Fox - Guide and Discussion Thread

[ballin4life]

There's no such thread

DI is highly dependent on the situation... you just have to think about which way will net you the best results. Smart DI comes with experience. often different people like to DI things different ways, like falcon's fair is really important to DI but people do it like 6 different ways that all work sometimes. samus's up-B you DI hard up or hard down if you don't get it right off. Those are sort of the big ones that there's a specific way to do. if you get sh uair'd by a falcon or uair chained so you're near a plat, you wanna DI down to catch the plat and tech. stuff like that.

you forgot drills

 

[Battlecow]

I mean DI out of them right

pretty self-explanatory

in front/behind depends on a lot of stuff

 

[firo]

Double short-hop lasers don't need to be button-slided. I don't find it too difficult just to tap c-left and then just spam b.

On the other hand, does anyone have some advice for doing shine jabs? I can't even get close to doing it. Is it easier to start from a crouch?

 

[The Star King]

Where is your problem? If you can fast shine you should be able to do it. Just hear the timing in your head and down-B -> a with the same timing.

 

[rpotts]

Try slowing down between the shine and the jab, the hit lag on shine threw me off too, then all of a sudden I just sorta got it.

 

[Yobolight]

All this speedy button sliding allows me to see why there seems to be connection between Fox and Ness players and to a lesser extent Yoshi players.

 

[Han Solo]

I hate Ness and Yoshi.

 

[rjgbadger]

I hate Ness and Yoshi.

yeah i despise using the DJC chars

fox/pika/puff/weegee

This video has a move guide and is good in general: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhXxBoWtb_k

that helped sooo much. i needed the actual control stick visuals for it to click

 

[prisonchild]

Technical question about Fox - I use 64 controller

For short hop double laser should I use the stick or the buttons? If I use the buttons do I slide my fingers?

On shine jump-canceling. I typically do a button slide, is this optimal?

were you trying to short hop with the stick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHXKISnsMXg

about 15 seconds in alvin does it to nak

edit: might as well ask another question.

is there a thread explaining how to di moves? i dont seem to always know which direction to di out of different combos/moves

di as far away from pika as you can. that's my advice. but yeah like bcow said, it depends. sometimes it's good to mix it up too, di away one time and di down the next (on the same move)



also, i find it a lot harder to di against kirby than most (nvm, all) other characters. his utilt is too fast and his drill is not like any other drill

 

[Yobolight]

Is it possible to do SHDL at any angle of jump?

 

[rpotts]

AFAIK there are only two angles, standing jump and running/walking jump. It's possible out of either, but is very manageable out of standing jump while being substantially more difficult out of running jump.

 

[rjgbadger]

i started playing online this week, and realised a few things about how i am playing fox.

is it bad that i dash pivot as my main method of stage movement?
is drill-JC shine a real combo? furthermore what are all the good options out of drill?
my teleports are much worse on emulator, is there a reason for this?
when is the appropriate time to nair? i mostly use it to edgeguard to cover the ledge, or tent combo throw nair usmash
also i seem to have started doing many aerial-shines on puff. like hit them with fair/bair, then follow with dash JC shine. is this good? it seems to *** up floatier chars, puff, weegee and samus mostly

 

[asianaussie]

dash pivot is fine as movement

z-cancelled d-air drill leads into lots of things, and since shine is like 1 frame startup it should combo

who knows

ff double jump n-air ends a few combos, this includes run-off ledge ff jump n-air, it's also stronger than fox's other two horizontal hits so if you want a more definitive hit mid-percent you can use that - also has some utility in tent combos to end in u-smash

shine is good vs puff and sets up a strong edgeguard opportunity (puff recovering low is really bad) - when puff has expended both of her first two midair jumps a shine from stage level completely prevents her from recovering

 

[Han Solo]

Shine is good on all characters.

 

[rjgbadger]

online today i got a 0-death combo on jiggs that i thought was only because he was a poor specimen

sh dair jab1 jab2 downtilt JCshine jab JCshine fall off ledge fair

is there nothing jigs could have done or was that a legit combo?

aand im pretty sure ive gotten landing first hit uair usmash, as well as first hit uair into untilt

can you get landing first hit uair shine?

