Fox - Guide and Discussion Thread

[Sangoku]

It is very situational. You don't want to learn it beause it's useful, but rather because it's sexy.

Go to training mode against pikachu (as I know it works against him), shine and jab. It seems dumb but you didn't say anything about your level. Can you shine perfectly? If yes, just work on the timing of the jab (listening to the sound it makes might help). If not, learn how to perfectly shine first (slide from left c to b, with the joystick down).

 

[The Star King]

I would start with trying it on Samus or Luigi. I find them the easiest.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

jump shine then jab right after

 

[B Link]

I do a slide motion from left c button to B to do lasers and shines. Do people use c down?

 

[Sangoku]

I think everyone use left c to slide from c to b. And down c for sliding from c to a. It would be weird to do otherwise.

 

[B Link]

I was thinking that using c down would keep you more consistent because you'd be forced to do a "press" for each button rather than a slide motion.

 

[X ta C]

It is very situational. You don't want to learn it beause it's useful, but rather because it's sexy.

Go to training mode against pikachu (as I know it works against him), shine and jab. It seems dumb but you didn't say anything about your level. Can you shine perfectly? If yes, just work on the timing of the jab (listening to the sound it makes might help). If not, learn how to perfectly shine first (slide from left c to b, with the joystick down).

ok lol, and i can shine 3/4's the time ill try trmw, im new to the whole online play completely different game... and i thought i was good with fox when i play at college against other people... please lol

 

[felipe_9595]

There are beter options but is a good shield pressure weapon. Just Do a shine cancel and then... jab lololol Seriously, is not that hrd, just do a shine cancel (let go down, if not, you will lag a little bit with the crouch animation) and then jab.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VG6...7SPeXJc6KVKmbsWVdW_GPZdXt63zxfg&feature=inbox

You can hear my controller in the back, try to imitate the sound XDDDD

 

[SSBPete]

often when i try to shine jab my shine comes and goes so quickly it doesnt even produce a hitbox. its hella annoying

 

[Sangoku]

^ this is only true on slopes when you're not tilting perfectly down.

Yes Hyrule's right side is a slope (as Star King pointed out).

 

[SSBPete]

was not aware of that, thanks!

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

^ this is only true on slopes when you're not tilting perfectly down.

Yes Hyrule's right side is a slope (as Star King pointed out).

I've seen it on Hyrule's main platform.

Maybe an emulator's bug, who knows.

 

[TANK64]

Yea it DEFINITELY happens to me on Dreamland's main platform (console obv) soooooo....

Funny, cause I'm always thinking, "What happened to frame one?"

 

[Sangoku]

Funny cause I've never gotten what you said by TASing.

I might look at it in more details maybe.

Basically a shine is like this:
-input jump
-wait 3 frames
-down b

If you wait 2 frames, nothing comes out (empty jump), if you wait 4, it's not perfect. So maybe you guys have halves of frames?

EDIT: TASing this **** right now. On Hyrule:
middle ground, perfect shines to the left and to the right.
right ground, perfect shine to the right and no-shine to the left.
lowest central platform, perfect shines to the left and to the right.

On Dreamland now:
main ground, perfect shines to the left and to the right.
top platform, perfect shines to the left and to the right.

I could go on, but I don't think it is meaningful. Don't know what you guys are talking about.

 

[The Star King]

YES I KNEW I WAS RIGHT

A long time ago I was convinced that you can't do an invisible shine on an immobile flat surface, and there were like 10 people against me.

I'm always right, I swear to god. Did ciaza ever find that double rest video BTW?

thanks so much Sangoku

 

[ciaza]

Progress is coming along nicely. Been through about 55% of all SSB64 videos so far =p

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

@The Star King
10 people against you(1) back then, and 3 against 2 now, that makes it 13 against 3, seems like you're still not right statistically speaking.
JK

Spoiler

Quick edit DUCKS strike

 

[SSBPete]

i wasnt against him. i was just wondering why my shine didnt make a hitbox sometimes

 

[Sangoku]

Exactly, that's what it was all about in the beginning. Then people tried to say I was wrong.
Didn't expect this shine thing to be so obscure for some people. I guess I should have said it in the simple things you may not know thread.

