Fox - Guide and Discussion Thread

[Sangoku]

Sorry if I misunderstood you, but the mulitiples "who cares if..." made me think you were saying something like you were right and other opinions were wrong. Sorry again if that wasn't the case .

But if you don't like techskill, we can exchange: I get yours and you get mine =D. I would never complain if that would happen.

 

[ballin4life]

Hey, I've been practicing for millions of hours in my room ... I can't just give all that up

 

[Sangoku]

Oh well I guess I will have to train mine myself. How do you train by the way? Do you always get to play human players or you just play CPUs and training mode?

 

[ballin4life]

I play CPUs. Sometimes do training mode.

I play humans when I can though obviously.

 

[The Star King]

Getting your tech skill from humans is better than CPUs, IMO, mostly because you're less likely to get bored. I like to practice tech skill stuff I'm working on between stocks; and yes, it works (I wouldn't recommend this if it's a new tech, though; practice it in training mode until you feel you get the gist of it and you only need the muscle memory). However, if you're a console player like Ballin and you can't play other people much, then you'll probably be forced to practice vs CPUs.

 

[ballin4life]

Two things y'all fox players should try:

1) shine jab out of shield

2) for tech chase dash past where they are hitting, turn around, and jump. If they roll the direction you came from you laser, if they stay in place you dair, if they roll the other way you bair.

 

[Sangoku]

Is the reaction time enough for this? (especially for the laser)

 

[th3kuzinator]

And if they miss the tech?

 

[SheerMadness]

I tech chase by running one way but turning around and low lasering the other way. That way you've got both options covered.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I'm starting to just not tech on purpose to get around that.

 

[SheerMadness]

Escape is not an option.

 

[Sangoku]

My fox is way better when I try not to combo. Like sheer said, laser to grab is really efficient. However I sometimes miss the low laser and get owned by randomly dashing grab falcons. Also what can you do against pika? Would do just frame perfectly laser every time?

 

[The Star King]

My Fox is way worse when I try not to combo. Sometimes I try to techchase like Sheer but I always mess up the timing. I'm pretty bad at techchasing in general.

 

[Sangoku]

If I try to combo, I always end up missing something (failing a z-cancel, not attacking quickly enough after landing an aerial, getting grabbed out of shield, etc), either because of lag/delay, or simply because my techskill sucks lol. Also in general (not only with fox), I feel the more I grab, the better I am, which is sad.

 

[SheerMadness]

Aggro upsmashy Falcons are harder for me than Pikachus now.

Not sure how to explain how I play vs Pikachu though. I guess I kinda control where they go with lasers and spacing. It probably helps that I actually try to combo now too.

 

[RickySSB]

Fox's Nair + Uiar (First Hit) + Fast Fall Fair + Utilt.
Fox's Nair o Fair + Dtilt + USmash + Fair + Nair.
Fox's Uair (First Hit) + Fast fall Nair + Dtilt.
Fox's (Medium Damage) First Jump Uair + Second Jump Bair + Nair + Laser + USmash.
Fox's Shine Cancel + Dtilt + Short Hop Running Fair + Utilt and any aerials.
Fox's Nair + Short Hop Running Uair + Bair + Dair + Any Smash (on Jiggs).

I Love that combos.

 

[ballin4life]

If I try to combo, I always end up missing something (failing a z-cancel, not attacking quickly enough after landing an aerial, getting grabbed out of shield, etc), either because of lag/delay, or simply because my techskill sucks lol. Also in general (not only with fox), I feel the more I grab, the better I am, which is sad.

What combos are you trying to do?

 

[Sangoku]

Simple stuff like dtilt -> fair/dair -> uptilts -> dair -> jabs. Any combination of those moves basically. Just in prevention, the problem isn't the dairs as almost nobody I play against has good enough DI to make it obsolete. Or when I try to pressure a shield with jab/dtilt I often get shield grabbed, while if I grab first there's no problem.

 

[The Star King]

I almost never use Fox's dair to combo TBH. There's usually an alternative (and better) option.

But if nobody has good enough DI to make it obsolete, then I guess it's a personal problem. More time in training mode?

 

[Surri-Sama]

I just always assume anything with a drill wont combo right vs better players.

