Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[Beat!]

@Ran
Yes, but you said "just don't read them". What if you have a question for him, and he happens to follow your advice?

@Rajam
I don't think RR is the play toDay. I'd rather lynch Nich.

 

[X1-12]

GLG IS A BAD LYNCH CHOICE


for emphasis

 

[Xivii]

@ beastick:

That was in response to this:

"also, stop asking questions just because, most of them don't help at all."


i will keep asking questions. Why would i want people to ignore them?

If he did ignore a question that would need answering, i would ask him again. You have to be persistent when someone ignores your questions.

. . .

 

[Xivii]

GLG IS A BAD LYNCH CHOICE


for emphasis

Why ?

 

[X1-12]

Take your pick:

A.) Intuition

B.) Because I said so

C.) Because I'm always right

 

[X1-12]

@Adum: Town reads should be kept to oneself because it gives scum less info to decide on who to kill. Scum reads should always be in the open, town reads should not. I dunno if someone's already told you this but w/e, I saw it in my re-read and need to point it out

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I must have missed your 521 initially in the reread fiasco. Anyway, I read it, and although it raises some good points, those aren't exactly why I think Zen is scum.

You missed it? Even though I specifically asked you to read it in 756, a post which you responded to in 772 (and therefore read)? Whatever, semantics. What do you mean by "good points"? Be specific.

(I'll bring a case around on D2. If the lynch swings around on me, I suppose I'll bring it later toDay, but I'd rather start focusing on Zen D2.)

The lynch is on you. More important, however, is your statement which translates to this: "I'll do work to implicate someone else, if it gets me out of a lynch."

You can see how you look focused on self-preservation right now, I hope.

Anyway, the way I see it, GLG is either:

1) Zen's scumbuddy

Demonstrate why you see this possibility, or point to a post that says the same.

 

[X1-12]

Oh yeah btw Nabe I will lynch Zen with you toMorrow.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

We'll see what happens. I'll be waiting on his D2 thing. Way more into Nich currently.

Did you ever finish that reread?

 

[X1-12]

not finished it, no

 

[Rajam]

Too lazy to make a case like the ones I did before; I'll post what I find scummy on Nich as I find stuff:

- Nich defended Gord a lot early on this Day; he said it was just Gord being Gord (or something like that, he said the picture response was Pro-Gord). Charged against Zen and X1 for tunneling on Gord as well. He later said Gord was scummy anyways for his "leave me live until D3"...

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12010129&postcount=221

This defense feels scummy. I don't know what is exactly, as I don't handle much psichology terms or the likes, so it's hard to explain other than a feeling. I guess defending with sentences opening with phrases like "I love how... etc" isn't much of a town reaction

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12046361&postcount=485

His case on Raziek. It's kinda iffy but I don't really get scum vibes from it, although neither town vibes. Just a null. His case was mostly based on Raziek's inactivity and "going with the flow" stance. I think how the future interaction Nich-Raziek could help a little more to see if this scum vs town or town vs whatever (Don't think it's a scum vs scum bus)

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12061941&postcount=590

Nich's responses to Raziek's defense

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12064583&postcount=605

Agreed. Although I wouldn't go as far as saying he lacks town motivation (maybe I don't truly understand what it means, Zen can you explain what did you mean by saying Nich lacks town motivation?), I agree with the other points. Still, not sure if that is enough to deserve a lynch

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12068109&postcount=669

Nich defense on Zen. Only thing I find kind of odd is this statement:

Because frankly, I need to reread, and I lack the motivation to do it. That's a constant problem for me regardless of alignment, and one of the reasons I usually tunnel so much (pushing the same points is a lot easier than going back to find new ones.)

Not the right answer if you're town

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Finishing this in a few minutes

 

[Cdubs1987]

At Rajam's #811... Wat?

This defense feels scummy. I don't know what is exactly, as I don't handle much psichology terms or the likes, so it's hard to explain other than a feeling. I guess defending with sentences opening with phrases like "I love how... etc" isn't much of a town reaction

You say the defense is scummy, without being able to explain it. OK, I'm not always the best with words either.

