Fire Emblem: The Discussion Thread (keep FE Fates story under spoilertags)

[Robert of Normandy]

Speaking of making matters worse...
http://kotaku.com/why-some-people-are-calling-fire-emblem-fates-homophobi-1715602826

I must be the only one who did not care about the whole "controversy".

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I'm assuming this is about that Kamui/Soleil support chain.

The controversy has certainly exaggerated, but there's a lot wrong with that chain. Mainly the whole "Kamui slips Soleil a magic drug without her consent." Yes, it will probably be changed in the English localization, but that doesn't shield it from criticism.

Or you could just simply NOT buy the game.

I'm assuming this is directed at the petitioners. If I misinterpreted your post, I apologize.

What would that accomplish? If Fates flops, how would we know Nintendo would interpret it as "oh wow, people really don't like the direction we've taken this series" instead of "well, I guess people just aren't interested in strategy game anymore!"

 

[カワシさん]

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I'm assuming this is directed at the petitioners. If I misinterpreted your post, I apologize.

What would that accomplish? If Fates flops, how would we know Nintendo would interpret it as "oh wow, people really don't like the direction we've taken this series" instead of "well, I guess people just aren't interested in strategy game anymore!"

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Yes, directed at petitioners, no worries

You have a point there, but I believe that if you don't like a game, you aren't obliged to buy it. It isn't like Nintendo is threatening to withhold your 3DS if you don't buy Fates. Also, as @ Space Stranger put it, most of these people haven't even played the game.

 

[Deleted member 269706]

You know, I used to really like the Fire Emblem fanbase...What the hell happened?

 

[Atrabilious]

Awakening happened.

Developed a noticeable schism in the fanbase. Game tried something different and brought in a whole load of new people, some good, some bad. Older fans who didn't like the direction Awakening took and the things it did (which is fair, Awakening is a great game IMO but does have it's issues) clashed with newer fans who thought the game was the bee-knees. I trend to see a lot of new vs. old arguments/groups now. Newer fans write off oldschool FE fans as elitists, oldschool fans label newer fans as waifu-loving creepers, and eventually it escalates into stuff like that petition.

You obviously get a lot of middle ground and people who love the series as a whole, but the above does happen in abundance. If you want to see a prime example of it, go trawl the GFAQs fire emblem boards. Place is rife with that sort of stuff.

I personally think the series is going from strength to strength even if they're stumbling in places. Awakening was pretty heavy on the support side and light on tactics/map design, but it worked and was highly enjoyable. Everything I've read about Fates so far since it's release seems to point to both sides of the game getting TLC so I'm pretty excited.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

@ Atrabilious
What you mentioned is much of why I like the series. Each new iteration of the game is very much trying out different features.

FE1 set the ground work. FE2 tried world map exploration. FE3 brought in dismounting along with a continuation in storyline. FE4 brought with it marriage mechanics, skills, and a new take on how maps played out. FE5 took most of the best traits of the previous games and polished it. Throwing in a few mechanic changes as well with fatigue and capture. FE6 I think polishes the FE experience very well. FE7 does not really bring anything new nor does FE8. FE8 rehashes the world map from FE2. FE9 is big merely because it brings in the idea of shape shifters and a 3D experience. FE10 brings out the idea of separate armies that you train individually and forces you to use a multitude of units which I think is really good compared to the free silvers of FE1 lol FE11-12 is nothing new and only remakes, but FE12 does introduce the avatar unit making it more personal for the player base. Finally, FE13 blends several old-school elements (some not seen stateside) and works together several old elements all in one while being a bit different.

FE13 I think did not take a wrong turn. The FE game is simply doing what all the others have done before by adding new mechanics and recycling some old ones. Its greatest step forward was certainly more of an outreach to a larger audience than before. Its step back was something it has never really done before. All other previous FE games almost always had some interesting map directives. Despite FE6 being all seize the maps were done in such a way that it did not matter. You often had plenty of other sidequests you could complete along the way. Good item drops, recruitment, villages, and paths to get to your goal. The objectives in FE13 were pretty bad overall. Usually being fairly wide open maps designed to throw waves of enemies at you with your only intent to slaughter everything around you. It lost much of it strategic merit.

 

[Deleted member 269706]

@ Atrabilious @ E Elyssa Xey Hexen Yeah that's the thing though, I enjoyed the older games in the series, but I also enjoyed Awakening. As a matter of fact, I think Awakening is my favorite game in the series overall. Say what you will about it, I still love the game. However it was after Awakening's release that I got really annoyed by the fanbase. People are so focused on the support system or the possibility of gay/bi relationships or something else ultimately meaningless that they basically forgot what the game is actually about. I hardly see ANY talk on the new gameplay mechanics, changes to old mechanics, classes, weapons, or skills...It's like someone who only appreciates a cake for it's aesthetics rather than the taste, composition, or work going into it.