 

[Battlecow]

that doesn't sound like a doable 0-death to me

dtilt->shine on jiggs?

 

[rjgbadger]

she was at like 10 percent when i did it, i figure she coulda maybe even naired if she mashed

 

[The Star King]

if she was that low than the double jab dtilt probably did not legit combo

 

[Han Solo]

How do you DI Pikachu's uptilt?

 

[ciaza]

low percents i go down and away and try to get a tech roll. higher percents up and away

 

[rjgbadger]

is there a list of percents i can chainthrow characters on the tent? i really like chainthrows on the tent

 

[prisonchild]

lately i've been finishing some of my combos with fair>dash>usmash. are there any benefits to doing nair over fair in this situation or vice versa?

 

[ballin4life]

nair is more damage and hits farther

 

[prisonchild]

Thanks, so nair would be better against heavies but fair better against lighter characters? Generally speaking, of course.

 

[The Star King]

Like usual it depends on the situation

I think nair has a slightly higher trajectory too but I could be wrong

 

[Han Solo]

Has anyone done angled-shine OoS before? It's ridiculously good against a recovering DK (or at least, it seems to me).

If you don't know what I mean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rB3Su0_dPDc#t=1533s

 

[AtotheZ]

haven't tried it against dk, but it works pretty well on link, and is relatively safe against him so you don't have to deal with getting embarrassed by his up b

 

[The Star King]

haven't tried it against dk, but it works pretty well on link, and is relatively safe against him so you don't have to deal with getting embarrassed by his up b

If Link is spacing his recovery correctly? Doubt it.

Same goes for DK but that shielding on the ledge actually looks like a pretty good bait if your opponent doesn't know about it. Can be good for the first few times I guess.

 

[AtotheZ]

Here's JaimeHR doing it on Isai at 2012's apex for reference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxdRdchJuQs&t=6m50s

 

[The Star King]

OK you got me with dat video evidence, good job

I still think that if he up-b'd a little lower and didn't go forward Jaime wouldn't have been able to shine him. But like I said the shield is good bait, since it isn't a common tactic, and you want to clip with your up-b. I probably would have fallen for it.

 

[SheerMadness]

Has anyone done angled-shine OoS before? It's ridiculously good against a recovering DK (or at least, it seems to me).

Yah I've done that vs DK for a long time.

I also crouch cancel shine Luigi's up b.

 

[Han Solo]

That video of Jaime and Isai is where I got this idea for the low-angled shine OoS against DK. Also, against Link, it seems to me that if a recovering Link hits a Fox's shield with the powerful up-b attack, then there's too much hit stun for the Fox to do a shine OoS. In the video, if Isai had done the up-b at the top of his second jump instead of dropping just a little bit, I don't think he would have died.

 

[rjgbadger]

ive done that kind of shine spike before too, i call the technique an 'advancing shine' because you move forward a bit oos

its easiest on luigi(CC) and dk oos, ive gotten it on link once(exactly like that vid) and i agree i dont hink you can shine oos with the strong upB although i need to try more extensively

 

[Han Solo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvAevowzSTg

 

[Tom Bombadil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvAevowzSTg

That was dirty. I've been trying to find a vid of you doing that for awhile now, I remember watching one earlier in my life.



You should have taunted...

 

[ballin4life]

just did drill -> shine -> usmash on pika. didn't think that would work.

 

[jimmyjoe]

just did drill -> shine -> usmash on pika. didn't think that would work.

It broke it? Was it a running SH, or did it involve a platform or anything?

 

[The Star King]

Broke what? He never said on shield.

 

[jimmyjoe]

That's why I asked. Assumed it was a shield cause it didn't seem that significant otherwise but I guess it is considering pika wasn't popped up by a jab or anything before the shine.

 

[Han Solo]

jimmyjoe was still dazed and confused after seeing my video.