Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance | Final Chapter

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oops, just looked and deadline is the 1st, not the 31st. Lots of time.

 

[Xivii]

True the flavor doesn't match up. I swear I have seen this claim some where before. Serious de ja vu or something.

The claim seems kind of out there to be made up though don't you think Nabe? I doesn't seem likely to me that scum would claim to roles.

 

[Xivii]

two *

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Deadline is 11:59 am EST, like 11 hours.

Ryu, who's scum? Where's your vote right now? Deadline is close and you should be working on finding us the right lynch, not defending yourself against one.

I was actually addressing a point about the talk early on which Rajam and others think is scum and has something t do with this game, and it really does urk me that people are looking at those and taking them seriously.

As for Scum,
X1-12, if he flips scum I suspect Zen as well. He's being vague and really kind of puposely staying off the radar by posting a little, then not really doing much. When he gets called on it he either promises large posts which he fails to do at times and doesn't really address points well. Then the bandwagoning he does, with quick, Vote: etc. stuff.

Nich, his posts a lot don't really address points and go, nah you wrong, with some sarcasm thrown in. Like X1-12 he seems to bandwagon off people rather than make points of his own.

GLG, He hasn't done much to contribute well in terms of scum hunting when I last looking right now I'm looking at Rajam post so he might have fixed it during the weekend. I also don't like how he voted for himself from what I have seen thus far, it feels like a gambit on emotions.

My vote is on Nich, because of all of my scum picks. It would be on X1-12 if it wasn't for Zen's opinion of him being 100% town, which leads to possible lovers or siblings.

Let me catch up and I will address the new stuff immediately.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I have no idea. Thought we had less time though, I'm willing to pursue other things since that role has a lot of potential.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

You just gave me the town's favourite scumpicks. Is that it?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also about flavor it doesn't always match, in disco mafia I was Charizard and ended up as Mafia strongman, which doesn't really match-up to fire which everyone was thinking of me.

Also a bolt of lightning and a sandwich were zombies.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Zen isn't a favorite, actually he shouldn't be on my list per say be he is a candidate if X1-12 is scum.

I do have some maybe scum people, like Cdubs1987, Overswarm, and Raziek, however none of that is really conclusive imo, compared to the ones I listen.

It's X1-12 or Nich, the only reason I am hesitant on X1-12 is because I'm worried we would lose Zen by lynching X1-12 if he flips town. Which is why I think Nich is the better choice of the two.

 

[Xivii]

Unvote; Vote Ranmaru

So thought those huge posts were a town tell, but really what did he actually say that is useful in that post?

Should just bypass the case that Rajam made on Glyph? I think it would be a mistake if we did.

Something that caught my attention about Ran is how he told Rajam (I think it was) that if he didn't like his questions then to ignore them, then he said to beat that if Rajam doesn't answer his questions then he would just keep asking him and that he had to be persistant.

 

[Xivii]

Nabe will persue this since we have time? Me, you, Rajam, and beat is 4. Plus Luxor would be 5 so we have enough to get this going.

glg will you vote Ran with me?

I'd bring up Rajam's case on Glyph/Ran but I'm on psp.

Nich what do you think about Ran/Glyph? And what do you think about glg's self vote post? You think it was a scum gambit? If so, why do you think it was more scummy than genuine?

 

[Xivii]

should WE* just bypass*
Nabe will YOU*

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Before I catch up into that Zen, while you do think X1-12 is 100%, can you say that is being helpful at all. His latest post just seems like a troll to us rather than doing anything productive.

Even with his, get off GLG, he doesn't actually help to say why we should.

 

[Xivii]

Ryu what are your thoughts on Ran? Could you vote him since we no longer have enough for a Nich lynch? The lynch pool is now basically between you, Ran, and glg. I'd like to know your thoughts on glg as well. It will be pretty interesting which of then you choose to vote, I think.

