Silent Wolf
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jump out of it faster. by faster, i mean do it before you press backwards.
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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Silent Wolf
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up smash, and up aerial
OM3N
Smash Cadet
what is RSHDL?
TwilightKing
Smash Cadet
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Reverse Short Hop Double LAser...I'm sure the melee terms thread should have that in there...
Shai Hulud
Smash Lord
There is exactly one frame to do press B in a multishine. If you are too early, Fox just sits there, and if you are too late, he jumps before shining.
And I think you hit B two frames after, not four, but don't quote me on that part. I tested this on my friend's AR at one point but I don't have it myself. Because Fox is in the air on frame 4, right? But if you press a button on frame 3 it takes effect on frame 4. So you have
frame 1 - jump
frame 2 ---
frame 3 --- shine
frame 4 --- shine comes out
I should be getting AR soon so I will try to confirm this when that happens.
Silent Wolf
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Once again thx for everyone helping out with questions.
wexs883198215
Smash Cadet
Um.....I am having a lot of trouble avoiding Captain Falcon. It seems like I never have time to get back up before he knees me to oblivion
Any tips?
Any tips?
Press22
Smash Journeyman
Ok, I need serious help. I want all the tips you have on shorthoppin and SHFFLing
also How can I speed up my fox, and fix my roll spams.
I would really appreciate it, Thanks. yadiig?
also How can I speed up my fox, and fix my roll spams.
I would really appreciate it, Thanks. yadiig?
All we can tell you is to practice. There is no secret way to do it you just have to spend time perfecting it.
Are you talking about when he edgeguards you or when you are hit onto the ground?wexs883198215 said:
For edgeguarding..falcon can edgeguard fox pretty easily. I reccomend riding really close to the wall and be ready to tech..otherwise try and sweetspot the ledge quickly before he can run off with an uair..
As for when he hits you down..falcon is really got a tech chasing because of his amazing dashdance. You just have to try and not be predictible with the way you tech.
Be more specific and we can help more >_>.
wexs883198215
Smash Cadet
well...my friend actually isn't that good at the edgeguarding part. Sometimes, once he gets a D-air, its hard to get away. Also, when I'm approaching in the air, I usually miss time the shine or something and get comboed for major damage.
..You really need to work on l-cancling then. Fox ***** falcon pretty easily as long as you are good at avoiding him. Try dashdancing and fox troting more and grabs help a lot. When you approach I suggest either nair or dair into shine then waveshine grab upthrow and depending on the damage and how he DI's uptilt/upsmash/uair/bair. A lot of times if you upthrow at moderatly high % you can bair and then FF back to the ground and hit him with a nair before he lands which will usually take him off the stage.
When you get dair'ed one of 4 things are going to happen depending on your damage. You are either going to be grabbed, Falcon Punched(probably not),nair'ed, or he is going to uair you. I would reccomend DIing away if you thing he is going to knee and if he does go for the knee then DI twoards him and up.
WhiteOblv
Smash Ace
Jus wondering how do u DSHL? and is it really that useful?
Goldkirby
Smash Ace
slide your thumb from y -> b so that it hits b right after you jump, then quickly press b again. No, it is not that useful, it's mostly for showing off. A normal SHL is more efficient, and safer.
wexs883198215
Smash Cadet
Oh great. Thanks!
WhiteOblv
Smash Ace
thnx, i jump with x is it still possible?
Silent Wolf
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yes, It's just harder, because X is further from B than Y is. You could always use Up.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
When a falco dthrows fox, he just stands out of the throw, is there a particular direction fox faces when this happens? becuase i just now thought that maybe falco could dthrow fox, and fox could immediately uthrow falco. thanx.
Fox faces Falco IIRC and since fox has a frame advantage after the dthrow then I guess it would definitly be possible although falcos shine would come out before fox's grab if he decided to shine so it might not work that well. The falco could also buffer a spotdodge.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
ok, but if fox DI's to the side (behind falco), and dsmashes, it might work. i'm just speculating options here, i usually just shine when a falco dthrows me, just thinking of new stuff.
Goldkirby
Smash Ace
We need to sticky one of the "How to waveshine" threads, only make it in all caps, because it seems like every few days someone makes a thread asking how to waveshine.
Silent Wolf
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If they don't pay attention to this topic, theirs not too big of a chance they'll care about one like that 
Theirs enough stickied threads in Fox Specific.
Theirs enough stickied threads in Fox Specific.
Kirakitsune
Smash Apprentice
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I'm not sure if this has been answered, I tried searching the thread and didn't see anything that I liked so...
