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ÖwnÄ

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i also plan to become god of you all
Lol! Wheres your Death note Kira?

I bomb atomically, Socrates' philosophies
and hypotheses can't define how I be droppin these
mockeries, mindgamingly perform armed robbery
Flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me
Battle-scarred shogun, explosion when my dair hits
tremendous, ultra-violet shine blind forensics
I inspect view through the future see millenium
Killa Beez sold fifty gold sixty platinum
Shackling the masses with drastic smash tactics
Graphic displays melt the steel like blacksmiths
Jam, u made my day!! Get in the studio and record that Triumph remix right now! :laugh: Wu-Tang Clan + Smash terminology FTW!! Lol!
 

J03

Smash Master
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shut up VA, euan is much better then people realise. hes not as well known as players like Zeppo but hes just as good imo. in fact hes prolly a lil bit smarter then Z (no offence Z obv) and is only i lil bit slower. imo even if you could beat zeppo it doesnt mean you could beat euan, there two different types of players that are very good at what they do

golfie: most people dont talk crap, its just me and ryan really

owna: if i owned a deathnote the world would be a much better place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

FoulPlay

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This has basically become the most spammed thread of the boards, hasn't it...? -.-
(Well, we have J03, king of spam, but I wasn't meaning spam that goes like this; jrhfghxffgidfhjrufjkcbhkrsrurfhfhnn)
 

VA

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I never said anything against Mr.P? I have no right to seeing as he completly destroyed me in brackets. I totally respect him as a player :S
 

Bullet Bill

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i will make and bring a vodka melon does anyone wanna try it. has anyone had it before?

bill: ryans right most people do sandbag in friendlys but not so much they dont need to beat newbs etc or to much effort to try there best its cos friendlys dont mean **** all.

i do it sumtimes but i just use other chars or just try new combo **** n see what works i neva taken a friendly seriously in my life.

also bacardi n coke ftw
I know what you mean monty friendlies are not serious (thats why they're called friendlies). But tbh, it's not that mentally or physically demanding to play your best in them. the reason I play players a lot better than me is to get some experience but if they just sandbag and not even bother to play well then theres no point. I'm not gonna blame anyone for not playing their best in friendlies but sandbagging is lame.
 

Bullet Bill

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I always try my best not to sandbag in friendlies.When I was an inexperienced player I wanted to play the best players and if they sandbagged me then I was hardly playing them.Its a reason in itself to go to a tournament and if you sandbag them then they arent gaining anything from it.

I think you have to appreciate how much someone wants to gain from playing you even if it doesnt mean **** to you.The only time I sandbag in friendlies is if its a cocky **** Im playing or a Peach.

Sandbagging is different from playing bad or playing for fun.

Happy Bday Jam
Zeppo knows what I mean. now that I'm home I don't really have any smashers to practice against apart from lvl 1 cpu. So when I go to tourneys I need all the practice I can get and It's just annoying if the one chance you get to play against a good (character) player or just a really good player, they can't be bothered to even try.
 

VA

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The quality of your opponent doesn't matter as much as you think in terms of practice. If anyone remembers dread lock kid and his luigi then you'll know that he's not exactly the best smasher on the scene. He is my only source of smash play other than cpus, and that new dude supernintendoid was looking pretty potentialrific and he also has no one to practice against.

Bullet it's not like they aren't trying at all, but if they try their hardest people like you and I just get owned and don't learn anything anyway :S
 

J03

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its not that they cant be bothered too, its that they CANT, its not a concious decision, its like running a marathon playing smash for hours on end. at the beginning your mind is fresh and your body is ready to go. after a while you become a lil docile and just force yourself to keep moving. in smash the only way to get people back to there best is to re-awaken there minds. normally done by wafting the smell of money at them or when they start losing they start to perk up a bit (nobody likes to lose)
 

Mr P

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Zeppo is the goldenboy, i wouldn't expect to take any of the spotlight away from him but it's funny when i go to tournie and people dont even know who i am ? wtf

hmm jo3 as much as i appreciate your comments, zeppo is definately beter than i am. His combos and stuff are really consistant and he's very fast but dont let that take anything away from his mindgames, his reactions and prediction are both better than mine are. Best in the UK imo but then again ive never actually played Charles or Frostbyte in tournie so i cant really say.