 

[Xivii]

Ryu, x1 is just a troll. That's the way he is. Check out Castlevania or any of his other games. It's his playstyle. Trust me for today and if things don't work out, I wont argue against you.

 

[Xivii]

them* sorry _._

 

[DtJ Jungle]

9/16|02.01.10 11:59AM EST

votee|voters
Ranmaru|Zen
giraffelasergun|Vult Redux/Nicholas1024/Cdubs1987/Luxor/Overswarm/
Nicholas1024|Ranmaru/BeatStick/Red Ryu/Nabe/giraffelasergun/x1-12/rajam
Red Ryu|frozenflame751/Raziek/adumbrodeus/
No Vote|No One

 

[Xivii]

lolwut. All three of the inactives are on Ryu.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

About Red Ryu:

19:

23:

24:

31:

This is the dumb interaction between Glyph and Red Ryu in RVS stage. As I said, if any of them flips scum this interaction should be taken into account, since it seems like a scum-scum interaction more than anything

29:

31:

Another weird interaction in RVS, now between Gord and Ryu. As I said earlier I think scum Gord would have made serious questions to his scum partners which don't demand much work, but scum Gord could have thrown a joke question to one of his scummates. If Gord/glg flips scum this is something to be wary of

53:

55:

johns for not posting during the Gord issue

77:

Indirect defense on Gord

80:

^^^

84:

Seems like an honest answer, but we're already on #84 and you haven't done any scumhunting. Anyways if you agreed at this point he was the strongest lynch candidate, why not voting him? What you say in this post is also kind of contradictory: you say gord is the strongest lynch candidate based on what Zen presented though at the same time you say his meta on Gord (which was important part of his case) isn't safe on regards to see how scummy Gord is. Indirect defense on Gord again despite you said he was the strongest lynch candidate

First off, like I said earlier drop the RVS stuff I posted, it doesn't matter.

Second, I agreed with the in game evidence, but not with the out of game evidence. I think people can use that and make mislynchs or be played on that kind of read. I was only calling part of the reasoning because to me it didn't make sense to try it based on out of game play.

He was right on Gordito, however Ranmaru is looking a lot less scummy. I don't think Ranmaru is scum despite Gordito's play at the beginning, well also because there are others I feel like are D1 plays, X1-12 and Nich.

108:

116:

120:

Red Ryu never addressed this. Why did you ignore it?

I probably missed it at one point.

If so atm I have a neutral read on Zen because of X1-12 otherwise he might be more town in my eyes.

As it stands with this game, until I can confirm something I'm still gonna look at them.

123:

People noticing Red Ryu's inactivity and believing he is scum

This is true, at that point I think it was the last two weeks I was working before packer games.

#156:

The first is in regards to Ryu's #84, and the second paragraph refers to Ryu's #116. I agree with these points

Which look at the RVS moments that I again, am telling people they are not game related.

234:

239:

240:

^^^
I'd only add that I think Gord scum -> Ryu scum. Ryu just defended and avoided Gord during all the initial pressure on him

Again the reason I questioned his behavior was because him and X1-12 jumped on really fast for a lynch, he was the strongest at the time but I didn't think the game developed enough. I avoid Gord, probably because he opted out for a replacement and stopped posting if I recall correctly.

245:

...This could be as well. So, Ryu, you're scum independent of Gord's flip right?

This would have merit if I didn't call out people on being scum many of which who others agree could be scum.

I was against it at the time due to part of it being based on out of game experience, and at that point my views were changing on others, aka Zen and X1_12.

245:

Zen's response to Ryu's #239. Last paragraph needs a response from Ryu's

Even Zen's recent voting habits seem to jump around a lot more rather than looking more consistent, which does seem wold to me. He's quick to jump off one person and move to another like X1_12 and Nich, however unlike X1_12 he posts reasoning at the very least, however like he said it was mostly me not agreeing with reasoning presented, not all like the in game stuff on Goridito I agreed, out of game not so much.