How do you use SHL or SHDL effectively with fox? It's awesome with falco because of the stun, but I don't know when to use it with fox. I know it's to add safe damage, but when in my game should I add it? When the opponent is approaching? When I'm standing far away?
How do you use SHL or SHDL effectively with fox? It's awesome with falco because of the stun, but I don't know when to use it with fox. I know it's to add safe damage, but when in my game should I add it? When the opponent is approaching? When I'm standing far away?
SCOTU
Smash Hero
you should use it to gain control of the match.
Use them when they are far away and can't out projectile you.
More importantly, move around with it, shl/ rshl back and forth, this makes them come to you, and gives you a bit of unpredictability (if used correctly), you're jumping up and down, you can throw in a shffl/ circle jump when opportunities arise.
The shl's main use is to move around and gain control.
The shdl's main use is to be away from them and to saturation bomb the stage w/ lasers.
Use them when they are far away and can't out projectile you.
More importantly, move around with it, shl/ rshl back and forth, this makes them come to you, and gives you a bit of unpredictability (if used correctly), you're jumping up and down, you can throw in a shffl/ circle jump when opportunities arise.
The shl's main use is to move around and gain control.
The shdl's main use is to be away from them and to saturation bomb the stage w/ lasers.
wexs883198215
Smash Cadet
Is Fox any good for Event match 51? I just finally beat the 50th.
RedYoshi92
Smash Lord
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yes he is.
I know this is going to sound cheap but What I do is spam the Firefox until I get Giga Bowser at around 130% then I usmash or uair him until all of his stock r gone.Then I can take on Mew2 and Ganon pretty easily.
I know this is going to sound cheap but What I do is spam the Firefox until I get Giga Bowser at around 130% then I usmash or uair him until all of his stock r gone.Then I can take on Mew2 and Ganon pretty easily.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
who cares...
SCOTU
Smash Hero
Ha, double post! but they're a day appart. does pivoting have any use in fox's playstyle? I've heard it has uses in chain throwing as well.
Goldkirby
Smash Ace
I think if a falco DI's correctly around 20-30ish percent, you can only regrab if you pivot. So yeah, it has uses, and good thing it is in one of fox's most common match-ups.
Silent Wolf
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That's unnecessary and harder. In other words, not useful -_-
Mcscruff
Smash Ace
Silent Wolf, I need advice against jiggs. How do I get past the wall of pain with the least amount of damage? Also, which way do I DI when jigglypuff tries to utilt-rest me? Is it better to DI forward or back?
Any help would be appreciated.
Any help would be appreciated.
Silent Wolf
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You should just laser the Puff when she's using wall of pain. if they don't stop...they get damage from lasers :D
Also, after the first bair, you can full hop nair and land on them.
Di the rest whichever way she's not resting you towards. try to look at which part of the Puff hits you, and DI the other way, and upwards. You could also try to tech roll on a platform whehn flying, or if they rest you late after the utilt, you might even be able to smash DI down and tech the rest.
Mcscruff
Smash Ace
Thanks for the help.
Goldkirby
Smash Ace
What is the best way to keep the cg going? Do you u-tilt them, then regrab?
ZeroP
Smash Apprentice
so i saw a run or walk to the edge but close before the edge fox or falco turn in the other direction and then they hold the edge...is that working with full speed runnning?
is my english correct?XD
is my english correct?XD
Silent Wolf
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Pivoting doesn't help that much in that case lol. utilt, uair. then lasers i guess. w/e
It won't work with a full run, but you can pivot and do it. not really useful, but w/e.
TwilightKing
Smash Cadet
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Is it weird that I can Drillshine Flatland Infinite a Link during a match but I can't waveshine infinite them?
At first I thought I was the length of my wavedash until I made my angle lower( exactly between Down and Left /right on the analog) but faster and I did it...So I thought I'd do it faster and It still did'nt work (at and Angle Almost parallel to the ground)
Now I'm thinking That its the Dodge delay after the jump. I play Mario and Marth So My Wavedash keeps changing up and every time I go back to fox I always remember there is a very short delay between the jump and the dodge BUT when you wavedash out of a shine there is even more delay because the game has to recognize the jump first...
How can I do it better?
At first I thought I was the length of my wavedash until I made my angle lower( exactly between Down and Left /right on the analog) but faster and I did it...So I thought I'd do it faster and It still did'nt work (at and Angle Almost parallel to the ground)
Now I'm thinking That its the Dodge delay after the jump. I play Mario and Marth So My Wavedash keeps changing up and every time I go back to fox I always remember there is a very short delay between the jump and the dodge BUT when you wavedash out of a shine there is even more delay because the game has to recognize the jump first...
How can I do it better?
Silent Wolf
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Just get used to it. It always seems like there's another way, but all that will help is experience.