His case on Raziek. It's kinda iffy but I don't really get scum vibes from it, although neither town vibes. Just a null. His case was mostly based on Raziek's inactivity and "going with the flow" stance. I think how the future interaction Nich-Raziek could help a little more to see if this scum vs town or town vs whatever (Don't think it's a scum vs scum bus)

You say the case on Raz is iffy, I disagree, I think it is fairly well founded. He votes while "not condoning" a lynch. Raz also tried to say that glyph and Nabe were as guilty as he is by the same line of logic, since they also hopped on the wagon. The problem is, he was attempting to completely ignore the fact that the reason he looked bad and they didn't is because of his go with the flow statement. I'll agree that the inactivity bashing is a weak argument, and also I'll agree that neither is necessarily a good D1 play.

You then throw this in there

Nich's responses to Raziek's defense

without saying anything about it. What good does that do? As for the remainder of this post,

Nich defense on Zen. Only thing I find kind of odd is this statement:

Because frankly, I need to reread, and I lack the motivation to do it. That's a constant problem for me regardless of alignment, and one of the reasons I usually tunnel so much (pushing the same points is a lot easier than going back to find new ones.)

Not the right answer if you're town

I don't think saying "I'm busy" is ever a not right town answer. I don't think this post was too helpful, in fact, if you used this as a substantiation to vote nich, I would say that looks quite scummy.


As for luxor commenting on me taking a popular stance on an unpopular individual. I Feel that if GLG is scum, we do get some info, and I'm not sure I get any reads if he flips town. What makes me most suspicious of GLG is his accusations of Nich for defending GLG, while not applying the same line of reasoning to Beatstick. That being said, if GLG is scum, I think we should lynch Beatstick day 2.

At this point in time, it seems like there are 4 options, GLG, Nich, Ryu, and no lynch. At this point in time, of those options, I feel like GLG is the best option. I believe he may be scum. I don't see any evidence toward Nich being scum, and I really don't have much of a read on RYU.

 

[Xivii]

Town motivation is pretty much synonymous with scum hunting. Or playing to lynch scum. Like how you have been reviewing players. I get the sense that you really are trying to catch scum. Where as Nich has posted cases just for the sake of posting as he admitted earlier.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Nich:

-I was scum last game when I was brutally dissing your tunneling. You realize that, yes? Also not following through with suspicions is not the same as simply not tunneling. Not tunneling means you don't tunnel.

You were dissing it in Mario Kart mafia as well, you hated my case on Tiger woods in that game.

-Both cases were originally mine. There was absolutely nothing original about your case on Raz. Raz is a noob. You and Gord are not.

You were dissing it for being an easy case, not an unoriginal one. Way to dodge the point.

-To be able to catch scum in just a few posts would be cool, but unfortunately I have no such ability. Having an open mind is how a townie should play.

You were going scum-gord, scum-gord, scum-glg, town-nick, then out of nowhere, suddenly it's scum-me and town-glg. Did I miss something?

You missed it? Even though I specifically asked you to read it in 756, a post which you responded to in 772 (and therefore read)? Whatever, semantics. What do you mean by "good points"? Be specific.

I mean I missed it when it was originally posted. As for good points, I meant the one about Zen ignoring your question.

The lynch is on you. More important, however, is your statement which translates to this: "I'll do work to implicate someone else, if it gets me out of a lynch."

As of the last votecount, GLG had more votes than I did. (That has since changed, but I'm far from locked in as the D1 lynch.) My statement is that "I'd rather wait until D2 so I can refine the case a little, but if you're going to lynch me toDay I'll hurry up and get it out there before I die." Quit twisting my words.

Demonstrate why you see this possibility, or point to a post that says the same.

It's the way Zen backed off of GLG suddenly. Although the original action between Zen and Gord looked legit on Zen's part, the way he backed off of GLG definitely doesn't. It would be a really nice play of scum distancing, then if GLG gets lynched and flips scum, Zen can just go "Well I'm not scum, look how I was after him early D1!"

@X1
Be more specific, why is GLG a bad lynch? Give REAL reasoning, if you please.

@Frozen, Adumb
Get in here and vote GLG. Deadline's approaching, and we need your votes to make the right lynch happen.

 

[giraffelasergun]

@Frozen and Adumb:
It would be pretty cool if you guys voted nich, so that way we make sure we get a lynch this day phase and its not a mislynch.

 

[Xivii]

You were dissing it in Mario Kart mafia as well, you hated my case on Tiger woods in that game.

Don't remeber. All I recal is disagreeing with you on Tiger, not specifically your tunneling.

You were dissing it for being an easy case, not an unoriginal one. Way to dodge the point.

It's easier to follow a case that has been made than to create your own. There was no point dodged.

You were going scum-gord, scum-gord, scum-glg, town-nick, then out of nowhere, suddenly it's scum-me and town-glg. Did I miss something?