#241:

295:

310:

311:

*Several questions meanwhile Ryu was very pressured due to inactivity*

The first quote supports my previous statement, he listed reasoning on Luxor then jumped ship and said he was town.

The next I answered already earlier in my large post about X1_12, in the next quote, and I did take a stance, I said he was looking more like scum really early on, difference is Ranmaru took over and him I'm as sure I can call him scum, he's more town imo.

346: Finally, Ryu's promised post:



Response to Nabe's #240. It seems honest.




Response to Luxor's #241. Lol @ "continue hunting"; only thing you've done has been saying Zen is scummy because of his use of meta on gord and willing to quick-lynch him, and random accusations on X1. Up to this post (#346) you're barely starting to scumhunt and you haven't said anything about Gord's play (nor other players' play)



Reponse to Zen's #245. This is better, though I not necesarily agree with, I think is a decent response

The rest of the post is pretty good scumhunt imo (finally), Ryu also answers X1's #295. Several town-points to Ryu. Though I'm sad you didn't address the first part of my #311 (your take on Gord?)

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I'll continue with Ryu later, and I'll give an overall insight on him and see if he is worth lynching. Ryu you can answer the issues I addressed on here meanwhile.

Gordito was leaning scum for me based on his silly pic posting and half way trolling, however Ranmaru hasn't done such and is being more helpful in pointing out behavior.

This is what makes it hard for me to call Ranmaru scum based on Gordito, it makes sense to but how Ran plays and his more helpful attitude makes me doubt this.

Part 1 is done Part 2 in a sec.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryu what are your thoughts on Ran? Could you vote him since we no longer have enough for a Nich lynch? The lynch pool is now basically between you, Ran, and glg. I'd like to know your thoughts on glg as well. It will be pretty interesting which of then you choose to vote, I think.

Ran is more likely to be town, Gordito is my main doubt on him. I don't think he is being not helpful, he is asking legit questions and scum hunting.

Why jump ship on Nich? to me him and GLG are the strongest D1 lynches, based on the three you gave me, it would be GLG, Ran I don't see a strong case unlike Nich and GLG.

Ryu, x1 is just a troll. That's the way he is. Check out Castlevania or any of his other games. It's his playstyle. Trust me for today and if things don't work out, I wont argue against you.

Really this answer is making me more likely to go for a lynch on him, because he is being useless as ever and not really helping town at all.

If it is his playstyle, I really hate it hardcore.

 

[Xivii]

Ryu, you are confusing Ran with glg.

glg replaced Gordito.
Ranmaru replaced Glyph.

So which is it you dislike and like? Also a couple of things you said to Rajam needs altering.

As for x1 just drop him for today yo.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Continuing on Red Ryu:

350:

X1's response to Ryu's #346. I think it does show (346) a certain degree of X1 riding on Zen's case; I still don't know if it was a legit different focus on Gord or just a disguise to jump on Zen's case (since "making lists" doesn't seem like a strong case to sustain by his own, and I'm not sure about all this gambit thing)

Anyways, X1's response isn't good since he only discredits Ryu's case without actually analyzing one-by-one Ryu's points

He didn't even do it at all.

Like most of this game he's been riding others claims and not being helpful at all. Look even at his most recent posts, they do little to help town only saying, we should lynch blah blah.

357:

I share this feeling about X1. He just responds in arrogant ways which don't help town

Agree on this, 100%

373:

^^^ 1000x this. You still haven't said anything on Gord and we're already on #373

Gordito made me think he was more scum, Ranmaru again, makes me doubt this. My reasoning is...well I posted it before.

385:

Zen's defense. (Ryu's reactions pending)

His rebuttal is more fair, althought like before he is moving his votes around a bit too all over the play, even if he has reasons, I don't think he should use his votes like this.

