Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia | GAME OVER: Not Equal To The Challenge

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

k I'm out of here, as I said earlier I still have a lot to read. Ranmaru should be around and he has my blessing for shooting any of my scumreads without asking (Ran if you want to shoot someone else, let's talk about it in the QT)

For this part I will give you til friday.

 

[Dabuz]

For example, I knew that Ranmaru could use Steel Axes. I know more, too.

I just want Kary's class.

Role fiiiiiiiiiiiishing. Question, are you actually going to shoot or do you just want to know everyone's classes?

Potassium, if you shoot Xastrn off that reasoning I will shoot you tomorrow. You've been behaving almost exactly how you said scumyou acts and my town read on you is slipping. Also I'm not too sure how your setup speculation is gonna help... but I'm willing to see where you go with it.

If Pot were to shoot Xast, don't you think that kind of recklessness would hurt scum more than anything?

*Sees Xast's giant wall of FB conversation* I'd be very surprised if scum could fake that.

 

[Circus]

Concerning recent matters related to rules about private communication and role PM knowledge, all I have to say is this, after much deliberation and investigation: No one will be modkilled.

Continue as normal.

 

[Xastrn]

All we will say is: Dastrn and I are positive we never posted our role PM info into our conversation with FML. Maybe Orbo was mistaken, or maybe he lied to town and accidentally freaked out the mod. Either way, we can move on from that particular point regarding our case.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

why would I lie about something like that.
as any alignment.
dont ****ing piss me off. That kinda stuff pisses me off. i'm mistaken, fine, But dont say I lied.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

im gonna go kill things in halo. may bbl.

 

[Xivii]

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[Kantrip]

Role fiiiiiiiiiiiishing. Question, are you actually going to shoot or do you just want to know everyone's classes?




If Pot were to shoot Xast, don't you think that kind of recklessness would hurt scum more than anything?

*Sees Xast's giant wall of FB conversation* I'd be very surprised if scum could fake that.

I do fully intend to carry out on my threats, yes.

And I asked for Ran's claim because he was on the chopping block. I could have asked him to full claim everything, would that be role fishing too? It's called getting a claim

 

[Kantrip]

Xastrn what happens to your reads if FML ends up being town?

 

[Xastrn]

why would I lie about something like that.
as any alignment.
dont ****ing piss me off. That kinda stuff pisses me off. i'm mistaken, fine, But dont say I lied.

He said maybe it was a mistake first...He and I talked about it at length (on facebook...lol...) to try to make sure we were sure.

We feel fine with the fact that it was almost definitely an honest mistake. No offense meant.

 

[Kantrip]

So Orbo thought he saw them post their role PM and he still had doubts about if they were town or not?

wut

 

[Xastrn]

Well so shooting Ran now for sure.

Perhaps with our info out there from the private conversation with FML, you'd be more comfortable seeing Kary kill him or Potassium? We're split on who to kill first, but we feel pretty confident in both.
This would be a much better move % wise than anything else.

 

[Xastrn]

So... FML is floundering. We're convinced he is the play for today.

xasts time logs also are null lol. This is why me and orbo didnt include ours cuz its' silly in the first degree and is worse than non telling

Pretty much everyone disagrees with you. Dastrn and I were shocked that conversation itself didn't make you instantly believe we were town. We honestly didnt't even considered the timestamps until today.

At the very least, you should have given us more of a reaction than a shrug and wishy-washy read afterwards.

So we are supposed to take it as face value that an entire n0, a lot f which took place pre role pm, was completely legit and telling to the town favor? Skepticism is a big part of this game and I'm not gonna put anything past anyone. Logs and conversations cane be that hard to fake.

Your next defense basically amounts to: "Hey people lie in this game."

Followed by...

Honesty is a thing.

More tidbits...

where did we say you vs kary was tvs?

What you actually said was that setting up TvS was our only hope of living, which, again, was horrible advice that would have resulted in two more days of mislynches and a scum victory.