My main is peach so im not going to be pulling off any incredible combos, it's just the nature of the character so i can understand why people dont ohh or ahh when they see my peach, it's not nearly as entertaining to watch as zeppo combo someone across the stage with his falcon. With peach you have to mindgame your opponent more because you cant pull off devastating combos unless you get a nice chain grab or a CC d smash which isn't pleasing to the eye anyway. I wouldn't say i was a smarter player than zeppo until i start placing higher than him in tournies

Oh and VA dont get me wrong you are a good player and i see a lot of potential in you, you have a good attitude and im sure you'll start placing well at UK tournies but just because you won a game from Zeppo doesn't mean you are nearly as good as him :laugh::laugh::laugh:

What is true though is that im ****ing amazing in teams :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

VA

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euan, I think your peach was very impressive. I have little to no experience in that match up but out of all the peaches I saw that day yours impressed me most. If you'd seen my match against zeppo, you;d know the game I won was down to Zeppo SD'ing twice on very low percents both times. I never actually took a game off him, and he very nearly 4 stocked me in the first game.

I did ok for my second tourney and I have never played against a good peach in a tournie before and charles is the only C.Falcon I have played against ( I beat him in a game, lol due to 1 SD on 0%).

It's actually harder than you'd think to get meaning across on boards, everything always comes out wrong or is taken the wrong way...sarcasm needs announcing I feel. Let's just get one thing clear, Zeppo hands down ***** me.
 

Bullet Bill

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its not that they cant be bothered too, its that they CANT, its not a concious decision, its like running a marathon playing smash for hours on end. at the beginning your mind is fresh and your body is ready to go. after a while you become a lil docile and just force yourself to keep moving. in smash the only way to get people back to there best is to re-awaken there minds. normally done by wafting the smell of money at them or when they start losing they start to perk up a bit (nobody likes to lose)
you can't compare running a marathon to playing lots of smash. You just can't. It really it isn't that demanding physically or mentally. If a really good player will only give me a proper match if theres money at stake (which theyw will win cos they're good and I'm not) then thats kind of sad because the only way to get a decent match out of them is to pay them. Zeppo and Jam are sound guys as most of you know and they've always given me a good match even when it's not for cash. So I get owned but with every defeat I can learn from it.
 

golfball

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omg j03 best patter ever.
come up tommorow when u dont at work my exam finishes at 11:30.. ill ring will later neway..

oh and guys

Swallowcide- What you should already know
I see so many stupid things about inhaling someone off the edge that it makes me kind of sick. It's about time someone writes something about it.

Alright, to begin, the Swallowcide is an excellent technique used by Kirby players. Basically, the Kirby player inhales the opponent and drops to his death, much like a suicide. Unlike a suicide, though, the good Kirby player won't die. He'll resurface, more annoying than ever because he just took a life away from his opponent in a rather cheap fashion (if anyone calls you cheap, call them a tier-***** [chances are they're above Kirby] and move on). Those are the basics of the move.

Now we'll get to the how-to. First, you're gonna have to get the opponent into the trap. This involves cleverness and good reactions. You gotta get the opponent to move to where you can get them- the inhale's range is not that great, but it can surprise you. Anyway, one of my preferred ways is to ledgehop it. One could also make a running start on-stage, then short-hop an inhale, using your moment to carry you off the edge. There are other ways, but we'll get to that later.

OK, so they're in the trap. Now, here's where your opponent can make your life easier. The gut reaction of many people is to break out. That's exactly what you want them to do. Strike fear into their hearts; watch them try to make the futile escape. If they do break out, that makes their death somewhat less certain, but it depends on the character. Fastfallers are screwed, horizontal recoveries are nixxed, maybe a large vertical recovery can survive. Anyway, the reason they tend to die is because when they break out, they keep falling at their normal rate while you seem to suspend in the same point for a second. Basically, they drop and you don't.

Now, if your opponent is in the know, they can make your life a bit harder. They can stay in and let you two fall. Now everything rides on you. At the bottom of the field, they'll die first. That's right. They die first. Leaving Kirby a chance to fly back to safety, much like Daedalus fleeing Crete. Anyway, you'll have few frames to make your recovery. Here's a list by Omnigamer of how many frames you have on each character.

