASILY kill with Dsmash/Usmash/Fsmash/Fair/Uair/Bair, at very low percents, and Dair sets up perfectly for an Usmash/Dsmash, it gives benefits too sonic as well, but he won't be killing nearly as early, and sonics kill moves are harder to land than fox's are.
A6M Zero
Smash Ace
Sonic can easily be killed* with....
gantrain05
Smash Master
i meant fox's kill moves lol, im tired o.O yeah i don't see sonic killing with Fair lol.
KheldarVII
Smash Ace
Pick Yoshi's Island (Melee) or Halberd. I'm a fan of picking Pokemon Stadium (Melee) regardless of who I'm fighting.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Lol that's why I said it was a win or lose situation... it is dependent on either the matchup numbers or the skill of the players themselves....
Also, I forget, is it possible to FLAMEDASH on Corneria?
Also, I forget, is it possible to FLAMEDASH on Corneria?
Lightning93
Smash Champion
No I didn't, which would probably explain the reason why I don't know. I haven't been able to master FLAMEDASH on any stage besides Yoshis Island (melee).
May I get a link please?
May I get a link please?
A6M Zero
Smash Ace
Lightning,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EywoFXvCv28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EywoFXvCv28
NeverKnowsBest
Monochrome Like A Panda
I swear Flamedashing has basically broken the game in every way.
Back on topic, Sonic is 60:40 Fox because Sonic is a fast little bugger with some stupid options, but Fox just does "better" in the machup in terms of ability to punish, combo, and kill.
However, stage choice is also pretty **** important, and you want to stay away from Battlefield and FD for sure. Smashville/Yoshi's Island aren't bad choices, but they're not good ones either. Lylat has never been friendly for Fox (although the slanted edges do weird things to Sonic too), and Corneria is a "choose carefully" stage - depending on the playstyle of the Sonic, you may or may not want to take him there.
However, stage choice is also pretty **** important, and you want to stay away from Battlefield and FD for sure. Smashville/Yoshi's Island aren't bad choices, but they're not good ones either. Lylat has never been friendly for Fox (although the slanted edges do weird things to Sonic too), and Corneria is a "choose carefully" stage - depending on the playstyle of the Sonic, you may or may not want to take him there.
darkspatan117
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So 60:40 Fox favors seem pretty accurate but I think Corneria good for Fox because of the low celling
Conviction
Human Nature
One question do we have a safe stage?
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
is RC any good?
this ones a solid 5:5, just go anywhere and youll do fine
this ones a solid 5:5, just go anywhere and youll do fine
Kinzer
Mammy
...I give up on ranting, do whatever you people think is right, but all I'm telling you is that it's a dead even matchup... Just don't go complaining to me when you just happen to be at a tournament and you get that false sense of security....
At least Sonic has more freedom for stages than Fox does... Lylat Cruise anybody?
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
yeah Sonic does have more stage freedom than Fox does.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
its like peach and Fox all over again, just less Sonics poking in.
M@v
Subarashii!
Played a lot of sonics at my tourney last sunday...and thats exactly what it was.
Punish, Punish, Punish.
Here are the tourney matches of my fox vs sonic matches in the tourney bracket.
M@v(Fox) vs Phoenix Dark(Sonic) Round 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T00bloQXYms
M@v(Fox) vs Phoenix Dark(Sonic) Round 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOBqGhUUQdc
M@v(Fox) vs Phoenix Dark(Sonic) Round 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SakWyjBZ-WU
Final Smash '08 Winner's Final Round 1: M@v(Fox) vs Ithrowthings(Sonic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScAY88x05n8
Final Smash '08 Winner's Final Round 2: M@v(Fox) vs Ithrowthings(Sonic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StRn6rSgEIw
the last 3 that used to be up had broken links. will fix later.
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Punish, Punish, Punish.
Here are the tourney matches of my fox vs sonic matches in the tourney bracket.
M@v(Fox) vs Phoenix Dark(Sonic) Round 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T00bloQXYms
M@v(Fox) vs Phoenix Dark(Sonic) Round 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOBqGhUUQdc
M@v(Fox) vs Phoenix Dark(Sonic) Round 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SakWyjBZ-WU
Final Smash '08 Winner's Final Round 1: M@v(Fox) vs Ithrowthings(Sonic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScAY88x05n8
Final Smash '08 Winner's Final Round 2: M@v(Fox) vs Ithrowthings(Sonic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StRn6rSgEIw
the last 3 that used to be up had broken links. will fix later.
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