I said i couldnt stop the mob, and gave your fate into the hands of those you were accused by.

The mob was already stopped and/or stopping when you separated. You openly said in thread that you thought our death would be good for town, while still offering wishy-washy reads. That's not "giving us over to the mob," that's "I don't want to openly say this slot is scum because I know he'll flip town."

Xastrn, I know you probably sincerely doubt that both me and FML can be town right now, but I think that is actually the case.

Just theoretically, what happens to your reads if FML is town?

Well, obviously we'd have to reevaluate our other top choice, which is you. We have felt you were scummy for other reasons than our FML interaction (I went into that earlier), but the connection to FML is a strengthening factor. That would also be our second mislynch in two days, so odds are we'd take a long, hard look at the way we are approaching the game.

That being said, I have very little doubt that FML is scum at this point. The timestamped conversation may be a bit cheap, but it's also quite damning.

 

[Xastrn]

So Orbo thought he saw them post their role PM and he still had doubts about if they were town or not?

wut

I could go in several directions here, but I feel like letting that issue die from our end is wiser. You all can talk about it, but Xatres and I won't reference the role PM issue any further. We'll stay out of any such conversation from here forward. We feel that's the fairest way to handle our end of the discussion.

 

[Xastrn]

That's all for Green Xastrn tonight. I spent way too much time on this game today and I want sleeps.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So... FML is floundering. We're convinced he is the play for today.

No.

The timestamped conversation may be a bit cheap.

You mean something that some mods would modkill over and something only Hydra's can do because they contain two players that can talk with each other while being considered one, where as non hydras don't get the luxury.

Then yes.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So Orbo thought he saw them post their role PM and he still had doubts about if they were town or not?

wut

Gonna agree with this, kinda odd.

 

[Xastrn]

No.



You mean something that some mods would modkill over and something only Hydra's can do because they contain two players that can talk with each other while being considered one, where as non hydras don't get the luxury.

Then yes.

Mods would have to communicate that it wasn't allowed if they wanted to modkill for it.
You're not wrong that it's a luxury that only hydra's currently have. Perhaps a new rule is in order for games following this one. Let's wait until after this game is over and then open the conversation up to the dgames community at large to get a reaction. We shouldn't be demonized for playing within the rules, nor should FML be demonized for their part in the situation, since the assumption of an honest mistake should always be granted unless evidence is to the contrary. I look forward to the conversation and may very well stand in favor of a new standard rule.

We actually had a situation in a broom mafia game when people just started screencapping their role PMs with desktop and PC clock showing and everything. It ruined a game and spawned the rule that we all now play by.

Anywho, who's up for closing the conversation to either FML or Potassium at this point? Is there anyone else that has more evidence stacked against them?

 

[Kantrip]

We should keep the conversation open, we say how bad closing it was when we all tunneled your slot.

Is there anyone you would find more scummy if FML and I were town?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

What you actually said was that setting up TvS was our only hope of living, which, again, was horrible advice that would have resulted in two more days of mislynches and a scum victory.



.

never said this though.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

FML why did you separate with Xast if you thought they were town?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Mods would have to communicate that it wasn't allowed if they wanted to modkill for it.
You're not wrong that it's a luxury that only hydra's currently have.Perhaps a new rule is in order for games following this one. Let's wait until after this game is over and then open the conversation up to the dgames community at large to get a reaction. We shouldn't be demonized for playing within the rules, nor should FML be demonized for their part in the situation, since the assumption of an honest mistake should always be granted unless evidence is to the contrary. I look forward to the conversation and may very well stand in favor of a new standard rule.

We actually had a situation in a broom mafia game when people just started screencapping their role PMs with desktop and PC clock showing and everything. It ruined a game and spawned the rule that we all now play by.

That I would consider quoting the mod via pictures, I consider time stamps part of this.