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Originally Posted by Omnigamer
New frame data in. This is important stuff, so I felt that it needed its own post ^_^

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Suicide-Cancel Frames
The number of frames between when they die and you die; essentially, it's the frame window that you can jump to save your life for the swallowcide. I've split characters into groups to make viewing and understanding this easier. The number next to each character is the exact frame window that you have. All testing was done on FD, and consecutive tests on the same character proved consistent.
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The Easy Guys
The people that you shouldn't have much trouble suicide-cancelling against.
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* Bowser: 7

* Captain Falcon: 6

* Donkey Kong: 6

* Ganon: 6

* Samus: 6


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The Moderately Difficults
The middle-of-the-road guys. Timing might be a bit difficult.
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* Falco: 3

* Fox: 3

* Link: 3

* Marth: 4

* Mewtwo: 4

* Peach: 3

* Roy: 4

* Sheik: 3

* Young Link: 3

* Zelda: 3


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The Very Difficults
You've only got 1/60th of a second to live against these guys. Do you think you have what it takes? But just 1 frame difference is enough for you to win at the last stock.
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* Doctor Mario: 1

* Game & Watch: 1

* Luigi: 1

* Mario: 1

* Pikachu: 1

* Yoshi: 1


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The Impossibles
Don't even bother with these guys unless you're ahead. You die at the same time, and it WILL go into Sudden Death if you're both on the last stock...
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* Ice Climber: 0

* Jigglypuff: 0

* Kirby: 0

* Ness: 0

* Pichu: 0
You have to hit a jump button (X, Y, or up) within those frames to live. Personally, I hit all three in succession to better my chances, then just hold up to maximize my vertical recovery. The rest is easy sailing; just hit the edge, and you've successfully completed the swallowcide! Congratulations! Now get good at it.

Now that you know how, now you gotta learn when. Basically, it's whenever the opprotunity presents itself (it's a free kill!), but it is still risky. Remember that even if you think they're falling into your trap, you may be falling into theirs. So, do it when you are relatively sure you can make it, you could use the free kill, or you're about to die anyway. Your intuition is your best bet here.

Also, concerning when you got to do it, there are certain places that won't work. Fountain of Dreams is one of them unless it's a character with a lot of frames (credit to King Kirby 90). Although Kirby's got a lot for vert, he doesn't have that much vert. Another place to watch out for is Final D. You basically sweetspot the edge, but you'll survive unless you swallowcided a one-framer. I have never been able to pull of the vert needed on a one-framer; it just may be me, but I don't think it is possible to get the one-framer on Final D.

There's what you should know about the swallowcide. If I missed anything, tell me. Comments are welcome, but please refrain from the "shoot under the stage" garbage. It's not a better tactic.

incase you was wondering

laterzzz
 

ac_anon

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you can't compare running a marathon to playing lots of smash. You just can't. It really it isn't that demanding physically or mentally. If a really good player will only give me a proper match if theres money at stake (which theyw will win cos they're good and I'm not) then thats kind of sad because the only way to get a decent match out of them is to pay them. Zeppo and Jam are sound guys as most of you know and they've always given me a good match even when it's not for cash. So I get owned but with every defeat I can learn from it.
i dont mean this as a jab at you and you definitly improved between the 2 tournaments i saw you at but in this case you just wrong

Motivation is a very difficult thing to keep up, its the same for any activity, you try doing the same thing over and over and over and keep the level of motivation and enthusiasm for what your doing, even if you love doing it eventually your mind will begin to wander, its the same for smash. Although every player plays a little differently there are certain strategies etc that are commonly used by all players of a particular skill level (for example all samus players at some level learn to crouch cancel and it becomes part of their game) a player who has been around for a while learns to see these and react unconsciously to them letting their focus dull slightly and thereby their game.

The reason people are able to play better and more consistanly against better players is simply that they bring things to the game which are more difficult to pull off or use strategies which are different. Because the player is pushing them their full attention is needed and as such they pay full attention.