I never said Town Nich ever.
I haven't pushed hard on glg since he replaced in.
I don't have a town read on glg. He's a scummy player. I'd only have a town read on him if you flip scum. You're scummier to me.

 

[Rajam]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12069789&postcount=680

glg case on Nich. I don't agree with every point but I do agree with the final overview:

The summary of what I was getting it: The way nich posts makes me want to think he's scum because he's very sarcastic, eager to attack people/their offense(as oppose to countering their offense) and his wording in general just seems like he's trying to get anyone but him lynched all the time.

Indeed, I also think Nich is reacting sometimes in sarcasting ways and being kinda whiny. His wording is also strange with some sentences and defenses/offenses which don't seem genuine from town (ie: #221)

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12071217&postcount=685

Zen again with a case, this time a lot better. I'll ignore the usage of meta because I'll give Nich the benefit of the doubt on the change of playstyle (If not, I would have used it long time ago because I saw Nich in Mario Kart Mafia and he tunneled OS to death there), but I agree a lot with these points:

"We can determine that you lack town motivation because of your lack of scumhunting and your jumping on weak points. But to say that you have a lack of scum motivation is weird. We don't know that."

"None of this but the first line relates to the point at all. You're just rambling now which shows me you have no real line of thought, you're simply posing.

...everything that you had mentioned on Raz had already been pointed out multiple times. Then you come in like you were making some whole new case. Also that line where you were like "I just searched thix guys posts and found some interesting things" (somethhng like that) is where I got my first major bit of suspicion on you. That whole line is basically saying " hey look at me I'm doing something gaiz". Furthermore, you had hardly commented on the things going on around you. It would make sense if you were scumhunting and making a catch up post and then wanted to reiterate the points on Raz, but you showed no sign of involvement anywhere else which shows me that you just randomly picked something you could put your vote on and show that you were here."

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12072077&postcount=690

"I want to think Nich is scummy from all that tunneling, but apparently that's his normal town playstyle so I'm not sure what to make of him."

lol Luxor seems you haven't even paid attention at all to Nich

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12075755&postcount=726

Nich's defense. Mmmmm nothing really, not town or scum vibes; could go either way
(*You also forgot point 5.- Easy case on Raziek*)

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12076011&postcount=727

LOL

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12080653&postcount=754

More defense from Nich. This is an answer I dislike a lot:

"Easy. You simply ask what motivation scum would have for promising a reread and failing to deliver (while occasionally posting some content, and reminding town about his promise.) Answer: ZERO."

So, when someone is being lazy to do a promised reread that player is town??

Another iffy responses:

"So, I'm not allowed to post a case unless it's 100% new material? When I make a case, I'm going to use all the material available, whether it's new or not."

"So, would you prefer me not to contribute anything at all and just drop off the map? I hadn't the time/motivation to complete a full reread, so I did a scan of one player's posts to keep contributing in the meantime."

"When you're behind on the thread, that happens."

Feels off to me... weird wording, strange reactions. Several, several anwers below these ones are the same

"-The way I dropped the reread makes no sense for scum."

...
Hence you're town because you weren't doing the reread? Anyways this answer isn't legit

 

[Rajam]

Uh, first part I got a null/slight town read on Nich, but this last part changed it to "Null/not really town vibes at all", so I'm willing to lynch him. He hasn't followed his case on Raziek after responding to his defense, but instead has spent all the time just defending from Zen and glg and diverting attention into lurkers, without really adding value with scumhunting.

Will drop my vote later in a couple of hours

unvote

 

[Nicholas1024]

Don't remeber. All I recal is disagreeing with you on Tiger, not specifically your tunneling.

I'll just quote you from earlier in this thread.

You tunnel the wrong people for the wrong reasons extensively. Your tunneling here would be much appreciated.

Also it hasn't even been an irl day yet. I'm not tunneling.

It's easier to follow a case that has been made than to create your own. There was no point dodged.

Again, I'll quote you.

-The only case he has made was on Raz. Such an easy case to make...

It doesn't say "unoriginal case", it says EASY case. The cases you made on Gord and me were definitely easy. Gord might not be a newbie, but he's not exactly a great player, and I was a fairly easy target when you made your case on me.

I never said Town Nich ever.

I haven't pushed hard on glg since he replaced in.

Why not? You were pushing hard enough on Gord, that's for sure.

I don't have a town read on glg. He's a scummy player. I'd only have a town read on him if you flip scum. You're scummier to me.

