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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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unknown522
Some guy
I disagree. Maybe once in a while but it is a huge commitment to dash attach and so many things can go wrong and potentially cost you a stock, for possibly little reward.
Silent Wolf
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People who are good at dash dancing expect the long range puanish before anything usually. Ie peach/marth dash attacks and the like cuz its the first thing people go for when they see dash dancing at that stage in skill. Someones a step or 2 behind lol
Bstuk
Smash Cadet
Can anyone explain how exactly shine -> bair/nair works? It doesn't seem possible, because of the angle the shine sends them. Does it have to do with the way they di?
here is an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH9I9uRxH-o&t=6m17s
here is an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH9I9uRxH-o&t=6m17s
Bones0
Smash Legend
It's based on spacing. If you hit them with the top of your shine, they get sent down at a 45 right into your rising aerial. It also helps that people are typically DIing inward in those scenarios. You can practice vs. level 9s since they DI in super hard. Just make sure you're shining as soon as their feet are within range of the top of your shine.
Bstuk
Smash Cadet
Alright thanks, I was getting it against level 9s, but I still cant do it against level 1s. Guess my spacing for the shine is a little off?
Lovage
Smash Hero
level 9's have insane CPU DI
level 1's have no DI/terrible DI
neither replicate real human DI, but shine bairs are a really specific technique anyways
level 1's have no DI/terrible DI
neither replicate real human DI, but shine bairs are a really specific technique anyways
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
Gotta have it tho.
No basic ***** fox **** around here
No basic ***** fox **** around here
Meneks
Smash Lord
How do I double moonwalk with fox?
I can do double/trip moonwalks with falcon all day but fox eh
I can do double/trip moonwalks with falcon all day but fox eh
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
It's just a faster motion.
So I've been practicing dash shine -> SHFFL Nair -> waveshine -> usmash/grab on characters with high traction.
More Foxes should do that imo.
More Foxes should do that imo.
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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It's a little early for April Fools bro
Lovage
Smash Hero
LMAO glad people are starting to get it
crush
Smash Master
anime girl avatar+numbers at end of name = trol
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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Nothing wrong with anime girl for an avatar
@apasher
Not exactly an efficient way to get a grab
@apasher
Not exactly an efficient way to get a grab
Lovage
Smash Hero
nah, i don't actually think hes trollinganime girl avatar+numbers at end of name = trol
first of all, i'm not sure who you mean by high traction. i'm gonna assume you're talking about marth but i can't tell
theres many problems w/ that combo
dash shine -> nair does combo, but unless they're at 40+, the nair wont combo into anything else.
if you can get the running shine at exactly 35-45, and land the nair perfect, you can totally land an usmash before he lands. if you ask me i'd consider this more of a "blackbeat combo" rather than a real combo, but hey w/e works for u
why don't more foxes use that? wtf are u babbling about idiot lol
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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I feel slightly bad for being mean now
Lovage
Smash Hero
I meant vs Falcon, Peach, etc. I got confused on what's high traction and what's low traction.
I was talking about at low percent. I was aware that it wouldn't work at higher percents.
Seems legit.anime girl avatar+numbers at end of name = trol
unknown522
Some guy
Read TWebb's post
Edit: Pk Webb
Edit: Pk Webb
Winston
Smash Master
No, you used it right, Falcon/Peach have high traction and Marth has low traction
So the main problem with your combo is that nair -> waveshine doesn't combo in general. When you hit them with nair and they don't CC it, it pops them off the ground slightly. If you shine someone in the air and then it hits them onto the ground without knocking them over, they land with no stun. (Obviously, shine doesn't knock Falcon/Peach/etc. over.) If you wavedash towards them and try to combo something they can hit you first.
If they do hold down on the nair and it's low percent then they can probably get out of stun before you can shine, since I assume this is an early nair out of shine.
There are some situations where this can work, and of course it can work if they aren't ready for it, but its certainly not something to be used as a staple.
I mean, it depends on what situation dash shine would actually hit. Obviously, it's not something to be abused.Read TWebb's post
Edit: Pk Webb
Lovage
Smash Hero
so what was the point of your post?
were you asking for help? or just bragging you do something that lazy foxes don't do
edit: i'm not trying to say this isn't a thread for discussion, i just prefer when the discussion has clear QUESTIONS and ANSWERS
were you asking for help? or just bragging you do something that lazy foxes don't do
edit: i'm not trying to say this isn't a thread for discussion, i just prefer when the discussion has clear QUESTIONS and ANSWERS
Perhaps I should've asked if that combo works in the first place.
unknown522
Some guy
I see.
But then you ended your post with something like "More foxes should do it imo"
Edit: it may work once in a while. But it's not worth the risk for me. I wouldn't want to do something that's unreliable.
Yeah, I already regret ending my post with that.
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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If it's any consolation I like your avatar
unknown522
Some guy
Lol.
Btw Wenbo I watched your team matches from RoM with David. You and vist are a really good team.
I don't really watch team vids often unless there's a huge upset or someone asking for critique.
Or if it involves myself. Lol
Edit: or some epic combo
Btw Wenbo I watched your team matches from RoM with David. You and vist are a really good team.
I don't really watch team vids often unless there's a huge upset or someone asking for critique.
Or if it involves myself. Lol
Edit: or some epic combo
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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Aww shucks 
We're gonna be taking some heads at Hyperphoenix
We're gonna be taking some heads at Hyperphoenix
crush
Smash Master
Bones0
Smash Legend
Instead of trying to link shine into nair and nair into shine, why not just drillshine like normal. It's the same damage with greater consistency (only way out is SDI as opposed to your opponent doing anything and ruining a shine-nair-shine link lol).
Also, the main reason no one uses stuff like that is because run cancelling into shine is for noobs, but no one utilizes JCing into shines.
Also, the main reason no one uses stuff like that is because run cancelling into shine is for noobs, but no one utilizes JCing into shines.
G
genkaku
Guest
bones0, was that just awkwardly placed deadpan humor or am I missing some understanding about running vs jc shines?
Silent Wolf
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theres this new fox **** i been ****in with where u just grab yo **** and fox *****
ThePrime
Smash Lord
fox in the box
its like cat in the hat
you tryna catch him he'll shine you off yo back !
its like cat in the hat
you tryna catch him he'll shine you off yo back !
Lovage
Smash Hero
Bones0
Smash Legend
If you can't JC into shines, you're limited to shining outside of your dash range which is pretty big. When you can shine at a moment's notice out of an active DD, you can use it a lot more often, and it is A LOT less telegraphed. Just fish for running shines next time you play, and then notice how often you could dash in and shine if you weren't limited by being in the dash animation. I think it's a big reason spacies have begun utilizing SH into shine-WLs. They want to approach with a 1-frame JCable move with set KB that leads to consistent punishes, but they can't because they are dashing.