Also how to you know when someone is sandbagging against you or not if they never play you properly
 

golfball

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*************************************************
ATTENTION THIS IS NOT SPAM, THIS IS VALUABLE KIRBY INFO
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The Life and Times of Kirby

Kirby was born some time in the 1800s, to King Dedede of the planet Popstar, and Meta Knight's younger sister, Veta Night. In a freak birthing accident, Meta Knight's younger sister was inhaled by Kirby, killing her instantly. In rage and sorrow, King Dedede picked up by one flabby arm, swung him around 37 times, and threw kirby into space. Kirby, however, proved to be immune to space's deadly air, and instead of dying, went into hibernation, until he came crashing back to Popstar in 1992.
 

golfball

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continued
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The End of Rock

Kirby was arrested twice, once in 1996, and a second time later in 1999, both on allegations of being under the influence of crack-cocaine whilst wearing a top-hat, and eating 3 police officers while refusing to co-operate with police forces, and playing a quote "really loud rock n' roll" song which killed everybody else in a 400 mile radius. Also, to worsen the situation, Kirby had previously released several songs with names such as "Kracko"! After the decline of his presence in both games and guitar worlds, he brought out his own biography, the "Harry Potter" series, which was disowned by his loyal fans. In the year 2000, he suprised everybody and pleased many people with his groundbreaking album, "The Crystal Shards." This refreshing and interesting new take on Kirby's style appeared to be his final outing before a breakdown. After a mysterious disappearance since the 2001 9/11 attacks on the Big Ben clock tower in London, Kirby was later thought to be killed. Fans worldwide expressed remorse in the loss, even to the point of teens cutting themselves. Meanwhile, Meta Knight took his mask off for the first time in years and got drunk.

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lol
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monty06

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im thinking about holding a tourney in january. i was going to o another yeovil tourney myself this time im moving out in 3 weeks so i will have housing availible and i want 2 do it on the 5th jan my 20th bday lol.
 

Jiraiya_Inc

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Mont: Can i come :p wobblw wobble XD
ps. kirby is ****e XD sorry G, he is i remember you playing someone and gettin pissed off at them for doing that swallowcide **** on you what made you change i dunno what made you make a page full of info i dunno we shall never know :/
 

monty06

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yeah anyone is welcome i might do proper full on tourney if there is afair few peope coming
 

Aiko

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well, as i said to charles b4, as long as its reasonably spaced from the last tourney, to collect funds, then its all gravy.
 

Aiko

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i dont mean this as a jab at you and you definitly improved between the 2 tournaments i saw you at but in this case you just wrong

Motivation is a very difficult thing to keep up, its the same for any activity, you try doing the same thing over and over and over and keep the level of motivation and enthusiasm for what your doing, even if you love doing it eventually your mind will begin to wander, its the same for smash. Although every player plays a little differently there are certain strategies etc that are commonly used by all players of a particular skill level (for example all samus players at some level learn to crouch cancel and it becomes part of their game) a player who has been around for a while learns to see these and react unconsciously to them letting their focus dull slightly and thereby their game.

The reason people are able to play better and more consistanly against better players is simply that they bring things to the game which are more difficult to pull off or use strategies which are different. Because the player is pushing them their full attention is needed and as such they pay full attention.

Also how to you know when someone is sandbagging against you or not if they never play you properly
I think you're onto something here. people can play without thinking, because they're playing on instinct. People with more experience will have been through the situation so many times, that they know samus can CC this and that, and it just requires no thought, thus expending very little energy.
 

monty06

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yeah i will do the tourney the 1st weekend in january which is still in school, college and uni holidays. i wil keep the same venue what caleb used before it was good size and close to town for food etc. i will do the thread after the scotland tourney.

charles when do ou wanna do yours. so tough **** you have to wait till march/april or summit :laugh:
 

ac_anon

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I think you're onto something here. people can play without thinking, because they're playing on instinct. People with more experience will have been through the situation so many times, that they know samus can CC this and that, and it just requires no thought, thus expending very little energy.
haha i was going to use your match with me as an example, you didnt have much experience fox vs samus and as such didnt know to avoid getting CC'd therefore once i worked this out i didnt have to worry about spacing as much as i would against an opponent who knew about it.

but had it been a friendly you would have kept playing fox and eventually gotten used to fighting her and done better, since it was a pools match you did the sensible thing and changed to a character who wasnt as easy to CC.

nice avatar btw
 

golfball

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omgz tournys!