Don't get me wrong, the games are still amazing (in my opinion) and the developers are doing an awesome job designing it...but the fanbase is freakin' cancerous.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

@ Atrabilious @ E Elyssa Xey Hexen Yeah that's the thing though, I enjoyed the older games in the series, but I also enjoyed Awakening. As a matter of fact, I think Awakening is my favorite game in the series overall. Say what you will about it, I still love the game. However it was after Awakening's release that I got really annoyed by the fanbase. People are so focused on the support system or the possibility of gay/bi relationships or something else ultimately meaningless that they basically forgot what the game is actually about. I hardly see ANY talk on the new gameplay mechanics, changes to old mechanics, classes, weapons, or skills...It's like someone who only appreciates a cake for it's aesthetics rather than the taste, composition, or work going into it.

Don't get me wrong, the games are still amazing (in my opinion) and the developers are doing an awesome job designing it...but the fanbase is freakin' cancerous.

The only talk I've seen of the mechanics of the game have been here and Serenes Forest and even then both have a heavy amount of topics focused on the extra stuff like Supports and Skinship. And the mixed opinions on both. From all the stuff I've seen of Fates I'm generally excited for the game.

 

[Space Stranger]

Let's step back from the FE Civil War for a second to revel in some of the FE 25th anniversary merch being released online. The websites that will be selling them do not ship internationally from what I read.

Azura's Necklace

FE Hundred Song of Heroes

Source: http://serenesforest.net/2015/07/07/25th-anniversary-merchandise-coming-to-online-retailers/

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Limitation of 700 of those.

 

[Space Stranger]

Your best bet is eBay unless there is a website that ships internationally.

i.e. be prepared to pay more than the original price.

 

[Minato]

Sometimes I hope for more Fire Emblem LE goodies to reach the west. But then I remember the awful scalpers of Nintendo products now .__.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I have never really enjoyed a series enough to warrant getting memorabilia or trinkets.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Let's step back from the FE Civil War for a second to revel in some of the FE 25th anniversary merch being released online. The websites that will be selling them do not ship internationally from what I read.

Azura's Necklace

FE Hundred Song of Heroes

Source: http://serenesforest.net/2015/07/07/25th-anniversary-merchandise-coming-to-online-retailers/

WHO CARES ABOUT THAT CRAP, WHERE'S MY GENEALOGY SHIRT DANGIT

 

[Deleted member 269706]

I have never really enjoyed a series enough to warrant getting memorabilia or trinkets.

Same. Unless it was free, the closest thing I have to any of that is a Zelda tank top.
I mean, if a cool Fire Emblem shirt was released, there's a good chance I'd pick it up (given a reasonable price range), but it's not something I'm going to go out of my way to get.

 

[ZeldaZephyr]

The Necklace is very beautiful! The only merch i have lying around my room is some Zelda stuff and T-shirts. I want to get something Fire Emblem related but i'm a bit iffy on import prices.

 

[Atrabilious]

I generally tend to stay away from game related memorabilia and whatnot, I find it generally (but not always) tends to be low to mediocre quality with extortionate price tags, largely because the companies know die hard fans will throw money at it regardless.

Necklace looks nice though, admittedly not my sort of thing but still, nice.

 

[spamwichx]

if i were to get fe merch i'd get this

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but silly me got a xl so i can't buy it ;_; woe is me.

lucina, robin, ike and marth amiibos count as fe merch sort of?

 

[Deleted member 269706]

@ spamwichx I honestly have no idea if they qualify as merch...Speaking of amiibo, is it possible to get the amiibo characters in your game without the amiibo figures though a streetpass battle or something?

 

[Minato]

Only FE merchandise I was tempted to get was that Tharja figure. Lucina had a figma figure but figmas never appealed to me.

 

[Space Stranger]

I'm the exact opposite. I wanted the Lucina figma but wasn't interested in the Tharja statue. IIRC, Chrom is getting a Nendoroid and Cordelia is getting a statue.

@ spamwichx I honestly have no idea if they qualify as merch...Speaking of amiibo, is it possible to get the amiibo characters in your game without the amiibo figures though a streetpass battle or something?

I haven't seen any footage that clarifies this but I doubt it.

 

[ZeldaZephyr]

I missed my chance to get my paws on those FE amiibos. but i can still give it another go before i even think about giving up.

 

[Moydow]

I would have liked the Lucina figma, but was too late to order it. Don't care for Tharja, either in design or character, so her statuette never interested me.
Got the full set of FE amiibo so far, though.
Was tempted by the FE4 figurines, but decided against it in the end.

 

[dezeray112]

Amiibo portraits

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Marth and Ike's amiibo portraits. Robin and Lucina's were ported from Awakening unless those were placeholders.

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Haven't really kept track of this thread for a while. But, now that Roy is confirmed to have his amiibo in the works, I wonder what his portrait design will be like?

 

[Space Stranger]

Anyone else replaying the older games? I'm trying to playthrough the GBA games, starting with Sacred Stones.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I recently finished FE6 for the third time (on Normal, I beat it on Hard my second playthrough)

IDK if it counts but i've also been playing a rebalancing romhack of FE4(it's called the "Shin Patch", if anyone is interested).