Solo players can't bounce ideas or thoughts off another player so it's harder for them to use this to clear themselves because you're in the end still reading a persons intent. I'm ok with people posting notes, because that still maintains a player could be either alignment and you gotta read from it. A Chat log from a hydra is much different even more so when you essentially have an unofficial time stamp from the mod on you're role PM from the chat you posted since you removed it in the middle of a bunch of time stamps.There is a major difference with chat logs with a hydra and notes, with a hydra you're adding another element a solo player can't do which is bounce ideas off someone who is the same alignment as one slot. No solo player has that power in any way shape or form outside of a PR, you have something that when presented like how you did, pretty much got you're alignment out there by talking back and forth with you're role like you did in your hydra along with how it benefits town.

A Hydra is two people, you're reading not one but two people acting as one person.If you are revealed scum after this, I will say kudos for faking a two hour conversation between you two.

I may have demonized you, and I apologize for that. But this is something touchy I still get mad over ever since Bingo mafia where a 3 man hydra quoted a QT with them posting back and forth with each other and basically cleared their slots with constant chat logs.

I don't like it ever since that game, because it further shows why Hydras will always > solo players when used well.

Either way, this is distracting and I will keep this for end game. Let's drop it for now and get to other matters.

Anywho, who's up for closing the conversation to either FML or Potassium at this point? Is there anyone else that has more evidence stacked against them?

Ranmaru for one, someone players you consider town really don't like either.

I do not want F

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Derp posted early.

I do not want FML shot right now nor Kantrip. I do want Ran shot much more.

FML I think has some derp in there, Kantrip more hit or miss.

I gotta reread now, because I was sure you were gonna be scum in the end and that means I gotta look more at my nulls and town reads.

 

[Xastrn]

With all of that clearing us in your mind, how do you explain FML still thinking we were scum unless he's scum himself? This is pretty damning evidence. I think we have a guaranteed shot at hitting scum if we shoot him. I am willing to do a ranmaru read during N2 after the flip. I want the flip first.

The possibility of Potassium firing, even to kill (bus?) FML is scaring me. If anyone NOT Potassium can make the kill, I'd be much more comfortable. Whatever weapon FML is holding needs to land in town's hands, and I don't want Potassium to be the one that catches that weapon if he has it.

The Falchion, by the way, is a Lord's Sword. We were told so when we received it. Only Lord's can wield it. So I do not think scum will NK us to obtain it, or else they would have done it N1, and then funneled Raziek instead of the other way around. I may very well be mistaken, if they indeed had a piercing weapon of some sort that took out that hydra.

I'm still not sure what to make of the fact that we didn't get a weapon break after Night 1. I think that means someone was carrying a 2-shotter or some kind. Is there anything flavor-wise from FE that would fit this well. A double attack function or something? Didn't someone bring that up before someone else hand waved it as irrelevant?

Someone who knows flavor, help me out on this.

I'm guessing that there are no other Lords in the game, and that soup was meant to be able to hammer at will during the days. The other explanations are that perhaps there is a Lord in the scum team, which I mentioned above, or that there is another lord in town, or perhaps an indie who NEEDS the lord's sword. IDK.

Just some stuff to think about.

 

[Xastrn]

With all of that said, it's worth one last post to reiterate. The longer we wait at this point, the more time Potassium has to come with a way to shoot off the cuff and get a no-lynch. I'm wary of shooting ranmaru first for that reason. If you guys build a case on ran and Potassium says it's the will of whoever and shoots ran, and ran flips town, then we let FML live another day, mislynched another day, and we HAD a clear scum kill in our hands.

This is why I think the ran case HAS to be left to Day 3. I feel like it's anti-town to make a move on someone not named FML or Potassium right now. And I KNOW that that goes against what I said earlier in the game, particularly late Day 1 when we tried to slow things down and get more conversation going first. We're in a dangerous moment right now, and we need to take action before a shot goes off.