Regenesis

Kirby proved that the rumors of his demise were unfounded by releasing his latest album, "Nightmare in Dreamland" in 2002, with new tracks like Vegetable Valley and Butter Building. The new album was wildly popular and reminded people of Kirby's earlier albums, before he got into drugs and 64 bit systems. It seemed as though all Kirby fans praised Kirby's unexpected comeback. Even King Dedede was happy to see his return. However, Meta Knight grew incredibly angery, as he felt he had betrayed himself for showing his face in Kirby's lifetime. He taped his torn mask back together and hid himself from general view, going off to who knows where for a "reflection". Some gossips say that Kirby actually faked his own death as soon as he heard of the terrorist attacks. The reason was to increase sales, which is a rather desperate move if it proves to be true. Kirby denies it, saying that he wasn't in public too much as he was vigorously working on his new music.
[edit] Revenge of Meta Knight

Meta Knight's threat was apparently not empty. One day, an unidentified stranger snuck behind Kirby in Central Park, and slashed him with a sword. The silhouette ran away quickly after, evading police. Kirby himself was in a coma for several months. Gooey, Kirby's best friend, just so happened to be carrying a camera at the moment, and took pictures of the silhouette. Investigating further, he noticed that the silhouette matched Meta Knight's figure perfectly. When questioned by the police, he replied "What? Me? No, I was planning to kill him some other way after an honorable duel, which would involve duct tape, dead clowns, my second grade teacher, and a dozen dancing albino ****** *******! This method is way too blunt and careless for my taste! ... What?"
[edit] Recovery

Despite the only piece of evidence ever pointing to Meta Knight, authorities were weary in prosecuting him, so they let him off the hook. The attack had rendered Kirby in a deep coma that would last several months. During this time, mad scientists from around the world (who happened to be loyal fans of Kirby's works) rallied together and began a secret project to clone Kirby, as they believed the clone would produce music of the same (if not better) quality. Their plan was to pass this clone as the real deal as the original Kirby would be swiftly moved to their headquarters in better treatment. However, prototypes had to be created in order to test the reliability of the final product. When Kirby at long last awoke from his coma, the mad scientists quietly abandoned their project since they got what they wanted one way or another. The clones were eager to meet Kirby, so on one fateful day, they followed him to the racing event known as 'Air Ride'. Kirby was surprised at this story, and refused to believe it until Cook Kawasaki, a chef who was hired to prepare food for the gathering of mad scientists, stepped out of the shadows and admitted the truth.
[edit] The Band

Soon after, Kirby formed a band with three of his clones (Red Kirby, Yellow Kirby, and Green Kirby) and released an album called "The Amazing Mirror". Though it was popular, due to disagreements and fights between the band members, eventually ending when Kirby inhaled Red, Yellow, and Green, the band did not last very long. He went on to release a solo album in 2005 called Canvas Curse. It was embraced by some longtime Kirby fans, but not everyone was happy with it. Still, it was given good reviews for its use of revolutionary guitar technology.
[edit] Kirby Today
Don't make Kirby angry. You really don't want to make him angry.
Don't make Kirby angry. You really don't want to make him angry.

Kirby's currently living in Newark, New Jersey, taking a break from his guitarist gig, to practice painting. His paintings have sold for hundreds of dollars, probably due more to his popularity than any actual artistic talent in the area of painting. Many of his works are portraits of people he has inhaled over the years, including Waddle Dee, the Poppy bros., and Bert Ward. He still writes guitar songs, and recently collaborated with anarchy/punk band "The Squeaks" to write an album entitled "Squeak Squad". Also, a vacuum cleaner company named "Kirby" was recently run over by fans. Judges are looking into this incident of Kirby related violence. In January 2007 Kirby was revealed to be a communist. A spcial edition of his album, "Squeak Squad" was released in the UK entitled "Kirby: Mao's Attack" and when track 3 is played backwards listeners can clearly hear the words "Mao is back, I am his faithful servant, soon the attack will begin. America, England, Japan, Russia: all shall fail under the might that is Communism. All hail Mao, all hail Mao, Mao is our king, Mao is our God, Mao's communist reign will soon be upon us!" Conspiracy theorists believe that Kirby's sudden beliefs have come from the inhalation of "Haribo Maomix", the popular commie-based foodstuff.
[edit] Kirby's Relations

After Kirby had stopped his band, he settled with the new Mrs. Kirby and had thousands of babies. Two of those babies were named Birby and Hector the kirby-monkey. However, his wife and kids are very seldom seen. Some say that they, in fact, do not exist. The name "Mrs. Kirby" is also just as uncreative as the alleged "Ms. Pac-Man". Kirby repeatedly assures the media that they are real, just "camera-shy".

j03s got nowt
 
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