Then again i play through the older titles quite regularly so this isn't really special.

 

[Space Stranger]

Lol, looks like I remembered correctly about the Chrom and Cordelia figures:

Won't buy either of them but they look pretty nice.

 

[~Firefly~]

I started another Awakening playthrough to tide me over. Classic hard, no reset, no pair-up, no Robin, no children, and no grinding/DLC. The last few playthroughs I've done have been no-reset runs with similar restrictions, but I wanted to try one where I have to use first-gen characters. I typically restrict myself from using Second Seals as well, but I don't think the first generation can do it on their own with all those other restrictions in place. :x

 

[Space Stranger]

Especially pair up, Awakening was pretty much designed for players to utilize it.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Anyone else replaying the older games? I'm trying to playthrough the GBA games, starting with Sacred Stones.

How old is old? I want to play this game again.

I started another Awakening playthrough to tide me over. Classic hard, no reset, no pair-up, no Robin, no children, and no grinding/DLC. The last few playthroughs I've done have been no-reset runs with similar restrictions, but I wanted to try one where I have to use first-gen characters. I typically restrict myself from using Second Seals as well, but I don't think the first generation can do it on their own with all those other restrictions in place. :x

I should try a no second seal run. I have not done that one yet at all.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

How old is old? I want to play this game again.

ORIGINAL MAP DO NOT STEAL

 

[misterOWAIN33]

I need advice: I just bought the Apotheosis DLC for Awakening (2 slow, I know), any advice for me?

 

[Space Stranger]

I need advice: I just bought the Apotheosis DLC for Awakening (2 slow, I know), any advice for me?

Late reply, but grind your units. Limit Breaker, Galeforce, Rallybots (i.e. characters who only use rallies), and Dancer!Olivia are strongly recommended.

Found some footage of the two DLC classes in FE:Fates

Spoiler: Link two DLC classes

http://boards.4chan.org/wsg/thread/692914#p692919

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

ORIGINAL MAP DO NOT STEAL

I do not understand the joke or seriousness of this at all.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I do not understand the joke or seriousness of this at all.

I'm saying that Gaiden reuses a lot of maps

and they aren't really very good.

That's actually one thing FE1 has over FE2.

 

[Deleted member 269706]

Found some footage of the two DLC classes in FE:Fates

Spoiler: Link two DLC classes

http://boards.4chan.org/wsg/thread/692914#p692919

Great find! I for one will definitely be purchasing the DLC. The alt classes aren't even very much of an incentive, more of just an added bonus. Really hoping that we'll see the Bride and Awakening Dread Fighter classes again.

 

[Space Stranger]

Don't know about Bride but Dread Fighter has already been confirmed.

Sadly, only 2 Dread Scrolls per route and I believe they are obtained once you complete both Nohr and Hoshido but I might be wrong.

 

[Deleted member 269706]

Don't know about Bride but Dread Fighter has already been confirmed.

Sadly, only 2 Dread Scrolls per route and I believe they are obtained once you complete both Nohr and Hoshido but I might be wrong.

From what I understand the "Dread Fighter" in Fates operates different than the one did in Awakening. Instead of using tomes, it uses shurikens so it's not quite the same. Hence the reason I said "Awakening's Dread Fighter" in my last post. I mean, I'm glad it's coming back even if it isn't perfect, but ideally I'd love the Awakening version of the class to make an appearance.

 

[Space Stranger]

Ah, I see. I didn't quite get what you meant. Though, Dread Fighters always had that Mage-Killing Ninja vibe for me in Awakening.

 

[lolazerz]

TBH I don't like a lot of the FE awakening crowd and I don't think that Fates will change anything. Especially with the touching mechanic. Personally I got the GBA games at a young age but didn't have the attention span to stay invested past the tutorial. Fast-Forward years later and Awakening comes out, looks good and 3ds doesn't have many bad games so I got it and the character's relationship with one another really kept me invested for like 2 months then after finding almost all the dialogue trees I decided to actually beat the game and let me tell you I was So invested in that ending that I almost cried. Do I think it's the best in the series, maybe. It was the first FE that I could actually sit through and I don't regret it so now the other games are higher up on my backlog and I'm pretty excited for it

 

[Deleted member 269706]

Yeah, I really like the direction the developers took with Awakening where they actually made each character unique and special instead of just focusing on the lords and making everyone else feel like disposable units. The intentions were great, the execution was great, the reception was horrible. Now Fire Emblem is hardly about the strategy to the common fans, making it a pain in the ass to actually talk about the series with others. Serene's Forrest is dominated with favorite/least favorite character polls and who would make the best waifu/husbando and all this other bull****. Like damn, I love talking about the characters and shipping can be fun ONCE IN A WHILE, but there's so much more to it than that. What's worse is how many of the SF forum users have FeIF, so I feel like if I go there something will get spoiled for me one way or another.