 

[ballin4life]

used properly dair is pretty good for combos actually (on CONSOLE). I don't use it enough.

but yeah fair fair fair fair usmash standard

 

[Sangoku]

If I was getting some more vids of my fox, would anyone give tips? I know ballin would cause he's a nice guy, but I'm almost sure nobody else would. And I need to find someone who agrees on playing a recorded match. I was thinking about matches against people who **** me (so you could see my mistakes) and people I easily beat (so you could see my combos and tell me they suck).

 

[The Star King]

Hey man, I don't not give advice because I don't want to. I just feel like I'm bad at giving advice. ballin's not the only nice guy

Spoiler

But I guess me getting defensive when I wasn't even specifically called out says something.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I am terrible at giving specific fox advice for some reason.

Also SK, you're pretty good at giving advice. Remember back in the day you played me when I was a TOTAL scrub and I was like

"SK, do you mash to z-cancel"

"*****, no"

"Well then how do I get better at the timing?"

"*****, practice it"

and here I am today.

 

[SheerMadness]

I'm sure there will be plenty of people willing to give your Fox advice. Record some vids and show them to us brochacho.

I usually hit z twice for z-canceling.

 

[The Star King]

I am terrible at giving specific fox advice for some reason.

Also SK, you're pretty good at giving advice. Remember back in the day you played me when I was a TOTAL scrub and I was like

"SK, do you mash to z-cancel"

"*****, no"

"Well then how do I get better at the timing?"

"*****, practice it"

and here I am today.

Lol

Ok, I'm bad at giving general advice for improvement. If you had asked me how to be good back then, I would have been like, "Uh... practice?"

But maybe it's a SKILL I can IMPROVE. So I'll TRY to give you advice, Sangoku. Don't hate me if it's mediocre advice, though.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I hit z twice for zcanceling Link's dair. Everything else I try to get a clean one hit.

 

[DMoogle]

If I was getting some more vids of my fox, would anyone give tips? I know ballin would cause he's a nice guy, but I'm almost sure nobody else would. And I need to find someone who agrees on playing a recorded match. I was thinking about matches against people who **** me (so you could see my mistakes) and people I easily beat (so you could see my combos and tell me they suck).

Ask and ye shall receive. I *usually* don't give advice in videos (actually, I don't want video matches except for a few players') unless they ask for it.

 

[Sangoku]

I didn't say people didn't want to give advice . But it's a fact that last time I posted matches (even if I did things well: a set of 3 matches, same matchup, getting ***** by the best Euro) only ballin gave me tips.

If now I have all the super pros like Star King, A$ and SheerMadness saying I might get advices, I would be more than glad to record stuff. I shall wait till I don't lag (noobs using my netz ), then I'll try to find a recording partner.

 

[th3kuzinator]

what im not superpro enough to give you advice

 

[DMoogle]

Just shoot me a PM or name me specifically in a post to make sure I don't overlook it.

 

[The Star King]

I hit z twice for zcanceling Link's dair. Everything else I try to get a clean one hit.

That's actually probably better because I seem to miss z-cancels on Link's dair more than any other move.

Or maybe I just notice it more, because the lag is painful. **** grinds into my very soul.

 

[th3kuzinator]

That's actually probably better because I seem to miss z-cancels on Link's dair more than any other move.

Or maybe I just notice it more, because the lag is painful. **** grinds into my very soul.

Yeah I hit it once at the point where the sword first touches him/the shield so if I miss I zcancel it fine and then I hit it again a little bit later on reflex just in case I sword bounce or the shield stun prolongs the timing window.

And yeah that ending lag if you miss is just so infuriatingly punishable.

 

[Sangoku]

kuzinator: you didn't say you would, but of course you're super pro enough =D. The problem is I won't find a recording partner... Everyone has excuses for not letting me record. Maybe I should be dishonest and record without asking >=(.

 

[The Star King]

Lol. Smash 64 community so self-conscious.

Maybe record and leave your opponent anonymous? More people might agree to that.

 

[Sangoku]

Yeah maybe . But it's sad how ego-centered this game seems to be (for euros at least). People who are afraid of not doing too well just don't want to get recorded.

Also, very few players would play me anyway...

 

[asianaussie]

Maybe y'all should chill a bit.

Like a certain backwards countrinent down south.

We are the only countrinent, thank you very much.

I miss cancelling Fox D-Air and Pika F-Air all the time, the latter sometimes on purpose. I hate frame skip.

 

[ballin4life]

drills are the hardest to z cancel

 

[The Star King]

After Link's dair.

 

[Surri-Sama]

I actually have the most trouble with Links Uair for some reason... but thats off topic eh!