Kary, please kill FML asap. We'll roll with what is next when we get there.
Anyone else that has a kill option toDay, jump in and just do it. Having a weapon and being able to kill is what your weapon is for. Holding it means nothing. It's only value is being used to make a kill against scum. Ending the game with a weapon still in hand doesn't win extra points or anything.

This is your chance.

 

[Dabuz]

Xast, can you quote from your case what the damning evidence against FML is?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll sleep on this.

 

[Dabuz]

Read the whole thing and the one thing I need to see eludes me, where did FML say he saw the role pm and thinks you are town for that?

 

[Kantrip]

With all of that said, it's worth one last post to reiterate. The longer we wait at this point, the more time Potassium has to come with a way to shoot off the cuff and get a no-lynch. I'm wary of shooting ranmaru first for that reason. If you guys build a case on ran and Potassium says it's the will of whoever and shoots ran, and ran flips town, then we let FML live another day, mislynched another day, and we HAD a clear scum kill in our hands.

This is why I think the ran case HAS to be left to Day 3. I feel like it's anti-town to make a move on someone not named FML or Potassium right now. And I KNOW that that goes against what I said earlier in the game, particularly late Day 1 when we tried to slow things down and get more conversation going first. We're in a dangerous moment right now, and we need to take action before a shot goes off.

Kary, please kill FML asap. We'll roll with what is next when we get there.
Anyone else that has a kill option toDay, jump in and just do it. Having a weapon and being able to kill is what your weapon is for. Holding it means nothing. It's only value is being used to make a kill against scum. Ending the game with a weapon still in hand doesn't win extra points or anything.

This is your chance.

What the ****.

Stop this bull****. You are asking for a quick kill when you've made it clear you think "we have time."

Stop trying to rush the Day, your reasoning is absolute garbage

 

[Kantrip]

Xastrn is so dumb.

Doesn't want scum to be able to kill each other because they can pick up each other's weapons. Doesn't realize that would mean breaking one of their weapons to pick up another for no gain.

Uses this to justify rushing a quick kill.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

 

[Dabuz]

Read the whole thing and the one thing I need to see eludes me, where did FML say he saw the role pm and thinks you are town for that?

Going to sleep now, I have some things I want to say but need this answered first.

 

[Sokr]

Xastrn, Potassium's not about to quick shoot anyone. If he's scum like you think he is, then he wouldn't just quick shoot and get everyone on his as toMorrow. He's smarter than that. Stop trying to rush a kill without discussion and agreement about it. This is very anti-town and I know you don't feel pressured to try and appear town but at least try to help us out.

 

[Kantrip]

Xastrn why are you trying to get your biggest townread to shoot FML? What if he is town, you'll be killing off your biggest town read too!

Your strategies don't make a lick of sense as town

 

[Kantrip]

sorry, Zen's your biggest. Just a strong town read in Kary.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Ranmaru, talk to me baby. A lot of people want you dead. What're we gonna do about that?

 

[Death Mountain]

I don't know. I gave my reasoning for my reads. I defended myself to Zen, who hasn't even commented on my response when he said "Ran, later", nor has Kantrip even tried to comment on it either, nor has he answered my questions.

The whole town is just letting it go by. What can I do when the town isn't even willing to give me an ear.

Uh, if you got questions I can answer them.

 

[Death Mountain]

Also maybe you can talk to me about Ryu, Zen, and Dabuz. I know you had problems with Dabuz yesterday, so I'm wondering why you don't seem to say much about him today.

 

[Death Mountain]

I may have demonized you, and I apologize for that. But this is something touchy I still get mad over ever since Bingo mafia where a 3 man hydra quoted a QT with them posting back and forth with each other and basically cleared their slots with constant chat logs.

mfw... that might have been me/july/joey... D:

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

mfw... that might have been me/july/joey... D:

It was indeed.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Also maybe you can talk to me about Ryu, Zen, and Dabuz. I know you had problems with Dabuz yesterday, so I'm wondering why you don't seem to say much about him today.

So you want me to shoot dabuz?