420:

421: This + #420 is a detailed defense from X1, though he goes more into OS. Anyways, at this point I've noted that Ryu has only been accusing Zen and X1, mostly for being on Gord's case (@Zen because of his meta and being ready to lynch Gord, and X1 because of jumping on Zen's case, which, independent of if it is true or not, it's kind of irrelevant by now). I think at this point it's safe to establish that:
X1 mafia -> Ryu town or indy
Zen mafia -> Ryu town or indy
Ryu mafia -> X1 and Zen town or indy
I'll also retract what I said on my #407 about Gord town -> Ryu scum, and change it into Gord scum -> Ryu scum, because, again, Ryu has defended and mostly avoided Gord and the whole accusations made on him all this time

420 was not detailed at all.

421 was his only post I felt like he put effort into making rather than riding this game along. I only accused him and Zen because they were the main people I was looking at during that time.

461:

The X1-Ryu clash is getting dumb now. Both of you are getting too stubborn on this. Also, this post smells like a huge bus on Gord; me and ff were asking you a lot time ago your take on Gord; you avoided us all this time and now you say Gord is a lynch candidate, without any further addition of why? Also if you think Gord is a lynch candidate, why voting X1 then? just because he isn't admitting he wagoned on Zen's case? It's also very likely both X1 and Gord can't be mafia, so why, if Gord is scummy, worth a lynch, would you vote X1? Your final accusations on OS and Gord came outta nowhere as well

Gordito leaned more scum based on his earlier behavior, he passed himself off more vocally as a troll method like X1_12 has not really helping any situation. However he dropped out of the game so I moved onto another person since he wasn't gonna post until his replacement, Ranmaru, showed up whom in contrast made me doubt him being scum for being more helpful.

466:

I'd like to see a response to this if you're willing to vote X1 instead of Gord or Zen when you said they are worth lynching

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Will finish this tomorrow, I've to leave now (V/LA until tomorrow night). At the time I have a weak scum read on Ryu, his dispute with X1 is honest and some responses/questions too, but they're mostly irrelevant so it doesn't matter. No idea what would be his stances on players like adumbrodeus, Nich, Nabe, Raziek, Vult, Cdubs, because they appear nowhere. I'd say he isn't connected to Zen, X1, and probably FF, Luxor and BeatStick. He has also avoided Glyph after the RVS chit chat. Bland content, lack of relevant scumhunt, kind of inactive, and blatantly avoiding Gord and several issues (you don't see him addressing much on these 450+ posts so far) are his most remarkable scummy acts.

I've explained above about X1_12 a bunch and why I think he was more worth lynching over.

Glyph got replaced GLG, which is I probably stopped talking about Glyph.

 

[Xivii]

Unvote; Vote: Nich

Good point Ryu. Nich, what is the exact name of your role?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryu, you are confusing Ran with glg.

glg replaced Gordito.
Ranmaru replaced Glyph.

So which is it you dislike and like? Also a couple of things you said to Rajam needs altering.

As for x1 just drop him for today yo.

Oh, I completely got them flipped, woops.

If that is true this made things a lot easier actually, this also make GLG look more like scum.

If he was the fill in for Gordito, that adds more to his behavior, he asks to die which seems like playing the emotion card with his vote on himself and asks his questions and remarks don't lead very well in helping town.

Ran replacing Glyph is fine in my books, Glyph...didn't do a whole lot, Ranmaru stepped it up, seems like a normal fill in to me. Which I like it when the fill-ins are active and help with scum hunting.

For D1, I really think Nich is the play, instead of rebuttals we get, lol your wrong, and witty comebacks, none of which actually help his case.

I shall not role claim, even a name, at this time, D1 is too early for even a name, even if my claim is VT or a weak PR role.

 

[Luxor]

@Luxor&Beastick:

What do you guys think of Zen calling you town?

I concur with Zen's read. This *could* be a case of scumZen trying to buddy back up to me, but Zen is confusing me hardcore atm.

Luxor you never explained the things you didn't like about me the past few days. I'm not always the best at explaining my thought process, so if there's something you don't understand can you please explain?

OS why do you think Nich is town? You haven't said so once. Luxor neither have you. In fact no one who is saying that they think Nich is town is explaining why, yet you're fighting so hard against his lynch.