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

That makes you defer on him saying it can't be done, which is about what those 10 people were saying back then. >_>

 

[The Star King]

Progress is coming along nicely. Been through about 55% of all SSB64 videos so far =p

Cool. Keep me updated on your "progress".

Spoiler

I can't stop laughing.

That makes you defer on him saying it can't be done, which is about what those 10 people were saying back then. >_>

Huh?

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

Huh?

It's just saying that this:

i wasnt against him. i was just wondering why my shine didnt make a hitbox sometimes

defers on what you said (that that can't be done) in that conversation long time ago with those 10 other people.
But it's not even that important, since I said it as a joke in first place.

 

[B Link]

Anyone have a list of chars you can shine jab?

 

[Sangoku]

That would depend on where your opponent is and where he DIes. For example, I think if you hit with first hit of uair, you could shine jab more chars (I'm not sure though).

But I could see which one work for grounded shine jab.

EDIT: TASed it, here's the result.

Characters who can get shine jabbed normally:
Luigi, Mario, Samus, Pika, Yoshi, Ness.

Jiggly and Kirby can get shine jabbed if you're "inside" them. Walk towards them until the two chars are juxtaposed, then you can shine jab. If you stop walking and let the game "split" you, then the jab will miss.

Characters who can't get shine jabbed (touch the ground before the jab):
DK, Link, CF, Fox

DK and CF are one frame off, which means the training mode combo meter doesn't reset. They touch the ground anyway.

If someone wants to and if I feel like doing it later, I could see each character's frame window, since I've only tested with frame perfect precision.

And again, I think if I hit with first of uair, I could get a shine jab on DK, link, etc.

 

[TANK64]

That would depend on where your opponent is and where he DIes. For example, I think if you hit with first hit of uair, you could shine jab more chars (I'm not sure though).

Yes.

And again, I think if I hit with first of uair, I could get a shine jab on DK, link, etc.

Yes- and Falcon!

 

[Sangoku]

^etc meant "and Falcon and Fox". ^^

 

[ballin4life]

you can shine jab all characters. easiest is samus IMO.

 

[The Star King]

Lol you used juxtaposed there on purpose didn't you

 

[Sangoku]

Hmm? Sorry if the word wasn't right, my english isn't very good. And my vocab repertory isn't really broad.

And ballin, did you read what I said?

 

[ballin4life]

And ballin, did you read what I said?

yes. your post was about when grounded shine jab is possible. I was just pointing out that you can shine jab every character assuming they are at the correct height etc

 

[Sangoku]

Oh okay then. Yeah it really depends on the game's conditions.

 

[ciaza]

Yeah, most of the time you'll be shine jabbing after another jab. At higher percents the jab will send them higher giving you more time to hit the shine>jab before they hit the ground.

Good to know what characters you can do it grounded though - thanks Goku-san.

 

[Pachinkosam]

fox is so weird. just weird mmmmmmmm.=P

 

[King Omega]

Okay, shine cancels are the only move of Fox's that I like.

I can shine cancel fine (jump-canceled shine, that is). But does anyone have a good macro for rapid shine cancels? I know some people who use them for fun, but none of the rapid-fire up/down/b combinations I try work.

All three on one button doesn't work, and using two buttons for down + jump/b or jump + down/b doesn't either.

 

[SSBPete]

fox can up-b parry in the japanese version

 

[Han Solo]

Does anyone have a video of someone breaking a shield using Fox that's non-TAS? Preferably something in tourney or friendlies.

 

[Battlecow]

I've never seen it done, although Tank has apparently done it in unrecorded matches.

 

[Sangoku]

Ballin did it once too. He has a vid of almost breaking one I think. I once did it on a CPU and almost did it on my brother (none were recorded). Maddy does it regularly, but I don't know if he's legit anymore. I think that's about it (adding what battlecow already said).

 

[Battlecow]

I learned how to Z-cancel fox's dair today

A WHOLE NEEEW WOOOOOOOORLD

lol my fox is so bad

 

[RickySSB]

I learned how to Z-cancel fox's dair today

A WHOLE NEEEW WOOOOOOOORLD

lol my fox is so bad

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