Maybe you haven't outright said it, but you've given the implication he's town with stuff like this:

glg if Nich flips scum, you wont have to worry about being lynched later on really. I doubt anyone thinks if Nich flipped scum, you would be scum as well.

Stop being a *****. We need you.

and since you've been practically screaming "NICKSCUM" for the past few days, that implies you think GLG is town. If you thought we were both scummy, why not just lynch GLG, and if he flips town then lynch me?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Uh, first part I got a null/slight town read on Nich, but this last part changed it to "Null/not really town vibes at all", so I'm willing to lynch him. He hasn't followed his case on Raziek after responding to his defense, but instead has spent all the time just defending from Zen and glg and diverting attention into lurkers, without really adding value with scumhunting.

Will drop my vote later in a couple of hours

unvote

Diverting attention into lurkers? You've been skimming. The players I have been directing attention to are Zen and GLG, neither of which is lurking by any definition of the word. Try again.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Forgot to give a quote to show that Zen had me in the town category earlier. Anyway, he never really said it in so many words, but he had me at least in the null category until he came out of nowhere with that case. This is easily seen by the fact that he had never directed significant attention my way earlier, as well as this quote

-Where as everything that you had mentioned on Raz had already been pointed out multiple times. Then you come in like you were making some whole new case. Also that line where you were like "I just searched thix guys posts and found some interesting things" (somethhng like that) is where I got my first major bit of suspicion on you.

Which means that you had no major suspicion on me before this.

 

[Xivii]

Let me turn this one back around on you, X1. When has scum made big lists in early game like Gord did? After all, if it's a standard scumtell then it should happen every so often.

....Clever. 10 Points for Nicholas! Still a pointless post, but intellectually clever.

Explain how this was a pointless post. Why did you feel the need to point that out about it? What do you think Nich's reasons were for posting it?

 

[Xivii]

*Sigh.* Nich if you are town, you're getting no where with working around everything I say just to fit your statement. I just realized it's not tunneling that is the bad part of your play the past games with you it's that you once you get on something you fail to reason. You work around logic just to fit your point.

I'll just quote you from earlier in this thread.

You tunnel the wrong people for the wrong reasons extensively. Your tunneling here would be much appreciated.

Also it hasn't even been an irl day yet. I'm not tunneling.

What does this have to do with the point you are trying to make? I really don't understand.

Again, I'll quote you.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Zεη
-The only case he has made was on Raz. Such an easy case to make...

It doesn't say "unoriginal case", it says EASY case. The cases you made on Gord and me were definitely easy. Gord might not be a newbie, but he's not exactly a great player, and I was a fairly easy target when you made your case on me.

My response:

It's easier to follow a case that has been made than to create your own.

It's EASY to follow a case that ISNT ORIGINAL. Therefore your case was EASY.

And you're basically calling yourself a bad player. If making a case on you was easy, this day would be over.

Why not? You were pushing hard enough on Gord, that's for sure.

Hmm. Because I think my case on Gord is stupid.

Maybe you haven't outright said it, but you've given the implication he's town with stuff like this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zεη
glg if Nich flips scum, you wont have to worry about being lynched later on really. I doubt anyone thinks if Nich flipped scum, you would be scum as well.

Stop being a *****. We need you.

and since you've been practically screaming "NICKSCUM" for the past few days, that implies you think GLG is town. If you thought we were both scummy, why not just lynch GLG, and if he flips town then lynch me?

The only thing that implies is that I think he is town if you flip scum.

"If you thought we were both scummy, why not just lynch GLG, and if he flips town then lynch me?"

You're scummier to me.

Forgot to give a quote to show that Zen had me in the town category earlier. Anyway, he never really said it in so many words, but he had me at least in the null category until he came out of nowhere with that case. This is easily seen by the fact that he had never directed significant attention my way earlier, as well as this quote


Quote:
Originally Posted by Zεη
-Where as everything that you had mentioned on Raz had already been pointed out multiple times. Then you come in like you were making some whole new case. Also that line where you were like "I just searched thix guys posts and found some interesting things" (somethhng like that) is where I got my first major bit of suspicion on you.

Which means that you had no major suspicion on me before this.

You kidding me? What was the point of this again? And it doesn't show that I thought you were town at all. It shows I had suspicion and that post gave me more suspicion.