I'm open to a Nich lynch, I'd just prefer GLG. I'll get to more factual basis and your potential scumhood later I promise for sure, during a class I have more time in. APUSH is busy.

Oh yeah btw Nabe I will lynch Zen with you toMorrow.

u trollin' or wat? Zen implies you two are masons,YOU implied you two were masons, and you say you'll lynch your masonbuddy? Explain please.

Unvote; Vote: Nich

Good point Ryu. Nich, what is the exact name of your role?

Didn't he already say Ike?

Ike, Town census taker and coroner (not sure how that ties in with Ike, but whatever). I can check the town/scum ratio on the previous day's lynch at night (but only once), and I can get one dead player's role (if it hasn't been revealed). Sanity is not guaranteed.

Which I'll buy for the moment.

 

[Xivii]

Since Ryu mixed up the replacements, we know that he is not scum with either. Him being scum with one he would know who they replaced since he would know who the previous bud was.

Also since we know from earlier that Gord and Glyph aren't scumbuddies that means that only a max of one scum could lay between Ryu, glg, and Ran. If one flips scum, the other two are not scum.

Out of this whole ordeal I'm inclined to think Ryu is town.

 

[Xivii]

All 3 could be town, but only 1 could be scum. I want to look over Ran again, but glg is a really viable lynch. I'll take Nich or glg. But yeah still need to look over Ran. I skimmed his two big posts completely because they were so annoying to read.

 

[Xivii]

I meant his role as it is listed in his pm.

Also why are you doing APUSH in the UK o.o?

 

[Beat!]

Oh wow. All the action happens while I'm asleep.

 

[Luxor]

Switzerland > UK. I'm at an international school, since a month ago I was in the US taking APUSH.

 

[Beat!]

Nichs claim looks pretty legit. Not completely convinced though.
unvote for now, but I still think he's played really scummy, and he could still be the best lynch.

If we don't lynch Nich, I'd prefer Ran over GLG and Ryu. He's the one posting the least content of the three.

 

[Luxor]

Vote GLG, with you and Zen he'll be at L-2.

 

[Beat!]

Do I have to? I still don't think he's the lynch ._.

 

[Rajam]

Too tired to make a proper post right now (It's past 11:30 here), so I'll just claim for the moment.

Ike, Town census taker and coroner (not sure how that ties in with Ike, but whatever). I can check the town/scum ratio on the previous day's lynch at night (but only once), and I can get one dead player's role (if it hasn't been revealed). Sanity is not guaranteed.

unvote
by now

Anyone counterclaiming?
And let's lynch Ran

 

[Beat!]

Vote: Ranmaru

Probably not going to happen, but might as well try.

 

[Rajam]

If Nich flips scum, his partners are experienced ones to make that sort of a fake claim (OS and adumb come to mind). The not-confirmed sanity is something that bothers me

Read Red Ryu's defense and I don't think any longer he is the play toDay. Town feeling around him

vote: Ranmaru

 

[Luxor]

unvote vote Ranmaru

 

[Rajam]

Ran could you quote where did you address my case? I don't recall it

 

[Rajam]

Vult if you aren't voting Ranmaru then explain in detail why you won't

 

[giraffelasergun]

glg, what is the name of your role specifically?

Vanilla Mercenary, specifically Jill.

I'm not understanding what was scummy about the posts you quoted O:

Can you explain?

Os keeps on saying taht hes disgusted with a lynch, not providing any reasoning, just that hes disgusted. He also provides alternatives but he doesn't actually even try to do anything to get there.

Beat's post is worthless and hes basically trying to stop discussion even though we still had time for a lynch when he made that post and is just really anti-town to me.

 

[Beat!]

Stopping discussion? Really? News flash: Deadline is tomorrow. There's still time, but not THAT much.

Although if "trying to stop discussion" means "trying to avoid a No Lynch", then yeah, you're right.