 

[Rajam]

Diverting attention into lurkers? You've been skimming. The players I have been directing attention to are Zen and GLG, neither of which is lurking by any definition of the word. Try again.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12076011&postcount=727

Last part of your second quote

vote: Nicholas1024

 

[Xivii]

Rajam did you say something earlier about not liking to post your town reads for the most part? I forget. If so why not?

 

[Rajam]

I said that I used to do that always and someone told me it shoudn't be done because scum would know who is being perceived town by other townies, and then someone (don't remember who) said here it doesn't matter and that it can be done to prevent mislynches and to defend people you think are town. At the end I guess I'll continue doing it because (ignoring Chrono Trigger) it has brought me good results overall

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

That was L-1.

 

[ranmaru]

I said that I used to do that always and someone told me it shoudn't be done because scum would know who is being perceived town by other townies, and then someone (don't remember who) said here it doesn't matter and that it can be done to prevent mislynches and to defend people you think are town. At the end I guess I'll continue doing it because (ignoring Chrono Trigger) it has brought me good results overall

X1 said that. Also Rajam, have you read my response to your #729?


@Luxor&Beastick:

What do you guys think of Zen calling you town?

 

[Xivii]

Unvote >____________>

Nich you never told me why you think OS is town other than his reads are the same as yours. But why does that make him town?

 

[ranmaru]

Yep, I have said that myself. Even OS says Nich is town too, which is odd.

 

[Xivii]

glg, what is the name of your role specifically?

 

[Xivii]

unvote vote: GLG
lynching me would actually be the most helpful thing for the town today. Also, if I made it to lylo I'd probably lose the game for us(and by that I mean i'd be lynched then) so we might as well just do it now.

If you guys could, I'd appreciate it if OS and Beatstick were looked at more toMorrow. People who make posts like these:









are definetely scum and need to either be lynched or at least seriously considered to be looked at.

Also, overswarm I find it funny you find it necessary to post twice within an hour to say the same thing lol.

I'm not understanding what was scummy about the posts you quoted O:

Can you explain?

 

[Xivii]

Also can someone put Nich at L-1 again? I just want to ensure that we have a lynch go through. But I still want glg, Nich, and OS to answer those questions before the day ends.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Too tired to make a proper post right now (It's past 11:30 here), so I'll just claim for the moment.

Ike, Town census taker and coroner (not sure how that ties in with Ike, but whatever). I can check the town/scum ratio on the previous day's lynch at night (but only once), and I can get one dead player's role (if it hasn't been revealed). Sanity is not guaranteed.

 

[Vult Redux]

Ike, Town census taker and coroner (not sure how that ties in with Ike, but whatever). I can check the town/scum ratio on the previous day's lynch at night (but only once), and I can get one dead player's role (if it hasn't been revealed). Sanity is not guaranteed.

Everyone on this wagon should unvote now. p:

Take your pick:

A.) Intuition

B.) Because I said so

C.) Because I'm always right

how about a real answer

 

[Xivii]

Nich can you answer my question when you get back.

Vote: Red Ryu

Will take glg as well

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Still needs to answer that question at least. Flavour's not there, as he said himself. Responses have been less than satisfactory; he skipped a question in favour of claiming. If he flips town then existence of a janitor is confirmed. Also deadline is in 11 hours-ish and we should take what we can get.

GLG lynch is still useless, but I'd take Ryu in a pinch.

 

[Xivii]

We have 2-3 days, yeah? You guys think glg is a better play than Ryu?

glgs self vote looks more to me like town who thinks his lynch would aid in catching a would be scum-OS/Scum-beat rather than cornered scum. Everything before that is so scummy but that post looks more town to me which makes me hesitant. Also Ran is still scummy, but he has to wait. Rajam was right.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Working on Rajam's post right now, but since the issue keeps coming up I need to keep addressing it.

The talk with Glyph and Gordito has nothing to do with this game at all. Glyph was legitmatly with me in the Legion of Doom mafia, you have to be a mod or Ex-mod to see this, and in the disco Upick mafia, need premium.

The Charizard talk was because people were guessing if I was Charizard or an arsonist because of the fact all my posts had fire in them. In each of my posts I generally used the word flaming in them as my posting restriction of all of my posts involving fire.

This is me being honest here, it really has nothing in game to do with this mafia game. Please stop looking at it, it really isn't going to help scum hunting because it really is nothing but silly talk of other mafia games I've played in with the two of them.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Deadline is 11:59 am EST, like 11 hours.

Ryu, who's scum? Where's your vote right now? Deadline is close and you should be working on finding us the right lynch, not defending yourself against one.